User talk:Inferno986return

Hello, Inferno986return! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

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Default address parameters

Hello, and thank you so much for being so active and adding so much content!

Just a small pointer here: With the exception of the United Kingdom, listings do not include the name of the city, province, postal code or other default information. The reason why the UK is an exception is that postal codes there are not for entire cities or more, but actually help a traveller to find a place. That's not the case in countries like Italy. Please see Wikivoyage:Listings#Template parameters for reference, and let me know if you have any questions.

All the best,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:17, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

England Expedition

Hi, I notice you doing a lot of improvements to UK articles. Just wondering if you are aware of Wikivoyage:England Expedition. --Traveler100 (talk) 14:38, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Well done!

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	Adding geo co-ordinates to seemingly every page in the British Isles is a tedious and thankless task, but one you've thrown yourself into with gusto. So, by way of a small thank you and recognition for your hard work, I award you this Wikivoyage Barncompass. Excellent work, Inferno986return, keep it up! --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:31, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Thank you very much.

Inferno986return (talk) 15:26, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Dynamic maps on country and state articles

Hi there, I noticed you recently added {{mapframe}} to a number of country and state articles. We currently don't use those kinds of maps at the country/state/province level (or any region that has subregions) because we're still developing ways to make colour-coded regions on them. We also tend to avoid using the {{mapframe}} if there's already a static map on the page. There's more information on how we use {{mapframe}} at the Dynamic maps Expedition. I raised the issue at the Travellers Pub, so please feel free to jump in and comment there. Cheers -Shaundd (talk) 04:37, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

Fair enough, I wasn't completely aware of this. I will however continue to add GPS co-ordinates to the cities and other destinations of countries. As well as dynamic maps using {{mapframe}} for areas that lack colour-coded regional breakdowns. I do love dynamic maps a lot and do think that most of Wikivoyage should utilise them. Inferno986return (talk) 16:28, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

Administrator nomination

Hello Inferno986returns, given your extensive and ongoing contributions to Wikivoyage, would you consider becoming an administrator? This would give you extra tools to help improve the project. I hope you will consider it. Ground Zero (talk) 12:30, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

11 days later, I guess not, but a reply would probably be appreciated. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:52, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

I am kind of torn on it, but I do find it a honour. Inferno986return (talk) 12:52, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Wikivoyage:Wikivoyage edit-a-thon 2018

Hi, I noticed that you added the userbox indicating that you're participating in the edit-a-thon but I don't see your name in the participants table. Would you mind adding yourself and the pages you expanded to the table? Thanks. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 04:35, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

Done. Inferno986return (talk) 10:37, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

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Thank you very much. Inferno986return (talk) 02:05, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

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Dynamic maps discussion

Hi! Given your edit history, you would probably be interested in participating in a discussion that's been going on in the pub regarding the use of dynamic maps in region and country articles: Wikivoyage:Travellers' Pub#Duplicate maps. Best wishes, ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 09:39, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Tube stations for All London POI?

This may be of interest, It's from 2008, so you might want to search around to see if there's been an updated version?

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/london_underground_knowledge_sta#incoming-275411 ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 18:58, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

This is an interesting document that I was not aware of. I suppose to get an updated version there may need to be another Freedom of Information request if one hasn't been published via TfL directly. Inferno986return (talk) 20:59, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Yes. Sorry the one that I found is old. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 09:16, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

It's helpful, the fact it lists many notable landmarks and the nearest Tube stations alone can help us make better pages. It's a good find. :-) Inferno986return (talk) 15:26, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

London terminals redirects

Hi. Good idea to create redirects for the main London terminal stations. However, I was thinking that rather than redirect just to the relevant district article, they'd be more useful to redirect to the station's listing within that article. In order to do this, we'd have to use the listing template and make sure the Wikidata field was active. This idea is already in use with IATA redirects for airports without their own article (e.g. LCY). What say you? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 22:13, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

This has been a standard of mine for quite a while and I certainly find it helpful myself as it allows travellers to easily see where they will end up or go from. I have provided a list of most, if not all the stations that have been redirected on my profile. The only anomaly is London Bridge station as London Bridge goes to a disambiguation page. I'll make a start with London Paddington and go from there. Inferno986return (talk) 15:44, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

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Inadvertently adding Station Pictures to Next level Listings Mouse Overs

Inferno986return I like your advice Add a marker to an airport/train station/bus station on a page as it firstly shows where it is, on the map, and secondly it shows its picture. I like the idea so much that I have done this on at least 4 of the Hertfordshire pages! However I have noticed on the Hertfordshire Page for most of the listings, when you place your mouse over it, a picture of the railway station appears, rather that the essence of the town. I don't believe this second order effect was what you intended? I tried to fix it. I thought that it was the first wikidata entry on the page that is being picked up but that does not happen for Welwyn Garden City but does for Harpenden. Now I have run out of idea's other than removing the Wikidata=Q... which I don't want to do [as it will remove the picture]. Any advice would be appreciated. RobThinks (talk) 11:51, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello RobThinks, I don't think I know enough about how Wikivoyage itself prioritises images using Wikidata. I see what you mean when I work my way through the city listings. Perhaps the Wikidata image for the station takes presence when there's no wikidata picture for the article itself? Something to consider. Inferno986return (talk) 16:55, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Overground lines

Hi there :-)

I see you've replaced the Overground RINT with line-specific RINTs on the Hampstead page and possibly other pages, but wonder if TTCF wouldn't be better served the previous way? After all, the line names don't appear on the standard Tube map, on station or in-train signage, nor even on TfL's online timetables. This is partly because the named lines don't all match up with the actual train service (for instance Clapham Junction to Highbury & Islington uses track on the SLL, ELL and NLL). Personally, I hope for the day that TfL finally differentiate all those orange lines from each other in a coherent way, which each route having its own name and colour. But until they do, it would seem to be more traveller-friendly to stick to just generic Overground on Wikivoyage.

What do you think? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 14:40, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

I am following the lead on the Hammersmith & Fulham page for Shepherd's Bush station. I originally added the London Overground to RINT and used that. However, another user has added various London Overground lines. Looking them up on Wikipedia, there is a defined name and map for each line which is probably the only justification I can find for using them. There's got to be a way to simplify the London Overground for travellers and I am interested in ways of doing that, particularly when I find it confusing myself despite being a London resident.

Perhaps we should stick with the OGD template I made and explain the line used with the destination endpoints per London article? Maybe this needs a larger discussion with other users?

--Inferno986return (talk) 14:53, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

The Overground is just one of several messes making navigation more difficult that TfL have so far failed to address.

It's likely that I may have added line-specific RINTs too, and it just struck me today following your edit that that may not be the best approach. Which is the OGD template you made, is it the generic one? If so, then the 'Get in' section of each district article served by the Overground could simply state the service patterns that travellers can trace on the map (e.g. Richmond/Clapham Junction via Willesden to Stratford) rather than getting bogged down in the line names.

Typically, I find that discussions about local transport systems don't attract much interest on Wikivoyage, but if you think more voices might help clarify the best approach on Talk:London, I'm all for it.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 15:39, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Well we finally have dinguishing names and colouration for each line. While I am not a fan of them personally, at least it reduces the complexity of travelling on the London Overground: https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/london-overground/overground-line-naming Inferno986return (talk) 15:14, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

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dynamic map

hello, i'm a relatively new user, and recently discovered your dynamic map tips. i'd like to create map of my travels for my user page, but don't want to have the map displayed on that page, but rather have a link to the map. secondly, i'd like to add that map link to my banner toc. would you be able to explain how i could do this? if you'd rather not, i would understand... Gecktrek (talk) 23:58, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikivoyage and I am glad you are reading through my tips. 😀

I am not aware of a way to put an external link a map with markers, unless you use a third-party mapping service. Nor the ability to add that to your banner as banners are static images with a 7:1 aspect ratio. Inferno986return (talk) 12:43, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

sorry, i didn't explain it very well, i wanted to use toc on the banner to put a links in, rather than the section headers... also wanted to hide the {{marker|name= content from being displayed... Gecktrek (talk) 23:57, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

If you copy the template at the top you can use a banner on your user page. The links are generated automatically from using the heading markup which are equals signs (=). Does that make sense? Inferno986return (talk) 15:12, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

many thanks, have put a default banner in at the moment. understand what you mean with the section headers going into the banner toc, do you know if its possible, through css (?) to put links in the toc, instead of section headers? sorry for all the questions! Gecktrek (talk) 00:09, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

The {{pagebanner}} template is for section headings. I don't know how customisable it is.

You could do a link section below it. 🙂 Inferno986return (talk) 08:21, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

great idea, many thanks... btw, do you have to display a {{marker|name= entry on your user page for it to work on the map? can you have it somehow hidden, or not displayed? Gecktrek (talk) 19:57, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

To my understanding, yes. The map automatically uses the decimal co-ordinates to place a marker. If it's a simple one-line place then use {{marker}}, but for places which need a description use {{listing}}. Inferno986return (talk) 09:04, 22 May 2024 (UTC)