Wikivoyage talk:Canada Expedition

Updating the table

@Traveler100: how does one update the table? Is there a routine to be run, or does each cell have to be updated manually, which sounds tedious? Thanks Ground Zero (talk) 20:20, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Unfortunately it is a manual process. What I do is put the section in edit, right mouse click on the links of one row to get a tab of each query. Edit the numbers. Repeat for each row, then solve. Yes tedious, but have no better way to do it. --Traveler100 (talk) 20:37, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

City- and park-level articles are all usable or above

As noted on the page, all city- and park-level articles are all usable or above. I would appreciate assistance in keeping the Canada section of Wikivoyage one in which readers always find a usable article when they land on a destination page.

If there are any any articles that you feel have been raised to Usable status prematurely, please let me know which ones and what you think their shortcomings are. Thank you.

I would also appreciate help in raising the region articles to usable status. Ground Zero (talk) 20:25, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Nice job. --Traveler100 (talk) 21:07, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Take a look at WV:AS. It's worth noting how the number of usable status articles has increased over the last few months. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 22:27, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Indigenous people, Aboriginals, First Nations people, Natives, Indians, Inuit, Eskimoes and Metis

The terminology used to identify the Indigenous peoples in Canada has evolved over time, and will continue to change. Here is the preferred terminology today. The terminology is not, however, consistent: some Indigenous people and organizations will use other terms.

Indigenous peoples: this is the preferred umbrella term to describe the original peoples of North America and their descendants. This term has replaced "Aboriginal peoples" in current usage. The term "Amerindian" is an anthropological term that should not be used in a travel guide.

There are three groups that constitute the Indigenous peoples in Canada:

• First Nations: this is the preferred term that has replaced "Indians" and "Natives". "Indians" is still used in the legally defined term "Status Indians", which probably won't be used very much in a travel guide. "Native Americans" is a term used to describe Indigenous people in the United States, and is not used in Canada.
• Inuit (singular: Inuk): this term has replaced "Eskimoes", and refers to the Indigenous nation of the Arctic that is culturally, linguistically and historically distinct from the First Nations.
• Métis: a distinctive people of mixed ancestry (principally First Nations, French and Scottish) who developed their own customs, practices, traditions and recognizable group identities separate from their First Nations, Inuit and European ancestors.

Also, the term "reservation" is not used in Canada. "Reserve" is the legal term, but "First Nations community" is preferred by many people.

Ground Zero (talk) 00:48, 22 January 2020 (UTC), revised 23 September 2022.

I affirm what @Ground Zero said is accurate. Since this is a travel guide, "Indians" should be reserved for referring to people from India, not status Indians in Canada. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 03:49, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

All articles at usable level or above

As of 30 Jun 2020, all 914 articles are at usable level or above, including district, city, park, region, dive, and airport articles. 20 itinerary and 8 topic articles are at usable level. (Does anyone know how to add these to the status table?) I believe that Canada is the first country to have a completely usable guide in Wikivoyage. Happy Canada Day.

@MuzikMachine, Shaundd, TheTrolleyPole, Kevlar67: If there are any any articles that you feel have been raised to Usable status prematurely, please let me know which ones and what you think their shortcomings are. Thank you. Ground Zero (talk) 12:13, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

To my understanding that would give the Canada article potential to reach guide status as a country. It might already be but it’s definitely very close. It’s great to see the travel guide continue to include more and more freely licensed information for travelers. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 13:00, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

I think the qualification for "usable" means having one entry in most of see, do, buy, eat, drink and sleep. Articles for some villages (e.g. Maynooth, Washago) seem weak from a see/do point of view. However, the main flaws I find in many WikiVoyage articles are obsolete info (e.g. defunct establishments) and an incomplete listing of sights to see, flaws I have addressed in many of the Toronto-area articles. TheTrolleyPole (talk) 21:36, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

The truth is that some small communities just don't have that much to see or do, aside from going out to the highway to watch the trucks go by (which I haven't included). I think if an article covers everything there is to see or do, and has whatever the town has to offer for eat, buy, sleep, then it has to be usable. (Not every village has a hotel or a restaurant.) I have gone back and found some more items for Washago and Maynooth, but I'm scraping the bottom of the barrel. Oh, there's always going out to the dump to shoot rats, but that seems wv:obvious. If you find any others that are "weak", let me know and I'll see if I can come up with anything more. Ground Zero (talk) 00:17, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

St. Thomas (Ontario)#Sleep had no entries. So I added the Confort Inn after searching Booking.com. The Comfort Inn is about 3 KM from downtown St. Thomas. Is that OK to do in order to fill an empty Sleep section? TheTrolleyPole (talk) 22:05, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Yes, by all means. Information is not subject to copyright -- just dont copy descriptions word-for-word. I found another hotel a but further out. It seems that St. T just doesn't have much accommodation.

When I was upgrading articles to usable, I only looked at outline articles. I didn't check articles that were already classed as usable. That's probably something to keep an eye out for. Ground Zero (talk) 02:43, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Another option is to go to OpenStreetMap and find some hotels that are in the city, and then separate look up those hotels and add the details to the article. But no one owns the data in either case, so there shouldn't be any issues as long as you're copying data (such as check-in/check-out or phone number). Replying to Ground Zero, IMHO if there are no important POIs or things to do in a place, it may need reconsidering whether it is its own article. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 13:24, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Good points. WV:SLEEPTHERE discourages me from trying to merge articles. It is just a guideline, but once there is a motel or b&b in a place, it doesn't seem to be worth the fight to merge. Ground Zero (talk) 16:47, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ @Ground Zero, MuzikMachine, Shaundd, TheTrolleyPole, Kevlar67: sigh... and we have two outlines now. I'll try to do those in the upcoming few days. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 06:38, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

I've upgraded one to usable, now one more left. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 06:50, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Also, unusually, the first country to have completely usableguide articles in Wikivoyage is the Repubrikin Naoero (Nauru). (Naoero wono iduwen oroeò Kanada en: Although Nauru is significantly smaller than Canada though). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:49, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Banner

@Ground Zero, SelfieCity: I've cropped a banner as this is one of the few expeditions to not have one. But here it is. Is the Montmorency waterfall in Québec a good choice or, something like the Rocky Mountains or Niagara? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 06:36, 12 September 2021 (UTC)