Talk:Liechtenstein

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For future reference the Project:CIA World Factbook 2002 import can be found at Talk:Liechtenstein/CIA World Factbook 2002 import. (WT-en) Jpatokal 03:55, 13 Jul 2005 (EDT)

Liechtenstein, I'm pretty sure is a member of the EU

I'll check, but I'm pretty certain Liechtenstein is a member of the EC/EU. 143.232.116.172 21:41, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Liechtenstein is a member of the w:European Free Trade Association as opposed to the E.U. They also have a close economic union with Switzerland, which is not an E.U. member. A list of E.U. member states can be seen here.AHeneen (talk) 04:37, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Alternative banner for this article?

Banner currently used in this article

Suggested new alternative banner

I created a new alternative banner for this article (I initially created it first and foremost so that it would be used at the top of the parallel article in the Hebrew edition of Wikivoyage, yet I later decided to also suggest that the English Wikivoyage community would consider using it here as well). So, which banner do you prefer having at the top of this article? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 04:39, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

The old banner is a pretty poor one and the view you chose is quite brilliant, so this is a clear choice. If you could play a bit with contrast and lighting in some photo editor before you commit to a final version it would be just splendid - the image looks quite dark now and features are hard to make out. PrinceGloria (talk) 14:08, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Again, this is the best I could do with what I had available. I would definitely do a better job if I had the opportunity to photograph the site myself. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 14:10, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

The new banner is aesthetically a better choice. Danapit (talk) 15:07, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Where are our contributors with experience in photo editing? Hobbitschuster (talk) 15:15, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

I have extensive experience with Photoshop. The problem here is simply that the original photo is not a good one - and therefore I cannot magically produce something of higher quality from what we currently have (the data needed to do that does not exist in the source image). ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 15:18, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

I second what the OP said - I tried to fiddle with the image myself and the picture was taken in a way that does not allow much improvement, data on the areas appearing black was mostly lost. I find that the original photo is a good one, it just wasn't taken with the aim for this section to be used as a banner on its own. PrinceGloria (talk) 15:24, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

This is a clear choice. The current banner is nice, but the new banner is beautiful. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:02, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Current. The proposed has strange colors Syced (talk) 07:58, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Yes, opening up the proposed banner at full size shows the green colors in a really strange way. Keep origional, but I think we can find a better one. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 13:15, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Alternative banner for this article?

Banner currently used in this article

Suggested new alternative banner

I created a new alternative banner for this article (I initially created it first and foremost so that it would be used at the top of the parallel article in the Hebrew edition of Wikivoyage, yet I later decided to also suggest that the English Wikivoyage community would consider using it here as well). So, which banner do you prefer having at the top of this article? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 04:47, 23 September 2015 (UTC)t

The new one is better. The old one is fairly dark, and the composition of the new one is a good choice for Liechtenstein. JuliasTravels (talk) 13:11, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

@Andrewssi2: ; I think you were looking to weigh in on this section, instead the one above ;-) JuliasTravels (talk) 13:26, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Banners should be like artwork, and the second one is far better than the first - magical. – Hshook (talk) 14:00, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

New. Danapit (talk) 18:54, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

I agree. This is a more beautiful banner. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:59, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks JuliasTravels , the 'cookie cutter' approach to pushing these banners took me to the earlier discussion! --Andrewssi2 (talk) 02:37, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Agree the new banner is better, but I'm concerned that the last time the banner for this article was replaced with no clear consensus. Please establish clear consensus when replacing banners first ויקיג'אנקי --Andrewssi2 (talk) 02:39, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

New one. Syced (talk) 09:13, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Problems with the banner

The banner looks very nice, but the problem is that it shows Schloss Hohenschwangau which is in Germany and not in Liechtenstein. The previous banner shows Schloss Neuschwanstein which is also located in Germany. Until someone creates a new one, we should restore the banner from before August 2015. --Anonymous 18:04, 10 October 2016 (CET)

You are right! Suprised I didn't notice the old banner was of Neuschwanstein. Yes it should be changed to something specific to Liechtenstein. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 01:54, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

Holy Roman Empire

Hello Hobbitschuster, Liechtenstein is not more or less a "remnant of the HRR" than, say, Austria, Hamburg or Luxemburg. The HRR or the German Confederation have no "remnants" at least in a legal sense. By the way, I don't find it very kind of you to simply revert my edit with many modifications including the update on the stamp price. Ziko (talk) 12:03, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

Did I revert that? It is possible that there was an edit conflict on some part, because I don't see that. I also did not claim it was a remnant of the HRE, I think that claim was introduced by someone else. However, it is doubtful whether Liechtenstein was de jure an independent country during its HRE days (and later on when it was part of the German confederacy). Hobbitschuster (talk) 12:05, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

I am also not sure what a "postmark op Liechtenstein" (sic!) is and why one would want it in their passport. Due you mean an "entry stamp" or the likes? Hobbitschuster (talk) 12:09, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

Sorry! - Is it "postmark" (dict.cc advises that), or an "entry mark"? - According to de.Wikipedia, Liechtenstein is "independent" since 1806. Ziko (talk) 12:27, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

Well Liechtenstein certainly was something for the few years between the end of the HRE (1806) and the foundation of the German Confederation in the wake of the Congress of Vienna. It was before as it was afterwards a forgotten piece of real estate of a ruling family that did not even reside there and for practical purposes the first truly independent foreign policy move it made was after the First World War, when it decided to go under the Swiss instead of the Austrian umbrella. You could argue that as a member of the German Confederation it was just as much sovereign as a member of the EU is today (and the EU actually has more powers than the German Confederation had) but the HRE in the 18th century had roughly the same amount of jurisdiction and powers as the German Confederation. That said, those legalities are likely of no matter to visitors and the de facto independence is limited even today. Were Austria to invade, Liechtenstein would have to rely on Switzerland and/or the international community to stop them - not exactly a hallmark of a fully independent and sovereign state. I think what you are getting at with the "postmark" is that you can get your passport stamped. Back in the old days you'd get a stamp in your passport when crossing e.g. the border between Germany and Austria. But as Liechtenstein has no airport with flights outside the Schengen area and all its land borders are open, there is no legal need for such a stamp. Hence the possibility to buy it as a tourist souvenir. I'd say we either write "You can get your passport stamped" or "They sell an "entry stamp" for your passport as a souvenir". Hobbitschuster (talk) 13:33, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

Redlinking villages

I am not sure they can carry an article by themselves. Maybe redirect them to Rural Liechtenstein or some such? Hobbitschuster (talk) 12:58, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Dynamic Map

Should we have the official municipal boundaries shaded in different colors on the dynamic map? One warning: They are decidedly weird with an off the charts number of exclaves... Hobbitschuster (talk) 03:29, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Liechtenstein cuisine picture

Swept in from the pub

I uploaded a picture of Liechtenstein cuisine on Commons, showing bacon and cheese from Liechtenstein. Can I add it to the Liechtenstein page? The thing is, it was not actually taken in Liechtenstein, but in neighbouring Austria. JIP (talk) 10:53, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Is there any such thing as Liechtenstein cuisine, as distinct from Austrian or Swiss cuisine of neighboring regions? I see no description whatsoever of the style of local cuisine in Liechtenstein#Eat, so I'd say that's where you should start, not with a photo out of context. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:56, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Agreed. Looking at the section to which IK links, I'd say that it could do with some information about local cuisine, if applicable. Once that information exists, a picture would be useful for the reader. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 21:42, 15 November 2019 (UTC)