Talk:Lviv

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Jewish history[edit]

Till the Holocaust a third of Lwow's population was Jewish, a fact ignored in this article. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 79.181.228.152 (talkcontribs)

If you see something incorrect or wanting, please plunge forward and improve the article! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 11:52, 4 September 2008 (EDT)

BSDM Pub[edit]

There's an adorable BDSM-themed pub in Lviv near Pl. Rynok. I can't remember the name for the life of me, but it should be added. This template must be substituted.

We don't normally sign old comments, but whatever comments you sign with the unsigned template need to use {{subst:unsigned|}} and then the IP address or username. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 20:48, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

Time and date formats[edit]

Since the ugly, long winded and ambiguous 12 hour AM/PM format peculiar to the US is rarely seen in either the Western or Eastern parts of Ukraine, I would suggest we standardise on the shorter, more precise and less ambiguous 24 hour time format for all Ukrainian articles.

To use this standard format, here are some points to note:

Give times in the time zone local to Ukraine.

Always show two digits for the hour and two digits for minutes using a colon as the separator; eg: 09:00, not 09.00 nor 09-00 and not just 09 and never 09:0 or 9:00

Time ranges use a hyphen as the separator between the two times and are unspaced; eg: 09:00-17:30
Where an establishment does not close on a particular day or range of days, write 24h, not 00:00-24:00.
If the establishment doesn't close all week: 24/7

Choose to deviate from this standard, 24 hour format only to follow overwhelming local written usage. Ask yourself: "which format will visitors see in newspapers, on shop doors, and on train schedules?" If the answer is "a mixture", then use our standard 24 hour format.

Abbreviate to the minimum number of letters for clarity: M Tu W Th F Sa Su, especially in listings, but

  • spell out if it looks odd or ambiguous in a particular context or when it is part of a named day, eg: "Good Friday", "Fat Tuesday".
  • a range of days is shown with a hyphen: eg: M-Th specifies Monday and Tuesday and Wednesday and Thursday.
  • spaces should be left out, eg: M-F not M - F nor M thru F.
  • also include the dash for a pair of consecutive days, eg: Su-M not Su M.
  • for a list of days that are not in a range, separate the day abbreviations with slashes; eg: when a shop is open on Monday, Wednesday and Friday but closed on Tuesdays and Thursdays write M/W/F 08:30-17:30
  • when combining seasons, days or months with time, put the longer periods first. Seasons first, then months, then days and finally the times eg: Summer 18 May-13 Sep M-F 10:00-14:00.
  • when listing alternative date ranges (for example, seasonal opening hours) separate the alternatives with a semi-colon eg: Hall of Mirrors 3 May-8 Sep M-Sa 08:30-18:00; 9 Sep-2 May Th-Sa 10:30-16:00. Horror Maze May-Sep M-Sa 08:30-18:00; Oct-Feb F-Sa 10:30-13:00;
  • for all seven days, use Daily. Do not use "every day" or "Su-Sa". eg: Jun-Sep daily 08:30-11:00, 12:30-18:00


Use the date format of dd mmm yyyy, eg: 10 Jan 2003.

Abbreviate months to three letters: Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec, especially in listings, but

  • if it looks odd or ambiguous in a particular context, spell it out.
  • avoid using dates such as 10/1/03, 10-1-03 or 10/1/2003 as this can mean 10 Jan 2003 or 1 Oct 2003 to different people!
By default, years are numbered according to the Western Dionysian era (also referred to as the Common Era) and the year is assumed to be AD (or CE).
This means that in the phrase "Stalin died in 1953", it is unnecessary to write either "Stalin died in 1953AD" or "Stalin died in 1953CE".
For years earlier than 1(AD or CE), that year is followed by the two letters BC or the three letters BCE (written in upper case, unspaced, without periods or full stops.
To indicate approximately, use the un-italicised abbreviation c. " (followed by a non-breaking space) rather than circa, ca., or approx.
Eg: "The temple was built c. 700BC"
  • year or years to yr
  • month or months to mo
  • week or weeks to wk
  • hour or hours to h
  • minutes to min

especially in listings, but spell out if it looks odd or ambiguous in a particular context. —The preceding comment was added by 118.93nzp (talkcontribs) 23:25, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Can we make this less political (or more balanced)?[edit]

Phrases like "Germans, with the help of Ukrainian nationalists, killed most of the Jews" seem to me a bit too one-sided. For instance, some Ukrainians (including top nationalists) were helping to save Jews' lives. Should we mention this? I don't think so, because the article would then become too focused on politics. I think that instead we should just make the text more neutral and less emotional. P.S. I should note perhaps that I don't consider myself a nationalist and don't support this ideology. --Yury Bulka (talk) 17:41, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Please go ahead and add whatever you feel ought to be added. --ϒpsilon (talk) 17:54, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
"Germans, with the help of Ukrainian nationalists, killed most of the Jews" is not one-sided but objectively accurate. However, although the phrase does not state or imply that all Ukrainian nationalists were anti-Semites or pro-Nazi, which would make it one-sided and inaccurate, I can see your point, so let's substitute "collaborators", in place of "nationalists". On the substance, though, Ukrainian collaborators were notorious as major perpetrators of the Holocaust, not only in Ukraine but also as guards at numerous Nazi extermination camps - Treblinka, Sobibor, you name it. If you'd like to mention that some Ukrainians saved Jewish lives, that's also completely fine to state, because it's also true, and it needn't take up a lot of space; even a parenthetical statement such as "(though there were other Ukrainians who risked their lives to save Jews)" would be adequate and fair. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:16, 22 December 2015 (UTC)