Talk:Miami

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Hmmm, there's a lot of inline Wikipedia links in the Understand section. It would be nice if there was a sentence or two in the article if there's stuff people need to know, otherwise maybe add these as real Wikipedia links? (WT-en) Majnoona 20:03, 24 Jul 2004 (EDT)

Is Miami a huge city[edit]

Does Miami need to follow the Huge city article template? For example Miami Beach says it is now a city but was a suburb. There appear to be other localities or districts in the area too. -- (WT-en) Huttite 19:07, 7 Jan 2005 (EST)

Yes, Miami is a world city, and as of 2006, it's the 4th biggest Urban area in the U.S... It's huge.67.35.103.202 20:13, 23 August 2007 (EDT)
Well, more than a year later, I'm going to ask this again: Huge city? I think the asnwer is yes! Just look at the Buy section and how it mentions different districts as locations. I'm going to take a stab at a start and hope that someone who knows the area will follow up. (WT-en) Majnoona 13:14, 22 Feb 2006 (EST)
eh, now I wonder... should there just be a neighborhood description area instead? Is there really only one area where travellers/ tourists visit? (WT-en) Majnoona 13:16, 22 Feb 2006 (EST)

This has got to be the most poorly written wikivoyage entry. Did someone from Miami write this?

I see that someone has now created an article on "Little havana" (sic), which (poor capitalization aside) seems to be a first, halting step toward a Miami "district." The article nothing much, but maybe it can be an incentive to start a district structure that actually works. Anybody? I've moved that one to Miami/Little Havana; go forth and do likewise/better. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 09:11, 14 December 2006 (EST)
Over a year later, I still see this city as consisting of neighborhoods and not of huge districts that are of interest for the traveler. I feel like some of the districts could be deleted, if not all of them. (WT-en) THE evil fluffyface 10:12, 22 September 2007 (EDT)
Well, keep in mind the problem of making the article useful, and one of the components of that is making sure it's of manageable size. Yes, progress on giving Miami the treatment it deserves has been frustratingly slow, but I'm pretty sure that if all the attractions of this huge city were well treated, the resulting single article would be impractically large, and that's why districts are used. The entire point of districts as sub-pages under a huge-city article is to allow a sensible and comprehensive treatment of neighborhoods without the root article getting too large. The root article then includes language that points the reader at the right district to find the neighborhood. Not all district articles need to be treated at great length; if there aren't any museums, night clubs, etc., in a district, just say so. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 11:19, 22 September 2007 (EDT)
I agree wholeheartedly with Bill on this. It can initially be difficult to move things out to the proper districts (and then to patrol out everyone wanting to put listings to the city), but it ends up being much better for the reader by making it more readable, better organized, and a better overview of the area as a whole.(WT-en) OldPine 12:57, 22 September 2007 (EDT)

Don't know if it helps your problem much, but I edited the introduction to make a distinction between Miami and the Miami Metropolitan Area(Gold Coast or South FLorida). Could someone expand the article "Florida Gold Coast"????? (WT-en) AHeneen 18:07, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

I re-edited your contributions. The problem we have, common to all large cities, is that everyone wants their business listed in the city rather than in whatever suburb or city district they are really located. Some contributors also have the philosophy that suburban attractions should be covered in the big city article. It's not so much a misunderstanding of the metro area as it is these forces working, IMHO. (WT-en) OldPine 19:25, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

American Airlines jet photo[edit]

(If anyone just so happens to stumble on this page), Do we really need it? (WT-en) THE evil fluffyface 10:31, 1 August 2007 (EDT)

No, we don't. I'd say remove it from this article. I'm not sure it would be useful in any Wikivoyage article other than possibly Fundamentals of flying (to illustrate for the skeptical that these giant metal contraptions can, in fact, get off the ground). (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 10:40, 1 August 2007 (EDT)

Crime[edit]

Who wrote this??? It's batshit insane. Miami is one of the most dangerous places in America. The article is total bullshit, and needs to be changed. We don't want tourists coming here and getting killed because they were dumb enough to believe that "public transit is generally safe in Miami" or that "Downtown and Miami Beach are safe." Zip code 33130, for example, has a personal (murder, rape, assault, robbery) crime rate of 667. To give you a comparison, Compton California's worst section scores only 467. New York's Marcy Projects, in the Bedford Sty, score a 170. Even Detroit's worst is 561. The only places in the U.S. as dangerous as Miami, are Camden and East St. Louis. So, rethink that. And about public transit, the metrorail is not very safe, or clean for that matter. I've seen enough crap on there (litteraly and figuratively) to know that!67.35.103.202 20:13, 23 August 2007 (EDT)

I re-edited the Crime section because I felt that it was too long and I felt like it originally did put off tourists to Miami. This is a travel wiki, not Wikipedia. Please acquaint yourself with Wikivoyage's policies first and then, if you feel like you can re-edit the Crime section so as to not scare off people from Miami, feel free to do so. As for myself, I stayed in Miami three days and was not harmed in any way.
Oh, and you might want to slow down and check the spelling of your words in your rage. (WT-en) THE evil fluffyface 09:47, 25 August 2007 (EDT)

Test[edit]

This is a test for starting a discussion. /Fred

Congratulations, you succeeded. What would you like to talk about? (WT-en) Jpatokal 11:07, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

Talk[edit]

The writing in the talk section seems to be a bit condescending to the locals that don't speak English. What is the vibe towards non English speakers in Miami? Is this true, or can it be rewritten in a better tone? Thanks. --(WT-en) MarinaK 14:33, 13 June 2008 (EDT)MarinaK.

I think the talk section is great in that addresses the issue of non-English speakers. It is true that most (at least 80% or so) speak English even if it isn't their native tongue. Because of the large numbers of people who do not speak English, there is not a negative vibe towards them. Could you explain why you think it should be rewritten in a better tone? (WT-en) AHeneen 18:03, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

Images aren't working[edit]

Hi. Several of the images in the Miami article aren't appearing. I've tried to fix them- i.e put _ where there are spaces, but it doesn't work. Can someone please fix them? --(WT-en) MarinaK 14:43, 1 October 2008 (EDT)MarinaK.

This is a technical problem. See "Thumbnail shows up as gray box" at wts:Project:Travellers' pub -- (WT-en) Sergey kudryavtsev 15:22, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
Thanks Sergey. I've posted my problem over at Wikivoyage/Shared. --(WT-en) MarinaK 15:27, 6 October 2008 (EDT)MarinaK.

Deletion[edit]

Hi. I deleted the following review as the restaurant has now closed- *Wolfie Cohen’s Rascal House, 190 Collins Ave, +1 305 947-4581 [1] – Sun-Thu 6:30AM-1AM, Fri-Sat 6:30AM-2AM. Rascal House is now a thing of the past. Closed March 2008. Jewish deli food. A Miami institution since 1954, Wolfie’s used to serve the Rat Pack after performances. It’s still beloved today because of its retroactive vibe. $8-$30 per person, per meal. Thanks. --(WT-en) MarinaK 14:49, 6 October 2008 (EDT)MarinaK.

Districts and classification[edit]

I want to see if I can get some consensus on how to classify Miami Beach: should we consider it a part of Miami, since most travelers won't care about the legal distinction, or not? I submit to you the South Beach article, which is currently classified as Miami/South Beach. Yet Miami Beach and North Miami Beach are its own separate articles. So, I would propose that Miami Beach be classified as Miami/Miami Beach, or we change South Beach to Miami Beach/South.

In addition, Downtown Miami is also its own article, when it should probably be renamed to Miami/Downtown. (EDIT: OK I just did it, seeing as how someone else on the Downtown talk page asked the same question.) (WT-en) psychofish 09:59, 18 June 2010 (EDT)

I think they should obviously just be seen as Miami. To avoid confusion, I created Miami/North Beach and Miami/Mid Beach articles, but they can be changed if necessary. Now it's important we get a full and detailed district scheme worked out and get it in place. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 13:34, 19 June 2010 (EDT)
Hmm, many articles were already created elsewhere and this led to confusion. Pending this discussion, for now I have moved all the Miami Beach areas to Miami Beach, including the districts. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 03:45, 16 October 2011 (EDT)
I'm also not terribly sure whether we should merge Miami Beach and Miami. After looking at them for a long while, I'm a little tempted to leave them separate, but link the two heavily. --[[User:Peterfitzgerald|Peter]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Peterfitzgerald|Talk]]</sup></small> (talk) 20:52, 9 September 2012 (CEST)

Districts[edit]

Current districts scheme
Draft proposal
Second draft

OK, with the Migration saga, I haven't had a chance to do what I love to do in months—working on travel content! So here's a pleasant distraction for anyone else who feels the same way.

As you can see from the map to the right, The current districts scheme is a mess, with huge gaps in coverage, and a few articles that cover too small an area.

See my proposal below. I feel fairly confident that the eastern districts make sense, but I'm pretty uncertain about the western ones. I'm pretty sure Liberty City, Allapattah, that sort of western "tail", and Coral Way all have relatively little for travelers, but if we combined them all, that would probably be too big an area. (We could just do that and split them up later, though.) I just can't speak to those areas too well, since I personally have no experience with them, and the internet hasn't informed me much more.

In the proposal map, you can see I included Miami Beach districts, but as above, I don't feel certain about whether we should merge the two municipalities. --Peter Talk 20:52, 9 September 2012 (CEST)

For anyone interested, this is how my proposal (including Miami Beach) compares with other districts schemes:
City Total bytes Districts Population Land area Bytes/district
Miami 196468 15 .5 mil 143 km² 13091
That's actually a lower content to districts ratio than I'm comfortable with, and this is starting to look like too many districts. Combining Liberty City, Allapattah, and "I don't know what to call this" into a West Miami district, combining Coconut Grove and Coral Way into... Coconut Grove-Coral Way, and combining Design District, Little Haiti, and Upper East Side to North Miami would at least cut down the districts number to 11, and I think would still be pretty coherent. Part of the problem is the underdeveloped Mid Beach and North Beach articles, which I assume could hold a lot more content than they presently do.
Anyone from Florida around these days to comment? --Peter Talk 18:13, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
A pretty minor difference, but including Miami Beach brings the population to over .5 mil. Texugo (talk) 20:47, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
Good point, fixed. --Peter Talk 21:59, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

I have put up a second draft, combining the groups I mentioned above to reduce the number of articles, and I'm pretty happy with it, but we desperately need someone who knows Miami reasonably well to comment. Two issues stick out in my mind, with the first being a simple question: could we combine North Beach and Mid Beach into "Mid and North Beaches," or something like that, maybe with a better name? I think those are going to be pretty thin articles on their own (and right now, they're both basically empty, while South Beach looks pretty good).

The second question is really tricky, and it's what to do with the islands in the city of Miami: Pace Picnic Islands, western Venetian Islands, Watson Island, Port of Miami, and Virginia Key. The Pace Picnic Islands have beaches used by boaters and are closest to Midtown (but not accessible from it). the western Venetian Islands, Watson Island, and Port of Miami are all accessible by road from Downtown, so I guess we could put them there (despite obviously not being part of Downtown). Virginia Key is a terribly awkward problem. There is a park and beach there, and it's accessible by road from Coconut Grove very close to the boundary with Brickell. It's part of neither, but I guess it would be easiest to lump it in with Coconut Grove-Coral Way. So I guess the most confusing one is Pace Picnic Islands—unless someone else has an opinion (anyone? Bueller?), I'll just toss it in Midtown for lack of anywhere better to put it.

Here's the updated table, without combining North and Mid Beaches:

City Total bytes Districts Population Land area Bytes/district
Miami 199862 11 .5 mil 143 km² 18169

--Peter Talk 05:45, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

The first draft proposal I think is the best. Some suggestions: 1. I'd label the islands "Islands of Biscayne Bay" or similar; 2. Change Midtown to "Wynwood/Edgewater." This area is not called Midtown, that's a common misconception; 3. Differentiate the colours between Allapattah and Liberty City, and 4. The no name area should be called "West Flagler/Flagami" or just "West Flagler." I would also add in Coral Gables to this map. That in itself, especially, the Miracle Mile neighborhood is an area tourists like to visit, particularly for its historic architecture. Hope that helps.--Comayagua99 (talk) 02:22, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Yet another dead districts discussion. Hello? Anyone interested in Miami's districts? Any Floridans around? User:AHeneen? User:Mathew105601? Otherwise I suggest we add back the map of the current districts to the article. ϒpsilon (talk) 17:15, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
I am a Floridian, but my focus is on North Florida. Looking at the discussion my only input is to be careful not to create places, but cite what already exist. When you start talking about merging pages and content and subscribing new names for this content you are treading on creating a false account. Regardless of what some think of wiki, people do adhere to the ideas placed on these pages. I can't say that West Miami isn't a true designation, but would it be right by the communities that exist in that area to cite it as such; Would the population self identify? By creating these names you risk destroying the identity of an established community. Wikivoyager does differ from Wikipedia, since it is more as a travel tool than an encyclopedia, but names are still important. My advice is to tread lightly, but plunge forward.
In Jacksonville's case it has massive amorphous areas understood by the populace at large. There may be sub-communities in these areas, but the citing of larger areas is common and not destructive to the smaller identities within. It has a pretty well established second tier grouping system, which is partly due to its nature as a consolidated city. I can't say this for Miami. Mathew105601 (talk) 13:20, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
I've added the old map back as it reflects the current district division. The map was probably removed because a new district division was discussed. However the persons starting this discussion are probably gone for good and I know nothing about Miami so as for now there isn't going to be any change in the district structure. ϒpsilon (talk) 19:44, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
Not gone for good, just haven't been around WV lately (busy on other projects/tasks). I don't really have much to contribute. South Florida is in many ways like a foreign country. I've only been to Miami 3x (twice to depart then return from MIA, one afternoon for about 5-6 hours). I really don't know much about the city, especially not enough to work on districts. Sorry. AHeneen (talk) 06:57, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
I referred to Peter and Comayagua :). Anyway, I've returned the old map. ϒpsilon (talk) 10:14, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

If you are still looking for opinions, I have some. Coconut Grove is OK the way it is. There are several places people might want to visit there. The area called Coral Way should be unnamed. Nothing to see there. The place called Little Havana should be extended a few blocks south all along its length. Calle Ocho is not the boundary of Little Havana, it is its heart. The entire green area should be unnamed. Nothing to see there. The islands belong to the county, not the city, but they should all be called Key Biscayne. GroveGuy (talk) 09:04, 28 June 2014 (UTC) Eek! I'm all red. Is this Wikipedia? GroveGuy (talk) 09:04, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Needed info discussion for "Get in"?[edit]

As noted in article "South Florida", the Port of Miami is arguably the largest cruise port in the world. Though 90 or so percent of cruisers don't "get in" (instead, go on cruise round trips from there), a brief description (in this article) of the port layout, facilities, terminals, cruise lines, local lodging and parking, etc. might be quite helpful for "our" cruisers. Regrets, am not qualified to draft decent discussion. As an aside, such discussion might be recommended for all articles about major cities/cruise ports. Regards, Hennejohn (talk) 19:10, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

uber?[edit]

maybe a line about uber saying they are much quicker and cheaper... you know since we all know how reliable miami taxis are... —The preceding comment was added by 151.40.90.227 (talkcontribs)

We don't all know because some of us haven't been there (or haven't been there since 1969, in my case). I'd say sure, add a sentence to that effect. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:21, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
Um... idk how to edit articles :p anyways taxis need to be called (305-444-4444 is one of the numbers), they usually take 15 minutes IF there is a taxi in your area (there usually isn't) and 99% of the time do not accept credit cards. Uber usually takes between 1 and 5 minutes unless you're in the middle of nowhere, Ultra or Art Basel or some other thing is going on, or if the bridge is up. Lyft is faster than yellow cabs too but slower than Uber and slightly more expensive. Price wise, yellow cabs are way more expensive and won't accept credit cards even if they have the machine (will usually say that it is broken). If a yellow cab was $25 (plus tip so about $30), Uber would be $12 and Lyft $15/16. Also you can request an Uber at the airport and while it'll take 10-12 minutes because MIA is retarded, it's way faster than waiting in that crazy line for the taxis (can take over 30 minutes on a good day) and Miami will probably be way more humid and way more hot than wherever you're coming from so there's that. Taxi drivers at the airport will also try to rob you like everywhere else - I got one who told me it would be $45 from MIA to Brickell which is ridiculous.
also the districts need working on... Miami looks anorexic from what is currently there. Also I would recommend adding Key Biscayne and Coral Gables either in the districts or with a note like Miami Beach because while they are their own cities I think, they are usually associated with Miami. Also the university of Miami (largest private university in Florida I think) is in Coral Gables along with a number of shops, restaurants, landmarks, etc.
Space Miami is also not the best nightclub in Miami lol! There's about two inches of alcohol on the floor and too much ratchetness... LIV/Story/Mynt/E11even/etc. (there's a bunch of them I don't club that much anymore so idk) are way better nightclubs... the only good thing about Space is that it's open till 2pm I think if that's what you're into
Jamaican patois is also widely spoken so maybe add that? (not half as much as Spanish/Haitian creole/Brazilian Portuguese though.
Last thing: Art Basel needs to be added to the events thing (right under Ultra). It's extremely popular and people come from all around the world to show their art/see other people's art. —The preceding comment was added by 5.90.128.172 (talkcontribs)
You haven't been officially welcomed to Wikivoyage yet, so I'll send you a welcome message with links. But you do so know how to edit an article: This talk page is an article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:43, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

Consulates[edit]

I think this should be uncontroversial, but I moved listings for consulates in Miami here from the Florida article and moved listings for consulates in Coral Gables and Fort Lauderdale to those articles, leaving a summary and pointer. This is standard Wikivoyage style, and I think it's most useful for travelers. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:34, 18 January 2017 (UTC)