Talk:New York City

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Archiving

I have archived all discussions between 2012 and 2017 in the archive that can be accessed to the right. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 03:12, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

NYC airport code

"New York City (NYC  ^IATA for all airports) is well connected by air with flights from almost every corner of the world."

@AndreCarrotflower, The dog2: I'm one of those people who uses all-airports codes to search for flights into a city. Specifically, I use LON for my annual trip through and to London as I'm not that fussy about LHR or LGW, especially where there is a connecting flight involved. I haven't been to New York City for a long time, so I don't know whete the best deals are. If use the NYC code to start my search, so I don't agree that it is "a triviality of very limited practical usefulness". Ground Zero (talk) 10:06, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

I wasn't the one who removed it but I will say I do see your perspective. Similarly, from Singapore, you can use TYO to search for flights to Tokyo if you are not fussy about which airport you're flying into, which is useful since Japan Airlines, ANA and Singapore Airlines all fly into both HND and NRT. The dog2 (talk) 13:17, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

I also search for flights to and from "New York City area airports", because while in theory, LaGuardia is probably the most convenient for me, followed by JFK, if the price is significantly cheaper to and/or from Newark, I will go there. Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:14, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Oops, sorry... I saw the edit and already undid it with a comment before I noticed this discussion. However, it sounds like several of us are arguing in favor of keeping it. --Bigpeteb (talk) 16:21, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

DotM

Sometime in the future (right now we have quite a few US articles nominated) it would be cool to see New York City, one of the world's most iconic cities and I think largest where English is the majority language, as DotM. The article is at guide status, has a lot of information (some sections like Get in By bus are long, but again, useful to many readers), but things like prices need to be updated.

Districts and subdistricts are for the most part at least in a decent shape, some could use more listings to bring them up to usable status (e.g. Queens/Forest Park needs one Sleep listing), and there are listings here and there without coordinates. --Ypsilon (talk) 19:20, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Given how New York has been harder hit by the coronavirus than other parts of the U.S., even more businesses are likely to close than in other parts of the country, and substantial work would be required before listings are updated enough to feature the article. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 19:22, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Yes, we should check the listings (even if there would've been no corona pandemic it'd be useful to do). There's plenty of time to do that, because the article wouldn't go on the Main Page before summer or fall 2021 at earliest even if it was nominated today. --Ypsilon (talk) 19:53, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Oh yes, it's definitely a great nomination. I think we'll be able to do it, but it's just a concern that is reflected to various extents around the world. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 20:48, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

I'd love to see my city featured, but I don't think we should even nominate it until the pandemic is over to the extent that the concert halls, bars, clubs, museums and art galleries have reopened and we have a clear idea of which ones still exist. Just yesterday, I found out that Gem Spa, a fixture on St Marks Place for 90 years, will close permanently, and Shetler Studios, a couple of renowned rehearsal studio buildings among people in the performing arts, is also closing its doors. There will be much more upheaval. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:29, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Reversion - No subway on Staten Island

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Please do not fully revert. I want there to be a mention that in Staten Island there is no subway system. So please revert that edit. Thanks. 2600:387:5:805:0:0:0:6A 21:01, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

The problem with your first edit is that it's the wrong place to describe such detail. There is a "Get around" section above that which is 20 screens long; info about the city's transportation systems belongs there. The only reason transportation is discussed in that paragraph under "See" is that it dovetails a bit with other advice about a tourist should plan their day. Arguably, it could be removed, too, as "See" isn't the right section to discuss rush hour or how best to cross Midtown.

Your second edit is no better, because it just bloats the article. This is a long article that's chock-full of information, and other people have worked hard to keep it trimmed out unnecessary details.

In both cases, there's no need to emphasize the difference between the NYCS and the SIR. The traveller comes first, and from a traveller's point of view, the distinction isn't important. Both are run by MTA, the SIR is included on the subway map, the fare is the same, and you can get transfer fares between them. --Bigpeteb (talk) 21:34, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

I noted the difference at the top of the By subway section before I saw this discussion. The traveller doesn't benefit from falsely believing the subway serves the whole city, especially since, at least judging by maps, the four boroughs are extremely well-covered by subway, with barely a neighbourhood missed, whereas Staten Island has just one line that runs along its edge. This article also treats the SIR as separate to the subway, which it is, because you can't catch a train from the island to anywhere else in New York. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 21:42, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

@Bigpeteb: @ThunderingTyphoons!: Exactly. The traveler comes first. Anyone visiting Staten Island will want to know that they can’t directly take a train to Midtown. Please mingle it in somehow. I also don’t consider 83 bytes bloating. 2600:387:5:805:0:0:0:6A 22:21, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

As a FINAL side note, as they said, most NYC stuff is closed. So temporarily no one is traveling there. 2600:387:5:805:0:0:0:6A 23:08, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

As said, I put it in.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 23:10, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Template:Resolved

Thanks. I guess. 2600:387:5:805:0:0:0:6A 23:38, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Meh... The additions ThunderingTyphoons! made are fine; they at least fit better with the rest of the content. Whether it was necessary in the first place, I'm still not sure it was. Anyone who can read a map can see that Staten Island isn't as well covered. (Doesn't the fact that you cited the map to illustrate this point prove that the text wasn't necessary?) Anyone who can read a map or who reads Staten Island#Get in or #Get around will know that you can't get to or from Staten Island by train, and that the subway doesn't cover Staten Island. And anyone who has a particular destination to reach will simply type it into Google Maps and follow its directions, regardless of whether it takes them on the subway, SIR, bus, or ferry.

But hey, if it helps clarify something that nobody was really confused about in the first place, what's another 123 bytes between friends, eh? --Bigpeteb (talk) 00:11, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Interstate 80

Interstate 80 is a major urban freeway in the west, going through major cities like San Francisco, Oakland, Sacramento(for California, all within 80 miles(130 km)of each other), Reno, NV and Omaha, NE, as well as minor cities like Cheyenne, WY and Salt Lake City, UT. But after Interstate 29, it is not so much a big freeway. It does go through Des Moines, IA(Interstate 35)but even then, that has 200,000 residents. It passes within ten miles or sixteen kilometers of Chicago, IL, Cleavland, OH and New York, NY. But unlike the others, I-80(a)doesn’t enter New York State and (b)is close in the manner that it almost makes it. It does go through South Bend, IN, but that is irrelevant. What is relevant is the fact that it goes close enough to NYC that a ton of people are taking I-80 into the city. I don’t want to directly participate, however, I will link this. for reference, if anyone cares, this is the enwiki article on Interstate 80. If this is the case then

1. Interstate 59 shouldn’t be in Chattenoga, as it ends in Willwood, GA and
2. Interstate 88 shouldn’t be in Albany, of Binghamton.

Thanks. 2600:387:5:80D:0:0:0:49 23:30, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

One thing to consider is the percentage of visitors to those other cities who arrive by car, as opposed to visitors to New York City. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:56, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

@Anonymous: If you "don't want to directly participate", then why don't you start taking that 7 month wiki break you said you were about to take? Otherwise, engaging in these discussions is participating, and if you're going to participate, you need to listen to what we're saying instead of repeating the same argument we've already been through with you on other articles.

In the case of this article, "Get in - By car" already explains which bridges travellers can use to get into NYC. We're not going to bloat this article and belabor the explanation by listing the myriad Interstates and US highways that connect NYC to dozens of large cities and hundreds or thousands of small ones. We leave it to the reader to figure out which of the many possible routes they should use to reach those bridges and tunnels, which they can do with something called a "map". --Bigpeteb (talk) 02:17, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

The closest thing to an Interstate 80 article is the [[Lincoln Highway]] article as it is/was the first transcontinental highway, predating the U.S. highway system of 1926 (US Hwy 30, 40 and 50), from New York to San Francisco, Interstates 80 & 76 were eventually built alongside the old Lincoln Highway (US Hwy 30 & 50) from Philadelphia to San Francisco. In fact, Interstate 80 replaced the old Lincoln Highway across Nebraska and Wyoming. Check it out, make some edits to make it better if you fee so inclined. In New York, the old Lincoln Highway begins and ends on 42nd St & Broadway in Times Square. Anyone150 (talk) 17:29, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Through streets

Re: this edit: Signs often abbreviate things, so I would use "through streets", but if the point is to look for signs, where is there a "Thru Street" sign? Best to be specific; otherwise, it doesn't matter what spelling the Department of Transportation uses. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:14, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Monkeypox

I get why in this edit, the mention of monkeypox was removed from a caution box about COVID, I suppose, but now, there is no mention of the monkeypox state of emergency in New York, and that ill serves travelers, right? So shall we restore it? A penny for your thoughts, JRHorse. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:50, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

I don't think it belongs in a COVID box simply because Monkeypox is not related to COVID. Regardless, monkeypox has been declared a public health emergency by the WHO and the United States (among other countries I'm sure), so perhaps there would be a better place to mention monkeypox on the wiki. Maybe on its own page, or in a separate caution box on the national level. JRHorse (talk) 12:44, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

There should be a mention on this page, regardless of where else we put one. There's more monkeypox in New York than elsewhere in the U.S. As usual, New York-area airports were the primary ports of entry. So where do you want to put the notice, and why not as part of a COVID-and-monkeypox caution box? Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:01, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Really the only concern I had, once again, is that monkeypox and COVID are two different things. I plunged ahead with a separate caution box about monkeypox, with some data from an NBC news article from a few days ago and a link to the NYC DOH page about it. JRHorse (talk) 17:54, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for taking care of this. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:58, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

You're welcome. What are your thoughts about possibly adding this to other areas where it might be needed? JRHorse (talk) 17:59, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Added a box to United States. JRHorse (talk) 19:00, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Appreciated. I don't know where else one should be added. I think it's been declared an emergency in a few U.S. states, so it would make sense to add caution boxes there. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:40, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

Added to Illinois, Chicago, California, Los Angeles, San Francisco. JRHorse (talk) 00:07, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

JFK taxi tout warningbox

Shouldn't that be in the JFK article, with a very brief summary here to "avoid taxi touts who offer you rides at airports without being asked"? Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:51, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Actually, it is in that article, so it shouldn't be copied here. I will summarize. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:57, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Edit war on New York's climate

Can we please have consensus about this? With global warming and its local version here, all bets are off, but in general, I don't think many people would find fall in New York "warm" beyond September, and "subtropical" is generally a term used for Florida, not for a city that had a 7-degree Christmas. Nor is March mild - it can be, or it can be cold. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:47, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Any comments? It's ludicrous and highly misleading to call New York's climate "subtropical" in a travel guide and call New York's falls "warm," when that's true of Havana. Sure, it's going in that direction, but are we going to call Greenland subtropical in the future or just recognize that the world in general is getting hotter? Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:52, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Even though the "subtropical" reference is technically correct as an encyclopedic term, since most people aren't here for that, I agree it doesn't work as a conversational adjective to describe New York's climate. But if we're looking for an adjective, "humid continental" wouldn't be my first choice either.

I've personally never found the technical climate descriptions too helpful. Since our goal isn't to classify the climate (like Köppen does), but rather to give people a sense of what to expect, we probably have some leeway to be very conversational here. Maybe it would be on-tone to explain the climate with reference to other recognizable cities, even if it isn't perfect.

Maybe something like this for example (season descriptions are just copied from the current version, and comparisons are based on my gut feeling):

New York City experiences all four seasons, with hot and humid summers (Jun-Sept), warm and dry autumns (Sept-Dec), cool, wet winters (Dec-Mar), and mild, wet springs (Mar-Jun). Average highs for January are around 38°F (3°C) and average highs for July are about 84°F (29°C). Compared to Buffalo, January here can feel more like Paris, but July feels more like Lisbon. Snow can fall between late November and early April, but typically melts within a few days. Tropical storms some years can bring truly torrential rains in the late summer and early fall.

Gregsmi11 (talk) 15:02, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

I agree that meteorological classifications are not useful in a travel guide. They are appropriate for Wikipedia. We should use plain language. I don't think that "subtropical" is a useful description for travellers to NYC. Ground Zero (talk) 16:28, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

I don't agree that it's warm from October to December, nor that it's particularly dry. I would say we have hot, humid summers that start anywhere from the second half of May to late June (we've even had some chilly Junes, though that's unusual) and last till early to late September. Octobers are now generally mild. November is typically characterized by wind and rain, but that is not a guarantee. Winter is from late November or December till early to mid-March, though snowstorms can occur as late as the second week in April. Decembers used to be cold but can be mild to very frigid (as low as around 0 F, with some days having highs in the single digits), and that's really true of the entire winter now. March and especially April are known for thunderstorms but can also be very nice. This is all based on my lived experience, not figures, but it's really misleading to call fall "warm," when you can experience cold rain with driving wind in late October or November. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:59, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

I wasn't willing to let this drop, so I made these edits. Do I have agreement on them, or would you like to change anything? Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:17, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Cope#Language

Why is there a Language section under Cope as well as a Talk section? Maybe we should merge the former into the latter. 212.102.51.250 20:48, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Good point. I've combined them. —Granger (talk · contribs) 21:25, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Update on restrooms

The article currently says "Public restrooms are few and far between in New York City, and it got worse when the subway system closed their restrooms during the pandemic." It appears the subway restrooms have reopened – is it still true that they're few and far between? How should this sentence be updated to accurately reflect the current state of affairs? —Granger (talk · contribs) 21:33, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes, it's still very true. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:52, 18 January 2024 (UTC)