Talk:New York City

From Wikivoyage
(Redirected from Talk:New York (city))
Jump to navigation Jump to search

Archived discussions

Archiving[edit]

I have archived all discussions between 2012 and 2017 in the archive that can be accessed to the right. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 03:12, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

NYC airport code[edit]

"New York City (NYC IATA for all airports) is well connected by air with flights from almost every corner of the world."

@AndreCarrotflower, The dog2: I'm one of those people who uses all-airports codes to search for flights into a city. Specifically, I use LON for my annual trip through and to London as I'm not that fussy about LHR or LGW, especially where there is a connecting flight involved. I haven't been to New York City for a long time, so I don't know whete the best deals are. If use the NYC code to start my search, so I don't agree that it is "a triviality of very limited practical usefulness". Ground Zero (talk) 10:06, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

I wasn't the one who removed it but I will say I do see your perspective. Similarly, from Singapore, you can use TYO to search for flights to Tokyo if you are not fussy about which airport you're flying into, which is useful since Japan Airlines, ANA and Singapore Airlines all fly into both HND and NRT. The dog2 (talk) 13:17, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
I also search for flights to and from "New York City area airports", because while in theory, LaGuardia is probably the most convenient for me, followed by JFK, if the price is significantly cheaper to and/or from Newark, I will go there. Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:14, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
Oops, sorry... I saw the edit and already undid it with a comment before I noticed this discussion. However, it sounds like several of us are arguing in favor of keeping it. --Bigpeteb (talk) 16:21, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

DotM[edit]

Sometime in the future (right now we have quite a few US articles nominated) it would be cool to see New York City, one of the world's most iconic cities and I think largest where English is the majority language, as DotM. The article is at guide status, has a lot of information (some sections like Get in By bus are long, but again, useful to many readers), but things like prices need to be updated.

Districts and subdistricts are for the most part at least in a decent shape, some could use more listings to bring them up to usable status (e.g. Queens/Forest Park needs one Sleep listing), and there are listings here and there without coordinates. --Ypsilon (talk) 19:20, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Given how New York has been harder hit by the coronavirus than other parts of the U.S., even more businesses are likely to close than in other parts of the country, and substantial work would be required before listings are updated enough to feature the article. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 19:22, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
Yes, we should check the listings (even if there would've been no corona pandemic it'd be useful to do). There's plenty of time to do that, because the article wouldn't go on the Main Page before summer or fall 2021 at earliest even if it was nominated today. --Ypsilon (talk) 19:53, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
Oh yes, it's definitely a great nomination. I think we'll be able to do it, but it's just a concern that is reflected to various extents around the world. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 20:48, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
I'd love to see my city featured, but I don't think we should even nominate it until the pandemic is over to the extent that the concert halls, bars, clubs, museums and art galleries have reopened and we have a clear idea of which ones still exist. Just yesterday, I found out that Gem Spa, a fixture on St Marks Place for 90 years, will close permanently, and Shetler Studios, a couple of renowned rehearsal studio buildings among people in the performing arts, is also closing its doors. There will be much more upheaval. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:29, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Reversion - No subway on Staten Island[edit]

Swept from User talk:Bigpeteb

Please do not fully revert. I want there to be a mention that in Staten Island there is no subway system. So please revert that edit. Thanks. 2600:387:5:805:0:0:0:6A 21:01, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

The problem with your first edit is that it's the wrong place to describe such detail. There is a "Get around" section above that which is 20 screens long; info about the city's transportation systems belongs there. The only reason transportation is discussed in that paragraph under "See" is that it dovetails a bit with other advice about a tourist should plan their day. Arguably, it could be removed, too, as "See" isn't the right section to discuss rush hour or how best to cross Midtown.
Your second edit is no better, because it just bloats the article. This is a long article that's chock-full of information, and other people have worked hard to keep it trimmed out unnecessary details.
In both cases, there's no need to emphasize the difference between the NYCS and the SIR. The traveller comes first, and from a traveller's point of view, the distinction isn't important. Both are run by MTA, the SIR is included on the subway map, the fare is the same, and you can get transfer fares between them. --Bigpeteb (talk) 21:34, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
I noted the difference at the top of the By subway section before I saw this discussion. The traveller doesn't benefit from falsely believing the subway serves the whole city, especially since, at least judging by maps, the four boroughs are extremely well-covered by subway, with barely a neighbourhood missed, whereas Staten Island has just one line that runs along its edge. This article also treats the SIR as separate to the subway, which it is, because you can't catch a train from the island to anywhere else in New York. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 21:42, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
@Bigpeteb: @ThunderingTyphoons!: Exactly. The traveler comes first. Anyone visiting Staten Island will want to know that they can’t directly take a train to Midtown. Please mingle it in somehow. I also don’t consider 83 bytes bloating. 2600:387:5:805:0:0:0:6A 22:21, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
As a FINAL side note, as they said, most NYC stuff is closed. So temporarily no one is traveling there. 2600:387:5:805:0:0:0:6A 23:08, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
As said, I put it in.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 23:10, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
Template:Resolved
Thanks. I guess. 2600:387:5:805:0:0:0:6A 23:38, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
Meh... The additions ThunderingTyphoons! made are fine; they at least fit better with the rest of the content. Whether it was necessary in the first place, I'm still not sure it was. Anyone who can read a map can see that Staten Island isn't as well covered. (Doesn't the fact that you cited the map to illustrate this point prove that the text wasn't necessary?) Anyone who can read a map or who reads Staten Island#Get in or #Get around will know that you can't get to or from Staten Island by train, and that the subway doesn't cover Staten Island. And anyone who has a particular destination to reach will simply type it into Google Maps and follow its directions, regardless of whether it takes them on the subway, SIR, bus, or ferry.
But hey, if it helps clarify something that nobody was really confused about in the first place, what's another 123 bytes between friends, eh? --Bigpeteb (talk) 00:11, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Interstate 80[edit]

Interstate 80 is a major urban freeway in the west, going through major cities like San Francisco, Oakland, Sacramento(for California, all within 80 miles(130 km)of each other), Reno, NV and Omaha, NE, as well as minor cities like Cheyenne, WY and Salt Lake City, UT. But after Interstate 29, it is not so much a big freeway. It does go through Des Moines, IA(Interstate 35)but even then, that has 200,000 residents. It passes within ten miles or sixteen kilometers of Chicago, IL, Cleavland, OH and New York, NY. But unlike the others, I-80(a)doesn’t enter New York State and (b)is close in the manner that it almost makes it. It does go through South Bend, IN, but that is irrelevant. What is relevant is the fact that it goes close enough to NYC that a ton of people are taking I-80 into the city. I don’t want to directly participate, however, I will link this. for reference, if anyone cares, this is the enwiki article on Interstate 80. If this is the case then

  1. Interstate 59 shouldn’t be in Chattenoga, as it ends in Willwood, GA and
  2. Interstate 88 shouldn’t be in Albany, of Binghamton.

Thanks. 2600:387:5:80D:0:0:0:49 23:30, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

One thing to consider is the percentage of visitors to those other cities who arrive by car, as opposed to visitors to New York City. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:56, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
@Anonymous: If you "don't want to directly participate", then why don't you start taking that 7 month wiki break you said you were about to take? Otherwise, engaging in these discussions is participating, and if you're going to participate, you need to listen to what we're saying instead of repeating the same argument we've already been through with you on other articles.
In the case of this article, "Get in - By car" already explains which bridges travellers can use to get into NYC. We're not going to bloat this article and belabor the explanation by listing the myriad Interstates and US highways that connect NYC to dozens of large cities and hundreds or thousands of small ones. We leave it to the reader to figure out which of the many possible routes they should use to reach those bridges and tunnels, which they can do with something called a "map". --Bigpeteb (talk) 02:17, 4 July 2020 (UTC)