Talk:South South Nigeria

Split?

This region has been getting more city articles (now more than 20), and I see that User:Atibrarian has created an article for Edo State. Do we think it's time to split this into subregion articles, possibly along state boundaries? Or should Edo State be merged here for now? —Granger (talk · contribs) 15:32, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Hmm, I wonder if some of these city articles may need to be rethought, though. It looks like Oredo and Benin City have some overlap. Is Oredo part of Benin City? I don't know much about Nigeria so I don't know how best to organize these articles, but we should avoid overlap between two city articles per Wikivoyage:Geographical hierarchy#Overlap. —Granger (talk · contribs) 16:00, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Granger, Oredo Is one of the 18th Local Government Area of Edo State, while Benin City is the administrative headquarters of Oredo Local Government. Atibrarian (talk) 17:38, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

@Atibrarian: Thanks. So Benin City is part of Oredo – is that correct? Or does Oredo include just part of Benin City?

Relatedly, is Oredo a distinct destination from a traveller's perspective, or is it just a legal administrative division? We should organize the articles in a way that's useful to people travelling to this area, which might or might not be the same as the legal administrative boundaries. —Granger (talk · contribs) 17:57, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi. Benin City and Oredo both have standalone Wikipedia pages, that been said, Benin City is the capital city of Edo state, while Oredo is a Local Govt area (A district) in Benin City. There are a couple of Local Govt under Benin, which makes Benin City the mother city and Oredo the children, more like Nigeria and the different states in Nigeria B.Korlah (talk) 20:02, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

My suggestion is to probably make each state have its own article, similar to what we did in South West Nigeria six months ago. Would that work? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 20:25, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

@B.Korlah: Thanks for clarifying. In that case it sounds to me like we should probably merge the Oredo article into Benin City. Wikipedia often has separate articles for individual districts and neighborhoods of cities, but here on Wikivoyage we usually just have one article for each city. The exception is when the city is so huge that there's too much information to cover in one article, in which case we split it into district articles (see London and Johannesburg for examples). We might need to do that for Benin City someday, but right now the article is still pretty short, so we can probably cover all the information about Benin City in one article for now.

@SHB2000: Makes sense to me, but let's resolve the concern about the cities first. It's not clear to me how many city articles this region will have once we've made sure there's no overlap. —Granger (talk · contribs) 20:34, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Yeah sure. Was just my thought on how to divide this page up. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 20:35, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

@Mx. Granger

@SHB2000. It’s clear now, I think I understand you both, we can merge the two together sometime in the future, that’s fine. B.Korlah (talk) 20:40, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

@Mx. Granger Quick one, if you are merging, does that mean that the Oredo article would be deleted with just some info from it added to Benin City. Kindly clarify B.Korlah (talk) 20:42, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

@B.Korlah: It means the information from the Oredo article would be added to the Benin City article, and the Oredo article would become a redirect. —Granger (talk · contribs) 20:46, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

No, it won't be deleted (we also have a policy of not deleting real places too), but it would rather be redirected. All the travel info would then be moved to Benin City. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 20:46, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the information, cause I wouldn’t like if the article becomes deleted cause a lot of work was put in. Anyway, thank you guys, Wikivoyage admins seem very nice🤗 B.Korlah (talk) 20:49, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Granger to answer your questions. 1. Is Benin City part of Oredo? The answer is YES! 2. Like the London case, the Benin City is becoming more of such. However, there is a distinction in terms of administration (with the neighbouring town/city). Due to expansion and development, neighbouring towns are using the popularity of Benin to their advantage(attract development). 3. Oredo is a legal administration district within Edo State while Benin is the administrative headquarter of Oredo. I hope I am making sense? As noted by User:SHB2000 it will be better to allow South-South Nigerian states to have their articles. Atibrarian (talk) 06:24, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

I'd say go ahead and start state articles. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:58, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

@Atibrarian I've added mapshapes to the map, so all the states are highlighted now + added a regionlist. Have I missed any states? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:46, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Nice move! No state was left out. Thanks for your efforts and others contributing for clarity purposes.

With time, i am sure to learn more about Wikivoyage and content contributions.

Kind regards. Atibrarian (talk) 11:01, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

No worries! It's always enjoyable editing on this site :) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:07, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

I see that all the listings in the Oredo article seem to be located in Benin City. Based on that and from this discussion I have the impression that Oredo should be merged to Benin City, so that the information currently in the Oredo article would be covered in the Benin City article. Atibrarian, does that sound reasonable to you? —Granger (talk · contribs) 13:02, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Yes, going by the aforementioned, I think it can be merged B.Korlah (talk) 18:39, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

OK. I have merged Oredo into the Benin City article. The pace at which you guys are creating new articles is great! The formatting issues are smaller and can be resolved along the way. For example, phone numbers should start with +234 as in +234 XXX YYY-YYYY because international travelers use this site and need to know the country code before calling.

Another thing that we should consider is what cities in Nigeria are "huge cities." These are cities that are divided into district articles, such as London which was mentioned in this discussion. Lagos, being one of the world's largest cities, is obviously a huge city and you can see how it has districts. The business listings in that article are all being moved to the districts. As the last census was in 2006 (it seems) and the population of Nigeria has grown a lot since then, I don't know whether population sizes of major cities are accurate.

I'm planning to start a static map (Wikivoyage-style) for the country of Nigeria as a whole, which should be easier to read than the current map. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 14:13, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

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