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Votes for Deletion

This page lists articles, files and templates that are nominated for deletion. Any Wikivoyager can make a nomination or comment on any nomination. Nominations or comments should follow a rationale based on our deletion policy.

If our deletion policy leads towards a merge or redirect, then coordinate this on the discussion page of the article.

The purpose of this page is limited to the interpretation and application of our deletion policy. You can discuss what our deletion policies should be on the deletion policy discussion page.

Nominating[edit]

Add a {{vfd}} tag to the top of the article, file or template being proposed for deletion, so that people viewing it will be aware. Place the tag at the very top, before everything else.

Add a link to the article, file or template at the end of the list below, along with the reason why it is being listed for deletion. Sign your recommendation using four tildes ("~~~~"). List one article, file or template per entry.

If you're nominating a file for deletion, make sure it's actually located on the English Wikivoyage and not on Wikimedia Commons.

The basic format for a deletion nomination is:

===[[Chicken]]===
Not a valid travel article topic. ~~~~

Commenting[edit]

All Wikivoyagers are invited to comment on articles, files or templates listed for deletion. The format for comments is:

===[[Chicken]]===
* '''Delete'''. Not a valid travel article topic. TravelNut 25:25, 31 Feb 2525 (EDT)
* '''Keep'''. There is a town in [[Alaska]] called Chicken. ~~~~

When leaving comments you may elect to delete, keep, or redirect the article. If you recommend redirection, you may suggest where it should be redirected to. Any attempt to merge content from an article to some other destination must retain the edit history to comply with the attribution (CC BY-SA) requirements of the free license, so it may be possible to merge and redirect but not to merge and delete. Sign your comment using four tildes ("~~~~").

Deleting, or not[edit]

  • If, after 14 days of discussion, the consensus is to delete, an administrator may delete it.
  • If, after 14 days of discussion, the consensus is to redirect or merge, any Wikivoyager may do it. If you make a redirect, please check for any resulting broken redirects or double redirects.
  • If, after 14 days of discussion, the consensus is to keep, any Wikivoyager may remove any VFD notices from that page, and archive the deletion discussion.
  • If there is no consensus after 14 days, allow a further 7 days for discussion.
    • If, after the additional 7 days, there is no consensus, the page should be kept – any Wikivoyager may remove any VFD notices from that page, and archive the deletion discussion.
    • If, after the additional 7 days, there is a consensus, implement it in line with the first three points above.
  • When deleting a template, consider first replacing it wherever it's been transcluded, especially if it served a formatting function. You can do this by adding "subst:" before the template name. Once that's done, you can delete the template without affecting individual uses of it.
  • When deleting an article, check "What links here". Either remove the newly-broken links from the articles or point them somewhere else. Inbound redirects to a deleted page should either be deleted or redirected elsewhere.

Archiving[edit]

After you keep/redirect/merge/delete the article, file or template, move the deletion discussion to the Archives page for the appropriate month. The root Archives page has a directory. Note that it's the month in which the action was taken, rather than when the nomination was first posted, that should be used for the archived discussion; that way, recourse to the deletion log can lead subsequent readers right to the discussion (at least for the pages that were deleted).

When archiving, always make it clear to other editors what the outcome of the discussion was. This can be done by adding the result to the discussion in a separate edit from the one in which you remove the discussion from this page; or you can describe the outcome in the edit summary when you remove the discussion.

If the nominated article, file or template was not deleted, then place another (identical duplicate) copy of the deletion discussion on the discussion page of the article, file or template being kept or redirected.

See also:

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April 2019[edit]

File:Eurovision Song Contest 2019 logo.png[edit]

Seems to fail EDP, as it is a non-free image that isn't a photograph of copyrighted artwork or architecture. (I also don't think it "materially contributes to the quality of one or more travel guide articles" as required by the policy—IMO the Tel Aviv article would be better without the Eurovision logo.) —Granger (talk · contribs) 02:03, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

  • This appears to be intended as an icon for an upcoming featured event that's due up on the Main Page on April 22. I guess it technically fails EDP, but common sense says keep. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 03:01, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
I'd say common sense says "delete" – we have EDP for a reason, and that's to discourage non-free content when not essential. In any case, policy clearly says "delete". Feel free to start a discussion to change EDP if you want. —Granger (talk · contribs) 03:12, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
Okay, so this image was uploaded less than two days ago and its intended eventual use is obvious, yet you're saying that it absolutely, positively has to be deleted now - even though it's only going to be re-uploaded again in a few weeks' time - solely because it was uploaded too far in advance? I'd say that goes well beyond being scrupulous with regard to policy and into the realm of tedious hair-splitting. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 03:35, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
That's not what I'm saying. Sorry, my statement above must have been unclear. The problem is that EDP prohibits us from using this image at all, on the main page, in articles, or anywhere else, because it's a non-free image that isn't a photograph of copyrighted artwork or architecture. —Granger (talk · contribs) 03:48, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
And the question is whether its intended use makes WV so much better that an exception is warranted. Do we want to use non-free content to highlight featured events? I think we should rather send a signal that restricting use of the logo means we are not going to use it. Let them keep their logo to themselves. There is no reason to use copyright law to restrict use of trademarks, which have their own protection – and the author should get their pay from the organisation, not from other users. --LPfi (talk) 06:56, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
Using a logo briefly to illustrate an upcoming event I think is a reasonable use, and I think it is the most effective way of conveying information to readers. If a logo doesn't qualify as an "artwork", then I think we should loosen EDP to permit this. I don't feel strongly about keeping it in the Tel Aviv article, but I think it is useful on the Main Page, and it should be deleted after the Featured Event period is over. Ground Zero (talk) 10:58, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
It might be the most effective way, and I don't think there is any legal trouble with doing so, but I think such use should be allowed without reading the organisation's terms and conditions. If they try to dictate how we are allowed to use the logo (they could demand we do not give bad reviews – I haven't read their material), then I think the logical thing to do is to not use their logo. By using it we accept them dictating conditions, and I do not think it is very important for our readers to see that logo; in the case of Icelandic architecture there may be a real conflict between wanting open content and serving travellers, but not here. Our readers should be able to find our featured events regardless of us using and them recognising a logo. --LPfi (talk) 11:56, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
It would be worth discussing the pros and cons of allowing non-free logos at Wikivoyage talk:Non-free content or the pub. But I think it's clear that under current policy the image isn't allowed. —Granger (talk · contribs) 13:49, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
Wikipedia has no trouble using logos like this, and they have much more experience with copyright issues than we do. This is a tempest in a teapot, I think. Ground Zero (talk) 14:05, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
No one is arguing it would be illegal for us to use the logo. But there are good reasons why our EDP doesn't say "Use any image that qualifies as fair use"; LPfi has mentioned some of them. Again, if you want to change the policy, we should have a discussion about that elsewhere. —Granger (talk · contribs) 14:30, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
  • To me, "photographs of artwork and architecture" (as stated in policy as an exception to the general rule of not allowing these kinds of images) means paintings and architectural designs that would be useful for a city's travel guide or information about a particular culture — that section of policy is not about logos as mentioned above. My stance is weak delete. My stronger vote is that we adjust the policy text to more clearly state what's allowed and what's not allowed. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 14:18, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
  • We're nearing 14 days, but I suggest that we hold off on closing this nomination so that (a) we can give the policy discussion time to be settled first and (b) we can close this nomination together with the ones below, since they're about the same issue and some of the comments below apply to this nomination as well. —Granger (talk · contribs) 13:28, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

File:2018 FIFA World Cup.svg[edit]

Another non-free image that fails EDP, as it isn't a photograph of copyrighted artwork or architecture and isn't used in any articles. —Granger (talk · contribs) 02:06, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

  • The flipside of the above situation: this is a past featured event and therefore the no-longer-in-use nonfree image should be deleted. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 03:03, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
  • Delete Ground Zero (talk) 10:58, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
  • Delete. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 14:16, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

File:Glass Bead Windex Art.jpg[edit]

Another non-free file that fails EDP, by virtue of not being used in any articles. —Granger (talk · contribs) 03:15, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

More files that fail EDP[edit]

These are the only other ones I can find: more non-free files that fail EDP, because they're not photos of copyrighted artwork or architecture.

Granger (talk · contribs) 01:40, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

(ec) Delete and support any and all enforcement of EDP (e.g. all of these noms). Although I think these files are harmless on their own, it seems that most of the files we host fall under categories that are not specifically exempted. While I normally have no problem with informal departures from the text of a policy, EDP is an exception for legal reasons and our behavior with regards to this content should be as legible as possible to the WMF/Commons community. If we want these files, we should modify EDP to match. ARR8 (talk | contribs) 01:44, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
Delete if you must, but the fact that this issue is being pressed IMO only underscores the urgency of the need to update our EDP. Wikipedia's apparently uncontroversial usage of similar nonfree logos, as Ground Zero has pointed out, is ample evidence that there's no realistic legal danger in using these files for their intended purpose. And needless to say, restrictiveness for its own sake is fairly pointless. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 02:27, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
I agree with Andre. This is enforcing a policy for the sake of enforcing a policy, not for the purported legal reasons. Events and organizations use logos for the purpose of quick and easy visual identification, the same reason that we would want to include logos on our main page. Those that are for past events can be deleted right away, but deleting those for coming events puts policy enforcement ahead of connecting readers to information. Ground Zero (talk) 02:36, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
(edit conflict) @AndreCarrotflower: As far as I know Wikipedia does not use nonfree files on their main page. —Granger (talk · contribs) 02:40, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
@Mx. Granger: can you cite the policy, please? I can only find reference to the Picture of the Day having to be a free use image, for reasons not related to the use we are discussing. Ground Zero (talk) 03:06, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
w:Wikipedia:FAQ/Main_Page#Why_is_a_Main_Page_section_missing_an_illustrative_image?Granger (talk · contribs) 03:28, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
To Ground Zero's points, I don't think the logos provide very much value to readers. I don't think the visual identification they provide is enough to outweigh the importance of keeping our content free to aid reuse (not all reusers can take advantage of generous US fair use provisions as they apply to a non-profit educational website). But again, discussions about whether to change the policy should take place elsewhere. —Granger (talk · contribs) 02:46, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

@AndreCarrotflower, LPfi, SelfieCity: and anyone else who is interested, a discussion has been started at Wikivoyage talk:Non-free content#Allowing temporary use of logos in EDP. —Granger (talk · contribs) 03:30, 15 April 2019 (UTC)