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This person has been participating actively (and I mean actively) on Wikivoyage for the last 3 months. They have worked hard on improving the quality of the guides for many destinations, participated in policy and guidelines discussions showing a strong understanding of current policy. Helps new users, is friendly, improves stubs, reverts bad edits with aplomb. We would be lucky if this person is willing to take on the additional responsibility of adminhood. --(WT-en) Evan 01:16, 6 January 2007 (EST)

  • Strong support. I'm particularly amazed that somebody can work this hard on Wikivoyage while backpacking in Bangladesh! (WT-en) Jpatokal 01:31, 6 January 2007 (EST)
  • Strong support. Since he's crazy enough to travel around Afghanistan, he should fit right in. -- (WT-en) Andrew H. (Sapphire) 01:32, 6 January 2007 (EST)
  • Strong support. He is very helpful and a really enthusiastic contributor. — (WT-en) Ravikiran 02:22, 6 January 2007 (EST)
  • Accept - thank you guys, and I'll do my best to help out where I can... I think this is a great project, hopefully this is the last trip I take where I have to heavily invest in bulky LP books... free (and up to date) information kinda rules... (WT-en) Cacahuate 10:43, 11 January 2007 (EST)
Cool, thanks again for the supports! I now see my new pretty buttons, and even did my first "rollback" (pretty sure that Iraq of all places does indeed need a stay safe section!). Anyhoo, changed my prefs to "mark my edits as patrolled", and will tread lightly with the new abilities. (WT-en) ::: Cacahuate 12:02, 21 January 2007 (EST)

Per the the peer pressure (User talk:(WT-en) NJR ZA) NJR_ZA has decided he'd be willing to become an admin so I hereby nominate him for the rank of sysop. NJR_ZA has been with us for a couple months, now, and likes to fight vandals, and it'd be nice if he had a few extra buttons that would save him two clicks when doing reverts. Also, it'd be nice if we didn't have to go behind him and "patrol" his edits, since they're generally excellent edits. -- (WT-en) Sapphire 00:31, 11 February 2007 (EST)

I accept the nomination and am willing to perform admin duties -- (WT-en) NJR_ZA 02:48, 11 February 2007 (EST)
  • Very Strong Support We all have already voted on this in the NJR ZA Talk page. Will make an excellent Admin. Your edits are ones that we all should use as an example and we appreciate your work and efforts. Thank you for accepting and helping with some of the cleanup and helping the community to grow. -- (WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel) 06:48, 11 February 2007 (EST)
  • Support! This guy is a legend on the SA pages, he's pretty much single handedly written a couple of them over the last few months - he's definitely committed to Wikivoyage and will make a great admin. -- (WT-en) Tim 08:43, 11 February 2007 (EST)
  • Strong support. I think he'll make a good admin. --(WT-en) Evan 09:46, 11 February 2007 (EST)
  • Support. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 12:53, 11 February 2007 (EST)
  • Support. -- (WT-en) Colin 13:42, 11 February 2007 (EST)
  • Support. As an aside, with the recent addition of User:(WT-en) Rmx, this nomination should give us an admin from every non-icebound continent. -- (WT-en) Ryan 14:19, 11 February 2007 (EST)
  • Support. (Now if we can just get Mumble or Lovelace online...) - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 20:47, 11 February 2007 (EST)
  • Strong Support - agree with all above, super pleasant, great edits, and good all around!! (WT-en) - Cacahuate 21:52, 11 February 2007 (EST)
  • Strong support!. I had forgotten to vote earlier. — (WT-en) Ravikiran 06:02, 16 February 2007 (EST)
  • Strong support. And thanks for helping us with the maps on de: ! --(WT-en) Flip666 08:25, 16 February 2007 (EST)
  • It is done. Thanks very much to Nick for taking on this new task, as well as thanks for everything else he's done. --(WT-en) Evan 09:54, 26 February 2007 (EST)


Classic case of false advertising ... these here buttons ain't shiny at all. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) NJR ZA (talk • contribs)

It depends on where the computer is located (i.e. under direct sunlight) and if you redefine the word "shiny". -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 16:23, 26 February 2007 (EST)

In my opinion this is by far one of the most amazing users because of the tremendously amazing amount of interwiki work he/she(?) does. It'd be nice not to have to patrol his/her edits since they're all awesome and that's one of reasons why I wanted to nominate Episteme. Even though we may get a "trusted user" feature, which would effectively solve that I want to give Episteme a revert button too since he/she comes across vandalism that the rest of us overlooks and will revert it. I could go on and on, but if you want more reasons to give Episteme the extra powers see:

-- (WT-en) Sapphire 20:42, 20 February 2007 (EST)

Strong support. Episteme is an essential link in keeping our interwiki network together. They are also an admin on ja:. --(WT-en) Evan 20:52, 20 February 2007 (EST)
Strong support - Thought they already were an admin here, always superb (WT-en) - Cacahuate 21:34, 20 February 2007 (EST)
Support for all the reasons above. --(WT-en) Jonboy 21:45, 20 February 2007 (EST)
Support. Although we really should get InterWikiBot back up and running again instead... (WT-en) Jpatokal 22:00, 20 February 2007 (EST)
Support Yes... for sure. -- (WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel) 22:39, 20 February 2007 (EST)
Support. -- (WT-en) Ryan 22:42, 20 February 2007 (EST)
Support. -- (WT-en) Colin 23:26, 20 February 2007 (EST)
Support -- (WT-en) Tim 06:24, 21 February 2007 (EST)
Support, provided they're willing and hoping the new status won't slow down their great collaborations. (WT-en) Ricardo (Rmx) 15:31, 27 February 2007 (EST)
Support -- (WT-en) NJR_ZA 05:45, 28 February 2007 (EST)
Accept. I highly appreciate your nomination and support. --(WT-en) Episteme 11:10, 4 March 2007 (EST)
Support — (WT-en) Ravikiran 11:35, 4 March 2007 (EST)

Well nobody seems to have nominated themselves recently, and, although I haven't been here long - I think I have a lot to offer this project, I hate to be self-indulgent, but really I just wanted to see how much credibility I've gained.. hehe. I certainly would make good use of the extra tools in monitoring articles, and cleanup of vandalism is something I want to become much more involved in. I will understand if my own nomination is politely dismissed, but, curiosity prevailed :-), see my contributions! here --(WT-en) MiddleEastern 17:31, 3 March 2007 (EST)

  • Object. User has only made 51 edits in the article namespace, has been fairly combative, and has not yet demonstrated an understanding of Consensus. While admin powers are a broom and not a sword, it is unclear at this time whether or not he can be trusted with the broom. Give it more time. -- (WT-en) Colin 18:43, 3 March 2007 (EST)
  • Object. I'm not convinced that the user is ready for the extra rights. This comment stands out as not fully understanding the idea or collaborating, especially when the IP made only one edit and said nothing about Europeans. See Special:Contributions/204.181.36.164. The user didn't make any really offending or untrue statements. He didn't even mention Hezbollah, as the nominee kind of charges. I, personally, don't agree with many things and I'll bitch and moan, but I try not to let my prejudices tell someone off, unless it's a vandal/troll and I'm at my breaking point.

I'm going to be honest about this too, but I'm somewhat worried that you'd be so anxious to jump the gun, with less than 200 edits to date, and nominate yourself to become an administrator. Sure, in theory, someone could do this, but it's only a theory. I agree with Cjensen that you need to wait longer... -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 23:09, 3 March 2007 (EST)

  • Not yet. It takes a little while to get the hang of how wikis work, and as others have pointed out a lot of patience and understanding is needed. I like the fact that you can provide an alternative view to many of us whose views are shaped by what Western governments and media outlets report, but at the same time I think most of us work hard to put politics aside, and I'd like to see more of an effort to do so on your part as well. If you'd like to be an admin stick around and do your best to make the guide as useful for travelers as possible, and eventually you'll see your name on this page again. -- (WT-en) Ryan 01:03, 4 March 2007 (EST)
  • Object. I only looked at a couple of edits, but what I have seen looks more politically motivated than travel related. --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 04:28, 4 March 2007 (EST)
  • Object per Nick. I think that adminship should not be a big deal and I have no problems with people who have strong opinions. But the minimum I expect from admins is that they should be interested in a travel guide. Your goal here seems to be to correct, what in your view are misconceptions about the political situation in the middle-east. That is not incompatible with our goal, but is not part of our primary goal. — (WT-en) Ravikiran 11:30, 4 March 2007 (EST)
  • Comment - Thanks for all your comments, they will serve as excellent pointers, if anyone has any more advice, please let me know --(WT-en) MiddleEastern 16:33, 5 March 2007 (EST)

I've been around quite a while now...And I am really sorry about the Kathgodam image issue....(WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage • ( Talk ) • ( (WT-en) Travel ) • 06:20, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

  • Oppose. Youthful enthusiasm, yes, a sincere desire to improve Wikivoyage, yes, but a thorough understanding of what this is all about and the responsibility to wield awesome janitorial powers — no. You're already an admin on Hindi, so please shepherd that for a while and then try again. (WT-en) Jpatokal 09:26, 22 March 2007 (EDT)
  • Comment — I basically concur and suggest a two month pause before a re-application; we do need enthusiastic hard workers that can build consensus and produce a quality result.
    ...(WT-en) Gaimhreadhan (kiwiexile at DMOZ) • 12:03, 22 March 2007 (EDT)
  • Support — I realise that those incidents of misrepresentation would have been inexcusable if it weren't by a overenthusiastic 13 yo. (The Kathgodam incident wasn't the first one. He had earlier plastered the Pune article with images from Thane and Jaipur and captioned them rather imaginatively.) But his conduct since then has been almost exemplary. (Well, there were a couple of incidents related to pointless bickering, but he stopped once I called on him to stop the childishness.) He has worked hard to improve the guides, understood policies, and has started the Hindi Wikivoyage almost singlehandedly. In my mind, there is no doubt that Upamanyu deserves to be an admin. — (WT-en) Ravikiran 10:16, 22 March 2007 (EDT)
  • Comment - Oops, talking about the Pune article, I think I copied the history bit from wp, I didn't know about the GDFL/CCSA stuff. I'll delete it right away. (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage • ( Talk ) • ( (WT-en) Travel ) • 11:25, 22 March 2007 (EDT)
Nope. I was talking of the case where you took an image from the Thane article, put it in Pune and claimed that it was the NH3 to Pune, and you took an image from a fort in Jaipur and claimed that it was Shaniwarvada in Pune. That was ridiculously stupid of you. I reverted it and left a comment on the talk page, and you did it again with the Kathgodam stuff. I know that you've learnt your lessons and won't do it again, but please don't hide it, and accept that after this it will take some time before you gain the confidence of others. — (WT-en) Ravikiran 12:39, 22 March 2007 (EDT)
  • Oppose. We're only 2 months removed from the Kathgodam nonsense. I promise not to bring this up 6 months from now, but I think this user needs more time to regain our (my?) trust. --(WT-en) Jonboy 11:49, 22 March 2007 (EDT)
  • Oppose. I'd like some more time first, and Hindi wikivoyage should be plenty to keep your plate full. Keep up the good work. -- (WT-en) Colin 12:06, 22 March 2007 (EDT)
  • Support. He works hard and in general does a competent job. (WT-en) WindHorse 12:14, 22 March 2007 (EDT) Upamanyu, I fully agree with Ravi's later comments. You are young and made some dumb mistakes, but as Ravi advises, the way to make amends is not to hide your foolishness, but to admit what you did and clear up the mess. Then, I suggest that you just keep plodding away and doing a good job, and slowly you will regain the confidence and trust of others. Anyway, don't be disappointed, because you've learned something useful from the experience, right?
  • Oppose - you're a great contributer, but I don't think you're quite experienced enough yet, as the photo incidents showed. Give it a couple of months - prove to us you're up to the job of adminning on here by keeping up the good edits and the adminning on Hindi, and I'll support your nomination then! Keep it up! -- (WT-en) Tim 15:28, 22 March 2007 (EDT)
  • Comment for all of you - Righto guys, I respect all your opinions and think all of you are right. But I hope none of you re trying to oppose my admin-ship on Hindi, should I resign out there as well? (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage • ( Talk ) • ( (WT-en) Travel ) • 00:35, 23 March 2007 (EDT)
Please don't resign on Hindi! If you're even half as enthusiastic on hi: as you are on en: then you are doing a fantastic job, so please don't resign! However, there is a difference between adminning on the largest language wikivoyage and on one of the smaller language versions. On en: you need more than enthusiasm, you need to be trustworthy, dependable and experienced. As I said above, keep up the effort and edits and we will be convinced in time! -- (WT-en) Tim 14:26, 23 March 2007 (EDT)
  • Comments and questions only.
  1. Upmanyu, you mention that you didn't know about GNU FDL/CC-by-SA 1.0. When did you realize there were differences and can you tell us what the biggest differences in the licenses are?
  2. What can you offer the project? For most nominations the reason that most easily pass is because the nominee has usually displayed some kind of strength that the project needs. Of course, there are some cases where some amazing contributors are overlooked when it comes to adminship.
  3. In the past I've given simple support for nominations, but I also do some background checking and in the case of one nomination (not on en:) I practically hounded the nominee for a description of his views on certain aspects, even though I was the one who nominated him. What are your views on Wikivoyage, Wikipedia, the wiki concept, etc.?
  4. I've essentially forgiven the incident where you lied about the license and authorship of the image, however, I didn't know about the Pune incident. Everyone essentially wants to know - will you lie again?
  5. As for your adminship on hi: no one on en: can revoke that, unless they bring it up on hi:. I would encourage you not to resign, because working on a foreign wiki can provide a lot of experience that you won't learn here. The reason for that is because en: is pretty solid with community policies and processes, but you get to learn new ideas and ways when you're helping to found a brand new wiki.
  6. You've got three admins opposing with two people supporting your nomination (including one admin). According to the standards set you need at least one more admin to support the nomination, but even then with so many other admins opposing your nomination is unlikely to pass. So my question then is - If the nomination fails what will you do?

Thanks for your responses in advance. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 01:01, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

The Pune incident

I realised that most people know not of the Pune incident I referred to above. So an explanation is in order, because on the face of it it is much more bizarre than the Kathgodam incident, but once you think of it, Upamanyu comes out looking somewhat better.

The incident I refer to can be seen in these diffs . In them, among other changes, most good and some misplaced, he added the following images

  • Image:Entering Thane.JPG — claiming that it was "Pune in the distance, as seen from NH 3" (It is actually the toll gate to Thane. The photo is taken by me. )
  • Image:Image029.jpg — claiming that it was "Domestic Terminal, Lohegaon Airport" (It is actually Mumbai airport and linked from there. )
  • Image:Indian Train.jpg —"Snacks off the platform, Pune City Stn" (There is no evidence that it is so, someone else had uploaded the image with the generic description that it is from the window of an Indian train.)
  • Image:IndianDress.jpg — "Inside the Shanivar Waada". (The photo was actually contributed by Yann and he had captioned it "Indian dress of Rajasthan" back when it was on the India page. )
  • Image:Idli vada sambar and chutney.JPG — "Breakfast, Fergusson College Rd. Enjoy the hot and piping street food." (The image I uploaded did not contain any location information.)

These image additions will look bizarre, because if the intent was to deceive the effort was supremely pointless. All one had to do was click on those images to find out that they were not, in fact what they were captioned as. Upamanyu is not dumb, quite the contrary, so I find myself unable to believe that he was unaware of the concept of clicking on an image. My best explanation is that he was taking artistic license too far, and he was at that time unable to distinguish between the ethics of using stock images and an image of a particular place. For example, if the "Do" section of Tamil Nadu lists "enjoy a Bharata Natyam dance performance" and I upload a photo of a Bharata Natyam dancer I had clicked in Mumbai and caption it "A Bharata Natyam dancer", it would be within the bounds of ethics. If I let my imagination run wild and say "A Bharata Natyam performance in Thiruvalluvar sabha, Chennai", then I am breaching ethics. If a professional photographer did it, it would be a firing offense. But at Upamanyu's age, I think that the problem was with a simple lack of knowledge of the ethics involved. This indicates immaturity rather than dishonesty.

Also, I mentioned above that Kathgodam occurred after Pune. In one sense it is true, but I checked the history and he had uploaded the image a month before the Pune incident. Later, he was questioned and lied about taking the photo himself, most probably because he felt cornered.

Of course, all of this is extremely immature behaviour and those of you who feel that Upamanyu needs some more time before you are convinced that he has grown probably have a point. But if you think that he was dishonest and you need more time before you trust him, then I just want to point out that his problems with honesty had more to do with immaturity than with any other failing of character. — (WT-en) Ravikiran 08:08, 24 March 2007 (EDT)

Hey Ravi, thanks for taking the time to explain the situation in such detail, and I fully agree with your conclusions that immaturity rather deceit were behind those incidences. I reiterate my support for Upamanyu's admin application. (WT-en) WindHorse 08:24, 24 March 2007 (EDT)
  • Future support - looks like this won't pass through this time, but as others have said, keep up the good work, you've been really helpful lately and I'm looking forward to what you get going with the Hindi version. And if you have time, keep helping us here on English too! – (WT-en) cacahuate talk 02:51, 29 March 2007 (EDT)

[Procedural note: Project:Administrators gives no way to resign, that's why I'm asking here!]

I'd like to resign my Admin status before it is taken from me by force :) I just don't feel that I'm a regular enough editor these days, since I only edit when I travel, and only travel once a year or so (WT-en) Hypatia 07:42, 24 April 2007 (EDT) Withdrawn, see below

Good point, should this be requested on this page, or on a Beaurocrat's talk page? – (WT-en) cacahuate talk 19:47, 24 April 2007 (EDT)
If you'd like to resign then I think you should be allowed to do so, but if your sole reason for resigning is due to the existing admin guidelines then I'd rather see you stay. I think the original guidelines about how active an admin should be were put in place to allow a way to plug a potential security hole for someone who has become completely inactive. Since you edit occasionally I think it is fine for you to keep your shiny buttons, and others may feel the same given the support you received during the admin nomination. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 20:50, 24 April 2007 (EDT)
Agree with Ryan, the only stipulation for keeping the buttons is that you log in once every 3 months, which you seem to have no problem doing – (WT-en) cacahuate talk 21:37, 24 April 2007 (EDT)
Me three. It's great to have you as even an occasional admin, but if you're sure you want out, it can be done. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 21:58, 24 April 2007 (EDT)
Strong oppose on the ground that it will set a wrong signal to future administrators. The requirement for an administrative role is that she understands policies and that she has a level head on her shoulders. As long as you have those, it does not matter how much or how little you contribute. Any contributions are welcome as long as they are positive contributions. If we accept your resignation without a fight, it will deter future administrator nominees who will think that they may not be able to commit sufficient time. Of course, we can't stop you from resigning, but I strongly urge you to reconsider. — (WT-en) Ravikiran 23:35, 24 April 2007 (EDT)
  • I'm in general agreement with the above. I don't have anywhere near as much time to do admin work here as I used to, but as long as I find time periodically to do so, I figure I'll retain that "job". I'd be happy for you to stay on, on the same terms. But if you're intent on resigning... well, if you stay away for three months, that would give "cause", and your admin status would be terminated as a security precaution. But if you can't stay away that long... :) - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 00:37, 25 April 2007 (EDT)
Oppose, for reasons already mentioned. Mary, you're an important asset to this site and I'd greatly regret losing you as an admin. You seem to be able to meet the once-every-3-months requirement, and you seem to still be interested in the project, and as far as I'm concerned that's good enough. --(WT-en) Evan 09:02, 25 April 2007 (EDT)
Withdrawn nomination. As long as Wikivoyage is happy with me retaining admin privileges while remaining a user who becomes active only in the middle of occasional travel (and meets the 3 month minimum! (WT-en) Hypatia 22:13, 27 April 2007 (EDT)), I'm happy to do so. I'm more used to projects where people whose level of activity is drastically dropping are required/encouraged to pull out in fairness to the project. Perhaps there should be a document aimed at us overly conscientious volunteers :) (WT-en) Hypatia 22:10, 27 April 2007 (EDT)

Stacy is a fairly new user, but right from the start dove straight into the policies, guidelines and goals, in which she now seems well versed. She makes lots of edits, seems to do a fair amount of patrolling which would help diminish the red exclamation marks, and is a helpful and collaborative editor. And I think she's added WP, isin's and official websites for nearly half this entire site. Anyway, I'd support – (WT-en) cacahuate talk 19:16, 24 April 2007 (EDT)

  • Support. I need more Ohioans for the takeover and she'll do. Today it will be Wikivoyage. Tomorrow it'll be the office of Brown County Auditor, then the world! {Insert evil laughter}. So Stacy, think you can handle all of that? -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 01:18, 25 April 2007 (EDT)
  • Support. Provided she wants to be nominated, of course. She hasn't been around very long, but she's been great about working with people in a friendly way to correct mistakes and come to decisions. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 01:22, 25 April 2007 (EDT)
  • Support. She is very active on shared:, too! --(WT-en) Flip666 writeme! • 04:48, 25 April 2007 (EDT)
  • Support. (WT-en) Pashley 07:02, 25 April 2007 (EDT)
  • Strong support. FDE has been a great contributor and would make an great admin. I have a rule of thumb that I don't nominate anyone until after 3 months on the site, but FDE is about to pass this mark, so fantastic. As an aside, I may have missed something, but it might be good to do a gender check before using the feminine pronoun. "Stacy" is also a male name, after all. Cacahuate, can you notify the nominee of the nomination, please? --(WT-en) Evan 09:07, 25 April 2007 (EDT)
  • Support. Definitely admin material. Level headed, excellent updates and not scared of doing general maintenance work. -- (WT-en) NJR ZA 09:20, 25 April 2007 (EDT)
  • Accept. Sure I will. I think this is a great project that still has so much potential. I can't even remember how I stumbled across WT, but I'm glad I did. BTW - I'm a chick, but my dad didn't want me to be when he named me after this Stacy. -- (WT-en) Fastestdogever 10:24, 25 April 2007 (EDT)
  • Support. Thank you for accepting. -- (WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel) 23:25, 27 April 2007 (EDT)
  • Support. Late to the party, but just wanted to chime in. (And Stacy, he could have named you "Walter"!). (WT-en) Maj 23:36, 27 April 2007 (EDT)

He or she is fairly new but seems to have experience on other wikis and is doing lots of good cleanup work, spelling fixes, etc. I'm tired of having Flickety fix some page I'm watching so I have to go click on it to mark the edit "patrolled"; let's just make him or her an admin and save me the trouble :-) (WT-en) Pashley 23:51, 12 May 2007 (EDT)

  • Oppose. Great user -- but people sometimes come and do some great work for a few weeks and leave (and we love them for the time they do give us). I prefer to wait a few months to see by demonstration whether or not the user really wants to work on this project on an ongoing basis, or if they tire of us. This user has only been here two weeks, so let's give it some more time first. -- (WT-en) Colin 00:34, 13 May 2007 (EDT)
  • Oppose - I just don't think that this user has done enough edit yet. Give it a while longer --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 01:18, 13 May 2007 (EDT)
  • In the Future - Flickerty is staring off to make a great Administrator in the future. Additional time (a least three months total) and some more involvement with policy discussions and I see an excellent Administrator in the making. Hang in there and before you know it there will be another nomination. -- (WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel) 07:23, 14 May 2007 (EDT)
  • Future Support. Still not around long enough. Bring this back up at the end of July & Flickety will have my support. -- (WT-en) Fastestdogever 11:31, 14 May 2007 (EDT)
  • Not yet. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 11:41, 14 May 2007 (EDT)
  • Decline - Thanks for your support here. I would be honoured to have this opportunity but I can understand that most of you feel that I am too new. I do appreciate being considered, however. Please consider me next time around (although I will be on a long travel vacation then...). If you wish to see my work elsewhere, I am an administrator on wikiHow. Thanks. P.S. I only just found this because I have been at Rococo all weekend. PPS & should have added decline but I was so stoked by the wiki-love. :) Anyway, I would like to have a go another time when I've done some more here. THANKS! -- (WT-en) Flickety 15:50, 20 May 2007 (EDT)
  • Support. I met Flickety in person at RoCoCo; she's extremely personable, knowledgeable about wiki, and enthusiastic about creating great content and working with others. I hope that when/if she is re-nominated she accepts the job -- it would be great to have someone who's an admin on wikiHow be an admin here, too. --(WT-en) Evan 22:38, 4 June 2007 (EDT)
Yep, stick around, glad to have you as a new and enthusiastic contributor! And a long travel vacation will, I'm sure, only add to the quality of your edits! Take lots of notes, please – (WT-en) cacahuate talk 12:52, 21 May 2007 (EDT)

Another relatively new one that is doing good work, e.g. reorganising the Russia regions, and would probably make good use of admin privileges. He's shown an understanding of policy and consensus in some discussions, too. (WT-en) Pashley 23:51, 12 May 2007 (EDT)

  • Support. Peter has been here three months. While I prefer more time than that, Peter has participated in some tough discussions in a productive manner in addition to his work on content organization. -- (WT-en) Colin 00:34, 13 May 2007 (EDT)
  • Support - Hard to belive he has only been here three months. He has done a huge amount of very good work, understands teamwork and contributes not only to articles, but also to the discussions that keeps to improve Wikivoyage. --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 01:21, 13 May 2007 (EDT)
  • Support - I almost nominated him in the last round, but decided to wait until he'd hit 500 edits (which he's now done). He's enthusiastic about the project, works well with the rest of us, and has my support. – (WT-en) cacahuate talk 05:38, 13 May 2007 (EDT)
  • Support - Peter has been doing some really good work and has made good contributions to policy discussions. -- (WT-en) DanielC 14:10, 13 May 2007 (EDT)
  • Accept - Thank you for your kind words. If I do become an administrator, I plan to mostly continue the type of work that I have been doing: maps, geographical hierarchy organization, throwing around my 2¢, and eventually getting Georgia (country) up to star status. But with the extra admin privileges (rollback and patrolled edits), I would also contribute more to the recent changes patrol. I should also mention that I may be absent for about a week after tonight—I'm leaving early tomorrow morning for Guanacaste and don't know whether I'll have wireless! --(WT-en) Peterfitzgerald Talk 16:59, 13 May 2007 (EDT)
  • Support. Hopefully we can welcome you to the shiny button club soon. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 23:39, 13 May 2007 (EDT)
  • Support. --(WT-en) Jonboy 06:41, 14 May 2007 (EDT)
  • Support. Will make a good Administrator. Thank you for accepting. -- (WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel) 07:23, 14 May 2007 (EDT)
  • Support. Is great at copyediting & working towards consensus. -- (WT-en) Fastestdogever 11:31, 14 May 2007 (EDT)
  • Support. Good choice. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 11:41, 14 May 2007 (EDT)
  • Support, and it is now time for the button to be flipped. — (WT-en) Ravikiran 08:52, 31 May 2007 (EDT)
  • Support, and the button will be flipped in a few seconds. --(WT-en) Evan 10:10, 4 June 2007 (EDT)

Has been doing a great job on many, many articles related to Japan, South-East Asia and more since last October. Follows the MoS to a tee and does anti-spam/vandalism housekeeping regularly. (WT-en) Jpatokal 23:06, 11 June 2007 (EDT)

Sweet. I'm going for the world record of being gassed there. So far I've got three-and-a-half gassings. -- 71.72.212.152 18:55, 12 June 2007 (EDT)

Brian has been collaborating since July 2006 and has become one of the most helpful and indispensable users to the project as a whole. He is currently an admin on es:, pt:, and ro: (despite not speaking Romanian, but wanted to help out where he could). He's also been active in helping out on de:. He seems to understand the wiki process and our policies and has participated in cross-lingual discussions including the "WikiTours" discussion. I think it'd be wise of us to give him a few extra powers to help keep things nice and clean on en:. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 11:27, 12 June 2007 (EDT)

  • Support – Andrew said it well – (WT-en) cacahuate talk 11:42, 12 June 2007 (EDT)
  • Support. -- (WT-en) Colin 12:24, 12 June 2007 (EDT)
  • Support. I don't see why en: should be different from our other language versions. B-) --(WT-en) Evan 12:35, 12 June 2007 (EDT)
  • Support. Even if he is a collaborator like Sapphire alleges, since this way we can keep a closer eye on him. (WT-en) Jpatokal 12:55, 12 June 2007 (EDT)
  • Support. He's not an administrator?! --(WT-en) Peterfitzgerald Talk 14:55, 12 June 2007 (EDT)
  • Accept - Glad to help! (WT-en) Texugo 19:14, 12 June 2007 (EDT)
  • Support. - (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 19:29, 12 June 2007 (EDT)
  • Support. — (WT-en) Ravikiran 00:53, 14 June 2007 (EDT)
  • Support. -- (WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel) 14:37, 14 June 2007 (EDT)
  • Support. -- Bryan is very committed to the project and does a terrific job at patrolling edits on pt: (and other versions as well), I'm sure we'd benefit from his profile here too. --(WT-en) Ricardo (Rmx) 18:10, 14 June 2007 (EDT)


I would like to nominate myself to become a bureaucrat on the English Wikivoyage. I've been fulfilling the job for the past couple of months and there's really no difference in the job description of an administrator and bureaucrat, except two extra buttons.

Feel free to ask me questions regarding the nomination (kinda like a Senate confirmation). -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 17:29, 14 August 2007 (EDT)

Strong support. Andrew is already a bureaucrat at de: and I think on some other language versions, too. He has always shown his great interest in Wikivoyage, not only by editing articles, but especially by participation in many discussions. I think he will be a great manager of the community! --(WT-en) Flip666 writeme! • 18:45, 14 August 2007 (EDT)
Strong support. Andrew is consistent in his thoughtfull approach both as a contributor and an admin. He's the perfect candidate for bureaucrat. -- (WT-en) Mark 01:01, 15 August 2007 (EDT)
Strong support. (WT-en) Jpatokal 02:57, 15 August 2007 (EDT)
Support -- (WT-en) Colin 03:03, 15 August 2007 (EDT)
Support -- (WT-en) NJR_ZA 03:08, 15 August 2007 (EDT)
Support Andrew is one of the most committed people in our community here, and he knows just about everything there is to know about Wikivoyage. -- (WT-en) Tim (writeme!) 05:36, 15 August 2007 (EDT)
Support. Easiest decision I've made since whether or not to have some ice cream last night. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 10:05, 15 August 2007 (EDT)
Support. Sounds good to me. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 12:19, 15 August 2007 (EDT)
Support. --(WT-en) Ricardo (Rmx) 22:00, 15 August 2007 (EDT)
  • Strong support. – (WT-en) cacahuate talk 14:39, 18 August 2007 (EDT)
  • Support My, my, my.... from cheerleader to honcho. Look out world! Luv ya, man. (WT-en) OldPine 16:41, 18 August 2007 (EDT)
  • Support, but: How many people with Bureaucrat privileges should we have/do we need? I certainly have no problem with either Andrew or Jani having this privilege, but the more people have higher-powered access, the more chances there are for something to go wrong somewhere because of a compromise. I'd appreciate an explanation of why this is being done. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 17:43, 18 August 2007 (EDT)
  • Support. --(WT-en) Evan 16:01, 20 August 2007 (EDT)
  • Support. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 10:39, 21 August 2007 (EDT)
  • Support -- (WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel) 10:44, 21 August 2007 (EDT)

I would like to nominate our ever-productive contributor in order to reduce his article productivity so that he stops making the rest of us look bad. Sure, flipping admin bits might not stop him much, but it's a start. Also he is fluent in shiny-buttonese, rarely presses them wrong as an admin, and is often around the site. Would be a nice to have an additional crat to flip bits when Sapphire is travelling and Evan is off working on that Extra thingie. -- (WT-en) Colin 03:03, 15 August 2007 (EDT)

Accept. Becoming an anonymous, faceless, unpaid bureaucrat in vast, impersonal machinery, with power over life and death bot bits and usernames, has been a lifelong dream. (WT-en) Jpatokal 03:18, 15 August 2007 (EDT)
  • Strong support. Jani is an excellent admin, knows just about everything imaginable, and is, as Colin noted, around the site often enough to respond to requests in a timely manner. Plus, I owe him lunch and hopefully he'll settle for my support. ;) -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 03:35, 15 August 2007 (EDT)
  • Strong support Jani has been extrordinally important to this project. -- (WT-en) Mark 03:54, 15 August 2007 (EDT)
  • Support - excellent admin, committed contributer -- (WT-en) Tim (writeme!) 05:38, 15 August 2007 (EDT)
  • Support - it's a no brainer, Jani is the right person for the job. --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 05:55, 15 August 2007 (EDT)
  • Support. --(WT-en) Flip666 writeme! • 07:44, 15 August 2007 (EDT)
  • Support. Yet another page to be ruthlessly published by the Wikivoyage Press empire. Get ready for The Compleat Wikivoyage Bureaucrat Nominations, 2003-2007 to take its place on the bestseller list alongside The Compleat Wikivoyage Administrator Nominations, 2003-2007 and Being a Discourse on the Ruinous Character of Modern and Cosmopolitan Section Headings. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 10:05, 15 August 2007 (EDT)
  • NO!!!!!Support. The Jani is growing in power exponentially, and soon we will be unable to control it... -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 12:19, 15 August 2007 (EDT)
Support. --(WT-en) Ricardo (Rmx) 22:00, 15 August 2007 (EDT)
Have these two nominations been processed? (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 16:16, 14 September 2007 (EDT)
Yes, see Special:Listusers/Bureaucrat. --(WT-en) Evan 16:41, 14 September 2007 (EDT)

Per the drug and peer induced, but vague acceptance of Colin's, Ryan's, and my past suggestions and requests, I hereby declare (WT-en) David/OldPine a nominee for administrator. He has been one of my favorite users – soldiering on and smacking us on the head when we get obsessed over trivial matters (such as vfds). This will likely be the easiest nomination since Evan voted himself an administrator/bureaucrat/developer some years ago. I'm really excited about this nomination because OldPine understands just about everything about Wikivoyage, collaboration, and consensus. Plus, when he has goofed he is normally the one to go back and correct the mistake(s). What a guy. Support, as if that wasn't already clear. -- 15:33, 18 September 2007 (EDT)

  • Strong support, but let's make sure he wants the job first. --(WT-en) Evan 15:36, 18 September 2007 (EDT)
Andrew says I'll get paid as much as the rest of you guys (cept you, Evan); Colin says I won't have to work nights, so sign me up. If you'll have me, I mean (I throw Groucho Marx and his cautions to the wind). (WT-en) OldPine 15:51, 18 September 2007 (EDT)
  • Stronger support. Very glad that you have accepted! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 15:52, 18 September 2007 (EDT)
  • Strongerer support. -- (WT-en) Colin 16:16, 18 September 2007 (EDT)
Very nice. Showing true wisdom: that one can not truly appreciate the light without the darkness. (WT-en) OldPine 19:22, 18 September 2007 (EDT)
  • Support, of whatever description, and agreed: finally! -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 19:17, 18 September 2007 (EDT)
  • Some port! or, um.. something. (WT-en) Texugo 19:42, 18 September 2007 (EDT)
  • Support. Absolutely! (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 22:35, 18 September 2007 (EDT)
  • Support. In honor of Old Pine joining the shiny button club I shall compose an epic haiku in his honor: OldPine is great, Give him shiny buttons, Um... I don't know how to write haikus. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 23:33, 18 September 2007 (EDT)
  • Support. (WT-en) Jpatokal 07:44, 19 September 2007 (EDT)
  • Support. He's doing a great job as a normal user on fr:, and I'm sure he'll do even better here with shiny buttons and without the language barrier... ;) (WT-en) WTDuck2 16:26, 19 September 2007 (EDT)
Hahaha! "Yankee-pigeon-french" comes to Wikivoyage fr:. I won't be seeking admin rights over there! (WT-en) OldPine 16:57, 19 September 2007 (EDT)
  • Support. --(WT-en) Jonboy 17:51, 19 September 2007 (EDT)
  • Support. He has been a big help to me. I hope he supplies some good fall photo's of New England (please). (WT-en) 2old 09:52, 20 September 2007 (EDT)
An excellent request. I shall try. Thanks, 2old, I appreciate those words. I feared you'd never forgive all the initial nitpicking I gave you. ;) (WT-en) OldPine 11:07, 20 September 2007 (EDT)

I realize I haven't contributed for three months (school work is really getting hectic) but I'd still like to nominate myself... :) (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage • ( Talk ) • ( (WT-en) Travel ) • 07:19, 14 September 2007 (EDT)

I won't be able to log in regularly for another month. (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage • ( Talk ) • ( (WT-en) Travel ) •

  • Question. Given that you are not currently contributing to en wikivoyage actively, why do you want to be an admin? -- (WT-en) Colin 11:39, 14 September 2007 (EDT)

I will be contributing actively after a month's time. If you look into my contributions, you'll find that I was quite active a few months back. I'm kind of taking a wikibreak for a few months. (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage • ( Talk ) • ( (WT-en) Travel ) • 12:32, 14 September 2007 (EDT)

I'm glad you have priorities in life and are taking a wikibreak. Enjoy it, and we look forward to your future contributions. Could we deal with this issue a few months after you return? I don't see a rush if you're on break, and waiting a few more months after your return will give newer folk time to work with you. -- (WT-en) Colin 15:22, 14 September 2007 (EDT)
I agree - delay consideration until nominees are ready to begin performing the duties. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 16:16, 14 September 2007 (EDT)
  • Postpone. You've made some great contributions, but let's wait until you're contributing regularly again. Also, a gentle suggestion: instead of nominating yourself, wait until someone else nominates you; a self-nomination calls attention to the individual, while an admin nomination should instead be about the individual's contributions to Wikivoyage. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 23:53, 18 September 2007 (EDT)
  • Oppose. Just want to have one clear "oppose" in here. --(WT-en) Jonboy 17:53, 19 September 2007 (EDT)
I respect your decision, but could you let me know if there are any other reasons... Thanks. (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage • ( Talk ) • ( (WT-en) Travel ) • 07:49, 20 September 2007 (EDT)
Basically, it doesn't make any sense to me to nominate as an admin someone in the middle of a wikibreak. Come back, resume contributions, and we'll see. Or, you might find the break worthwhile, in which case enjoy real life. --(WT-en) Jonboy 08:30, 20 September 2007 (EDT)
As you guys say... (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage • ( Talk ) • ( (WT-en) Travel ) •
Postpone Upanmanyuwikivoyage is one of my favorite personalities here. I hope he continues to participate after his wikibreak. He is a great contributor. If he is able to participate and it does not take from his studies, I will fully support him. I hope he considers Ohio State to continue his studies. We need bright young people like him. (WT-en) 2old 10:14, 20 September 2007 (EDT)

He's been doing great stuff around here for almost a year now including helping to turn Albuquerque into a star, and I had to double-check just to make sure that he wasn't already an admin. Has been good about working with others, understands the policies, and meets all of the other pre-requisites for being an admin, so let's get him in the shiny button club. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 12:16, 14 October 2007 (EDT)

  • Support. Definitely someone who can and would help. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 12:29, 14 October 2007 (EDT)
  • Support. John has definitely got my vote. He does excellent work around here --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 12:46, 14 October 2007 (EDT)
  • Support! Thought he was an admin already. Has a cool handle, too. Wait, that's not a good reason. Um.. what Ryan said. -- (WT-en) OldPine 13:31, 14 October 2007 (EDT)
    • Actually, because this trivium has been rattling around the back of my head ever since John started here, I'm not sure his handle is necessarily a message we want to convey ... but no matter, I still support him. :-) -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 11:39, 16 October 2007 (EDT)
      • *falls off chair laughing* My dirty secret revealed! And just as I was running for office! Are you a member of the anti-insect media, Bill? Trying to corrupt my plans to promote roach motels on the Sleep sections of Wikivoyage pages? :P (WT-en) PerryPlanet 18:12, 16 October 2007 (EDT)
  • Support. Nice guy, knows what he's doing, and writes good articles. Good job on the detective work Bill, glad someone's doing the background checks around here – (WT-en) cacahuate talk 03:21, 17 October 2007 (EDT)
  • Support. Policy-versed, smart, and polite; couldn't ask for more. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 19:08, 18 October 2007 (EDT)
  • Support. Good news! Glad he's willing to do it. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 19:18, 18 October 2007 (EDT)
  • indication of willingness. As an Administrator for Wikivoyage, I promise to uphold the laws of the Wiki and help make this website the most up-to-date travel guide in the world. I promise to uphold the truth for the sake of travelers everywhere. I vow to protect all those who are weak, and...Eh, well you get the idea. I promise to do a good job. :) (WT-en) PerryPlanet 00:37, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

I just discovered that Wandering is not yet an admin. He's been around about six months or so plugging away at articles , starting new articles , helping out misguided contributions , fixing mere vandalism , and contributing to policy discussions with an understanding of how things are done around here . A fine contributor and I think we should let him janitoradmin to his heart's content.

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