Wikivoyage talk:Graffiti wall

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Like this.

huh

just a quick way to add something to the discussion page?

Yep, pretty much.

So you just have to type what you want onto the page, and then click the "this is a minor edit" and then click the Save page button at the bottom of the page?

--(WT-en) Evan 15:26, 10 Feb 2004 (EST)

hi

User Eve

This would be a comment. (WT-en) Charles 12:46, 31 Jan 2006 (EST)

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How do you post your own images? And how do write new articles? Like say about a undiscovered railfan hideaway spot? -rustingfreight 2:10 (cst)

Project:Help and Project:How to have some articles that explain how to do these things. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 15:18, 24 May 2007 (EDT)

Graffiti wall

Archived from the Pub:

I'm using the graffiti wall to print some devanagiri. (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage • ( Talk ) • ( (WT-en) Travel ) • 00:28, 29 March 2007 (EDT)

Done. I'v reverted it to the last version. For some obscure reason, MS word does not support devanagiri so I printed it out from the graffiti wall. I might use it later for the same purpose. (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage • ( Talk ) • ( (WT-en) Travel ) • 05:45, 29 March 2007 (EDT)

test again

testing this little itty bitty note

Should we make newbies more aware of this page?

...for instance by mentioning it in the standard welcome message? Currently this page is edited very infrequently and I think there are many more new users who would be interesting in a sandbox page for experimenting around but have no idea that this one exists. ϒpsilon (talk) 20:00, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Not sure if this has been added yet, but I might check it out. Usersnipedname (talk) 07:06, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Seems like it has been. Usersnipedname (talk) 07:08, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

I agree that newbies like me should be more aware, I didn't know until Granger just messaged me saying welcome and briefed me on some things (thank you, Granger).

Category:Wikivoyage help?

I reverted a bunch of crap, and now it says I added this page to Category:Wikivoyage help? That's absurd! The graffiti wall is not a place to look for help! I don't understand how I added it to that category or how to remove it from that category. If you do understand this, please remove it from that category, and thank you! Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:14, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Is this more trouble than it's worth?

Most websites don't have a graffiti wall. This page requires patrolling because many of the edits are destructive in one way or another. Do we benefit from facilitating them? Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:45, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Perhaps move to Wikivoyage:Sandbox instead? DannyS712 (talk) 23:04, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

I didn't know about that page, and I like this feature: "this page is cleaned regularly on the hour". Seems like a good idea to me. What do other people think? Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:39, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

I'd be happy to make a bot to do the cleaning - should be really simple DannyS712 (talk) 06:41, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

The purpose of the page, as I understand it, is to give users a place to test the editing interface and wiki syntax without doing damage to pages that matter. This seems useful to me, like w:Wikipedia:Sandbox. I support using a bot to clean it once an hour or similar. —Granger (talk · contribs) 07:09, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, if a bot cleaned this page once an hour, that would be perfect! Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:37, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Sure, will write the bot when I get a chance (probably this weekend) - is the current block of text what should be used? DannyS712 (talk) 18:57, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

I think so. If we decide we want to change it, we can always edit the text at Wikivoyage:Graffiti wall/top, which wouldn't require a change to the bot. —Granger (talk · contribs) 20:28, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, DannyS712! Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:06, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

I didn't get to it last weekend, but can I suggest that if the page is to be renamed to the sandbox, we do that now, so that I don't need to update the bot later? DannyS712 (talk) 16:20, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

I don't think it matters what the name of this page is. Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:42, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ That said, I think there still needs to be some boundaries, and we should be able to ban people for posting say, threats or bigoted content even though it is a "graffiti wall". Perhaps we should add something like that to the top of the page. The dog2 (talk) 17:32, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

We are able to block people for doing that, but sure, it wouldn't hurt to mention that. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:52, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

I think "graffiti wall" is fine. The redirect from Wikivoyage:Sandbox is enough for those from the Wikipedias. –LPfi (talk) 18:11, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

I agree with LPfi. —Granger (talk · contribs) 18:23, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

@Ikan Kekek @LPfi @Mx. Granger @The dog2 Okay, fine by me. Official request at Wikivoyage:Script nominations DannyS712 (talk) 19:12, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Graffiti wall on Wikivoyage?

Swept in from the pub

I know this may not be important, but when will the Graffiti wall page be reopened for experimenting? RockTransport (talk) 17:03, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Wikivoyage:Graffiti wall —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:14, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

If I read this correctly, it would be in about 15 hours. --Ypsilon (talk) 18:14, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! RockTransport (talk) 18:55, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

@RockTransport: You should now be able to edit the graffiti wall (I've given you confirmed perms for a week). --SHB2000 (t | c | m) 21:20, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Why is the graffiti wall semi-protected? Of all the pages on Wikivoyage, that's probably the one where vandalism matters the least. It's also important for it to be open to edits from new editors, who may want to use it as they're getting the hang of how to edit. —Granger (talk · contribs) 00:39, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Spam ≠ vandalism. --SHB2000 (t | c | m) 01:06, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

What I can see, there has come spam only from two IP addresses in the last month, and vandalism from a couple more. We should be able to handle that by revert+block. Although the policy doesn't seem to explicitly allow blocking in these cases – I see no evidence that the edits were from bots, and ordinary touts should be handled with {{tout}}, not by blocking – but I think it is consistent with our practice. –LPfi (talk) 06:12, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

I really did not think we needed to be having this discussion, but here we go:

• Mx Granger claimed that it was semi-protected because of vandalism – yes, vandalism. Most types of vandalism have no issue, but this was an IP user trying very hard to spam their link into their graffiti wall.
• You claim this could be handled by blocks, but blocking does nothing since they used three (not two as you claimed) IP addresses within a 32-hour period meaning the blocks are useless. The IP then continues under a different address.

And all of this, mind you, was handled by me manually confirming RockTransport for a week meaning they can edit the page while it is still protected. Was this...not an option that came to mind? (even though I brought it up at #c-SHB2000-20241019212000-RockTransport-20241019185500)

I don't think it's worth my time arguing when the two of you bring up deliberately incorrect information because you have an issue with the protections. This seems like you both are looking for a problem in search of a resolved issue. --SHB2000 (t | c | m) 06:49, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

I followed these incidents, rolled back one of the spam edits, I do believe, and fully vouch for SHB2000's account. Out-of-control spam is a good reason to at least temporarily restrict use of the graffiti wall. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:47, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

[edit conflict] Please! I didn't deliberately bring up false information. I'm sorry if I wasn't careful enough in analysing the history, but I really tried to search for the massive spamming (ah! there were two different .61s!). Still, two or three in 32 hours isn't that big a difference. –LPfi (talk) 08:54, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

If you think this spamming was too intense to be handled by revert-and-block, then I'd expect a discussion on that. Thanks IK for your post. I just have to trust your assessment, it seems. Still, the issue doesn't go away by giving one user the needed rights. Attempts to edit a locked page doesn't show up anywhere that I know, so other newcomers will still be hampered, if any happen to try the Graffiti wall during the locking. –LPfi (talk) 09:00, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for being honest and admitting, LPfi. I'll admit I was somewhat frustrated at the time, but glad we cleared things in the air. --SHB2000 (t | c | m) 09:07, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

I don't think we need to permanently restrict edits on that page. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:02, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

The only reason to would be some unblockable spambot permanently targeting it for frequent edits that cannot be caught by a filter. I see that scenario as quite far-fetched. The question is about the threshold for semi-protecting pages, and whether half-an-hour protections would suffice. –LPfi (talk) 10:31, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

For sure, which is why it's only protected until today. --SHB2000 (t | c | m) 10:46, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ I did not "bring up deliberately incorrect information" and would appreciate not being accused of it. Thanks for the answer to my question, but I would prefer if we can keep Wikivoyage fun and tone down the hostility. —Granger (talk · contribs) 22:15, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

It's your responsibility to check what you add is in fact correct in discussion (spam and vandalism are handled very differently); if you can't take responsibility for that, that's frankly your issue, not anyone else's. --SHB2000 (t | c | m) 02:45, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Curious (don't kill me) why we don't just have WP's per user sandbox? Brycehughes (talk) 03:21, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

@Brycehughes: Do you mean something where a link to your personalised sandbox appears in the top right corner? That's not actually that bad of an idea for new users. --SHB2000 (t | c | m) 03:24, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Do we have a personalised sandbox to link to?? Brycehughes (talk) 03:29, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

I mean the WP sandbox is just a link to Special:MyPage/sandbox. --SHB2000 (t | c | m) 03:32, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

When I first joined this website years ago from en.wp I thought the weirdest thing was that they don't have a sandbox where I can practice my edits. Yeah I think it'd be really beneficial to have a link to the "sandbox" for new users. I think there is some verbage somewhere however that says we don't have a sandbox – I remember that. Brycehughes (talk) 03:38, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

For sure; for those who don't love a redlink in their header the option to just create it blank always exists. --SHB2000 (t | c | m) 03:58, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Adding the link might be beneficial, but is spam in userspace any less problematic than spam on the graffiti wall? Neither should turn up unexpectedly in search results – do they? Whether the link would be beneficial for other reasons should be a separate discussion (and no, personally I wouldn't like that bluelink either). –LPfi (talk) 14:29, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

LPfi I'm reasonably sure non-article space on wikis is tagged with norobots (or whatever it is) or flagged as do not scan with the robots.txt (I can't recall the specific lingo but I'm sure you know what I'm talking about). I don't recall ever being able to search non-article space via Google, etc. Brycehughes (talk) 01:33, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

I cannot find "User:" in robots.txt (however, the equivalent "Käyttäjä:", "Användare:" and "Bruker:" are disallowed). Many projects disallow VFD. I cannot find any Wikivoyage-specific entries in the file. I think external links are marked with "nofollow"/"noindex" in all namespaces, which advises search engines not to give any weight to such links (seemingly '<a rel="mw:ExtLink nofollow"…' in article space; I didn't investigate more than superficially). –LPfi (talk) 08:12, 14 November 2024 (UTC)