Talk:Halloween

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Halloween[edit]

Swept in from the pub

Just over Six weeks, possibly less until some of the pre-Halloween October events. If anyone's interested this article could do with some 'seasonal' attention.

Thanks. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 14:59, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

I Will also note that Día de los Muertes is a red link. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 15:02, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
It should be Día de Muertos (in Spanish--in English, it's Day of the Dead). —Justin (koavf)TCM 15:31, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

Rationale for article[edit]

Please make the argument that this is a travel topic with sufficient potential content to be useful as a self-standing article. I'm not saying it's not, but I'd like to know what plans anyone has for enlarging it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:31, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

MY intent was to allow for listings of staged haunted attractions and party events, that were perhaps a bit seasonaly specific for individual region articles, and I've added one already. I've course got no objection to content being merged elsewhere if it fails to develop. Plunge Forward and add the events you'd like to see.
I was needing some feedback as well.
) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 22:36, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
I was planning on adding a few of the events from the National Trust's events pages. Wikivoyage isn't paper, so I'd like to see how doing a 'seasonal' travel topic works.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 22:45, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
There's a Halloween Parade in the Village, New York, NY. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:28, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

Toronto?[edit]

Ontario was settled partly by Empire Loyalists coming North during & after the American Revolution to remain in British-held territory; many of them were New England Puritans. As a result, Ontario had distinctly conservative laws for a long time: no Sunday shopping, having a beer on your own porch was illegal under a public drinking statute, and so on. Much of this has changed by now, of course.

One law forbade men to wear women's clothing except on Halloween. As a result, Toronto's fairly large community of drag queens used to hold a parade on Halloween. I know this was the case in the 1970s, do not know if the tradition is still alive. Pashley (talk) 13:10, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

Web search shows it is more complicated than I described it above. eggs thrown in 70s party this year Pashley (talk) 13:31, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
Feel free to add it, but this article needs a lengthy "Understand" section, fairly soon. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 15:51, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

Mexico[edit]

There is also the Mexican w: Day_of_the_Dead which despite being a different festival entirely coincides. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 15:29, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

Querying if this is OK to link =[edit]

http://www.kew.org/visit-kew-gardens/whats-on/ghosts-myths-and-oddities-explorer-halloween-tour

And no they don't have triffids as far as I know. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 16:03, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

Halloween[edit]

Swept in from the pub

Stubbed, I would appreciate some suggestions on how to expand it. (and possibly on what other secular festivals could be given a 'travel' article.) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 11:32, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

Speaking of which do we have a set of headings/page banner for "festivals"? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 11:38, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
Is "festival" the correct term? To me, it conjures up organized (and sometimes contrived) local events like Mardi Gras in New Orleans or the winter carnival in Quebec City. I also see you've listed a paranormal tourism for deletion, as author. Would it be worth combining these somewhat-related topics? K7L (talk) 14:54, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
Halloween, in some places is like a secular festival, albeit one that isn't as such formally organised (but we can discuss this further if needed), and it was intended to use the article as a focus for the largely stage managed special events, and some cultural practices ( like costume wearing, candy collection), that a traveller might want to know about.
The Paranormal tourism article on the other hand was intended (the deletion debate aside) to be for strange (and fringe) phenomena that are of travel interest the whole year, as opposed to the staged special events for Halloween.
There may be some overlap, but there's a different intent of focus.
ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 15:24, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
So why create an article you are struggling to find content for? The problem I have with this article in its current form is that it is not about travel. I am sure it could be but why start if you have no destinations in mind? We do not have Christmas but we do have Christmas Markets. Carnival/Mardi Gras, would make sense (this year under February) as you would recommend people to visit Venice, Brazil or Cologne so although there are many places around the world that have activities for Halloween, where are the special destinations you would recommend people to visit to experience the festival? --Traveler100 (talk) 19:10, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
The article needs a good understand section, which should:
  • Give the history of Halloween
  • Explain it to somebody who has never heard of it. This should include a para about how it differs from the events it is "not to be confused with".
  • Say which countries it is celebrated in, and how the customs differ between countries. (Guising and turnip lamps in Scotland, trick or treat and pumpkin lamps in the US...)
  • Anything to be aware of if you "stumble" across a Halloween event. (fruit / sweets for children?)
The Do section needs specific examples of the events in all the countries where it is widely celebrated. I am not sure about the London Dungeon listing, which looks an expensive commercial attraction. AlasdairW (talk) 20:53, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
That was added because of a special event they were running, No objection to it's removal.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 11:08, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
Hmm, Anyone up for expanding the Understand section? I'm only familiar with my own local area's traditions which are essentially an excuse for local chains to sell costumes/candy, and as such that isn't necessarily appropriate for Wikivoyage. I've commented out the London Dungeons item, pending a further disscussion about scope.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 11:12, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
Wikipedia's article is of some length, but it would need an expert to unpick key sections of it for Wikivoyage. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 15:31, 6 October 2016 (UTC)


Also if I recall, there are some communities that don't do Halloween, which is something the article should probably mention. Anyone with more specfic information? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 11:14, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
If this article can't be expanded by others, than I've got no objections to it being merged elsewhere. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 11:22, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
Hmm - No takers? Perhaps a merge would be better? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 10:41, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

Partial rewrite[edit]

I have rewritten the intro & Understand section, partly just what seemed like good ideas to me & partly attempting to deal with the criticisms above. This needs comment, criticism & perhaps expansion. Other section still need attention. Pashley (talk) 15:15, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

Improvements for 2018[edit]

Okay so I've rolled over the dates for some events.. Any thoughts on what could be added, if anything to make this even more usable? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 09:56, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Hmm - w:Geography_of_Halloween#Europe it does seem to mostly be US/UK... Maybe someone could pick out some of the Irish/Scots stuff from the Wikipedia article for the understand section? Outside the US/UK there seems to be other unrelated festivals though.. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 19:13, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
Also - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punkie_Night , which was the Westcountry country trick or treating at some historical date in the past. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 19:47, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

In 2019: the problem remains that Halloween is so ubiquitous in western societies, it's barely a travel topic. Is there some large English-speaking community that doesn't know what it's about, and would appreciate an explanation? What do they do in India or Malaysia? My guess is, if they speak English they know all about it - or at least the merchandising operation's version of it.

Could add a bit more background: autumn was when you cleared the waste from the fields, made a bonfire of it, and slugged down the last of the summer cider. Religious authority discouraged it as ungodly, but then along came Guy Fawkes. A grateful England simply transferred the revelry to 5 Nov: look we're showing our delight that this terrible plot was thwarted (and had it succeeded, we would nowadays speak with horror of "5/11") so anyone who blights the event must be disloyal. Halloween became a very minor event, on a par with pancake-tossing on Shrove Tuesday, until mercantilised in the late 20th C. Grahamsands (talk) 12:31, 9 September 2019 (UTC)