Talk:South Australia

Formatting and language conventions For articles about South Australia, please use the 12-hour clock to show times, e.g. 9AM-noon and 6PM-midnight. Please show prices in this format: $100, and not AUD 100, 100 dollars or A$100. Please use South Australian spelling which is the same as Australian spelling, but harbour is harbor. (e.g. Outer Harbor, Franklin Harbor, Rosetta Harbor, Victor Harbor, Blanche Harbor and Yatala Harbor.)

City list

Should the list of cities be shortened or left like this? (WT-en) Jamboo 09:06, 22 March 2008 (EDT)

Banner change?

The current banner basically shows the sea with some low hills in the distance. Would anyone mind if I replace with something more interesting such as the Flinders ranges or the Barrossa valley? Andrewssi2 (talk) 05:27, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Better late than never :)

Existing banner - view of Port Lincoln from a distance

Proposal 1: Hallet Cove

Proposal 2: Flinders ranges

Any preferences? --Andrewssi2 (talk) 10:14, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

I do agree a new banner would be nice! I prefer Proposal 1 the most I think. James A ▪ talk 10:33, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

With the caveat that I don't know the state, Proposal 1 is by far the most striking of the banners. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:58, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

I would say the Flinders Ranges are more representative of the state as a whole, however I agree that the 1st is a more striking image. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 20:08, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Therein lies the rub, I can relate to long car journeys crossing the state, and the Flinders kmage relates to driving through endless rolling low hills, so 2... JarrahTree (talk) 14:03, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

I'm stuck.. The more striking banner or the more representative banner.... maybe more opinions? --Andrewssi2 (talk) 10:14, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Banners don't always have to be representative. Sometimes highlighting a lesser-known part of the region is a good thing. James A ▪ talk 11:28, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Exactly we do not need to get stuck on this, there is always the option of alternating in time as well JarrahTree (talk) 22:44, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

OK, I think consensus has been reached. Absolutely it can be changed later. Andrewssi2 (talk) 02:52, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Maybe it's just me, but I prefer the one of the Flinders Ranges. After all, excluding Kangaroo Island, the Flinders Ranges are by far what the state is known for when it comes to natural attractions. With that being said, I think an image of a winery is the most representative but @The dog2 who's lived in SA before might have a different opinion. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:32, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

I haven't changed my mind: Proposal 1 (the current banner now) is by far the most striking of these 3. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:57, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Banner 3

How about this one on the right? It's representative of the state's wine regions, and I'd really like something that's not of natural scenery since all our state articles for Australia feature something natural. (there used to be Tasmania but we switched because Tas is well known for its natural scenery) --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:08, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

That's nice, but how distinctive is it? -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:44, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

In the Australian context, South Australia is mostly known for its wines. If you ever visit Adelaide, it is noticeably less cosmopolitan and more laid back than Sydney, Melbourne or Perth (I'm not comparing it with Brisbane because I was 7 years old when I last visited Brisbane). When people visit Adelaide, the main attraction is the vineyards in the nearby wine regions. And there is still one winery within the Adelaide metropolitan area, and a very nice but expensive fine dining restaurant overlooking the vineyard. The dog2 (talk) 16:16, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Right, but can the viewer really tell we're looking at South Australia? That's what I mean by "distinctive." Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:01, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

I don't know, but I don't think the above three fall into that criterion as well. The banner currently used in National parks in Australia could work, but as the state is mostly known for its wineries, I'm not sure whether we should use that one – it's got some wineries, but the Flinders Ranges take the spotlight. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 06:58, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Map for South Australia

The regions for South Australia are quite a mess. I created a potential map for this article.

Map source:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/20/Australia_South_Australia_location_map.svg

Map reference:

https://www.sa.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0019/9442/SA_Government_regions_State_map.pdf

Please comment if you can. Andrewssi2 (talk) 08:08, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

South Australia regions - Color-coded map

Adelaide Region Adelaide, the state's capital and its surrounds have plenty to offer for tourists and travellers. The Adelaide Hills surround Adelaide on the eastern side and have small villages with lots of history and lots of natural wonders.

Fleurieu Peninsula South of Adelaide, the gateway to Kangaroo Island and home to coastal villages where you can escape to.

Barossa Valley The home of some of Australia's best wines, the Barossa Valley is the reason why many travel to South Australia. Besides wines, there's lots of history to see here too.

Yorke Peninsula Where South Australians go for their holidays. Enjoy beaches, national parks, and more.

Murray & Mallee The area surrounding the winding Murray River; South Australia's fruit-growing areas.

Kangaroo Island Off the coast of mainland Australia, Australia's third-biggest island contains a vast amount of natural beauty unique to this part of Australia.

Limestone Coast The south-eastern part of the state, home to the city of Mount Gambier. Also home to the well-renowned wine region of Coonawarra.

Eyre Peninsula Where 2,000 kilometres of coastline and spectacular scenery meets treeless plains and desert. Home to the cities of Port Lincoln and Whyalla.

Outback The Flinders Ranges are home to Wilpena Pound, a spectacular natural amphitheatre and a great base for walking and exploring. The Southern Flinders Ranges extend down toward the east of the city of Port Augusta and include the 6,000 hectare Mount Remarkable National Park. In the north the Simpson Desert also presents its own adventures and opportunities.

I appreciate this is a better division that was here previously, but the Clare Valley really doesn't belong on the Yorke Peninsula. That's a very geographical region. Could I suggest that rather than rework the regions wholesale, that we link the Clare with the Barossa. They're are both linked, and have a similar geography and tourist aspect? Inas (talk) 06:44, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

We could link Clare Valley to Barossa Valley. My concern is mostly that Clare Valley would be overshadowed by Barossa... Andrewssi2 (talk) 01:57, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

Just like real life then :-) Inas (talk) 02:27, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

Actually, how about we split York into Yorke Peninsula and w:Mid_North. The latter should cover Clare Valley? Andrewssi2 (talk) 07:12, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

Equally happy with that. So mid north is the Yorke that's not on the peninsula?? Inas (talk) 09:35, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

Location of Mid-North

Yes, see the map here. I'm really impressed about South Australia having so many regions with practically no-one living there :) I spent a year in Adelaide and can say that there is are a lot of great things in this state. Andrewssi2 (talk) 10:48, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

Hmm.. Thinking now (after reading that). The official tourism regions of South Australia Adelaide, Adelaide Hills, Clare Valley, Barossa Valley, Eyre Pen, Yorke Pen, Riverland, Limestone Coast, Murray, Flinders & Outback, Fleurieu Pen, Kangaroo, That's twelve. All our regions map one-to-one on to those regions, but we seem to have merged Clare into Yorke, and Hills into Adelaide, and omitted Riverland. Hills into Adelaide kind of makes sense - it's a subregion. I'm not sure we get much from creating another region of mid-north that's not very descriptive, and stealing part of the surround regions to make it. Seeing we're so close to the official regions anyway, I'd say we just bite the bullet and add the missing two. Inas (talk) 22:24, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

So create Clare and Hills? Andrewssi2 (talk) 22:57, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

Which 9 "Cities"?

Per this site's 7+2 guidelines, there should be no more than 9 cities in the "Cities" section (and no more can be included in "Other destinations", either, because other destinations are not cities, nor towns, villages, etc.), but there are now 10. So which one should be removed? Here's the current list:

• 1 Adelaide — the state capital
• 2 Coober Pedy — opal mining and underground houses
• 3 Mount Gambier — in the south-east of the state, home to the famous Blue Lake
• 4 Murray Bridge — centre of South Australia's farming area
• 5 Port Augusta — at the top of Spencer Gulf at the very east of the Eyre Peninsula, gateway to the Flinders Ranges
• 6 Port Lincoln — at the bottom of the Eyre Peninsula and a good base for seeing this part of the state
• 7 Port Pirie — city centred on the mining economy, but centrally located to most attractions in the state
• 8 Oodnadatta - desert frontier town, the old Ghan railway use to pass through here
• 9 Victor Harbor — coastal playground to the south of Adelaide
• 10 Whyalla — mining town halfway down the Eyre Peninsula

Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:51, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

@Ikan Kekek: oops. didn't read this thread. I've started a new proposal below. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:13, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Oh no! There's 10 cities

Since there are 10 cities here, and this is a non-bottom level region here:

• 11 Adelaide — the state capital
• 12 Coober Pedy — opal mining and underground houses
• 13 Mount Gambier — in the south-east of the state, home to the famous Blue Lake
• 14 Murray Bridge — centre of South Australia's farming area
• 15 Port Augusta — at the top of Spencer Gulf at the very east of the Eyre Peninsula, gateway to the Flinders Ranges
• 16 Port Lincoln — at the bottom of the Eyre Peninsula and a good base for seeing this part of the state
• 17 Port Pirie — city centred on the mining economy, but centrally located to most attractions in the state
• 18 Oodnadatta — desert frontier town, the old Ghan railway use to pass through here
• 19 Victor Harbor — coastal playground to the south of Adelaide
• 20 Whyalla — mining town halfway down the Eyre Peninsula

We need to cut one of them. The few that can't be cut is Adelaide, Pt. Lincoln, Mt. Gambier, Coober Pedy and Victor Harbor. Pt. Augusta is a may but either Murray Bridge, Pt. Pirie or Whyalla need to be cut out. Given that I don't have too much experience with South Australia as the rest of the east coast, but if I had to pick one to cut, it would be Whyalla, but maybe @Vaticidalprophet: who'd have a better knowledge and better experience comment? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:12, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

I wouldn't be inclined to cut Whyalla -- it's pretty big and regionally significant. Maybe Port Pirie. Neither it nor Port Augusta is a particularly tourist-attracting place. Vaticidalprophet (talk) 08:04, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Pt. Augusta is at least one of our better developed SA articles. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:22, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Could Coober Pedy be listed in “other destinations”? --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 10:40, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Given that it's the biggest tourist spot outside the South East and the only really decently sized town in the outback, I'd say not. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:19, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

But I believe Oodnadatta might qualify, but I'd like it to stay in the main destinations section given the hard to pronounce name (too me a couple of months) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:21, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ Done. Removed Port Pirie since that was one universal one that no one agreed to keep. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:27, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Major structural changes to national parks

The SA government has just announced four new national parks in South Australia, including what would be Australia's new largest which is twice the size of Wales. Thankfully, we have no articles affected as noone has chosen to start them yet, but if there's any page saying Kakadu National Park is the largest park in Australia, then it would need to be fixed to second largest park. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:38, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Static map

I replaced the existing static map, File:Australia South Australia map.png, with File:South Australia regions map.png, which took me a good day to trace, but is higher in quality, more detailed and more user-friendly. Anyone objects to this? Any feedback would also be appreciated, too! --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 13:32, 25 June 2023 (UTC)