User talk:KevRobbAU

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Hello KevRobbAU! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

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Thanks for starting the Barraba article. Please note that a travel guide doesn't use footnotes, and that the pagebanner you added has the wrong proportions (should be 7:1, and at least 1800 px, or preferably 2100px or more wide).

--Ypsilon (talk) 09:52, 1 September 2019 (UTC)


I just want to say, I love what you're doing! We've for years suffered from the bad edits of a vandal who uses Telstra. This guy creates nearly blank articles about tiny villages that are useless, sometimes with swathes of plagiarized text from Wikipedia or even regular "copyright, all rights reserved" sites. You, instead, create articles about tiny villages and then fill them with real content that's useful for people who want to spend time in rural Australia. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:03, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Yes some great contributions here. --Traveler100 (talk) 07:11, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
Thank you all. This is a steep learning curve for me, so I apologise if I come across confused or ill-tempered. KevRobbAU (talk) 10:14, 13 November 2019 (UTC)


Is this someone trying to mimic you or a duplicate account of yours? --Traveler100 (talk) 13:17, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Yes, it's me. I speak several languages and try to keep the accounts separate. Looks like I failed in this case! KevRobbAU (talk) 10:15, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Section and sub-section headings[edit]

Rather than get into an edit undoing loop, information on section names and usage can be found at Wikivoyage:Article skeleton templates/Sections. Do not want to stop your great contributions, just was making minor edits to Tingha to keep to current naming conventions. And not being rude here but take a look at Wikivoyage:Where you can stick it, I did not pick that title :-) . --Traveler100 (talk) 11:27, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Indeed. Please look at my last two edit summaries in the history of the Tingha article. We have no "Contact" section: The section is "Connect", and it covers mobile phone connectivity and the like. But no need for me to repeat myself here; look at the edit summaries at the link. Ikan Kekek (talk) 12:31, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for all your advice and help! KevRobbAU (talk) 10:16, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Why to go next[edit]

Hi, KevRobbAU, and thanks for your great work! About the "Go next" section, your directions are great, but what I'm not seeing is anything about why a traveler would want to visit Town X or Town Y. Have a look at 1-liner listings for some ideas, but basically, in "Go next", it's good to very briefly summarize what the draw is for Towns A, B, and C. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:40, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Almost all of the places in the region I'm writing about don't have an entry, or their entry is not up to standard. I am slowly working my way through writing entries for those places, and it takes me at least two days to research, type-up, and publish and entry - even for the little hamlets. I don't see the point right now in writing a 1-liner for a place that doesn't have an entry, or its entry is, frankly, rubbish.
Almost all of these places, excepting annual events in some, are not so much destinations but pass-through places - a traveller is more likely to want to know where they can get fuel, food, and somewhere to sleep overnight or somewhere to stay if their car breaks down. That's why I include so many entries in the Go Next sections - it's useful, necessary, and important to travellers in that part to know how far away their destination is, how long it will roughly take, and where along the way there is fuel, food, etc. - the distances are so great with so few facilities and amenities in between. I have have had people from Barraba and Bundarra thank me in private for the work I have done on Wikivoyage. They either didn't realise that there are so many things to see and do, and some have said my information was useful in deciding in relocating for a "tree change".
I'm not as 'salesman' nor do I have a diploma in tourism - I can't write a sales pitch. I can only write 'Come for the birdwatching, come for the fishing' a few times. I feel I have more important work to do in getting articles created in Wikivoyage and linked with Wikipedia. These places have been doing it tough with 10-year drought, bushfires, floods, and now Covid-19 lockdown, they need as much help as they can get it getting themselves out there and getting their communities back on their feet, and their local councils provide little or no help when it comes to tourism promotion. I'm doing 99%-100% of the heavy work in getting these entries published to the standard they are - I think that's enough on my part. If someone else wants to write 1-liners in the meantime, they can go for it. There's other entries with more serious issues than a lack of 1-liners.
KevRobbAU (talk) 14:07, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
I think you're selling your writing ability short. Your reply was very convincing. But I would say "last fuel, food and lodging available for 100 km" would be a fine 1-liner listing. Yes, even if it's repetitive. (By the way, one little trick in talk page threads is to put one or more colons at the beginning of paragraphs to indent in order of posting.) Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:29, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Abusing administrator privileges[edit]

This is an accusation that I take very seriously. I would appreciate it if you would explain in what way I have abused my administrator privileges so that I can reflect on my actions. Thank you. Ground Zero (talk) 02:34, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

I object to your heavy-handed approach to this whole matter. I object to you forcing your opinion on a topic you clearly demonstrate that you have neither knowledge or experience. Your entire manner is bullying and intimidating without the slightest doubt. I know that if I pushed the issue further you would have used your administrative privileges to silence me. You have shown nothing but bad will in this whole business. Your actions demonstrate that are trying to dominate this. This is not about me being thin-skinned, this about you being abusive. There are none so blind as those who do not want to see and those who do not want to hear. Let me be even more blunt - I didn't write those articles to benefit you - so back off. This whole affair started with your heavy-handedness and arrogance in dealing with my entries - there would have been no blow-back if you had taken a more serious and professional path. Are you really for the travellers, or for yourself? Maybe it's you that should think about how you do things here - not me. You've gone from hero to zero in 48 hours in my book. I'm happy to resolve this, but in all resolutions you don't always get your way - including you. My accusation will stand until I get an apology.

KevRobbAU (talk) 02:44, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

In light of your comment on the Manilla Talk page, I unreservedly withdraw my accusations.

KevRobbAU (talk) 03:09, 3 March 2021 (UTC)