Wikivoyage talk:Archive of Wikitravel (not Wikivoyage) milestones

First time the Recent Changes turns over in less than 24 hours

First time the travelwiki server keels over under the strain of too many requests.

First specialised travelwiki search script created

First time a script has to be removed for rendering the database unusable...

First flamewar

First person to leave the project in a huff

LOL I'm not really serious... I see pleasing signs of contribution while I've been sick - I haven't been pushed off the Recent Changes table in three days, but it's getting close. I'll try to start contributing again now I'm not flat on my back(WT-en) KJ 20:21, 21 Aug 2003 (PDT)

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Can I claim First Wikitravel Field Researcher title if I travel to the Deutsches Museum in Munich this week and write about it? ;-) Obviously nobody else has put a claim to that yet here, so... :-) --(WT-en) Nils 06:06, 22 Mar 2004 (EST)

3000 articles !

The 3 languages projects together have more than 3000 articles ! (WT-en) Yann 05:47, 30 Jul 2004 (EDT)

2500 articles

Chichester seems to be the 2500th article on the English Wikitravel — worth publicizing on the front page? (WT-en) Jpatokal 05:19, 23 Sep 2004 (EDT)

Yes! --(WT-en) Evan 14:01, 23 Sep 2004 (EDT)

An Other Milestone?

One of our Project:Milestones is the "First report of someone using Wikitravel article(s) for travel". See Talk:Taiwan#Thanx for the guide. Isn't that our milestone? -- (WT-en) Hansm 13:56, 2004 Sep 23 (EDT)

Now it is! (WT-en) Jpatokal 07:26, 7 Oct 2004 (EDT)

4000 articles

If I am not mistaken, the English version has more than 4000 real articles (whatever real means ;-)) Sadly it wasn't me marking number 4000... (WV-en) Felix.

Factbookectomy

Swept in from the Pub:

Ahem.

As far as I can tell, there are no articles left in Wikitravel (not counting archives or reference copies) which consist entirely, primarily, or substantially of CIA World Factbook imports.

If you manage to find any, please plunge forward and fix it yourself.

I do have to say: de-factbooking the last few dozen remaining imports the past couple days was a rather interesting excursion through many tiny little islands, some vast swaths of Africa, and... how did Mexico manage to go so long without a full factbookectomy?

- (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 15:02, 5 June 2006 (EDT)

Congratulations! Here's a millstone milestone to wear around your neck. Would you happen to remember what was the last one? (WT-en) Jpatokal 05:03, 7 June 2006 (EDT)

Breadcrumbs

Archived from the Pub:

Project:Milestones mentions getting all CIA factbook imports edited away. I think all the external links sections are gone. I've been hitting "random page" and finding breadcrumbless articles to fix, but that works poorly now; most articles have the navigation hierarchy breadcrumbs. Is there a way to search for all articles without breadcrumbs? Maybe we could fix them all and declare another milestone. (WT-en) Pashley 21:26, 26 September 2006 (EDT)

I think all the external links sections are gone - two left: Buying or renting a car in Australia#External links -&- Hitchhiking in Europe#External links ~ 203.144.143.5 05:43, 27 September 2006 (EDT)

I dont think we'll ever be completely breadcrumbed - people will always create articles and leave them without the isin, so it's probably not worth putting on the milestone page! (WT-en) Tim 17:51, 30 October 2006 (EST)

Just curious; why not put the isIn tag in the blank page template? --(WT-en) justfred 18:46, 30 October 2006 (EST)

I just did that for the blank region template because I was getting tired of writing it in myself. Hopefully not a problem! --(WT-en) Peterfitzgerald ^Talk 20:05, 10 April 2007 (EDT)

One million edits on en:

Not an "official" milestone, but it's interesting to note that the English Wikitravel surpassed 1,000,000 edits today. (WT-en) Jpatokal 08:32, 4 November 2008 (EST)

Who hit the milestone? (WT-en) Nrms 08:40, 4 November 2008 (EST)

I don't think there's any way to find out (at least after it happened), Special:Statistics just reports the total count. (WT-en) Jpatokal 04:33, 7 November 2008 (EST)

20,000

Swept in from the pub:

almost there people woo hoo --72.73.88.235 11:49, 22 November 2008 (EST)

We've hit it! → Sarrebruck. Sadly, our 20,000th article is in French... --(WT-en) Peter ^Talk 15:29, 22 November 2008 (EST)

Seriously, dude, isn't it Fort Saskatchewan? After I created it I looked at the main page and it turned to 20,000 I remember precisely! I know! Keep Smiling, (WT-en) edmontonenthusiast [ee] ^.T.A.L.K. 15:36, 22 November 2008 (EST).

Ack, you are right—I jumped on that too quickly. Anyway, I'm glad that our 20,000th isn't an accidental article in French ;) --(WT-en) Peter ^Talk 15:45, 22 November 2008 (EST)

Haha, Peter you're hilarious! So long as that's cleared up I'm happy to have contributed to such a monumental thing. Keep Smiling, (WT-en) edmontonenthusiast [ee] ^.T.A.L.K. 15:47, 22 November 2008 (EST).

Funny thing is, there is already an article in French for that destination! --(WT-en) AHeneen 03:42, 24 November 2008 (EST)

It looks like one was copied from the other -- note the [edit] links in the prose on the fr: version. (WT-en) LtPowers 08:40, 24 November 2008 (EST)

50k articles

Swept in from the pub

I've already posted this message on Shared, but wanted to make sure people here didn't miss it:

FYI, we're about to hit 50,000 articles across all language versions in the next two–three weeks or so! Sounds to me like a good time for a press release, preferably in multiple languages. --(WT-en) Peter ^Talk 16:54, 17 August 2009 (EDT)

To that end I've been keeping stats on a google spreadsheet as long back as the data is uniform, was going to upload the graphs when we hit the mark, but if someone does a press release, it might be useful to have the spreadsheet and graphs (note that I'm on a really wide screen so it's probably going to look rubbish on narrower screens :oD )--(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) ^Talk 17:39, 17 August 2009 (EDT)

Curiously we'll hit around 2 million total edits at just about the same time if I'm not mistaken --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) ^Talk 17:40, 17 August 2009 (EDT)

It's official wts:Multilingual statistics -- Wikitravel now has 50076 articles! (WT-en) Jpatokal 06:51, 21 August 2009 (EDT)

Double posting again (from Shared): my comment looks a little silly now! I think we actually hit 50,000 articles at 06:44, 17 August 2009 GMT. And the 50,000th article was en:Charlotte Pass. (If I haven't made any accounting errors.) --(WT-en) Peter ^Talk 18:48, 21 August 2009 (EDT)

I'll take your word for it, but can I ask how you figured that out? (WT-en) Jpatokal 01:59, 22 August 2009 (EDT)

Accounting error #1 discovered—it should be en:Khancoban at 07:00, 17 August 2009 GMT.

I checked the newpages logs across all language versions that increased their page count over the last period. There were 78 articles created from 00:00 17 August 2009 CST (Chicago time: GMT-5) to the time of the StatScript update. From there, it was just a matter of finding which was the third article created on 17 Aug (on Chicago time), and that's Khancoban. I'd trust this better, though, if someone else looked into it and came up with the same result.

The only part of this work that was a pain was having to log in to all these versions & setting the date/time in my preferences for each and every one... --(WT-en) Peter ^Talk 17:13, 22 August 2009 (EDT)

Wikitravel in the news

Swept in from the pub:

Australian news sites have Wiki threat to guidebooks running in the travel section at the moment - (WT-en) Cardboardbird 23:05, 12 March 2011 (EST)

First bans

I removed the "first banned user" and "first banned IP" as milestones as I don't think those are events worth recording for posterity. If anyone disagrees please revert and we can discuss, but this page generally captures good events in Wikitravel's history, and bans are not good events. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 16:33, 20 May 2011 (EDT)

Big number, big number

Swept in from the pub

Folks, we have surpassed 25,000 articles on the English version of Wikitravel, and we hardly knew it! (Partially because StatScript seems to need some repairs.) The honors appear to have gone out on 17 June 2011 to the modest country town of Trowbridge, Wiltshire in the southwest of England. --(WT-en) Peter ^Talk 17:23, 31 July 2011 (EDT)

Dear old Trowbridge. That's probably the most important thing that town has ever been involved in :) --(WT-en) Burmesedays 20:48, 8 August 2011 (EDT)

Vfd discussion

Moved discussion from Wikivoyage:Travellers' pub.

There are several WT project pages that have nothing to do with Wikivoyage and are not needed for historical purposes.

• Project:10K Party
• Project:Archive of Wikitravel (not Wikivoyage) awards
• Project:Archive of Wikitravel (not Wikivoyage) milestones
• Project:Archive of Wikitravel (not Wikivoyage) press coverage
• Project:Archive of Wikitravel (not Wikivoyage) logo contest
• Project:Archive of Wikitravel (not Wikivoyage) logo contest entries
• Project:Archive of Wikitravel (not Wikivoyage) logo contest results
• Project:Archive of Wikitravel (not Wikivoyage) logo voting page

We will develop our own history as time passes and these pages are from a fork that really has nothing to do with us and are not needed for any type of history that applies to Wikivoyage. I think these pages and links to them should be deleted. And any other pages that apply to WT only and are not needed to justify policies we are continuing on Wikivoyage. All of these pages will have equivalent Wikivoyage pages now and in the future. If someone wants to know the information covered in those pages, then they should visit WT. What are the thoughts of others? Should we start a discussion page on this? - Tom Holland (Xltel) (talk) 07:34, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Oppose. Bear in mind that the history of Wikitravel up to the last data dump IS our history, along with the history of Wikivoyage between the fork and the reconnect, and all that has happened since. We who were Wikitravel have no need to pretend that we were not Wikitravel. Our disagreement was not with the community of contributors or with our past, it was with IB, who in spite of owning the name and the server, are not the people or the content. I do not support suppression or denial of that history. • • • Peter (Southwood) ^(talk): 12:07, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

I understand your point and I agree totally that Wikitravel is "MY" history and our history and I am not ever going to pretend it was not my/our history. This is "our" history and I am not suggesting anyone pretend we did not come from Wikitravel or that there is any disagreement with the Wikitravel community in the past. I have been a big part of that Wikitravel past very active as an Administrator/contributor and will be a part of the future of WV. I have tried my best to help WV with edits and cleanup where I could and will continue. But as time goes on some of these older pages may get a bit more muddy and confusing to new Wikivoyagers. We have changed "Wikitravel" to "Wikivoyage" just about everywhere on the site including talk pages when were talking specifically about Wiki""travel"". To be honest I don't really like that very much and it causes additional confusion in my opinion, but I figured there were legal issues (I apologize I have not read all the comments and discussions in that area). I never thought it was a purge of "our" history. When I was on Wikitravel in my past life and put comments on a talk pages and mentioned Wikitravel it was about Wikitravel, but now all my references and everyone's references to Wikitravel have been changed to Wikivoyage. If you go to User talk:Xltel/Mar 2006 you can see where I was welcomed to "Wikivoyage" in December 2005, but we know that is not the case. I am now on Wikivoyage and as we go forward I expect we will get farther apart from the content, policies, goals and overall objectives of Wikitravel. New people will have new ideas and as time goes on we will move farther apart from where WT and WV are now. Please don't think I have any difference in agreement whatsoever in your comments, just looking for some better organization on the old Wikitravel content going forward, maybe deleting is not the solution and possibly the way it is now is the best way to keep it. My comment on not needing it for historical purposes really applies to they are not needed to explain development of policy. Obviously, there is no rush or need to delete anything and we can discuss organization of our history going forward. Happy New Year! - Tom Holland (Xltel) (talk) 17:40, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Hi Tom, next time when you nominate something for deletion, please do so at Wikivoyage:Votes for deletion. @Peter, I agree with you but then at-least we should have some information on this site about our (WV) background so that people who will join this community sooner may learn about our history. Happy new year everybody! --Saqib (talk) 18:46, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

I agree with Peter. These historical pages should be kept, albeit perhaps in an archive section or tagged as historical.

I also agree with Tom, and perhaps go farther than he would. To me it seems obvious that, except where there are compelling legal reasons not to, the WT->WV substitutions on talk pages should all be undone. Pashley (talk) 20:51, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

I concur, though I fear it may be too late for the latter. LtPowers (talk) 22:16, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

The WT→WV substititions are particularly annoying on pages such as User:(WT-en) IBobi, where it says that Internet Brands owns Wikivoyage. It would be nice to have those undone, but maybe there are legal reasons not to. --Stefan2 (talk) 21:49, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

We should try and undo substitutions that don't make sense by hand. Most substitutions were OK, though, since most mentions are just referring to our project, and it is the same project, albeit with less-douchey hosts and a different name. --Peter ^Talk 23:53, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

• Keep per Peter S. --Peter ^Talk 23:53, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Outcome: kept. --Peter ^Talk 22:50, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Log

Where can I find logs for before 2013? 208.91.96.21 12:32, 20 May 2014 (UTC)