Talk:Cricket

No article on Watching Cricket matches?

Swept in from the pub

So ,where to start? 80.176.129.180 14:50, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

Look at other articles about watching sport (a very odd expression for an American, where we watch sports and not "sport", but I digress, and we're talking about cricket here), and consider using similar sections with related content. Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:07, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

I have thought about a cricket article many times. The problem is I want to make the article at usable status straight away instead of a skeleton or outline but I'm too lazy and/or busy to do that right now. Also I don't know if it's better to make a general cricket article or one based on location (Cricket in the UK, Australia, India, Caribbean, etc.) Another to thing to note is that there is more to sports tourism than watching the actual games. There are museums dedicated to the sport, residences of famous players and halls of fame. Gizza ^(roam) 11:11, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

I actually put it on the requested article list a long time ago.... I would have started an article myself but I really don't know much about Cricket (apparently there is an official tea break and their idea of speeding up games is them taking one day instead of several... ) but imho the approach to make a general topic before making Cricket in x articles works better. Not least because you will have to explain the game to ignorant folk like me. What's a wicket? Hobbitschuster (talk) 11:29, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

I have just started Cricket. As it is a long time since I have played cricket, it would be good if others could join in. AlasdairW (talk) 00:05, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

Test

Should this word be capitalised or not? I see it both ways in the article; only one should be chosen (except for obvious proper names, which should be capitalised, regardless). Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:11, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

It is capitalised on Wikipedia and most news websites so that would be the way to go IMO. Gizza ^(roam) 03:30, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Alright. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:08, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Done. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:10, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Listings

I suggest that listings should be confined to the relevant city / destination page, with this page just an overview. I'm migrating English cricket grounds & clubs accordingly. Grahamsands (talk) 10:49, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

@Grahamsands:, I believe this article was based on the structure used in American football, which is the highest quality sports-related article on Wikivoyage. Whatever structure is agreed upon (with or without listings) should probably be consistently applied across all sport articles. Perhaps a discussion in the pub is in order. Gizza ^(roam) 22:17, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

@DaGizza:, I took this to the talk page on spectator sports. Grahamsands (talk) 17:51, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

Links

The_Flashman_Papers#Flashman's Lady discusses cricket, the game is a plot element in several P.G. Wodehouse novels, and Douglas Adams has satire, see w:Life,_the_Universe_and_Everything#References_to_the_sport_of_cricket. Probably there are others I do not know about.

Should any of these have links in this article? Pashley (talk) 13:42, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Terminology

@Grahamsands: Since you're the main one working on this, I think we should explain what a "hat trick" and a "century' refer to, since these are terms you will likely come across when reading sports news. Also, I think we need to explain what a four and a six are, because you need to know this in order to understand the game you are watching. Also, the difference between Test, ODI and Twenty20 cricket needs to be mentioned, because you will come across those terms when watching cricket. If you're a tourist who wants to watch a cricket match when visiting England for example, you'll need to know what these refer to in order to plan your schedule properly. The dog2 (talk) 22:55, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree with what The dog2 mentioned – most people would have no idea what they mean. Unfortunately, I know nowt about these terms, despite having family from a cricket-loving country. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 09:05, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Agree, that's in hand. There's a balance to be struck - we probably don't need to explain "yorker", "bouncer", "mankad" etc, but your examples are common enough. Views please on gender-specific terms such as "batsman". Since it is so engrained, I'm inclined to start with that term but move swiftly away to "batter" without labouring the point. Grahamsands (talk) 14:47, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

I don't know much about women's cricket, but my impression is that traditionally, "batter" is used in baseball while "batsman" is used in cricket. I think we should just use the most common term here. It's not WV's duty to advocate for or against the usage of specific terminology. We just state what the most common terminology is. If the day comes when "batsman" is regarded as sexist and gets phased out in favour of a more gender neutral term, we can then make changes to this article. The dog2 (talk) 16:30, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

As a baseball fan who doesn't know too much about cricket, I'd cite "sticky wicket" as an important term to explain, in addition to others that were mentioned above. Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:44, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

I've made passing reference to that in the lede, the point is that such terms (and there are dozens) have a meaning of their own outside cricket.

I'm now offline for one week, resuming play on Tu 19 Sept. Grahamsands (talk) 21:16, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

I think in an article about cricket, the main point is what meaning they have in the context of a cricket match. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:39, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

They don't, actually. They've evolved so far from their original meaning that if you hear them nowadays at a match, they're probably intended ironically. "Sticky wicket" might mean someone's had an altercation with the barmaid, or a seagull crapped on his seat.

@The dog2: There is no mention of the cricket grounds on the city pages of Ipoh, George Town or KL. That's where all such listings belong, with just a cross-reference here. For Perth we had the nonsense that the main stadium (replacing WACA) had no mention six years after it opened. Grahamsands (talk) 10:34, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

@Grahamsands: The one for KL is in the district article. Dataran Merdeka is the cricket ground for the Royal Selangor Club. I have added descriptions in the George Town and Ipoh articles. I was thinking if we should add listings for Singapore too, since the Padang was originally a cricket ground under British colonial rule, and is still used for cricket matches by the Singapore Cricket Club and Singapore Recreation Club, which are located at opposite ends of the Padang. Back during colonial times, the Singapore Cricket Club was a whites-only establishment, so the Singapore Recreation Club was founded to serve the Eurasian community. The Asians weren't allowed in either of them, so they had to found their own separate clubs elsewhere, which is why the Ceylon Spots Club and Indian Association have a separate cricket ground outside the city centre, which is also a historical landmark. However, cricket is generally not a popular sport among locals in Singapore, and tends to be played mostly by immigrants and expatriates from South Asia, England, Australia and New Zealand. The dog2 (talk) 15:55, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Cricket sixes

@Grahamsands: Is this format common enough to be worth a mention? I believe most amateur cricket tournaments are in this format, but I could be wrong. The dog2 (talk) 20:26, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Dunno, and maybe confusing. Six-a-side is the frantic game played for example in Hong Kong, maybe worth a line there. But Sixes Cricket is a franchise in England offering net sessions as corporate entertainment, the new paintball. Grahamsands (talk) 20:38, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

@Grahamsands: Oh, so it isn't played in England? I believe it's played in Malaysia too, but between clubs and not national teams. See . The dog2 (talk) 20:55, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

A google search for "six a side cricket in - " nets passing mention for Australia but nil relevant to England, India, South Africa or the Windies, so it's not a common format. Its disadvantage for an amateur side is that (like Rugby 7s) it demands real fitness, there's no hiding place on that empty field, no sleepy Cow Corner where you post your most inept player. Grahamsands (talk) 08:10, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

New Zealand

@Grahamsands: Do you think the cricket grounds in Dunedin and Christchurch, and perhaps other cities, should be mentioned? The dog2 (talk) 20:45, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

I'm about to add all those that contest the Plunket Shield. Grahamsands (talk) 12:16, 5 October 2023 (UTC) Done

Third-tier countries

@Grahamsands: Are there any sides we should cover specifically here? Hong Kong had ODI status from 2014-2018, and they're one of the perennial contenders to regain ODI status. And because of the history of British colonial rule, even though it does not have the mass popularity you see in India or Australia, it does have an integral part in Hong Kong culture. And the Hong Kong cricket team is still stronger than the Chinese team, the latter of which rarely plays international matches (and did not field a team in the Asian Games which they just hosted). Malaysia is also one of the stronger third tier teams, and actually came pretty close to beating Bangladesh in the recent Asian Games, losing by only 2 runs. I'm a bit more on the fence about Singapore, since it's most certainly a weaker side than Malaysia or Hong Kong, but it did beat Zimbabwe in 2019, which means it has registered a victory against a Test side. The dog2 (talk) 15:11, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

I reckon not, unless / until they upstage to ODI or qualify for a major tournament. Your points are worth mentioning on the specific country pages, but covering all 88 here doesn't seem reasonable. For Hong Kong as I understand it both Kowloon and HK CCs are private clubs, so they're not spectator venues or travel POIs, and I would politely invite them to go and eat worms. Grahamsands (talk) 17:21, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

@Grahamsands: Yes, both are private clubs, but you can view the art deco main building of the Kowloon CC from outside, and the HK CC has one restaurant that is open to the public. I know they both play in Hong Kong's main domestic cricket league, but I'm not sure if the public can enter the grounds to watch the matches. Here's a page on domestic cricket in Hong Kong, if that's anything to go by: . Speaking of which, they tried to revive the Interport Games in 2019 with Malaysia hosting Hong Kong, and Hong Kong was supposed to host Malaysia in 2020, but that got scuttled due to COVID, so I'm not sure if they will be revived anytime soon. And speaking of which, Hong Kong did beat Afghanistan in 2018, so they have one win against a Test nation too. And Hong Kong have also qualified for the T20 World Cup twice, in 2014 and 2016. The dog2 (talk) 17:34, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Worms, say I, to any "cricket club" that talks of its past triumphs and excellent tiffin but doesn't let Joe Public watch a match. The MCC may be a patrician clique but at least they're keen for folk to come along to Lords and enjoy watching cricket. Grahamsands (talk) 09:19, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

@Grahamsands: I added a brief bit about cricket fields in Malaysia and Singapore. Those are public fields, so even if you're not a member of the private clubs that use them, you can always bring your own wickets and set up your own cricket pitch on a first come first serve basis if you want to play a game with some friends, at least for the ones in Singapore, Kuala Lumpur and Ipoh, provided they are not being used for special events. Only the clubhouses are restricted to members only. Let me know what you think. The dog2 (talk) 17:52, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Cricket grounds?

moved from GS talk page

I see that you moved info about the cricket grounds in Prairie View Texas to Houston/North Houston. Not sure why, or even if that makes any sense. People who know the cricket grounds exist would *never* look for it in a topic about North Houston because, well, it's a good 45-minute drive from that area. For the sake of the traveller, accurate location information would be very nice. Mrkstvns (talk) 21:25, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

And a 45 minute drive is a long way to a Texan?? North Houston looked the most appropriate page for it, and another POI is equally far out. Please move it to the page you think it belongs, and amend the cross-reference in cricket. Grahamsands (talk) 17:18, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

FYI: I've moved the Prairie View Cricket Grounds to article Post Oak Savannah. Probably won't get as much visitor traffic there, but that's where geography says it belongs... Regards, Mrkstvns (talk) 16:59, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. We should revisit US coverage if as intended they launch an expanded cricket league next summer. I asked my neighbour from Houston if he reckoned 45 min was a long drive. Best laugh he'd had all week. Grahamsands (talk) 09:19, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

As a side note, T20 cricket will be contested at the 2028 Olympics in LA. And I won't be surprised if cricket really grows in the U.S. because so many Indians are leading the top U.S. companies. As we know, Google and Microsoft have Indian CEOs, and the World Bank president is also Indian. Microsoft is in fact building a cricket pitch at their corporate headquarters in Seattle because of how much their CEO loves cricket. The dog2 (talk) 15:38, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Cricket for FTT

Any interest in pitching this page as a Featured Travel Topic? The obvious time to feature is May 2025 as the northern hemisphere season opens. Readership about cricket would be further boosted if that is the year the US major league expands, but we can't rely on that. Grahamsands (talk) 15:01, 2 August 2024 (UTC)