Talk:Fruits and vegetables

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Should we include nuts? I'd like to mention that macadamia nuts are really categorically different in Hawaii than they are everywhere else, even when they are in Blue Diamond jars. The fresher nuts are wonderful and have a much more complex taste than the rather one-note one they have outside of Hawaii. Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:20, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I think nuts should be included. Where else would we put them? Besides we already mention cashews (commonly though of as nuts) and strawberries (nuts in the botanical sense) Hobbitschuster (talk) 16:42, 1 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well, this title is very limiting, isn't it? We should mention nuts, and grains, and legumes, and greens, shouldn't we? Ibaman (talk) 18:54, 1 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Legumes and greens are vegetables; grains can be encompassed by the term "vegetables" even though they're often used differently. Shall we rename the article "Fruits, vegetables and nuts"? Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:00, 1 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • We are already mentioning fungi, which aren't even "plants"; not to be a nitpicker but... I can even feel an urge to study more English grammar and vocabulary, and then, only then, be able to express myself properly over the matter. :) Ibaman (talk) 19:07, 1 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Fungi are not part of the Plant Kingdom, but they are generally considered vegetables. There are also a bunch of botanical fruits that are treated as vegetables, including tomatoes, avocados (most of the time), various squashes, legumes whose pods are eaten (e.g., snow peas, snap peas). "Vegetable" is not really a scientific term. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:16, 1 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[unindent] I think we're in agreement to include nuts. Any objections to renaming the article Fruits, vegetables and nuts and then starting to input information about nuts that are special in different areas (such as macadamia nuts in Hawaii and pistachios in Iran, Turkey and Syria)? Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:18, 1 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Also, what about seeds? Should we mention the use of poppy seeds, or is that getting too far afield, and would it be better to start a new article about Spices or Herbs and spices? Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:19, 1 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) I think we can agree that nuts should be covered here. But whether that necessitates a rename of the article seems not entirely clear to me. We have already included fungi even though they are not necessarily vegetables in any biological sense... Hobbitschuster (talk) 20:20, 1 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, but nuts aren't considered vegetables in a culinary/dietary sense, either, in my experience. But so be it. I will start writing about nuts later. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:57, 1 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]


I know due to the fact that a big part of our editor base is from temperate countries, apples might seem blindingly obvious or even ubiquitous, but that's not entirely accurate. Sure, you can get apples in Nicaragua, but they will be rather expensive, there won't be much variety and they will have a long journey behind them. Contrast that with the w:Altes Land near Hamburg, where you can get probably as many different types as anywhere in Europe right from the tree. And anybody who says all apples taste the same does not know what they are talking about. Maybe this is kind of the banana in reverse ;-) Hobbitschuster (talk) 16:41, 1 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Quite.. Where I am in England there's serveral varieties better than some of the mass cultivated and boring ones you get in supermarkets. :) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 18:38, 21 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
If you go to Almaty, you might want to buy some apples. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:47, 21 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Doesn't "Alma" even mean apple? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 16:24, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
From the BBC article I linked at the beginning of the sentence above:
Despite being the first to scientifically assert Almaty’s association with the apple, Vavilov was not the first to observe fruit’s influence on the region. “Almaty used to be called Alma-Ata [the Russian name for the city],” Raspopov told me at the apogee of our ascent. “It means ‘father of apples’,” he added, before handing me an acid-green fruit the size of a child’s fist. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:25, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Alternative banner[edit]

I propose an alternative banner:

Current banner

--Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 03:17, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

While both are good, the latter one is better. /Yvwv (talk) 11:08, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'd keep the current banner, which to me has a more interesting selection of fruits, though no vegetables. Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:19, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The new banner is better; it looks nicer and shows a mix of fruit and veg.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 16:23, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The new banner failed a Flickr review on commons. So although I slightly prefer the new banner, I would rather not use it until this is resolved. (This may be because only the cropped image was cropped across, rather than bringing the original image over and then cropping it.) AlasdairW (talk) 21:29, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I really don't understand how that happened. The source image, [1], seems to have nothing wrong with it. What causes a Flickr review to go wrong? --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 21:37, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
In general the best practice when making a banner from a Flickr image is to upload the original image to Commons, then once the Flickr review has passed, crop the image and upload it as a separate file. This avoids the need for a Commons admin to examine the situation, and it ensures that the original image is saved on Commons for future use.
I don't know what software you use to crop images, but I find the built-in CropTool on Commons very convenient, as it deals with uploading and licensing easily. —Granger (talk · contribs) 23:51, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Mx. Granger: Sorry for responding late, but the image is on both Commons and Flickr as the original, I believe. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 15:35, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
At least there is no "other versions" or "source" link to any uncropped version on Commons, but only a link to the uncropped source on Flickr. If the original is somewhere on Commons, please provide a link. --LPfi (talk) 19:25, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I did just that. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 02:44, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Wax apple and jambu air[edit]

@Ikan Kekek: How sure are you that jambu air means wax apple? w:ms:Jambu air links to the English Wikipedia article for what seems to be a different fruit, the "water apple". I wouldn't describe the wax apples I've eaten in Taiwan and Thailand as tart (it's possible it depends on the cultivar). —Granger (talk · contribs) 19:37, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I guess I was confused by the pictures in the w:Syzygium samarangense article, which look like jambu air to me. Sorry to create a mess. I guess some reversions will be needed. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:44, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Searching for photos of jambu air, they do look similar. Hopefully someday I can go to Malaysia again, find some jambu air and compare the taste :) —Granger (talk · contribs) 19:48, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Jambu air was probably my 3rd-favorite fruit during my last trip to Malaysia, after mangosteen and rambutan. I recommend it! Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:38, 12 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]