Talk:Karnataka

So, I'm not particularly fond of the region breakdown for Karnataka, but I felt like it'd be better to do it now than to have sub-sections of the "Cities" section. If there are more traditional or conventional regions that people would know about, please replace the ones that are there now. --(WT-en) Evan 09:07, 28 Feb 2004 (EST)

Link to external sites?

How about linking to DreamRoutes?

• Please see Project:External links. (WT-en) Majnoona 11:55, 5 July 2006 (EDT)

Name changes

Per The Times of India, several cities in Karnataka will soon have their names changed: Bangalore, Mysore, Mangalore, Hubli, Shimoga, Belgaum and Hospet will become Bengalooru, Mysooru, Mangalooru, Hubballi, Shivamogga, Belagaavi and Hosapete. I just wanted to make a note here, and point out once again that the article naming conventions expect us to use the most common English name, not the official name, whatever that may be. If these new names catch on, there's no reason not to change to them as they become more popular. --(WT-en) Evan 15:45, 1 November 2006 (EST)

Karnataka's divisions

WindHorse, I see that you've been reorganizing Karnataka to fit with its official divisions. I had noticed that Karnataka does have official divisions much like Maharashtra does, but had not reorganized for two important reasons:

1. It puts Uttara Kannada in Belgaum division, while Udupi and Mangalore districts are in another division (don't remember, will check Wikipedia). That is most annoying as they are on the coastline and they have a lot in common culturally and in things to see. (Trust me, I am from there.)
2. The names are unnatural. Belgaum division does not make sense, while North Karnataka does. You will notice that while I have gone with the official divisions in Maharashtra, I have given the more commonly used names - Western Maharashtra, not "Pune division."

For these reasons, I think your earlier organization made more sense than this one. — (WT-en) Ravikiran 08:57, 27 February 2007 (EST)

Actually, not complete sense, but I really want coastal Karnataka to be retained. — (WT-en) Ravikiran 09:01, 27 February 2007 (EST)

For reference, here are the official divisions of Karnataka, from Wikipedia: Wikipedia:Districts of Karnataka — (WT-en) Ravikiran 09:05, 27 February 2007 (EST)

OK, I'll change it back. Actually, if someone else had coined the former names I would have left them, but as it was my arbitrary decision, I felt responsible to correct them according to the official titles. Anyway, thanks as always for your helpful and insightful feedback (and for saving me the trouble or relocating all the cities). (WT-en) WindHorse 09:06, 27 February 2007 (EST)

Wait, I'll do that. I have the handy rollback tool and it is easy for me! — (WT-en) Ravikiran 09:10, 27 February 2007 (EST)

Thank you. Thank you. I was just about to embark on doing it the hard way. (WT-en) WindHorse 09:12, 27 February 2007 (EST)

No problem! — (WT-en) Ravikiran 09:23, 27 February 2007 (EST)

Note to all contributors: Please don't take this discussion to mean that the Karnataka division is finalized. It is still somewhat unsatisfactory. For one, Coastal Karnataka lists Belgaum, which is inaccurate, as Belgaum is not in fact on the Coast (till Global Warming swallows Goa). Please suggest more "natural" divisions here, but please discuss before changing. — (WT-en) Ravikiran 09:50, 27 February 2007 (EST)

How about listing it under North Karnataka as it is next to Bagalakot, which is in that category? (WT-en) WindHorse 10:09, 27 February 2007 (EST)

Or how about dividing the state into 3 zones based on the physical features — Coastal Strip, Western Ghats and Deccan. (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage 06:30, 28 February 2007 (EST)

Which districts would the Western ghats region contain? I am well up on Karnataka's geography, but my rough understanding is that Malnad or Malenadu, i.e. the Western ghats, just form the eastern borders of the coastal districts and the western borders of some of the Deccan districts. (At least, we have a name ready for the region - Malnad, or Malenadu!) — (WT-en) Ravikiran 06:57, 28 February 2007 (EST)

WindHorse, thinking things through, the official divisions are not that bad except for the Coast bit. We could keep the Belgaum region minus Uttara Kannada and call it Northwestern Karnataka. (I've seen buses roaming around in Karnataka which are called "Vayavya Karnataka", i.e Northwest Karnataka transport, so it is semi official.) We could keep the Gulbarga division and call it North(ern) Karnataka. There is also a less unimaginative name for Coastal Karnataka - we could call it Canara (which is what the coast used to be called) or "Karavali", which is the Kannada translation for the coast and a commonly used word there. We can also keep the Mysore region minus Udupi and DK, and call it the Cauvery basin region, because I think that that is what it is, but need to do more research on that. Need to think of a name for the Bangalore division. — (WT-en) Ravikiran 06:57, 28 February 2007 (EST)

OK, the Bangalore region can be Karnataka/Central. There's only 1 problem, there'll just be 3 districts in Karavali, Uttar Kannada, Dakshin Kannada and Udipi. (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage 07:18, 28 February 2007 (EST)

P.S. Bagalkol, Dharvad, Haveri, Gadag, Bijapur and Shimoga can be Western Ghats. UK, DK and Udupi can be the Coastal districts. And all the others lie in the Deccan Plateau. (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage 07:18, 28 February 2007 (EST)

Are you relying on this map ?? If you are, then thou art misled young man, for district 4, i.e. Belgaum, does not lie on the coastline! It borders Goa! So the Western ghats in that case are to the west of Belgaum, not to the east! I was wondering why you added Bijapur to the list, because Bijapur is a dry deccan area, not Western ghats at all... — (WT-en) Ravikiran 07:36, 28 February 2007 (EST)

I'm slightly lost, but I like the idea of using more traditional names for the regions, like Cauvery Basin and Canara or Karavali. Unfortunately, I'm only really familiar with the southern part of the state, so I cannot offer any personal opinions regarding other areas. Anyway, let me know you decide, and I'll help with the cut and paste (though I may be out of action from the end of March for a little while). Thanks for your input. (WT-en) WindHorse 11:31, 28 February 2007 (EST)

Proposed division

Here is what we have so far. I copied from the Wikipedia page and reorganized. Feel free to comment and reorganize if consensus occurs. — (WT-en) Ravikiran 07:12, 1 March 2007 (EST)

• Bangalore Division Central Karnataka
  • Bangalore District
  • Bangalore Rural District
  • Chitradurga
  • Davanagere
  • Kolar
  • Shimoga
  • Tumkur

• Belgaum Division Northwestern Karnataka
  • Bagalkot
  • Belgaum
  • Bijapur
  • Dharwad
  • Gadag
  • Haveri

• Canara or Karavali
  • Uttara Kannada
  • Dakshina Kannada
  • Udupi (district)

• Gulbarga Division Northern Karnataka
  • Bellary
  • Bidar
  • Gulbarga
  • Koppal
  • Raichur

• Mysore Division Cauvery basin or Southern Karnataka
  • Chamarajanagar
  • Chikmagalur
  • Hassan
  • Kodagu
  • Mandya
  • Mysore

• Perfect. Don't name the Mysore division Southern Karnataka, let it remain Cauvery Basin. Have a redirect instead, that would be good. (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage 07:27, 1 March 2007 (EST)

Seconded. Let's put it on the page. (WT-en) WindHorse 11:32, 1 March 2007 (EST)

Romanization

It's mentioned that idli is often romanized as idly or iddly. Has anyone here ever encountered such a sp - I've never come across these variations. (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage 07:47, 4 March 2007 (EST)

idly yes, iddly no. — (WT-en) Ravikiran 08:11, 4 March 2007 (EST)

You're from there, so I'm changing it right away. (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage 08:15, 4 March 2007 (EST)

Regional structure

The state is now split on five region articles which in turn are split in a number of district article corresponding to the administrative division. However, most of the district article have very limited content. Furthermore, only one of the five regions have enough city articles to justify the further subdivision in districts. Do we really want all these almost empty district articles? Or could we have districts only for the one region (Karavali) with many cities and leave the other fire regions without any further subdivision? (WT-en) ClausHansen 02:56, 6 January 2010 (EST)

I think it is useless now to have these empty district. (WT-en) Sissou 04:00, 6 January 2010 (EST)

Is that a reason to have an H2 level "Sleep" section with listings? --W. Frank^email_talk 09:46, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Please be more specific. Which article(s) are you discussing? The regional articles being discussed in this thread? Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:01, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes.

For example, Northwestern Karnataka is still a stub and so are its districts of Bagalkot, Belgaum, Bijapur, Gadag and Haveri. Even Dharwad (district) has a paucity of listings. --W. Frank^email_talk 20:48, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

I think some people have confused districts with the cities of the same name. Gadag (district) is a disaster, and Dharwad (district) isn't much better. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:25, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

1st-order section "Wildlife Hotspots"

I think this is just a 2nd "Other destinations" section, and that the number of "Other destinations" + "Wildlife Hotspots" - currently 11 - should be reduced to 9. Should we do the obvious and delete the red link and the non-linked temple, or would any of you who know the state recommend another lineup of 9? Ikan Kekek (talk) 12:15, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

"Other destinations" moved from article

Articles at the state level are supposed to have no more than 9 cities listed and no more than 9 "Other destinations" listed. There is no reason to try to fill articles at this level with exhaustive or very detailed information - they're just overviews. And there are still more than 9 "Other destinations," so the list needs to be pruned further.

Some of the entries below can be moved or merged to district articles:

• Sri Manjunatha Swamy Temple (shrine of Lord Shiva) at Dharmasthala, Belatangadi Taluk, Dakshina kannada district ranks first in attracting devotees, tourist of all classes. It is located in Western Ghats, includes beautiful sight seeing spots.

• Anshi National Park - 340 sq km area located in Uttara Kannada District.

Bandipur National Park and Nagarhole National Park adjoin each other and are separated by the Kabini Reservoir.

Bandipur National Park and Nagarhole National Park in Karnataka, Waynad National Park in Kerala and Mudumalai National Park in Tamil Nadu are part of the Nilgiri Biosphere Reserve which is the biggest contiguous Protected areas in South India.

Wildlife Sanctuaries

• Dandeli Wildlife Sanctuary - administered as part of the adjoining Anshi National Park.
• Bhadra Wildlife Sanctuary - located in Chikmaglur and Shimoga Districts.
• Biligiri Rangaswamy Temple Wildlife Sanctuary (BRT Wildlife Sanctuary) - located in Chamarajanagar district shares the border with Tamil Nadu. This unique destination is located at the confluence of the Western Ghats (runs parallel to the Arabian Sea on India's West Coast) and Eastern Ghats (runs parallel to the Bay Of Bengal on India's East Coast) and hosts eco-systems unique to each Mountain Range.
• Ranibennur Blackbuck Sanctuary - located in Haveri district for the conservation of blackbucks (a species of antelope).
• Pushpagiri Wildlife Sanctuary - located in Kodagu district.
  

Project Tiger an initiative for Tiger conservation in India is active at Bandipur National Park, Anshi National Park, Nagarhole National Park, Bhadra Wildlife Sanctuary and the BRT Wildlife Sanctuary.

Karnataka is also home to various Bird Sanctuaries

• Ranganathitu Bird Sanctuary - located in Mandya district of Karnataka. This bird sanctuary is famous for its storks and kingfishers. Located just three kilometers from the historic town of Srirangapatna and around 16 kilometers from Mysore.
• Bankapura Peacock Sanctuary - located in Haveri district of Karnataka. The Star attraction are the Peacock in all their glory. The Peacock is India's National Bird. The sanctuary was created specifically for the conservation of Peacocks.

Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:52, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

For the record, there are now 9 "Other destinations," with "Wildlife hotspots" as a subheading within the section. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:05, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

However, Manipal and Belur are cities (though Manipal is covered in the Udupi article), so they don't belong in "Other destinations" which are supposed to be non-city destinations. So we need to decide what to substitute for them when they are removed from this list. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:07, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

I went ahead and moved them to the "Cities" list, which now has 9 cities, so 2 of the "Other destinations" entries above can be added to that section, but which ones would be best? Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:59, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Hill stations

Moved from Karnataka#See:

Hill Stations

The Hill Stations in Karnataka are largely unexplored and pristine when compared with the other well known Hill Stations in South India.

• Coorg or Kodagu - a cool and green hill station located in the mountainous areas of the Western Ghats section situated in Karnataka. Coorg is also the source of the river Kaveri.
• Nandi Hills - a scenic hill station at 1478 meters above sea level and located just outside the capital city of Bangalore after the Kempegowda International Airport.
• Kemmangundi - a beautiful hill station, 1434m above sea level. It is located 274 Km from Bangalore.

Hill stations are cities, as per Talk:India#Are hill stations cities?. We could discuss whether any of these should be listed in Karnataka#Cities instead of any of the 9 that are currently listed, or they could be mentioned in passing in a See section that is in prose. I made a stab at one in India#See. I doubt it's close to perfect, but its structure is more in keeping with the spirit of Wikivoyage:Region article template than Karnataka#See currently is. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:22, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Cities and other destinations

Right now, there are 10 cities and 25 other destinations, which clearly violates wv:7+2. Which should stay and which should go? I haven't been to Karnataka before so I'm not sure which should stay and which should go. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:45, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

User:Ravikiran r, User:Prof tpms, User:DaGizza, User:Csyogi and User:Matroc, any thoughts? Based on the articles, it would seem that Ramanagara is the odd one out. However, Manipal redirects to Udupi, which should be in the section, instead. Belur has important sights and the Sakleshpur article is more developed and has more and more varied content than the one for Ramanagara, so based on that, I think it should stay, but it's definitely possible that I'm being too influenced by the current quality of some of these articles, rather than the potential for their future development, as I've never visited this state. I'm assuming the bigger cities all belong, but I could stand to be corrected. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:58, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

I have visited two of the cities and one of the "Other destinations" on the list (Bangalore, Mysore and Bannerghata National Park), all of which I support keeping. I also lean towards removing Ramanagara. If Manipal is replaced with Udupi, it has received the lowest number of pageviews on Wikivoyage over the last 7 years. To compare, on Wikipedia Belur receives less pageviews but I believe it is more significant from a travel perspective and the southeast corner of Karnatake is crowded with destonations if you look at the map. Gizza ^(roam) 00:14, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

@SHB2000, Ikan Kekek, DaGizza: What should be done with 23 other destinations listed? I think the following should be kept, considering "other destinations" is for listings that are not designated as a "city" in Wikivoyage, and that the listings have their own articles:

• 1 Jog Falls — A beautiful waterfall in Shimoga district, famous for the hydroelectricity project, a major tourist attraction. Raja, Rani, Roarer, Rocket are the 4 splits of the falls, collectively forming the Jog falls
• Kodagu (Coorg) Various waterfalls like the Abbey Falls, the Cauvery and Lakshmana tirtha dot this district, as its various tributaries flow down to the Plateau.
• 2 Anshi National Park — A tiger reserve next to the Dandeli Wildlife Sanctuary.
• 3 Bandipur National Park — 890 km² area wildlife sanctuary in Chamarajanagar district.
• 4 Bannerghatta National Park — just 22 km from the heart of Bangalore. A zoological reserve with 104 km², a zoo, safari and butterfly enclosure. The Park is surrounded by the Bannerghatta tropical deciduous forest and an important elephant corridor on the Karnataka-Tamilnadu border
• 5 Kudremukh National Park — 600 km² area in Dakshina Kannada, Udupi and Chikamaglur district.
• 6 Nagarhole National Park — 643 km² area in Kodagu and Mysore District.

More listings can be added after a bit of research. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 12:34, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Your list looks good to me. I support. --SHB2000 (t | c | m) 12:48, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

I'd defer to you, User:Sbb1413, but it would be good to have 9 "Other destinations", and I don't think it's essential for all of them to have their own articles. Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:29, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Agree with Ikan Kekek that we should stick to 9 Other destinations. Based on name recognition, I would definitely include Hampi (also a UNESCO World Heritage site) and probably Coorg/Kodagu and Udupi, all of which are very well known destinations and moreso than most of the national parks listed. Belgaum is famous too though it's already in cities and therefore redundant. Gizza ^(roam) 02:27, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Other destinations are not supposed to be cities, though. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:59, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Hampi is an historic city/archeological site which fits in Other destinations but you're right that Udupi is a current city, which doesn't really make it suitable. Kodagu is technically a district, i.e. a small region which again doesn't really belong in Other destinations. Gizza ^(roam) 03:13, 30 October 2024 (UTC)