Talk:Richmond
Can we move this to Richmond (disambiguation)? It would seem to me that Richmond (Virginia) is by far the most famous Richmond, and should be moved here. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 23:11, 18 November 2009 (EST)
District discussion[edit]
Given that one district redlinks and the rest are currently ranked at outline, the question presents itself: Is the current division of this city into districts as it stands now a good idea? Hobbitschuster (talk) 21:37, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
- Two years later, the district articles are in better shape, but they're still on the short side and three of them are still outlines. My first instinct is to think it would be better to merge the districts back into the city article for the time being. —Granger (talk · contribs) 01:44, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
- Northside still redlinks. Another problem is that many listings are still contained in this here city article instead of the districts... Hobbitschuster (talk) 10:17, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
- Indeed. So do you agree it would make sense to merge the districts back into the city article? Or do you think it would be better to try to move the listings from this article into the districts and see how they look then? —Granger (talk · contribs) 11:30, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
- Let's go for the latter first. And what about the redlinking district? I also have not the foggiest idea whether the district boundaries make sense from a travel standpoint. Hobbitschuster (talk) 12:31, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
- I don't know either; I've never been to Richmond. I'll start moving the listings to the districts and we can see how it looks, but I suspect they're still going to end up being pretty short. —Granger (talk · contribs) 12:51, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
- Okay, I've moved all the listings to the districts, except for one listing that looks like it belongs in the still-redlinked Richmond/Northside. We now have one fairly short city article, two very short district articles, four district articles that I would call moderately short to at best medium-length, and one redlinked district. Like I said, I haven't been to Richmond, but from the length of these district articles it looks to me like it would be more useful to merge all the district articles back into the city article. Of course, it would be great to have other people's opinions, especially anyone familiar with Richmond. —Granger (talk · contribs) 20:35, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
- It's been almost a year since the last comment in this discussion. Does anyone else have input? —Granger (talk · contribs) 00:41, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
- Okay, I've moved all the listings to the districts, except for one listing that looks like it belongs in the still-redlinked Richmond/Northside. We now have one fairly short city article, two very short district articles, four district articles that I would call moderately short to at best medium-length, and one redlinked district. Like I said, I haven't been to Richmond, but from the length of these district articles it looks to me like it would be more useful to merge all the district articles back into the city article. Of course, it would be great to have other people's opinions, especially anyone familiar with Richmond. —Granger (talk · contribs) 20:35, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
- I don't know either; I've never been to Richmond. I'll start moving the listings to the districts and we can see how it looks, but I suspect they're still going to end up being pretty short. —Granger (talk · contribs) 12:51, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
- Let's go for the latter first. And what about the redlinking district? I also have not the foggiest idea whether the district boundaries make sense from a travel standpoint. Hobbitschuster (talk) 12:31, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
- Indeed. So do you agree it would make sense to merge the districts back into the city article? Or do you think it would be better to try to move the listings from this article into the districts and see how they look then? —Granger (talk · contribs) 11:30, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
- Northside still redlinks. Another problem is that many listings are still contained in this here city article instead of the districts... Hobbitschuster (talk) 10:17, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
- There is a new user, Magicstar1234, a local from Richmond VA, I'm sure she can help this discussion. I invite her to opinate. Ibaman (talk) 21:48, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
- Maybe we could try finding listings to add where they are needed, but if we can’t find enough listings to add because the size of the city makes district articles inappropriate, let’s merge them back to the city article. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 01:00, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
- It doesn't look overwhelming for a non-districted article. Listings could be subdivided by area in the main article as needed. Not surprisingly "Downtown" is the longest (and the only really fairly full-looking) article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:26, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
- Judging from the Richmond article, perhaps there should be fewer city district articles. There seem to be a lot for a city of this size. Could a couple of them perhaps be combined into one? --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 21:45, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
- That's a good thought. I don't know Richmond. If one of the districts is Downtown, what would the other one(s) be? Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:48, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
- Judging from the Richmond article, perhaps there should be fewer city district articles. There seem to be a lot for a city of this size. Could a couple of them perhaps be combined into one? --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 21:45, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
- It doesn't look overwhelming for a non-districted article. Listings could be subdivided by area in the main article as needed. Not surprisingly "Downtown" is the longest (and the only really fairly full-looking) article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:26, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
- Maybe we could try finding listings to add where they are needed, but if we can’t find enough listings to add because the size of the city makes district articles inappropriate, let’s merge them back to the city article. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 01:00, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
I think the district articles are reasonably well developed, with the exception of Richmond/Southside, which is skimpy, and Richmond/Northside. Merging all of the districts would require a lot of effort and create a less useful article with dozens of listings in each section. I don't know what to do about the Northside and Southside articles, though. Ground Zero (talk) 21:55, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
- Well, Richmond/East End is either close to usable status or is already at usable status. Would you call it usable status yet? --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 22:27, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
- I haven't looked at the requirements for usable districts, but the lack of address info for many or most of the POIs is disappointing, as is the lack of info on getting in by bus, except to say that you can. Ground Zero (talk) 00:42, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
- This discussion has been open for 5½ years, and there has been no further discussion for 11 months now. I think we can close this discussion, allow the existing districts to continue to develop, and remove the district discussion tag. Ground Zero (talk) 22:07, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- I haven't looked at the requirements for usable districts, but the lack of address info for many or most of the POIs is disappointing, as is the lack of info on getting in by bus, except to say that you can. Ground Zero (talk) 00:42, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
- Done. Ground Zero (talk) 03:05, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
It appears that Richmond/West End includes listings in the northern area of the city, so perhaps Richmond/Northside does not have to exist and Richmond/West End can be moved to Richmond/West End and Northside. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 09:10, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
- Six years later, I created the Northside article by moving all the listings that were not in West End. Done and simple, I guess we can finally close this discussion. We could have alternatively used @Hanif Al Husaini's suggestion, but that would require a change in the static map. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:46, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
The problem of history[edit]
I have cut down the history section and put in a couple of infoboxes to make this less encyclopedic and more like a travel guide. If you look at the edits, you may wonder where the section on the First African Baptist Church went. I moved it to Richmond/Downtown and created a listing for the building so that travellers can go to see it.
This highlights the problem of Wikivoyage being used to write history without references from a single perspective: lots of history about the church, but no information on how to get there. History writers should focus on Wikipedia, and leave Wikivoyage as a travel guide. Ground Zero (talk) 13:15, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for that, and your point is well taken, but I do think something about the removal of the Robert E. Lee memorial should be appended at the end of the "History" summary, because that shows so clearly how things have changed. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:04, 19 November 2021 (UTC)