User talk:Ground Zero/Archive 2022

Your recent edits

Do you mind explaining why you are inserting random, nonsensical numbers in the middle of sentences? See this edit and this edit for example. What does "6.476280" mean? — 216.9.110.12 20:05, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

I was just reverting edits by a banned user, and restoring the previous version of the articles, which had these errors.

The editor was banned for making hateful anti-Islamic and anti-Semitic edits to articles, and generally for being a jerk. That sort of behaviour isn't acceptable here, and when we see his edits, we revert them automatically. Ground Zero (talk) 20:43, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

The above IP is an obvious block evasion of ArticCynda. Hard-blocked the IP for a month. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 03:52, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

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18:14, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks a lot

I really want to appreciate you for all the advice and corrections you have been dropping for me. I really appreciate them and i look forward to learning more from you. Lordgentual (talk) 16:21, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

I am glad to hear that. You are doing good work here. Ground Zero (talk) 03:45, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

I heartily second that. You've added a lot of good content to several articles, some of which can be upgraded to usable. I'll have a look at which ones meet the criteria and upgrade them soon. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 03:48, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Time format for NS

When you added a listing in Joggins, I noticed you added the 24-hour clock. Was this an accident as Talk:Canada says to use 12 except for Quebec, or is the 24-hour clock more common in Nova Scotia? --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 21:49, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

No. That was just my stupid brain trying to make me look bad. Or I'm spending too much time on Duolingo trying to upgrade my French. Ground Zero (talk) 22:11, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Pas de problème ! SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:20, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

About Lithuania

You said it was my political opinion, but this is a fact. Lithuania became the first country in the world to formally recognise Taiwan as an independent country separate from China last year. I know the United States doesn't formally do so, but it is backing Lithuania in their decision. Spreading my political opinion would be telling people whether or not to support Taiwan independence, which I have never done on Wikivoyage, either in talk pages or articles (point me to examples if that's what you are accusing me of). But whether you or I like it or not, Lithuania recognising Taiwan independence is undisputed fact. The dog2 (talk) 19:10, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

What you added to the article was "[Today they are European Union and NATO members,] and among the most loyal U.S. allies in Europe." Which countries are the most or least loyal U.S. allies in Europe is your opinion. That is what I removed. And it is unnecessary in a travel article about the Soviet Union since it is about the situation 30 years after the demise of the Soviet Union. Ground Zero (talk) 19:32, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Charlevoix Biosphere Reserve

When you have the time, take a look at Charlevoix Biosphere Reserve. It's one of the new articles our [not really] new contributor from Quebec. The fact that it has so many redlinks including to templates that don't exist both here and on the French Wikivoyage (per d:Q7644468) makes me suspect of some copyvio. It's definitely not a usable article (albeit what the tag says) and has highway markers in text. How do I bring this issue up with them? I feel like I've already gone too much into explaining policies and fixing capitalization, external links, along with many other policies. This seems to be a one off article, but that article can't stand the way it is. Thanks, --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:37, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Welcoming Basa Pulu Kokos to Wikivoyage

I guess you're not aware that that's a globally locked account? Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:03, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Ah, no, I hadn't seen that. Thanks for letting me know. Ground Zero (talk) 21:12, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Sure thing. It's a pity; they hadn't done anything bad here, but apparently, they vandalized other Wiki sites. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:14, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Yeah they probably wouldn't have been globally locked if it were not for Sotiale's CU check on m:Steward_requests/Checkuser/2022-02#Basa_Pulu_Kokos@en.wikivoyage SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:24, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

I haven't checked their other contributions, but the last two articles they created were pretty low-value: one nominated for merger, and the other for deletion. Ground Zero (talk) 22:31, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

The others were Indigenous Australian language phrasebooks and a Cocos Malay phrasebook. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:38, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

And are they legit, or is this another Scots Wikipedia incident? Ground Zero (talk) 23:00, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure. For the indigenous Australian ones, we can try to verify them by using ausil.org. To the Cocos Malay phrasebook, we probably should rely on our [standard] Malay speakers as according to that user, only spelling and some words differ. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 06:37, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

This edit on English language varieties

I'm not sure whether it's necessary to mention "Canada follows U.S. usage" as it says on the top of that section it says to automatically assume that the Canadian (and Australian) pronunciation is the same one as the US one. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 06:30, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

For pronunciation, I agree. Most Canadian accents (with the exception of the Quebecois accent of Francophones) are more similar to most Northern and Western U.S. accents than Southern accents are to most Northern and Western accents. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:50, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Atlantic Canadian English is different too, but that's handled in Atlantic Canada page. But yeah, didn't think about Quebec tho ;) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:32, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Fair enough. I didn't see the note at the top. Ground Zero (talk) 11:26, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

It's easy to miss that especially when there's large chunks of texts. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:29, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

12AM vs midnight

Hello Ground Zero, by this edit you created a big red message in the article:

Error: Invalid time.Expression error: Unexpected < operator.Error: Invalid time

I did have the same message when I tried "midnight" and used 12AM for this listing to avoid the message. I wanted to make a remark in the Travellers' pub‎, but forgot to do so. --FredTC (talk) 08:47, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

@FredTC I got the same when I tried using midnight before. In this case, I think it's alright to use 12AM in the template parameter as it automatically puts a (midnight) note next to it. It'd be nice if we could adjust it, but unfortunately, Traveler100 has been inactive for two years. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:52, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

I think this template shouldn't be used until it is fixed. The three instances of 12AM that I fixed before this one were for noon, not midnight, so "12AM (midnight)" will be confusing for or just look stupid to many people. Ground Zero (talk) 13:18, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

I've restored the text to what it was before, and started a discussion at Template talk:Time/doc. Ground Zero (talk) 13:42, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Something for you 😃

	The Kanglei Barncompass
	For your great help in the Positive Constructions of the articles on Manipur & her 7 sister states, you deserve The Kanglei Barncompass! Keep it up! --Haoreima (talk) 13:12, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

@Haoreima: thank you! Ground Zero (talk) 14:39, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

re Special:Diff/4419004 on Yosemite National Park

Regarding that edit, w:Mackinac National Park in Michigan was the second national park but the land it was on became transferred to the state (and this isn't Australia, Quebec or the Netherlands ;-)) so it became a state park meaning Yosemite NP is the second oldest national park in the US to currently hold the "national park" title. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 21:41, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Got it. The new version makes it clear. Thanks. Ground Zero (talk) 21:59, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

No probs. I shouldn't have written it so vague in the first place. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:00, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Licence(d)

So wait, the word for the noun in the UK, etc., is "licence," but the verb is "licensed"? Seriously? If so, I'm glad we had Noah Webster here, and I wish he went further in getting rid of senseless inconsistency in spelling. Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:03, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

That sums it up. But it's not like American English has consistent spelling -- it's a bit more consistent. If we wanted consistency, we should have moved to Esperanto.

Nah, no need to change to a different language. We just could have adopted more phonetical spelling, along lines similar to Italian. Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:32, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

If Webster had solved this problem, I would sign on to his scheme: "Every week I read a book; last week I read Mao's Little Red Book." Ground Zero (talk) 15:56, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Is that a quote from someone? Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:05, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I said that. But you are free to use it, with attribution. ;-) Ground Zero (talk) 17:20, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Hah! OK. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:27, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

The Nigeria Expedition

Can't believe that after 4.75 months, we're still doing a lot of cleanups after the Nigeria expedition but I guess that's the result when there's incentives only for article creation and not about quality (hypothetically, if there were just a general expedition about any article on fr.voy based on byte size, I definitely don't think fr:Parc national d'Uluṟu-Kata Tjuṯa deserves to be on fr:Spécial:Pages longues which is mostly geolines). I'd like to thank you for spending months on cleaning up these articles because without your cleanups, our Nigeria articles would be full of irrelevant content, copyvios and unreliable content too. It's honestly a pity that this has to be done (and we didn't have this issue during the first expedition), but thanks again for all the work you've put in :-) --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:02, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

@SHB2000: And thanks to you, too. It has been a hard slog. In the end, I don't really know if there was a net benefit to Wikivoyage. Sure, we got a bunch of new articles about obscure places, but it took a lot of regular contributors' time away from other work that we would have done. I think we do know that we shouldvoppose any future expedition that rewards creating new articles. If they can find a way to reward only the creation of new content, it would be worthwhile. Grocery store listings and articles with listings copied from other articles are a waste of our time. It was particularly disappointing that some of the contributors had no interest in learning how to contribute constructively. That tells us that many participants will only follow the rules of the competition, and not the spirit of improving the projects, so we have to get the rules of the competition right. Best regards, Ground Zero (talk) 18:52, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

I too think the same. While we certainly did get a lot of new articles, in particular, for the states, they were regionalized without a discussion on the relevant talk page, which resulted in incomplete or poor regionalized articles and the only region that is properly regionalized is South West Nigeria (because there was a discussion in the pub back in June). Unfortunately, we don't get informed when there's an expedition that's going to affect this project, so unless the project organizers inform us, it will very much be a surprise to us. On the flip side, it did reform our grocery store/supermarket policy, which was something I've wondered on what to include in "Buy" sections for quite some time. But yeah, it was sad that these the participants for the most part did not give a damn about Wikivoyage's goals, and I've been thinking of proposing a guideline for event organizers but never got around to doing that. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 03:48, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

Let's do it. I'll help edit it if you start it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:53, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

I started a draft in User:SHB2000/Event organizers. Any help in expanding it and copyediting it is more than appreciated :-). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:13, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

A new Nigeria expedition...

Hi GZ, something to keep an eye out for, but it seems we have another new Nigeria Expedition – m:Nigerian Cuisine. It seems to also include Wikivoyage too, and it explains the recent increase in Nigeria articles over the last couple of days. Unfortunately, this too has a system of rewarding contributors based on article creation, byte count, and citations (doesn't affect us, but giving points just for a good citation, really?). Fortunately for us, the expedition is about cuisine, so we can expect eat sections to be improved, plus the very botched Nigerian cuisine article in a state of despair (both tone and syntax-wise), but I don't exactly understand the scope of the expedition, as many of the contributors seem to be working on a non-cuisine articles, and there is a very likely chance we may seem to get a repeat of what we had five months ago.

For the point system, I'm getting the sentiments that one project organizer would have used this system, and participants who later became expedition organizers later just copied the system, or this is the standard for all expeditions, this is something that I will try look into. However, this time to prevent cases of Grace789, Paulboht or any of the other contributors who were serial copyright violators, I'll probably be doing a "two strikes and you're blocked for 3 days" in accordance with Wikivoyage:How to handle unwanted edits#User ban as we may need to be harsher with copyvios this time.

While I have gone on about the new expedition, thank you again for all your cleanups since the last expedition, and I do apologize for perhaps not the best thing to hear on a Saturday morning. Unfortunately, it means that we will have to do more cleaning up, but I guess it's too late... --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 13:08, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Didn't see these two edits after I published this message, but it is worth taking a look at Special:Diff/4444512 and Special:Diff/4444514, which is exactly a repeat of what we had in the latter half of the last expeditions – airports unrelated to the destination and bus/train stations outside the city (currently at vfd) but instead on the very first week. I'm getting the feeling we're going to be cleaning up a serious amount of work, night after night. I wish we'd known about this expedition earlier. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 13:13, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

@SHB2000: thanks for the heads-up. I am travelling at the moment, and trying to focus on changes to places I am passing through, so Nigeria will have to wait for my attention. Are any if the participants return visitors? Or are they new people? It is always best to treat newbies with kid gloves, but as soon as they show signs of not being interested in contributing constructively, I agree with using a firmer hand. We did learn last time that some people were not interested in being coached on how to contribute. Ground Zero (talk) 21:04, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

No probs. This isn't the most urgent thing, and there have been relatively few contributors at this point in time, though we can expect more to come. It seems some of them (e.g. Ibjaja055) seem to have made a few edits in January, while others like Favkinstin27 or Iwuala Lucy seem to be new contributors. I haven't seen any return visitors who were frequent editors during that time, but it's only the first week. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 21:59, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

ftt banner for wine regions of Ontario

Hi GZ, hope you've been doing well. This is not the most urgent thing, as there's still 41 days left, but as the ftt next month is Wine regions of Ontario, I was wondering if you'd want to select the dotm banner, or give suggestions and I don't really know what to crop. Banners should be in a 3:1 ratio, and I think the image size should also be over 1755px wide. Best, --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:54, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Google Translate

I saw your 2021 edit of Juupajoki, translating from Finnish. I'd recommend some proofreading and check of reasonability. If you don't understand the English you get, it is perhaps best left out; you cannot just trust somebody else coming along to fix it: "you should head to collect berries. You get strikes in the swamps, you can usually find very many lentils elsewhere".

(Lakkoja is plural of both lakko and lakka, strike and cloudberry; I don't get how puolukkaa, lingonberries, were transformed to lentils.)

Thanks anyway for doing the additions, most of it was correct, and as fixed everything of it is useful.

–LPfi (talk) 14:00, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

Hope you don't mind me chiming in. But just a suggestion, DeepL is a much better translator and it's generally more accurate. I usually use DeepL when translating content from other language Wikivoyages, especially de.voy. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 14:06, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

DeepL suggested I change Internet Explorer to Edge (I use Firefox), until I allowed its Javascript. It seems to have had a hiccup on my not allowing it from start. Anyway:

"The Juupajoki River is mostly forest, and you should head out to pick berries. You'll find lychees in the bogs, and lingonberries are usually good elsewhere." (Juupajoki is named after the river "Juupa river", not the other way round. Löytyy hyvin, "are well found" i.e. there are plenty. I don't know where it got the lychees.)

 :-) –LPfi (talk) 14:50, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

But I am worried about the lentils and lychees. From were do they come? Seems one cannot trust anything in the translations (strikes are no problem, you can just leave out such obvious mistakes). –LPfi (talk) 14:52, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I did not proofread that text adequately. I will do better in the future.

Machine translations will always be problematic because we cannot guarantee accuracy. Taking information from other sources like Wikipedia is also problematic for the same reason. But if we limit Wikivoyage only to first-hand reporting, the information here will be very limited. Before I added the machine translation from Finnish Wikivoyage, the article looked like this, which is really not very useful. Ground Zero (talk) 00:00, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I know, and I do often add unconfirmed information. Mostly I try to add only things that conform to my expectations from experience with similar places, but there is no guarantee – and checked information may get incorrect by future changes. In the end, it's the traveller's responsibility to check what needs to be checked, and to get along if something was wrong. We cannot do but our best. –LPfi (talk) 10:06, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

Re: Phone numbers

My focus is on adding contents and listings to articles. Formatting is not on top of my mind. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 04:12, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

@OhanaUnited: adding correcting formatting phone numbers is no more difficult than adding incorrectly formatted phone numbers, and it provides a real benefit to teavellers, which why I assume you contribute to Wikivoyage. Ground Zero (talk) 04:23, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Apologies for continuing on a thread that's unrelated, but could you check Special:Diff/4476233? I'm not sure whether I got the formatting correctly as I'm not very familiar with the North American Numbering Plan. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:31, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Yes, @SHB2000:, that's correct. I explained the formatting on OhanaUnited's talk page. Wikivoyage doesn't use parentheses in Noryn American phone numbers. Editors can save time and reduce formatting errors by leaving them out. Ground Zero (talk) 04:35, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Article "Blanc Sablon-Forteau" (Redirect)

In "Blanc Sablon-Forteau", a redirection is programmed in Wikivoyage to "Forteau". Following the evolution of the editorial content of the "Forteau" and "Blanc-Sablon" articles, this redirection of the "Blanc Sablon-Forteau" article seems inappropriate to me. How to remove this redirect. Thanks. - Veillg1 (talk) 13:47, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

@Veillg1: Deletion discussions usually take place at vfd as this would fail the CSD. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 13:58, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Would fail the what? Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:46, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

CSD = Criteria for Speedy Deletion. It's a common abbreviation used on the encyclopedia. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 01:18, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

Please don't use it here unless you link it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:19, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

Why? It's not just used on the encyclopedia, it's also used on Commons, Wikiversity, Wikibooks – or pretty much on most English Wikimedia projects. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 01:27, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

For clarity of communication, as always. I've been on this site for over 16 years and didn't recognize the initialism. Do you assume Veillg1 did? Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:08, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

Veillg1 has been on the English Wikipedia since 2012 with 18,478 edits (which is more than double my edit count on Commons), so yes, I did. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 02:14, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

But you also thought I would know, right? Please try to avoid unnecessary abbreviations. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:15, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

I fail to see how that abbreviation is unnecessary, but whatever. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 02:48, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

I'm not saying the abbreviation is unnecessary; I'm saying that your tendency to use abbreviations that are not common on this site without including links hinders easy understanding. It would be nice if you would try to curb your tendency to do this. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:18, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

Spelling out the abbreviation takes about one second, linking it (if you don't remember the page name) perhaps half a minute, searching it up if you don't know it perhaps five minutes. Either of the first two needs to be done by one person, the latter perhaps by five of the readers at a page like this. I don't know how much more your time is worth compared to ours. –LPfi (talk) 09:40, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

Modisi, Sulawesi Utara, Indonesia

Mengapa Halaman yang saya ajukan tidak bisa di bantu atau di tolong? Mikelmn (talk) 18:25, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

@Mikelmn: Informasi yang dikirimkan ke Wikivoyage versi bahasa Inggris harus dalam bahasa Inggris. Saya menerjemahkan balasan saya menggunakan translate.com. I tidak berbicara bahasa Indonesia. Ground Zero (talk) 18:50, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

@Mikelmn: (google translate) Jika Anda benar-benar ingin berkontribusi pada Wikivoyage bahasa Inggris, lakukanlah, tetapi dalam bahasa Inggris harap seperti yang disebutkan Ground Zero. Namun, saya akan menyarankan Anda untuk menambahkan daftar sederhana tanpa deskripsi. Atau, Anda mungkin ingin berkontribusi pada Wikivoyage Indonesia yang saat ini ada di Wikimedia Incubator.

English: If you really want to contribute to the English Wikivoyage, by all means, do so, but in English please as Ground Zero mentioned. However, I would advise you to add just plain, descriptionless listings. Alternatively, you might want to contribute to the Indonesian Wikivoyage which is currently in the Wikimedia Incubator. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 00:06, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

China articles vandal

Hello. FYI, since you hid the username from the revisions, you might want to consider hiding it from your revert summaries too. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 17:26, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

I don't know how to do that. Can you explain it to me? Ground Zero (talk) 17:28, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

The best way is to undo instead of rolling back, and removing the user name from the edit summary before saving. If you include it in the edit summary (by hand or otherwise), you need to hide all the edit summary to hide it. –LPfi (talk) 17:42, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll do that. Ground Zero (talk) 17:55, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

What I mean in this case is clicking the "change visibility" button for the revdel interface and only select "hide summary". 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 21:12, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

A question

When creating Tombstone Territorial Park, I was wondering if the correct way of saying Yukon is "the Yukon" or if it was plain-old "Yukon". I'm seeing "the Yukon" used more, but at the same time, various Wikipedia articles use the latter (but I saw this). Can you confirm which form is more commonly used? TIA, --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 07:30, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

• Well that's just irritating. I spent two decades reminding myself not to add "the", and now they go and change it back. I hadn't even seen the change from 2021, and just learned about it from the link you provided. And I spent a week in the Yukon in June this year! Argh. I don't care any more. I suppose we should use "the Yukon" now, but I'm not going through and changing it. Another government will probably cone along in 20 years or so and change it back any way. ;-) Ground Zero (talk) 12:02, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

  Well, 2021 was a pretty deranged year, and a minor name change of a relatively minor jurisdiction was not on the top of anyone's mind, tbh. I guess I'll keep the "the"s in Tombstone Territorial Park in hopes of bringing it to otbp-standard (as a side note, is it just me who cannot stop staring at the mountains of Yukon – this kinda makes me want to visit the* Yukon the next time I'm in BC).

  *Subject to change ;-) --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 12:25, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

It's not just you. Even though it keeps changing its mind about its pronouns, the Yukon is a really beautiful place. Ground Zero (talk) 12:28, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

York

Hiya. Thank you for updating York's listings and those pesky Coronavirus templates. I've been meaning to do that for a while, but haven't found the time. Hope your most recent visit to the UK was good! --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 18:53, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Potential user to keep an eye on

FYI: m:Special:Diff/24064580; that should sum it all (hopefully). --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 07:29, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

In saying that, we may already have a repeat of last year but instead of Grace789, it's Dnshitobu. For starters, I had to speedily delete all but two of the phrasebooks they created as they were all verbatim copied from Wikipedia (with no attempt whatsoever to even remove the citation numbers), leaving me skeptical of the other articles they've created – I have nominated all their articles for deletion.

Before I finish this message off, I'll take the opportunity to quote this from m:Explore Africa/Participants:

In order to ensure transparency and fairness, scoring in this competition would be quantitative; keeping in mind that all articles must meet Wikipedia and Wikivoyage standards for notability, quality and sourcing, as described in the rules declared. Any article may be disqualified at the judges’ discretion.

In particular, "quantitative": all I have to say is, my arse. So, like the other contests organised by these particular organisers, this contest will also only reward users based off byte-size, number of articles created, and citations (I'm 100% sure that most participants will disregard w:WP:REFBOMB, FWIW). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 08:50, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for addressing this problem. I think we will just end up deleting everything. The discussion the user had with Ikan Kekek on their talk page gives me little hope that they are acyually interested in building a travel guide. Ground Zero (talk) 14:38, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

GTA

Inkscape got the best out of me today, and I've basically been making a map for the Greater Toronto Area for the last 4–5 or so hours and I finally managed to finish the map just a few minutes ago.

But the main reason for this message is because I was unsure if I've omitted anything major. I didn't label suburbs (e.g. Vaughan) or cities that are practically suburbs (e.g. Missisauga) as it made the map look way too noisy, but what about the roads? I don't think I've missed any freeways/400-series highways, but wanted to double check before adding it to Greater Toronto Area.

TIA, --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 12:32, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for this. It looks good. I don't see anything missing. I can see that adding the names of the cities would make it very cluttered, which is unfortunate because Peel Region has much less meaning for people in the GTA than Mississauga, Brampton, Pickering, etc. York Region is problematic because it has a bunch of small municipalities. I don't have any ideas for how to deal with that, though. The highways look fine, too. Ground Zero (talk) 13:17, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback. I've made the map togglable, but it's a shame because the Wikivoyage format for static maps are designed to fail and agree that more people have heard of Mississauga than Peel. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 21:37, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Happy holidays!

Happy holidays, Ground Zero! Hello Ground Zero, have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! It has been a pleasure to have you as a fellow Wikivoyager this year. Wherever you are, enjoy the festive season and stay warm (if you're north of the Tropic of Cancer)! Your help in maintaining, improving and expanding Wikivoyage will always be appreciated. Greetings from Sydney, New South Wales, Australia. --SHB2000 on 11:45, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

Oh, and I'll always remember Special:Diff/4583907 (and yes, I do surf whenever I'm up north) ;-) --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 11:48, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

Happy holidays and a merry Christmas to you (if you celebrate). I hope that 2023 is a ghood year for you. Ground Zero (talk) 23:02, 24 December 2022 (UTC)