Wikivoyage:Votes for deletion/April 2024

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Unused media

Putting these together, but please separate if you think these deserve different discussions:

—Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:18, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The first one is labelled "temporary" by its creator, Saqib, who probably should have been pinged.
The two others cannot, according to their description, be uploaded to Commons because of Freedom of Panorama issues (images of non-free architecture). Our policy doesn't allow storing such images unless they are in use. Are these essential for some article?
For Bo Kaap, there is a process on changing the South African copyright law, which may make it legal. If I understand correctly, it is waiting for a presidential signature, but at the last round it was sent back to Parliament, so nothing is certain yet. Anyway, we might want to wait a few months and check for developments before deleting (it could then be moved to Commons). One could also argue for de minimis, threshold of originality or something, depending on the role of the architect(s) and legal tradition.
–LPfi (talk) 10:24, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Outcome: no consensus; kept. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 08:07, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Uploaded to Commons, speedy denied

Listed here as it has somewhat distinct circumstances. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:34, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep as DOTM banners are hosted locally. This is a rare circumstance where it is appropriate to upload such a file locally. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 09:35, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Do we have some reason to think these media which are derived from photos on c: will be deleted there? And then that these files which are currently unused will also somehow be needed here after deletion? And that we can't just use the undelete request at c: and get a local copy if somehow needed? Deleting redundant files at c: is one of the speedy deletion criteria and it seems that would doubly apply for unused media. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:41, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      No, but that would require a change in DOTM practice since banners are almost always uploaded locally. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 09:43, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Our policy exists because banners for past DotMs were repeatedly deleted without notice, leaving them blank in our archives. Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:16, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What policy and like I wrote above would the undeletion policy not work for some reason? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:46, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wikivoyage:Image policy#Local media. The undeletion procedure is a nuisance: the deletion itself may pass without notice and the image is then missing until somebody brings it up in the Pub or gets in touch with an admin at Commons, who may need some convincing before they undelete the image, and then you need to do the download and upload and adjust descriptions.
The Commons' policies should not allow the deletion in the first place, unless there are copyright problems, and even then we should be notified, but mistakes happen, seemingly too often. The Commons admins have a severe backlog.
Of course, undeleting them here is easier, if they are uploaded here in the first place.
–LPfi (talk) 20:04, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, but these are unused media. Has this been a problem where something that wasn't even used here got deleted on c: and it couldn't be undeleted and uploaded locally? I just don't even see the point. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:10, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If something that is unused gets deleted, it will probably never be found for an undeletion request. So if we want them undeleted at some point, then they should never get deleted. That they are unused is odd. Perhaps SelfieCity knows why they aren't in the archives. But even if the page versions where they were used got archived to /dev/null, it is nice to have them show in versions in the page history. Perhaps that's not important enough though, that we cannot trust Commons to keep them. –LPfi (talk) 20:48, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is the first a duplicate of File:PortlandBanner1.jpg? All of them early versions? –LPfi (talk) 20:50, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@LPfi: I've done some digging through the old DOTM nominations, and I can see what happened. In 2020, Portland was nominated for DOTM and AndreCarrotflower created banners, but the nomination was postponed to 2021. I forgot that banners had been created in 2020, so I created several banners of my own for consideration. However, Andre and I both cropped File:Portland panorama3.jpg. Since the crops were almost identical, I did not post my file to the banner votes page. For reference, please see Wikivoyage:Destination of the month candidates/Banners/Archive/2021#Portland (Oregon).
As for the Portland banner I uploaded, I would vote delete. Functionally it's a duplicate banner that was never used anywhere. I would keep the other three banners. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 17:44, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Outcome: consensus is to keep. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 08:12, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This article is mostly the work of a block evading user (blocked by DaGizza as a LibMod sockpuppet). While I can't see its usefulness, if it does have a place, it would be better to nuke it and start from scratch per WV:DENY. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 08:51, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • That's a pity, but I support your nomination under the circumstances, and I actually don't think it should be open to question, as this is the same thing we've done with every other article created by block-evading sockpuppets of the user in question. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:37, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have started Pashley/Indigenous cuisine of the Americas, am not sure if I'll ever get it into a condition suitable for main space. Contributions welcome. Pashley (talk) 08:55, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(btw, I fixed the namespace – it's now at User:Pashley/Indigenous cuisine of the Americas – dw, tho: I've done this accidentally a couple of times too --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 09:17, 20 April 2024 (UTC))[reply]
Also, to be clear, I support Pashley's approach of restarting anew as this topic definitely has its potential. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 09:18, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've moved it to main space at Indigenous cuisine of the Americas. I think I've made a decent start, but it definitely needs more contributions. Pashley (talk) 11:26, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is an excellent start, but I don't agree with having one article for the indigenous cuisine of the entirety of the Americas. I believe this article should be split into Native American cuisine, Mesoamerican cuisine, Indigenous Caribbean cuisine, etc. There hare significant differences between these cuisines. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 12:26, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd be in favour of splitting it if there were enough text for several decent articles; details to be discussed when we reach that point. Right now, though, we don't have enough for even one really good article. Pashley (talk) 13:40, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Outcome: deleted. Pashley (talk) 07:54, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also deleted per discussion above, since it was created by the same sock puppet of a banned user, Replaced with Indigenous cuisine of the Americas. Pashley (talk) 07:59, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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