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Template pages already deleted. Doc pages should be deleted also. WOSlinker (talk) 13:10, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes Done – speedied them all. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 20:45, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Contentless, and an irregularly unilateral districting. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:01, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Read here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athens#Athens_metropolitan_area
Southern Suburbs Hmeil.me (talk) 04:32, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This isn't Wikipedia. What you are really doing is trying to unilaterally subdivide Attica. There is no reason to do so at present, and note that blank articles are useless. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:40, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You have no idea what you are talking about. You confuse the municipality of Athens with Athens city part of which are 55 municipalities also known as suburbs. One such municipality is the so called port of Athens (city) which is called Piraeus. Hmeil.me (talk) 04:48, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As for Attica. Attica (Attiki) is an administrative region, where Athens and its suburbs are located. Here you confuse the historical region with the contemporary Attica Prefecture. Hellas aka Greece has 13 administrative prefectures. Hmeil.me (talk) 04:53, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You don't understand Wikivoyage. Read Wikivoyage:The traveller comes first, taking special note of the following: "Regions, price classifications, etc., are based on the convenience and expectations of travellers, not bureaucratic fiat (administrative districts, formal star ratings and so on)." Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:54, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In short, we don't care about official divisions, except when they're convenient for travelers. This isn't Wikipedia. Only articles that can have sufficient content should stand on their own on this site. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:55, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I cited wikipedia to show you how Athens is divided in suburbs. Since your aim to aid travelers in Athens, how would you suggest to classify the east, west, south and north suburbs? In el.wikivoyage.org we have classified them that way. Hmeil.me (talk) 05:11, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Athens has 55 municipalities (suburbs).
Classify them and teach us how to create our pages in you en.wikivoyage.org
OK? Hmeil.me (talk) 05:18, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As I said, read Wikivoyage:What is an article, and make a proposal stating at least roughly how many listings each of the articles you propose to create will have. Not every town gets an article on Wikivoyage. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:55, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Part of my problem with this term is that if we decided to divide Athens into districts, the central city would have to include at least one of them, but we have no other district articles for the city, so a term with a slash in it is not a natural one to look for. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:50, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The problem is very similar to the problem of Kolkata, where I couldn't understand whether I should include all suburbs of Kolkata or not, since not all suburbs are considered parts of the city. For example, suburbs like Dakshineswar, Dum Dum, Salt Lake and New Town are very often considered parts of Kolkata, while others like Howrah and Chandannagar are not, despite being parts of the Kolkata metropolitan area. My solution to the problem is to include only the adjacent suburbs except Howrah, which agrees with the local usage and the TTCF pretty well. By the way, "Southern Suburbs" would be grammatically more appropriate than "South Suburbs". Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 11:59, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Outcome: 14 days – consensus to delete or redirect? --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 20:35, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No consensus to delete, so let's redirect to Attica. Ikan Kekek (talk) —The preceding comment was added by Ikan Kekek (talk • contribs) 04:49, March 21, 2024
Redirected accordingly. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:13, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Votes for deletion thread

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Hi, everyone. Please participate in the Wikivoyage:Votes for deletion#Athens/South Suburbs thread and the related deletion thread below it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:49, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Hmeil.me, your comments about these bare-outline articles are solicited, too. How many listings do you plan to insert in each article? Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:52, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh hi Boss! By myself or by other volunteers? I thought this site is for collaborative work. So I prepared skeletons. Hmeil.me (talk) 05:39, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So you want https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Palaio_Faliro to be a part of Attica not a suburb of Athens? That is to say postal code 17561 Athens, to be part of the Prefecture of Attica only (Attiki we call it in Greek) and not the region of Athens? Hmeil.me (talk) 05:48, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You expect some other unspecified people to add content? That's not the way it works. If you start an article, you have to provide at least enough content to fulfill Wikivoyage:What is an article. Don't expect anyone else to know about these suburbs. And reread my points about where and how you should make proposals for new regional divisions on this site. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:54, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You said: Don't expect anyone else to know about these suburbs.
Why do travelers use wikivoyage.org? because they know?
Sure, whatever you say! No one else know about "these suburbs"...55 municipalities (suburbs) to be more precise.
Example: State New York. City New York. How many suburbs in NY? Hmeil.me (talk) 06:16, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You are free to suggest how to subdivide any region or city on the relevant talk pages. The subdivitions should be better for the traveller than the current scheme – official borders may be useful in many cases, but they are not by definition. We tend to subdivide things only where there is enough content for the subarticles to be useful. Creating outlines for others to fill in content in is not the Wikivoyage way. However, I assume these are actual suburbs, so they should be redirected to the right article instead of deleted. –LPfi (talk) 10:48, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Shouldn't they be redirected only if we cover these towns in the article where they're redirected? Since no information was given in these articles, I thought the least frustrating thing for readers would be to simply delete them. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:40, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. if I search on Mordor, it will just be confusing to be redirected to a Middle Earth article that doesn't mention Mordor at all. It is better to get no search result than make the reader have to read an article that gives them nothing about what they are looking for. Ground Zero (talk) 18:45, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The question of what to do about nearly-empty skeleton articles has been extensively discussed before; see Wikivoyage_talk:Deletion_policy/Archive_2014-2019#Deleting_NEW_empty_articles and the following sections. My view (a minority position) in that discussion was that before deleting an admin should do a little research. Quoting myself:
However, policy has always been that real places should be redirected rather than deleted so I do not want to delete without checking if the place is real. I'll copy the name into a Google search box or check on WP. Three outcomes are possible:
Not found; it is fictitious or too tiny to have a web presence. OK, delete it.
WP shows it as a decent-sized town, potentially an article here. Add a WP link and geo data if they aren't already there, then leave it.
Speck on the map. Redirect to region or nearby town.
That is, I'd keep or redirect most of the places under discussion.
In the cases under discussion here, I think it is reasonable to ask the creator to at least add "a WP link and geo data" or see Wikivoyage:Cooperating with Wikidata for a newer way to do that. Also add an "isPartOf" tag; see Wikivoyage:Breadcrumb navigation. Without those, the article is merely an annoyance; a user who finds it get no useful info, so it is better to delete it. With them, there's at least a map, a link to the containing region, & a link to WP for more info; at that point, keeping it in hopes others may improve it becomes plausible. Pashley (talk) 09:13, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pashley, if you'd like to do some research and try to rescue these articles, please feel free! If enough content is added, we can keep these articles and subordinate them all to Attica, pending a possible discussion of subdividing Attica into subregions. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:43, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nope. I am not volunteering to do that work. I do not know the region & am not very interested; I've only ever spent a few weeks in Greece & that was decades ago, & nearly all in the islands plus a few days in downtown Athens. What I am saying is that the contributor who created these articles should do at least that much. If not they should be deleted or redirected. Pashley (talk) 00:20, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
about this read the WIAA policy. Ibaman (talk) 12:05, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Dodoni article has content now, so it will not be deleted, although if people stay in Ioannina to take day trips there, it might be better to merge and redirect the information to Ioannina. That's not a deletion nomination, though, and is best discussed on Talk:Dodoni at some point (no rush). I will remove the Votes for deletion tags from that article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:46, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Only a couple of sentences. Seems like all actual content can go in a parent article. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:26, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This article was nominated for deletion in Wikivoyage:Votes for deletion/January 2023, but did not achieve consensus to delete. One of the reasons given was that it has been created in November 2022, and should be given a year to be developed. A year has passed, and it remains a random and arbitrary list of events, seemingly based on a single YouTube video. It is not an organized itinerary, or really a thing. It's just a made-up phrase used by a YouTuber. Ground Zero (talk) 12:44, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Outcome: deleted. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 06:27, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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