Talk:Farnborough

Best article even for a small area, nominating for stars! Znotch190711 (talk) 09:39, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Boxing

This would make an interesting infobox: Heenan v Sayers: The fight that changed boxing forever.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 20:36, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

That was a good read. I've added Farnborough to the boxing article. Gizza ^(roam) 21:07, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

The one detraction, it is purely historical background interest. As far as I know, there is no memorial or marker at the site, and there's certainly no other attractions like an exhibition.

So while an infobox may be appropriate, it is probably a stretch to include Farnborough on the Boxing article.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 19:55, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Star article discussion

Swept from Wikivoyage:Star nominations

I'n definitely biased, but I don't know what more can be done to improve this article. What does anyone else think? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 17:23, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

It looks good but I see some room for improvement. The images are not great - I didn't see the point of the Sel Roti picture unless several places sell it, and I would like to see some general views of the town centre to get a "feel" for the place. The railway station listings could be expanded, with links to WP and National Rail. AlasdairW (talk) 21:36, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

I have not read it through yet, but it looks pretty good. However, I agree with AlasdairW about the pictures; they don't seem to have much to do with the place. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 22:48, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

That's good feedback. Thanks! --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 15:14, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

This article is among the best WV has to offer, and although more/better illustrations could potentially enhance the article, I think it's ready to be a star as it is. —The preceding comment was added by 82.132.185.65 (talk • contribs)

Thanks for your support, IP user.

Re the other points, those are definitely things I can do, but I have a feeling I'll need to take some photos and upload them to Commons, as those that are on there of the town centre are outdated. I will be unavailable to do that in the next two weeks, however, but please be assured it hasn't been forgotten and will get done. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 10:20, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

Is the IP user AC though? --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 14:47, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

Not unless AC has moved from Moscow to South East London since the other day. AC identified himself in his comment above. However, I do think the IP user is someone with WV experience.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 16:42, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

IP addresses are fairly easy to spoof, particularly with open proxies, and the circumstantial evidence (writing style, use of support/oppose templates rather than prose, obvious previous familiarity with WV, previous instances of block evasion i.e. the above comment) is pretty overwhelming. I've blocked the IP user on that basis, not to say that will do much good. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 18:06, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

Fair enough. Nice detective work. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 18:25, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

Plus, in case you didn’t notice, in the preceding nomination he/she mentioned the Brussels districtification. How many IP addresses would know about that? --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 14:37, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Great article! I read through it carefully, and I could only notice a few minor things which perhaps could be improved or expanded. None of them are major concerns, and I don't think it would take much time for anyone to who know Farnborough to deal with them.

• Even though it doesn't seem too hard to get around in Farnborough I always prefer when there are a few words about orientation of a destination. Just a few words to help you get a 'feel' for the place before you actually go there. Are there any notable landmarks or natural boundaries? What parts of the city could be considered central?
• How long does the different commuter-journeys listed in "Get in" take, and what do they cost?
• I didn't really understand the sentence "Less useful is the 'secret' car park on the roof of Sainsbury's...". In what way is it a 'secret' car park? It rather sounds like it is not a car park at all?
• Why are the black sheds famous?
• I didn't really understand the St Michaels Abbey directions. What gates are they mentioning? If it is the Abbey gates, shouldn't that rather be mentioned in the opening hours field?
• St Peters Church lack opening hours, but I couldn't find any on their website.
• How does one get to North Camp? How far is it? And is there any good explanation why the southern suburb is called North camp?
• A few words about where to eat as a vegetarian or a vegan?
• Some of the eat listings lack price indicators. How expensive is a budget restaurant? Could we add Template:Eatpricerange and Template:Sleeppricerange-boxes?
• Are there many or few chain restaurants? The lede claims that they are few, but the budget-lede lists 9, which by my counting is rather many for a small town.
• The last three bullet-points in the "Further afield" section doesn't quiet fit in with the others as they are types of destinations, rather than destinations. I think that it looks a bit odd. Could they be rewritten in into a lede perhaps?

I also saw that User:Davisonio is a docent for Farnborough, and I would like to hear your take on the star nomination. Do you think that the article is complete, or are there any gaps in its coverage of Farnborough? Thank you for a terrific guide! MartinJacobson (talk) 19:47, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

You mentioned church hours. I think for churches the time of a service/mass is actually more helpful than open hours. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 21:04, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

More helpful for worshippers but not for general visitors. I would list open hours and give a link to the church's mass/service schedule. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:30, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

I guess as a listing under "see" I can understand what you mean. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 22:07, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

• It doesn't seem as if any valid user has voted on this article yet. My vote is support; while the pictures could be better, I don't think that is problematic enough that it should stop the article from becoming a star article. The possible improvements that were mentioned by MartinJacobson are valid, and I think they're good things to add, but not including these things does not bring down the quality of the article enough to prevent it from reaching star status, IMO. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 23:27, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

• Support. Beautiful article at this point already. I'll be happy to see more pictures. Hope you are able to upload them soon, TT. Ibaman (talk) 00:49, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

• Comment: The question now is this: is the article ready yet for star status despite the concerns, or should we wait until the concerns are addressed, e.g. the pictures? --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 21:38, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Wait. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:56, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Now that my work on York is mostly complete, I've started addressing the points raised by MartinJacobson above in edits, even explaining the secret car park! Thanks for the great feedback, by the way :)

Regarding the Eat section, there are plenty of fast food chains for sure, but "proper" restaurant chains (i.e. with waiter service and actual cooking talent) are comparatively scarce, compared to plenty of great independents. Perhaps this distinction doesn't matter to a traveller, but I think there is a difference between the likes of Subway / Maccies and Pizza Express / Wagamama (sushi).--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 23:03, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

• Support more stars are always better. Znotch190711 (talk) 09:38, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
• Support This is what a modern star article should read like. I think the criticism that has been mentioned in has been addressed, and although I would like to see current pictures, from a check in the commons, I don't think that can be taken as a not-support. Joshlama1 (talk) 12:55, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
• Support It's time to get this nomination off of this page methinks. SpartanFishy (talk) 16:39, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
• Comment: It looks like, though much other work has been done, no other images were added since I thought this nomination wasn't ready in November, 2018. There is room for about 2 more images. I hope some nice ones can be added in places where there is only text. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:32, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

Mapshape?

@ThunderingTyphoons!, AlasdairW: Would adding a mapshape benefit this article? This is one of the few articles that lack one of them, but can make one if needed (takes no more than a few minutes to do) and it certainly helps with finding the boundaries of Farnborough. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:35, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

That would be great to demonstrate, if it's an easy job. A few of the markers will be outside the boundaries, but it won't be apparent how many until you do it. Depending on how it looks, we can decide whether to keep or revert back to the existing display.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 18:37, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

Map shape would make the map better Tai123.123 (talk) 19:38, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

OpenStreetMaps thinks it's Q635274 that's the relation, but looking at the map (on the right), it also includes Aldershot as well. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 06:42, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Given that Farnborough is contiguous with Aldershot, but we have another article for Aldershot, I guess OSM isn't wrong then. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 06:48, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

I think OSM is using the local government boundary for w:Rushmoor. Thanks for trying. I find that mapshapes are most useful for city districts, where editors can quickly see that the pub they want to add is actually in the next district. AlasdairW (talk) 15:39, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Yes, the boundary shown is for Rushmoor. If one of you is capable of drawing a new mapshape, I can advise you on where to put in the southern line dividing Farnborough from Aldershot. Thanks for trying, ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 18:13, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Unfortunately I don't know how to make a mapshape using geojson.io. Sorry about that. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:55, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

Oh well. I don't think the lack of a mapshape is a problem, but there was no harm in trying.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 11:18, 20 November 2021 (UTC)