Talk:Tobacco

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Smoking travel?

Article in an Indian paper on tourism catering to smokers:

Dump the list?

I think the whole list of smoking restrictions should be removed. One entry talks of a ban "scheduled to take effect in 2008". Checking the history, I find only a dozen edits to that section in the last three years, so it is clearly not well maintained and very likely out of date. I'd say it is unmaintainable and the information belongs in destination articles anyway.

A short paragraph (or just a sentence?) saying that most countries now forbid smoking in most indoor public places is all we need. It might mention a few interesting exceptions — e,g. Hong Kong forbids smoking in many outdoor public spaces while in mainland China smoking is common almost everywhere, and in Ottawa smoking is now forbidden even on the outdoor patio of a bar or restaurant — but I am not certain that is necessary.

If people want to keep this information in the article, it should be turned into a sortable summary table. Readers could then sort on different columns to find places that suit them — strong restrictions, cheap cigarettes or whatever. For an example of such a table, see Wikivoyage:World cities/Large. Pashley (talk) 16:11, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

A year later, list is still there and not updated... I support that it is useless. Amqui (talk) 21:17, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia has "smoking in X" articles for X={Albania, Argentina, Brazil, Canada, China, Colombia, Ecuador, Egypt, England, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hong Kong, Iceland, India, Indonesia, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Macau, Malaysia, New Zealand, Nigeria, Norway, Pakistan, Philippines, Singapore, South Korea, Sweden, Syria, Taiwan, Tokelau, Turkey, United Kingdom, United States, Uruguay} which have a better chance of being updated than anything here. Most of this article seems to be leftover from 2008. Perhaps we should import the WP data and start using lastedit=20xx-xx-xx markers on all list items, like those recently added to {{listing}}? K7L (talk) 16:37, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

I don't think we should import anything. This information belongs in the individual country pages, not here. Powers ^(talk) 17:14, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Would Smoking then be a standard item under Cope? I think there are many things that could be using such a subsection. This kinds of lists could exist in every Cope article (travelling with kids, with pets, as disabled, as LGTB, ...) and could in all cases be argued to be moved to the country articles. I am not sure that is the ideal situation.

Restrictions on smoking are relevant for smokers when they cannot get a cigar after the meal or have difficulties finding anywhere to smoke, while it is for non-smokers when they cannot avoid the smell (and the related symptoms, e.g for the asthmatic). The nuances are not really that important. The summary of what you might have to be prepared for (smoking on buses in some countries, having to go out in -40° to get a smoke in some) might be enough.

We might want to have a Cope: Smoking only in countries where restrictions or lack of them may be a severe problem for the traveller. This may also be something that is best handled on the continent level. There are differences between e.g. Scandinavia on one hand and south and Eastern Europe on the other, but differences between countries in the same region are seldom bigger than what might be errors because of lacking updates.

--LPfi (talk) 10:57, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Preserved list

I have removed the list per discussion above, but am preserving it here:

The following countries and regions have smoke-free areas, although the list is probably not exhaustive:

• Argentina: A 2006 smoking ban in Buenos Aires city prohibits smoking in public areas including bars and restaurants except if the bar is more than 100 m² where it is possible to provide an area for smoking customers. Similar bans in other Argentine cities require bigger establishments to provide a separate, contained area for smoking customers. The rule is not nationwide.

• Armenia: A law went into effect in March 2005 banning smoking in hospitals, cultural and educational institutions and on public transportation. On 1 March 2006 new rules came into effect requiring all public and private institutions, including bars and restaurants, to allow smoking only in special secluded areas. Absences of any legal sanctions against those who violate the smoking laws have made them completely ineffectual.

• Australia: The rules vary from state to state, but there is generally no smoking in public places (e.g. airports, train stations, schools, universities, government administration buildings). Restaurants (and bars in some states) are smoke-free. Public transport (including taxis) is smoke free, as are many outdoor sports venues. Hospitals generally ban smoking anywhere on the premises, including outdoors.

• Austria: No smoking in public places (e.g. airports, train stations, schools, universities, government administration buildings) and on public transport (e.g. trains) (fineable offence). Smoking is allowed in restaurants, bars and cafés. Bars and restaurants of more than 100 square metres must have non-smoking sections.

• Bahrain: Bahrain outlawed smoking in public places on 27 February 2008.

• Bangladesh: No smoking in public places (a fineable offence).

• Belgium: Since January 2007, smoking banned in restaurants and bars, except in the ones that serve "light meals" (e.g. cold meals, pizzas and warm meals that are served with bread instead of French fries) and have less of 30% of their sales from food servings. Small bars are also not included in the ban. Most large bars, such as concert venues, do little to enforce the ban.

• Bhutan: First completely smoke-free country. The sale or use of tobacco is completely prohibited by law.

• Bosnia and Herzegovina: The Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina within the country of Bosnia and Herzegovina, has banned smoking in public buildings since 1 September 2007. There is no ban on smoking in the Republika Srpska (Serbian Republic).

• Brazil: Indoor smoking is banned in Brasilia.

• Canada: Indoor smoking in public places is banned in all provinces and territories individually, as well as in locations under federal jurisdiction. Some provinces restrict smoking in hotel rooms, vehicles or directly outside entrances to public venues; additional restrictions on smoking in Canada may also apply at the municipal level.

• Chile: Chile bans smoking in schools, hospitals, government offices, shopping centers, supermarkets, pharmacies, airports, buses, subway networks and other indoor public places. Smoking in universities indoors is banned, however, smoking is allowed outdoors. Restaurants, with large eateries (over 100 m²) must have fully partitioned nonsmoking sections. Smaller restaurants can choose between being smoke free or being for smokers. The same applies with cafes and pubs. Clubs, despite their size, are able to choose between being smoke free or being for smokers, however, in practice all clubs are "for smokers".

• China: Shanghai Municipality will expand smoking bans from hospitals to kindergartens, schools, libraries and stadiums, effective March 1, 2010. In Guangdong Province, the Municipalities of Guangzhou and Jiangmen have banned smoking in public places, including restaurants, entertainment outlets, schools, supermarkets, and governmental offices on a trial run in 2007, however this is rarely policed. In the Special Administrative Regions of Hong Kong and Macau, smoking bans are stricter and are more effectively enforced.

• Croatia: In April 2010, smoking was banned in all enclosed public places and workplaces including restaurants. Establishments that serve drink but not food can allow smoking if they install special ventilation equipment, and many have opted to do so.

• Cyprus: On July 9, 2009 Cyprus passed a new law, tightening up the ineffective 2002 legislation, which will ban smoking in bars, restaurants, nightclubs and workplaces effective January 1, 2010. Since the introduction of the smoking ban on the 1st January 2010, compliance levels have been very encouraging.

• Denmark No smoking in trains. Restaurants are smoke-free (but some have a smoking-room). Smoking is allowed in bars less than 40 sq meter. So go for larger bars if you want to avoid smoke. The smoking rules are from august 2007, and are not enforced very hard yet, so you can still risk smoke in small bars.

• Estonia: Smoking has been banned within indoor public areas and workplaces, since 2007, also in restaurants, nightclubs etc. Smoking is still allowed in isolated smoking rooms.

• Finland: Indoor smoking in public places is banned, including train stations, restaurants and bars. Smoking is allowed in designated rooms, but these have become rare. Most smokers nowadays do not smoke indoors at home either.

• France: From January 1, 2008, smoking is banned everywhere: public places, schools, bars, restaurants, nightclubs, etc...

• Germany: Smoking legislation varies from state to state, it is being enforced more or less, and some of the legislation is being contested at courts. In general restaurants and cafés are smoke free, but can have a smoking room. Many smaller bars allow smoking. Smoking is prohibited in trains and restricted to designated smoking areas (labelled Raucherbereich) at most of the bigger train stations. Smoking outdoors is allowed virtually everywhere.

• Iceland: From June 1, 2007, smoking is prohibited in all indoor public places, which includes all bars/clubs.

• Ireland: Restaurants and bars are smoke-free. Indoor smoking is banned in all workplaces and public buildings. However, many pub owners have compensated by extending their seating outdoors and there are smoking bedrooms available in most hotels, if you specify that you want one when booking.

• Israel: In Israel it is forbidden to smoke in public closed places since 1983. The law was amended in 2007 so that owners are held accountable for smoking in premises under their responsibility. The ban includes cafes, restaurants discos, pubs and bars, and it is illegal for owners of such places to put ashtrays anywhere inside closed spaces. Also, owners of public places must put "no smoking" signs and prevent visitors from smoking. The fine for owners of public places is NIS 10,000 (around US$2,800) and for smokers - NIS 5000. In spite of this, the smoking bans in Israel are not effective and smoking remains extremely prevalent in public places, especially bars and clubs.

• Italy: Restaurants and bars are smoke-free, as are most hotels.

• Japan: Smoking banned at airports, most train stations, government buildings, but smoking rooms are provided.

• Kazakhstan: Kazakhstan partially banned smoking in public places on April 1, 2003. A full ban was instituted in September 2009.

• Lithuania: Smoking has been banned in restaurants, bars, places where food is served, clubs (except for special cigar and pipe clubs), and nightclubs since 1 January 2007. Furthermore, smoking on public transportation is forbidden except on long-distance trains with special facilities. The ban is well respected, at least in the main cities.

• Luxembourg: Smoking is banned in all indoor public places, like hospitals, shopping centers, schools and restaurants. However, cafés and bars that only serve snacks are exempt from the law. There is a smoking prohibition from 12 noon to 2pm and 7pm to 9pm in cafes in which meals are served.

• Macedonia: Macedonia has a strong national smoking ban in all public indoor areas, and in some cases in outdoor areas. Smoking is banned in bars, cafes, restaurants, nightclubs starting January 1, 2010. Smoking is not banned only in people's homes, at open spaces and public areas free of sporting competitions, cultural and entertainment events, gatherings and other public events.

• Malaysia: Smoking banned in all enclosed indoor buildings except bars.

• Malta: In April 2004, smoking was banned in all enclosed public spaces, including public transportation, clubs and restaurants although smoking areas are allowed.

• Monaco: There has been a ban on smoking in Monaco since 1 November 2008, but does not extend to bars, restaurants and nightclubs.

• Montenegro: Smoking in public places is banned in Montenegro, including public transportation, clubs and restaurants. The ban also forbids smoking advertising and the display of people smoking on television.

• Namibia: On October, 8th 2009, the Namibian National Assembly adopted the Tobacco Products Control Bill, one of the most comprehensive Smoking Bans in the World. The law, once in force will ban "the smoking of tobacco in a public place, any outdoor public place or any area within a certain distance of a window, ventilation inlet, door or entrance". The bill has been voted into law on 16th February 2010.

• Netherlands: Smoking banned in public transport & public buildings. And as of July 1 2008 smoking banned in restaurants, bars and even tobacco stores. Even the (in)famous Coffee shops will not be exempt, however it's still allowed to smoke cannabis in the coffee-shops. Apart from public transport, all companies will be allowed to designate rooms as "smoking rooms", as long as they are especially designated for this.

• New Zealand: Restaurants and bars are smoke-free, although smoking may be permitted in outdoor dining areas. Commercial building owners, including accommodation places, can designate their buildings and grounds as smoke-free. All public transport is smoke-free, even taxis (unless the taxi driver agrees). Smoking can even be prohibited on railway station platforms, hospital grounds, sports stadiums and other outdoor areas where smoking might be expected to be allowed in other countries.

• Norway: Restaurants and bars are smoke-free.

• Philippines: Smoking banned in airports, malls, government buildings, train stations.

• Poland: As of November 15, 2010, smoking is forbidden in all workplaces, train stations, bus depots and most clubs and restaurants. The only exception is when a club or restaurant has a specially designated smoking room that is separated and well ventilated. Bars with only one room are not exempted. Places that violate the ban are fined 2,000 zł while individuals who violate it are required to pay a 500 zł fine.

• Portugal: On May 3, 2007, the Portuguese parliament made a law banning smoking in all public places, except when proper air-ventilation systems are provided. It went into effect January 1, 2008. Smokers who break the law face a fine of up to €1000 (~US$1300) and establishments that break the law will face a fine of up to €2500 (~US$3400). The legal age to purchase tobacco is 18.

• Puerto Rico: Smoking is banned inside jails, restaurants (including open-air terraces with one or more employees), bars, casinos, workplaces, educational institutions, cars with children under age 13 and most public places. Smoking sections are not allowed. Fines start at US$250.

• Qatar: The capital of Qatar, Doha banned smoking in public or closed areas in 2002.

• Saudi Arabia: Smoking is completely banned in the Holy Cities of Mecca and Medina. The sale or use of tobacco is completely prohibited by law in these cities.

• Serbia: In May 2010 a law was adopted which prohibited smoking in all enclosed public spaces and workplaces. Full implementation of the ban started in November. Restaurants, bars and cafes must either ban smoking completely or have smoking and non-smoking sections.

• Singapore: Smoking banned in all indoor buildings, period, unless they have separate ventilation set up for smokers only — and no food or drinks can be served in such areas. Outdoor seating may have only 20% smoking tables, usually demarcated by ashtrays and labels. No smoking at bus stops either.

• Slovenia: On 22 June 2007, the Slovenian National Assembly approved a law prohibiting smoking in all indoor public and work places, effective 5 August 2007. Exempted from the ban are open public areas, special smoking hotel rooms, special smoking areas in elderly care centers and jails, and special smoking chambers in bars and other work places.

• South Africa: Smoking is banned in all enclosed public spaces and places of work. Pubs and bars are excluded from the ban and most restaurants provide smoking sections, either ventilated indoor areas or outdoor open areas.

• Spain: On 21 December 2010, the Spanish Parliament approved a law prohibiting smoking in all indoor public and work places and near hospitals and in playgrounds, becoming effective on 2 January 2011. Smoking is now banned in all enclosed public spaces and places of work, in public transportation, and in outdoor public places near hospitals and in playgrounds. Smoking is also banned in outdoor sections of bars and restaurants. Smoking is banned on television broadcasts as well.

• Sweden: All indoor premises are smoke-free, except designated smoking rooms.

• Syria: Smoking is banned inside cafes, restaurants and other public spaces by a presidential decree issued on 12 October 2009. The decree also outlaws smoking in educational institutions, health centers, sports halls, cinemas and theatres and on public transport. The restrictions include the nargile, or water pipe. A fine of 2,000 Syrian pounds (~US$46) is imposed on those who break the ban. Under-18s are not allowed to buy tobacco.

• Thailand: Extensive ban issued in 2002, covering most air-conditioned public places including department stores, shopping malls restaurants, theatres and buses; extended in 2006 to cover all trains, hotel lobbies, health spas, beauty salons and massage parlours; extended again in 2008 to cover bars and nightclubs. Fines start at 2000 baht (approx US$60), but enforcement (esp. in nightlife areas) is spotty.

• Turkey: Smoking is banned in public places (e.g. airports, metro stations and indoor train stations, schools, universities, government administration buildings, in all workplaces, concert halls, theatres and cinemas) and on public transport (airplanes, ferries, trains, suburban trains, subways, trams, buses, minibuses, and taxis). Smoking is banned in sports stadiums, the only outdoor areas where this ban is extended. It is a finebale offence of 69 liras (~ €32, $45, £28). Separately smoking is also banned, in restaurants, bars, cafes, traditional teahouses, the remaining air-conditioned public places including department stores and shopping mall restaurants; and there are no exceptions as indoor non-smoking sections are also banned. Apart from a fine of 69 liras (~ €32, $45, £28) for smokers, there is a heavy fine of 5,000 liras (~€2,318, $3,260, £2,028) for owners, for failing to enforce the ban properly and that is why it is strictly enforced.

• Uganda: In March 2004, smoking was banned in public places, including workplaces, and restaurant & bars. An extension to private homes is being considered.

• United Arab Emirates: Some Emirates in the United Arab Emirates recently started banning smoking in shopping malls and public places. States leading the ban on smoking include Abu Dhabi, Ajman, Dubai and Sharjah.

• United Kingdom: Smoking is now banned in all enclosed public places, including bars, pubs and restaurants. There are no exceptions. On-the-spot fines are around £50, although the owner of the premises could be fined several thousand pounds for failing to enforce the ban properly.
  • Wales: This was actually the first country in the UK to decide to ban smoking in all enclosed public places but the Welsh Assembly Government lacked the powers to introduce the law until 2 April 2007, whereupon the ban came into force.
  • Scotland: Smoking in all enclosed places of work (including restaurants and bars) is forbidden. Violation of the law may result in a £50 on-the-spot fine (approx US$85).
  • England: Since the first of July 2007 smoking has been banned in all enclosed public places including pubs and restaurants. England is therefore the last country in the UK to introduce the smoking ban.
  • Northern Ireland: Smoking in all enclosed places of work (including restaurants and bars) is forbidden. Violation of the law may result in a £50 on-the-spot fine (approx US$85).

• United States of America:
  • Arizona, Delaware, New York (state), New Jersey, New Mexico, Florida, California, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Maine, North Dakota, Washington State, Tennessee, Georgia, Colorado, Oklahoma, Illinois, Utah, Rhode Island, Vermont, Maryland, North Carolina and Ohio restaurants are smoke-free. Many cities also have municipal smoking bans which apply to restaurants.
  • In other states, restaurants above a certain size must have non-smoking sections.
  • The state of California, New York City and some other large cities ban smoking in all public indoor places, including bars.
  • Most airports are non-smoking, or have designated smoking rooms.

• Uruguay: Indoor smoking is banned in all the country.

• Vatican City: On July 1, 2002 a law signed by Pope John Paul II became effective which banned smoking on all places accessible to the public and in all closed places of work within the Vatican City and within all extraterritorial properties of the Holy See. Smoking bans in museums, libraries and churches on Vatican territory were already in force before that date for a long time.

Comment or contributions needed

I have just edited most sections of the article & think I have improved it. The biggest change was removing the long list; see above, but I also expanded several other sections.

It now needs comment & contributions from others. Pashley (talk) 19:56, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Page move Smoking -> Tobacco

I don't understand why this page was moved, especially without prior discussion.

The stated reason is that the article includes discussion of smokeless tobacco, and does not include non-tobacco smoking. But the version immediately prior to the move clearly does just the opposite; it includes non-tobacco products while making no mention of non-smoked tobacco.

Am I missing something here?

-- Powers ^(talk) 18:52, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

New page banner nominated

What do you say about this banner? /Yvwv (talk) 15:40, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

I think the current one identifies the article more clearly – it took a second or two for me to get what the new one is about – while the new one might have a bias towards buying of tobacco products. --LPfi (talk) 17:40, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

An excellent suggestion, Yvwv, but I admit to a bias toward simple, iconic banners... especially on travel topics. I would prefer to keep the current banner. Powers ^(talk) 01:55, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Liquid Nicotine

Swept in from the pub

So this edit to Germany by an IP editor made me aware of an issue that I do not care the least about personally (being anon-smoker) but which might be relevant to deal with in some of our guides. Should this be handled on a by-country basis or should we rather cover this in some omnibus travel topic? And what exactly are the rules? Hobbitschuster (talk) 14:41, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

For the travel topic, see Tobacco. Some things can also be mentioned in anything from a country article down to a hotel listing, if either there are rules that will be a problem for smokers or smoke will be a problem for others. Pashley (talk) 15:27, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

I am specifically referring to the whole liquid whatever stuff. Apparently the rules there are different. Hobbitschuster (talk) 16:25, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Perhaps there should be an e-cigarette section on Tobacco. However, country-specific rules and laws should definitely be in the 'Get in' of the relevant country. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 16:29, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Ideally this would be in the Customs part of "Get in". However as Germany doesn't seem to have any information on customs I see why the author has put the vaping liquid allowances where he has (also pity he didn't link to a customs website to backup the 20ml limit). AlasdairW (talk) 21:03, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Vaping is very popular in the U.S. I think it should get more than a 1-word mention. Yes, there should be a section on it. I wouldn't be able to add it, though, as I've never partaken and don't plan to. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:14, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Not all e-cigarettes deliver nicotine using the same mechanisms or even in a steady stream in terms of dosage. Nicotine dosing can also be customized. Jeloantonio (talk) 05:40, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

If there's anything erroneous in the article, go ahead and correct it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:09, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

You can now choose an e-liquid that matches your current nicotine level. Some vape pen has 1.4 ML nicotine oil per stick like Bidi. Not bad at all.--Kayemailey (talk) 07:26, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

[outdent] I am not sure we need to cover e-liquids in the Get in sections: they are among the things you should check, like alcohol, medicines, guns etc. We should warn about the liquids being such an item here in Tobacco and in Border crossing, but I suppose we cannot keep up to date on the specific regulations. In Finland I know some of the liquids are illegal (and others are covered by restrictions). –LPfi (talk) 04:55, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

I added a mention at those pages. –LPfi (talk) 05:51, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

NZ restrictions

New Zealand wants to make smoking illegal "entirely smoke-free by 2025" Pashley (talk) 22:55, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

I hope Australia does the same too. SHB2000 (talk) 05:56, 18 April 2021 (UTC)