Talk:Golan Heights

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I rolled back a change of one instance of "1981" in the text; if there's a reason to change it to 1967, let's do that throughout the text. If there's some sort of controversy or an idea that the 14 years' difference somehow validates the claim more than otherwise, let's drop the date exactly. Our job isn't to give information to a time-traveller visiting 1974. Let's not waste time arguing about history, but just give the traveller information necessary for visiting this part of the world. --(WT-en) Evan 23:25, 2 December 2006 (EST)

Listing under Israel[edit]

Not to be all political, but shouldn't it better to associate this location with Israel, since all the "get in" information describes ways to go there only from Israel. As a matter of fact, ALL information in this page is about Israel and with no way to access this place from Syria, there is no point in putting it under Middle East or Syria (which is how i arrived to this article in the first place) in the very least, separate it to Israeli side and Syrian side - they are very VERY distinct...

While on the matter it makes sense to break the link from the Syria page. Even if there were peace and an open border (which has never been), the article still fits under Israel

I rather agree. Dividing it like Dead Sea (Israel and the West Bank) and Dead Sea (Jordan) makes sense. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:09, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
Ceever would like to change the hierarchy to fit this under Israel, however w:Golan_Heights makes it clear that 1/3 of the 'controlled' area is still in Syria (perhaps a relative term with regards to Syria, however Israel is not controlling it).
Does it not make sense to make this an extra-hieracical page and create seperate articles for Golan Heights (Israel) and Golan Heights (Syria) ? Andrewssi2 (talk) 22:23, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
I think most people think of the Israeli controlled part of the Golan Heights when they hear the unqualified term. At any rate, this article seems to only deal with the Israeli controlled part, which means it should be breadcrumbed there. Now as for adding a disambiguation to the title, I am not sure whether that is necessary for the Israeli controlled part, but I don't think we should convert this guide into a disambig page - rather a new disambig page should be created, because as I said, this guide mostly deals with the Israeli controlled part. Hobbitschuster (talk) 22:29, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
Yeah, that sounds right. And no civilians are likely to visit the Syrian-controlled (Al Qaeda-controlled?) part any time soon. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:31, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
Hobbitschuster : If you read what I was asking, it was for an extra-region, not a disambiguation. Just because the Syrian part is a bit of a no-go zone, doesn't mean it shouldn't be covered surely? It can be under Hauran in our extremely undeveloped Syria articles. Andrewssi2 (talk) 23:15, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
Well given that the two sides have next to nothing in common the extraregion would not contain much more than a disambig. And given that this article on the Israeli controlled part is rather developed, I suggest moving this (if need be) and creating the disambig/extraregion from scratch rather than cutting down here and then re-expanding over at Golan Heights (Israel). Also the current name is uncontroversial, but having it say (Israel) is bound to draw the sorts of folks who think calling the site of the Jewish Temple the site of the Jewish Temple somehow constitutes racism against Arabs or the likes. Hobbitschuster (talk) 23:20, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
We'll deal with them the same way we've dealt with nationalists on both sides of the Kashmiri conflict: By reiterating the neutral Wikivoyage policy of simply accepting all faits accomplis, regardless of our personal likes or dislikes. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:29, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
Politics aside, we still have an article that covers significant (undisputed) territory within Syria proper. Surely that is an extra-region scenario? Andrewssi2 (talk) 23:41, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
Let's create an extraregion article for the Golan Heights, referring both to the Israeli controlled side (which remains bread-crumbed under Israel, so travellers can actually find it) and to the Syrian side. With the extraregion article concentration on the information that lies outside of relevance for Israel travellers. Would that be a solution? Ceever (talk) 17:19, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
I don't think that's the whole solution. I think that the extraregion article has to point to both this article (edited to remove most of the info about the Syrian-controlled[?] side) and an article about the Syrian-controlled side, however brief it will be. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:27, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
I agree. Ceever (talk) 19:42, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
I agree too. The Golan Heights (Syria) page will be short, but what can you do. Ar2332 (talk) 21:27, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
I made the changes, which I hope are agreeable to everyone. It retains the predominant nature of Israeli control over the area, whilst acknowledging there is a Syrian region as well. There wasn't much content to merge over to the new Syria article. Andrewssi2 (talk) 22:41, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Citizenship[edit]

Not to start a political debate that is totally besides the point, but I have heard that people residing in the Golan Heights (in a similar situation to East Jerusalem) can apply for Israeli citizenship if they so chose, which is not the case for the West Bank or Gaza. Apparently many younger Druze are now taking advantage of that, some even giving up Syrian citizenship due to the recent political developments... Maybe (some of) this might be interesting background? If not, that's fine as well Hobbitschuster (talk) 20:14, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

Yes, this has been reported by Times of Israel, for example. It could be worth mentioning, but most of the Druses in the Israel-ruled part of the Golan are still Syrian citizens. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:31, 10 July 2016 (UTC)


Alternative banner for this article?[edit]

Banner currently used in this article
Suggested new alternative banner

I have previously created an alternative banner for this article (which was initially created for the parallel article at the Hebrew Wikivoyage, but I decided to suggest we'll use it here at the English Wikivoyage article as well). Which banner do you prefer that we'll use on the top of this article? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 13:31, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

I expect that the current one is more representative of the region as a whole, but I like the playfulness of a skiing scene in the Middle East. If it's good enough for Hebvoy, then bring on the new one.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 15:31, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
We ended up choosing this banner for the Golan Heights article at Hebvoy as the ski resort of the Hermon mountain is definitely the most popular tourist attraction at the Golan Heights. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 16:09, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
Interesting. It doesn't look much different from other ski resorts, and I don't know if the current banner looks much different from other areas. I would certainly respect the views of Hebvoy users on this. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:32, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
While Israeli readers would go to the Golan Heights principally for skiing, is the same true for foreign visitors. When I saw the heights from Jordan in October, skiing didn't occur to me. Ground Zero (talk) 11:59, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
October is way too early for skiing, even in the Alps. If the choice is between the current amorphous "anywhere in the world" landscape, and the skiing image, I definitely pick the latter.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 16:14, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
Both images are kind of generic but the new banner is still more interesting overall. Gizza (roam) 04:00, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Another suggestion: Ground Zero (talk) 11:03, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

banner 3
Thanks, Ground Zero. It seems the most colorful of the three banners. ויקיג'אנקי, what do you think of the new banner? Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:37, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
That banner is actually already used in the Golan Trail article - both on Engvoy and Hebvoy (should we use the same banners over several articles?). Either way, in my opinion it would still be preferable to use a banner that shows the most popular tourist destination in the Golan Heights, even though a picture that has a lot of snow is less colorful than the current suggested alternatives. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 15:24, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
Oh, I didn't realize it was already used. No, two articles shouldn't use the same pagebanner. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:25, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
I'm glad we're using #3 already, but I still prefer #2.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 19:45, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
I am against #2. The Hermon site in ski season is very unrepresentative of the Golan as a whole. Snow is almost never seen in the Golan except on the Hermon, and even the Hermon has no snow for more than half the year. As for visits, the ski site is very popular for a few months in winter, but the hiking trails are popular all year long. As the page says, "Hiking is the activity of choice in the Golan Heights." And the ski site is not really special as far as ski sites go, it is only popular because Israelis have no other domestic ski options. In short I think the banner should be some kind of green landscape, perhaps with a snowy Hermon in the background. Ar2332 (talk) 07:38, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Banner #3 SHB2000 (talk) 12:18, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

  • My preference is for the current banner, which reminds me of the Golan Heights. I visited in December several years ago and didn't see snow. And it makes sense to me that skiing would be more of an activity for Israelis than for international travelers. The third banner is lovely, but as noted above, it's already used. —Granger (talk · contribs) 08:38, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

"Other destinations"[edit]

The other destinations are all identified as moshavim shitufiim, and thereby communities, so I think they don't belong in "Other destinations", but they could be given their own (sub)category, with a brief explanation of what a moshav shitufi is (much shorter than the short Wikipedia article about them, just a sentence or so). Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:19, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

A subcategory of 'Cities', presumably? Perhaps a couple of See or Do listings could be copied into 'Other destinations' to keep that section alive.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 09:06, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
A subcategory would be the most normal thing to do. I don't think it's essential to have an "Other destinations" section, but I would think Mt. Hermon would be in one. and maybe some waterfalls and so forth. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:47, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
I'm not sure why this is in the page at all. We are talking about small residential communities of no particular interest to travelers, as far as I can tell. Some of them happen to contain attractions (like "Robotic dairy farm" in Avnei Eitan) but those attractions are already listed separately. Ar2332 (talk) 07:58, 19 March 2021 (UTC)