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Redirect and disambiguation ban for Soumya-8974

Discussion at the pub

== UBN ==

Swept in from the pub

There is a discussion underway here about what to do about ongoing contributions by an editor who has made unilateral changes repeatedly. Other views would be appreciated, and not just three views, excluding myself. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:26, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Just a reminder that at the top of this pub page it says "If you'd like to draw attention to a comment to get feedback from other Wikivoyagers, try Requests for comment." Nurg (talk) 01:14, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Nurg, I'm well aware of that. But there's no spot for ban nominations and this is for a topic ban, not a policy. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 01:23, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Right, well, I think it's fine to create a new section heading at Requests for comment. Nurg (talk) 02:24, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Done SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 02:29, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Discussion here

From what I know, there's been around 10 of their redirects being deleted recently, and a lot of us, especially @Pashley: has dealt with their unilateral redirects with Soumya. Soumya has also failed to listen to all of our talk page messages, and is banned on the English Wikipedia for the same reason. So what I'm proposing is:

For redirects

1. No touching, tampering with or creating redirects until January 24 2022 00:50, including nominating redirects at vfd (even if it is meant to go for deletion).
2. If this is broken, each and every time this ban is broken, there is an extra 60 days added to the redirect ban.
3. Existing redirects may not be turned into an article, unless they get the consensus on the talk page. If so, someone else can add the article structure with Soumya only being able to add content to it onwards.
4. (edit 01:04) Existing articles that if Soumya would propose to be redirected, they must use the {{Merge}} and get consensus on the talk page first (so basically NOT do what I and Ground Zero do, until this user gains our trust again because of too many unilateral changes. This also applies, even if they think it's beneficial)

For disambiguations

1. They may not make any unilateral changes. The only thing they can do to disambiguation pages is add cities/parks/towns/airports to it until January 24 2022 00:50.

While it would have made sense that I started this thread two weeks ago, I just realized that after SelfieCity deleting wv:DAB and we may as well get started. The lack of communication and looking at their most recent 100 changes, it seems like a ban is the only way to go. I never wanted to do this, but it seems that they've got the most out of us.

--SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:47, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Last edit on July 5. I would support this, though. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:55, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

A lot of his edits to Eastern Europe are reverted though. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 01:32, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

I don't see a contradiction. His last edit was on July 5. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:19, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Oh yes. My bad. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 03:26, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

• Support per nomination. Ground Zero (talk) 12:13, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
• Support --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 10:40, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

Anyone else? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:16, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

• Sorry to be contrarian, but is there really a need for this ban? How disruptive have the edits really been? I had the impression the user had caused quite a lot of VfD work, but having gone back over this year's archives there was very little directly caused by him. Doesn't the user at least deserve a proper warning relating to future actions (i.e. if you do this again, then we will impose this...) while he's active, rather than sneaking this in while he's offline several weeks after the last contentious edit? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 10:54, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Well, let's start off with December. He was topic banned on the English Wikipedia last year for redirects, but later got perma banned indefinitely for racism and lack of competence. Then he was more active here, but was still making the same mistakes as on Wikipedia here. He's moved pages with no discussion, changed a couple of tags on the bottom (while he's correct, it was the lack of communication), never communicated with us on their talk page except for once due to my harsh worded message, acting as a complete surprise here when they got reverted like I don't exist, just unilaterally changed disambiguation pages (see User talk:The dog2) and more recently, just removed a redirect to Eastern Europe and just restored the article with no discussion whatsoever, in which a whole thread was started at the pub because of this, and despite numerous pings and talk page messages, they never responded

If this was simplewiki, they'd have been banned indefinitely by now, but we don't have that one strike policy for those banned on other wiki's and doing the same mistakes as before. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:09, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

I think you weaken your argument with the last paragraph. I don't think we'll ever have a one-strike policy. That's a really good way to lose good contributors over one mistake. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:08, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

To clarify simplewiki has the one strike policy for those block on another wiki, and are then making the same mistakes on simple as well. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 21:42, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

I see. We have no such automatic policy, though. I still think it weakens your argument. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:04, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

I know. But still, regardless, this user is banned on enwiki, and rather than their approach of just block indef (although they were also blocked for racism), I hope rather we can take some time to educate Soumya. In no way am I questioning their work towards Asian (mainly South and South East) destinations, it is just the redirects whom educating has failed. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:08, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

I think I agree with ThunderingTyphoons!' argument above. He hasn't been active for 3 weeks. Let's guarantee a topic ban as outlined if he creates additional unnecessary redirects, rather than giving him a topic ban while he's inactive. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:26, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

@Ikan Kekek, ThunderingTyphoons!: This user has been on commons and on wikidata recently. See this. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:30, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Considering the number of warnings we gave to editors who were far more egregious, I tend to agree with ThunderingTyphoons and Ikan Kekek and think this is too hasty. I personally don't see bans on other wikis or even other languages of Wikivoyage as factors that should influence our decision. Each wiki is governed in different ways with different rules. Gizza ^(roam) 05:38, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Well, we did give them warnings for a number of things, and here's just a list of things they did that diverted the community's attention, when this could've been easily avoidable if they had learnt their lesson on the English Wikipedia. I'll not list all of them though.

1. Unilaterally changed Hydrabad airport which doesn't merit its own article
2. The user changed Tibetan Empire from Extra hierarchal region. While this was technically correct, the lack of communication left some to question.
3. Created a bunch of Taiwan redirects, which caused a political debacle at vfd.
4. Asked Bengal (India) to be undeleted when they didn't look at the Bangladesh perspective
5. Unilaterally changed the redirect on Canton and Teochew, which @Pashley: and I reverted
6. Made TW and MO redirects, but this is not an encyclopedia
7. Removed the redirect to Eastern Europe after 12 years with no discussion, and failed to engage in discussion on the pub.

But I would like to rather educate this user, and hopefully they realize that we don't need this whole blob of redirects. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:58, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose. I agree with TT, IK and DG that we don't need a topic ban just now. If he doesn't return or returns without doing problematic edits (or slightly problematic as just as a small portion of total edits), we don't need to do anything. If he starts doing problematic edits, I won't oppose somebody warning him clearly and explicitly that these types of edit can get him banned. –LPfi (talk) 09:25, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

• Mostly I'm a bit of a reactionary about blocks; I really think they should be a last resort & have sometimes wondered if other admins were too quick to apply one. In this case, though, I've seen enough irritating behaviour that if he or she does it again, I'd be quite ready to slap on a short (1-3 day) block as a wake-up call. Pashley (talk) 11:56, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

OK, but what do you think about the topic of discussion? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 12:12, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Technical questions

Is it actually possible to create the sort of selective block proposed above? How? I took a look at the menu presented when you click on "block" next to a user name & saw no obvious way to do it. Did I miss something?

Is there a way to add a user to one's watchlist, so you'll see all their edits? Yes, I can find them on recent changes or go to the user page every few days & click "contributions", but is there an easier way? Pashley (talk) 12:24, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

I don't think either of those things are possible, though could be wrong. While the second one sounds tempting, particularly for sysops, in reality it would facilitate (and possibly encourage) user stalking.

If this topic ban were adopted in the future, it would be up to all of us to just keep track of the user's edits, and there are enough people on recent changes patrol that this would be realistic. —The preceding comment was added by ThunderingTyphoons! (talk • contribs) 12:31, 29 July 2021

Sadly not. All we have to do is just monitor on whether they are tampering with redirects or not. They can still edit redirects, but they are banned, so if so, then they get a 60 day extension. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:37, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

You can also of course filter recent changes to just show logged actions such as page moves and creations.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 12:43, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

There is also the possibility of using [I'm not allowed to disclose publically or else I'll get accused of outing]. This was used on commons towards A1Cafel using flickr2commons. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:45, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

DhrGabriel

This user's content has been a mix of what's questionable and what's not. Special:Diff/4308673 is an obvious case of vandalism, but they have done a useful edit to The Hague on October the 10th. I also wonder why this user is making so many misspellings. Their userpage state's they're an en-4, but I doubt someone who's an en-4 would make that many spelling mistakes (unless that's how it's spelled in Dutch). Then there's the mix of good and bad edits at Special:Diff/4310156 which I didn't notice they're blanked a section which was later restored by FredTC.

Nearly all of this user's edits are to their userpage as well with some unusual things on their userpage such as "Do not revert my edits. They are very useful" or "Do not delete this page. I am not spam." giving me a suspicion about this user. I personally feel that this user is not here to build a travel guide, given all of this, and hence this ban nom. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 13:22, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

I note that this user has spelled questions as "quastions" on their userpage, but google translate seems to be giving me "vragen". So it's clearly not a nl to en translation error. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 13:38, 14 October 2021 (UTC)