Talk:Kuala Lumpur

Archived discussions Talk:Kuala Lumpur/Archive 2003-2012

Getting to Guide

On the Forbes magazine list of the world's most visited cities (see Wikivoyage:World cities/Large and sort on the 'F' column), KL ranks 8th. It is the highest-ranking city with an article status of Usable. Can we get it to Guide? Guide status is also required for a nomination at Wikivoyage:Destination of the month candidates and KL would be an obvious candidate if the article were ready.

The article itself looks ready to me; I haven't checked in detail, but at any rate it is certainly close. The main obstacle to Guide status is that it requires all district articles to be at Usable, and several currently are not. The last four on the list at Kuala_Lumpur#Districts each need at least a few entries added for See/Do/Eat/Sleep to get there.

Volunteers? Pashley (talk) 11:32, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Agree Kianchin (talk) 04:45, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Kuala Lumpur International Airport (KLIA)

I believe Kuala Lumpur International Airport (KLIA) needs its own airport article as per the Airport expedition. It is a major hub in the region, alongside Singapore Changi and Hong Kong International. I will create the article later if no one objects? Andrewssi2 (talk) 23:48, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

It's a large airport, and as you say, a hub, but the section on KLIA in the article isn't very long or unwieldy. How much of what kind of text would you want to add to what's already in the article? Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:58, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

I agree that KLIA isn't a huge section at present, however I still think it deserves its own article because A) It is a good distance away from KL, B) It is the gateway to all of Malaysia, not just KL, and C) It is a significant transport hub between places such as Australia and Europe and D) The new T2 terminal is being built that will make it very huge.

I walked through it yesterday and thought that it was rather significant an airport --Andrewssi2 (talk) 11:05, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Apologies, I didn't answer your question. Basically add shops, lounges, restaurants, coffee shops, internet and sleep options which are currently not covered. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 11:09, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

In that case, I'd say go for it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:10, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Yes, if you're going to add more information then go ahead and create the article. ϒpsilon (talk) 20:06, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

OK great. Sitting in Kuala Lumpur International Airport right now. Andrewssi2 (talk) 07:08, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Happy travelling! Are you coming or going from KL? Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:20, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! Actually just leaving after only 3 days (business meetings). I was in KL a couple of years ago for 2 weeks and had a great time, especially visiting Malacca. I hope I get to go for longer next time. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 23:40, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Districts

I agree Winter.daniel92.here... I have renamed it on de: de:Kuala Lumpur/Tuanku Abdul Rahman, Chow Kit und Kampung Baru.. One more point. You have listed the Masjid Jamek in this article. It should be removed because its part of the Kuala_Lumpur/Central and it's listed there already. Kuala Lumpur/Ampang could be moved to Kuala Lumpur/East there are more parts like e.g. Cheras. And the article includes the independent town of Ampang, not only the Ampang district of KL (this is confusing).... I have separated the Lake Gardens from the Central KL because of the huge amount of information. I am working on KL right now as an example to be stated in our press release next month.... The outer districts are going to be improved next week. Feel frr to pick some information for your articles here. Selamat tahun baru 2014! -- DerFussi 09:40, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

On the face of it, all of this sounds reasonable to me. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:17, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Districts 2017

I tried to improve the KL districts set-up a bit. Please have a look here. Below is a summary of the main changes:

1. Combined Bangsar and Brickfields to South of city center. Not enough relevant sights for tourists in Bangsar to be worth of a separate article, in my opinion. The few worthwhile eateries, bars and malls there can be described in South of city center.
2. Botanical Garden as new article. Currently the sights of the Garden are described in Brickfields.
3. Furthermore a dynamic map has been set up.
4. The rest remains more or less as it was. Just the naming of the articles can be improved, I would say.

Any comments? I would just move forward and update the Kuala Lumpur page once I am done creating the 2 new articles. Thanks.--Renek78 (talk) 11:30, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Just a marginal comment: We should use British spellings, so "centre", not "center", and for capitalisation, I'd use "North of City Centre", because otherwise, it looks funny to me as an article title or in a regions list. I may get some pushback on this, though. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:44, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks Ikan Kekek. The pages are now updated. I also renamed a few of the articles.--Renek78 (talk) 12:36, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Another comment: The map is still saved in my sandbox in Commons, since I don't know, where this type of geodata is supposed to be stored.--Renek78 (talk) 12:44, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

I guess that kind of question might be most usefully asked either at the Village Pump in Commons or the Travellers' pub here. Thanks for your work! Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:35, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Is taxi advice racist?

This text from Kuala_Lumpur#By_taxi caught my eye: "Malay drivers are generally more inclined to use the meter than Chinese or Indian ones." I've been to KL a few times and never experienced the general negative aspects of taxi drivers in this section, however I don't claim to be widely traveled there. is this particular point true and sage advice? Or is it possibly 'light racism' from an over enthusiastic contributor? Andrewssi2 (talk) 09:55, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

Unfortunately it's probably both true and 'light racism' simultaneously (and provides a potted explanation of why the Malaysian government found it necessary to introduce and retain the "Bumiputera" policy...) --118.93nzp (talk) 04:28, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

See also: http://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21576654-elections-may-could-mark-turning-point-never-ending-policy --118.93nzp (talk) 04:33, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

The complicated ethnic makeup of Malaysia aside, I'm just asking whether anyone with good local knowledge knows if this is relevant advice?

I get the impression from the style of writing in the article about safety that it was written by a local person in the first place. Andrewssi2 (talk) 04:54, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

I'm not so sure. There is also advice on in the same section which urges the traveller to watch out for counterfeit notes given as change, and if in doubt to refuse RM100 notes. Since RM100 is the largest denomination Malaysian banknote in circulation, you're unlikely to receive one from a cabbie as change. A taxi from KLIA to the city centre should cost less than RM100. I'd recommend deleting the sentence based on a lack of objective evidence that ethnic Malay taxi drivers as a group are any more honest or dishonest than ethnic Chinese or Indian cabbies. (I last visited KL in December 2013 on a business trip and took two cab rides). Jnich99 (talk) 08:07, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I picked up the RM100 note thing as well (although couldn't recall if it was the largest note). Hard to think of a scenario where you would get change larger than RM50. Andrewssi2 (talk) 09:04, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

I've made the relevant deletions. If anyone would like to reinsert, please discuss here first. Jnich99 (talk) 09:04, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

New banner

Banner 1

Banner 2 (current)

Banner 3

Banner 4

I'm finding the existing banner a bit blurry, and aside from the Petronas towers not particularly distinct for KL. Would anyone object to looking for a replacement? --Andrewssi2 (talk) 09:01, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

You might be able to find something better. Go for it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:29, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Maybe Banner 2 is a little bit better? I plunged forward and replaced it. --Renek78 (talk) 13:14, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

I would agree that it's somewhat better. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:04, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

Added a 3rd banner. Unfortunately there is a watermark in the center. Else my personal top pick. --Renek78 (talk) 15:13, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Watermarks make it an absolute no-go. If you could remove the watermark, you could renominate it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:56, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Added a 4th picture, which has been taken just now. Not super crisp though... Banner 3 without a watermark would be stunning! --Renek78 (talk) 11:35, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

• Banner 4 SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 11:43, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

I think I prefer Banner 2 to Banner 4, as the sky is nicer (it's hazy/smoggy in Banner 4). However, if the skyline in Banner 2 is currently less accurate, maybe we have to consider changing banners. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:06, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

My experience of KL, while there were forest fires in Borneo, is one of haze, but I don't find 4 to be as interesting as 2. I prefer Banner 2. Ground Zero (talk) 17:41, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

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File was kept (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File_talk:Kuala_Lumpur_Skyline_at_dusk_(cropped).jpg), thus reverted the changeset.--Renek78 (talk) 09:31, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Diamond Triangle (Old City Centre, Botanical Garden & North of City Centre)

Just something on top of my head and everyone's opinion is very much needed. We have Kuala Lumpur Golden Triangle that covers the area of Bukit Bintang and Pudu area which is pretty much very modernize. Again, on top of my head, I was thinking if we could classified Old City Centre, Botanical Garden & North of City Centre as Diamond Triangle. Some of you may ask why? I'll tell you why.

Diamonds are famous for their sparkle, or brilliance and it loses its value overtime but it will always, deeply stays at the bottom of our heart and this is how we come out with the word Diamond. These 3 districts used to be the melting pot of Malaysians and was once the city centre until Golden Triangle took over it's role. Now we can see how does this all rhyme together, Old City Centre used to shine a lot as the main place of KL but it has loses its value over time but yet it will forever be a place we all mesmerize.

I am hoping if all of you can agree on my theory and is given green light to classify these 3 districts as Diamond Triangle. I have prepared a write-ups for it and is available to upload in no time at all. Thanks xx Kianchin (talk) 02:23, 06 July 2020 (UTC)

I agree with the Diamond Triangle theory, I don't see anything wrong with above mentioned points. As far as I'm concerned, it is important for us to not forget what makes today's Kuala Lumpur Golden Triangle - The Diamond Triangle. Caiyenphang (talk) 03:14, 06 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi, guys. I moved the new topic to the bottom, which is where people look for new topics. What is your proposed new districting scheme for the city? In other words, which districts are you proposing for there to be articles for, what are their boundaries, and about how many listings would you expect there to be in each district? Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:44, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Hey Mr. Ikan, we were thinking of putting the areas in Old City Centre, Botanical Garden & North of City Centre in our scheme. The boundaries shall start from Sentul Depot and mark the end in Kuala Lumpur Railway Station. Something to clarify, what do you mean by listing? Kianchin (talk) 06:11, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

See Wikivoyage:Listings, but basically, what it means is anything that's interesting enough to cover specifically in the "See", "Do", "Buy", "Eat", "Drink" or "Sleep" sections (there can be listings in "Get in" or "Get around" sometimes, but those are rarely a reason to visit a neighborhood (and when they are, they are often given "See" listings, such as the one for Amsterdam Centraal railway station in Amsterdam/Binnenstad#See. Could you mention all the districts you'd want to divide the city into, for the purposes of this site? Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:14, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Understand where are you coming from. We were thinking of putting about 7 listings under Diamond Triangle. As mentioned earlier, we wanted to put these 3 districts (Old City Centre, Botanical Garden & North of City Centre) as one district namely Diamond Triangle as these districts lie so many history in it and it used to be the old" CBD of Kuala Lumpur. We have had Golden Triangle now and I am thinking if we could frame these districts as one district namely 'Diamond Triangle'. Kianchin (talk) 08:37, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Each of those districts has a substantial article: Kuala Lumpur/Central, Kuala Lumpur/Botanical Garden, Kuala Lumpur/North of City Centre. I think that combining them into a single district would ill-serve travellers and create an overly long article. I will have to oppose your proposal. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:43, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Totally understand, I am thinking if we could combine them as one (Diamond Triangle) without adjusting any of it's articles. Instead, we combine the articles into one. Do you think that this could work better? Kianchin (talk) 08:55, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

That's what I just opposed, unless I missed something. You're proposing to combine the three articles into one. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:01, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

We could write a summary about Diamond Triangle at the same time it still directs travelers to its substantial article, what say you? Kianchin (talk) 09:07, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

You could mention someplace like after the listing for Southern suburbs and before the paragraph that starts "Beyond the Kuala Lumpur city proper" that the combination of the neighbourhoods we're talking about is called Diamond Triangle nowadays. Or are you suggesting doing an extraregion article about it? You could do that if you think it would be useful, but if you do, look at some of the articles in Category:Extra regions first. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:10, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

I am thinking if we could do both as what we are writing would actually benefit many travelers/readers. We would cover so much travel guide under this Diamond Triangle (A combination of Old City Centre, Botanical Garden & North of City Centre) without changing the hierarchy of the article. We would mention someplace right at the intersection of Southern subrubs and before the paragraph that starts "Beyond the Kuala Lumpur city proper" as mentioned by you earlier and will be creating an extraregion article later on. Please help us review the article we are putting on soon and most importantly we will obey the guideline one hundred percents. Kianchin (talk) 01:47, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

I have submitted the article. Please have a look and let us know your thoughts. Thanks Kianchin (talk) 04:09, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

I'll see how it develops, but I can't speak for what others might do. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:49, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

[undent] However, this is way too long. Summarize, please! "The combination of X, Y and Z neighborhoods is also known as the Diamond Trangle." Period. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:52, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Yessire. Kianchin (talk) 07:03, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Hiii Mr Ikan. Appreciate if you could share me some tips on how to develop this kind of map for my article or, if you ever know someone who could help out. I have tried multiple ways but it just couldn't work. Hear from you soon, thanks! Kianchin (talk) 10:25, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

I'm not a map expert. What would you like to add to the map, though? Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:42, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

I see. I am not trying to add anything to this existing map but instead, I would like to have a very own map for Kuala Lumpur/Diamond Triangle though. Appreciate if you know someone that could help out. Thanks again. Kianchin (talk) 01:24, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

You could try posting to WV:Requests for maps. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:34, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for directing Kianchin (talk) 08:40, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Sure. Also, look at Wikivoyage:How to use dynamic maps. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:46, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Have to be honest here: I don't see the added value of this article for the traveller. Sounds more like a Wikipedia article to me. The banner picture is from a copyright protected source by the way.--Renek78 (talk) 09:54, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

If so, it needs to be deleted. Where was it taken from? Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:52, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

From a website called Dreamstime. Here is the picture in question: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kuala_Lumpur_-_River_of_Life.jpg. I nominated it for deletion.--Renek78 (talk) 19:57, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

It's marked there as "Editorial Stock Photo". Their page is copyrighted, but I don't know who took the photo or under what terms. However, it should be presumed coyrighted and not usable unless there's clear evidence to the contrary. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:32, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

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