Wikivoyage talk:Requests for maps

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I have a tool for embedding maps created by Google My Maps at http://www.mymapsplus.com - would anyone here be interested in using these with Wikivoyage ? It would be a straightforward way for users to create a map to go with an article. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 84.9.69.112 (talkcontribs)

We've avoided doing that sort of thing, for a few reasons. One is the issue of licensing: Google doesn't grant us the rights to distribute their copyrighted maps under the same terms we distribute the rest of Wikivoyage (the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike license). Another is the fact that these maps aren't necessarily ideal for our purposes (e.g. color coding, custom symbols, identifying locations not in Google's database), and the use of those maps would tend to undercut the effort to develop our own, which would be geared specifically for Wikivoyage's needs. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 22:50, 1 May 2007 (EDT)
That sounds fair enough. Google My Maps could still be of use to you as many people are creating mini local guides with My Maps. It wouldn't be too difficult to add a button labelled 'Include this map in wikivoyage' to my site which would share the kml file along with info such as city and country. You could then use the data with your own maps API. If you need anyone to help with development or testing of your own maps API I'd be interested in helping. I'm not totally sure where Google My Maps is leading to, My Maps are being incorporated into Google Earth and Searches but I doubt they'll be made available on any sort of open source basis. Wikimapia and Placeopedia are doing open source maps, I think a travel-oriented open source map database would be a good project.
On a side issue, I would like to include some Wikivoyage content on my maps sites - is it possible to use your xml feeds (I emailed xml-data-request@wikivoyage.org a few weeks back but didnt get a reply) Rob 84.9.69.112 23:17, 1 May 2007 (EDT)

Many districtified cities don't have district maps![edit]

What do these cities have in common: Melbourne D, Dalian, Boston, Atlanta, Houston, Miami D, Dallas, Santiago de Chile, Kuala Lumpur, Ahmedabad D, Lima, Buenos Aires, Kolkata, Mumbai, Jakarta, Moscow D, Johannesburg D They are all on the large world cities list and are divided into districts but do not have a district map. Probably there are at least as many smaller cities that are districtified and lacking a district map. For the ones I've marked with a "D", the district border discussion is going on (in most cases those discussions have come to a standstill over a year ago, though...).

If some of our map makers are familiar with any of these cities, it would be great if they just would open Inkscape and start drawing. For the rest of the cities we'll probably have to do some investigation; looking at talk pages, adding coordinates for POIs in each district article and use the dynamic map to see where the blue, black, orange and green markers show up, and looking if the districts division is derived from some official division of the city in which case WP and Commons come in handy. In any case, this is probably going to take a whole lot of work, so the more map makers who are interested in this, the better. ϒpsilon (talk) 22:05, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Prague D, Budapest, Athens D, Tijuana, Oklahoma City D, San Juan D, Cleveland, Columbus, Beirut, Austin D, Jerusalem D, Leeds, Luxor, Miami Beach (maybe it should be coupled together with Miami), Providence D, Richmond, and Tel Aviv don't have district maps either. ϒpsilon (talk) 19:00, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for raising the issue YPSI. You can always count on me whenever it comes to map making. I twice (Wikivoyage_talk:Regions_map_Expedition#Mumbai and Talk:Mumbai#Map) time tried to create the map for Mumbai but unfortunately nobody responded. --Saqib (talk) 19:09, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
That's great, Saqib! There's a lot to do. Mumbai seems to be one of the easier cities to make a map for. Namely, in Mumbai#Districts it looks like our district is made up of official districts and they are listed there. One then needs to look up each of the official districts in Wikipedia (e.g. w:Govandi) – they have maps showing where in the city they're located (or the couple of districts I looked at all had) and can be used as help when making the map. But it's a bit irritating to see that there isn't really any discussion in Talk:Mumbai concerning the districts (or rather the borders between the districts) that could provide helpful clues.
For those cities that do not mention official districts nor have any clues on their talk pages we likely need to add coordinates for POIs and look at the dynamic map. That means a lot of googling.
If the districts have been arbitrarily invented by someone without any discussion and the POIs are still in the city's article (or the articles don't have any POIs) I guess we're out of luck. :P
(Pinging the five other map expedition members who've been editing here during the last two months: User:LtPowers, User:Texugo, User:Sertmann, User:JamesA, User:Quintucket) --ϒpsilon (talk) 19:59, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
YPSI, Mumbai not seems to me district-ified on the basis of official division but anyway, I'll try to figure out how can I draw a map for the article. --Saqib (talk) 14:18, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
Aren't the places listed in parentheses on Mumbai#Districts e.g. "South Central Mumbai (Byculla, Parel, Worli, Prabhadevi, Dadar)" official districts? At least they have Wikipedia articles. (Prabhadevi isn't marked on a map) --ϒpsilon (talk) 14:32, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
You're right. Those are official areas but I was referring to "South Central Mumbai", "South Mumbai" et cetera. I hope I'll able to find the maps with borders specified for these areas and then I'll start creating the map. --Saqib (talk) 20:35, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
Actually, there is a way, but it's a bit tedious. commons:Category:Maps of Mumbai seems to contain maps where the official districts are marked in dark blue, Bombaywardsmap "A".PNG and so on. In the description it says what district the map depicts. The funny thing is that the descriptions are in Spanish (BTW: WTF?). Anyway, the description always translates to: "Location of Urban District /letter/ of /official name/ in Mumbai". I suggest you copy one of those ugly maps to your computer, go through each of the maps in commons and fill in the district names. You'll have the official districts on a map, and as our Mumbai districts each are made up of a couple of official districts, it should't be hard to make the map.
I've spent a couple of hours with all the 34 cities' city articles, districts, WP articles and sections in Commons plus of course our dynamic maps, Google maps and whatnot figuring out which maps that are possibly doable. I can say that especially for the American articles it would be great to have someone actually familiar with the cities (e.g. Dallas#Districts has 21 districts listed if we count the suburbs). --ϒpsilon (talk) 21:23, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
Thanks a lot for your initiative, Ypsilon. I've been a little busy to be creating maps lately. To be honest, I'd love to ask someone else to have a go at making WV-style maps for Rio de Janeiro and São Paulo. They already have districts decided upon and basic shape-maps that can be overlaid to make a WV-style map, so it wouldn't be too hard of a job. I just haven't had the time when I'm at my home pc to do it. Texugo (talk) 20:25, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, map drawing takes hours especially as I'm familiar with just one of those cities (Prague). I'll probably have a look at Rio and Sao at some point if Saqib or someone else hasn't. BTW... did you notice that Dallas with 21 districts (and Houston and Austin) are on the list too? It'd probably be easier for you to make that map/those maps (My first hand knowledge of Dallas: I've been half an hour on DFW once...) --ϒpsilon (talk) 20:39, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
Yes but as brought up at Talk:Dallas#Proposed division of districts, it very likely need to be condensed to a much lower number of districts. I'd hate to spend the time to make a map for that one before completing a thorough reexamination of how the city should best be split up. Texugo (talk) 20:52, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
I'll have a go at Prague but before that please let's discuss reducing the number of districts there (best here). Jjtkk (talk) 15:26, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

St.Petersburg[edit]

  • Please, dear friends, don't forget Saint Petersburg. It's already districtified, but there have been talks to districtify the Center, which is enormous. There's a map of the Center, already made, in the Russian version of WV. A translation, or even better, a dynamic map, would really help the process. If I only knew how to deploy it... Ibaman (talk) 15:59, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
User:Ibaman, now we're talking about static maps, similar to the one in St._Petersburg#Districts and it's twin in the rajony section of the Russian article There isn't any such map in ru:Санкт-Петербург/Центр, nor do I understand why there should be. District maps are used just once, in the city's main article (exception: Manhattan) ϒpsilon (talk) 22:50, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
User:Ypsilon, I don't know why, but they seem to have been removed. Here they are:

Saint Petersburg Central district.png Saint Petersburg historical center map.png Thanks a lot for the reply! Ibaman (talk) 12:14, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

The maps that you are showing are not district maps, they are street maps. District maps are maps such as this one:
Good for quickly seeing which article covers what area
And yes, I have noticed that Globetrotter19 has expanded St.Petersburg/Center greatly. A dynamic map is what is needed there, so that you can see exactly where the points of interest are, and by help of that can place each of them in the right district article when splitting up central Piter in smaller districts.
Of course, anything beside a dynamic map isn't helpful at all for this particular task. In fact static street maps with sights marked out and district maps must be drawn anew once your districtification is completed. ϒpsilon (talk) 14:35, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Unfortunately, street maps are no longer up-to-date. Keeping them in order is a formidable task that, realistically, will never be accomplished. I believe that one dynamic map and one big article about St. Petersburg/Center is a good solution for the time being. Smaller districts inside the city center require that more information is collected first. Remember also that the existing article needs a lot of copyediting. It does not read as a travel guide. --Alexander (talk) 03:20, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

That is because paragraphs and paragraphs of text are being copied over from WP and inserted here. Some reverting may be in order and/or coaching against doing that. Texugo (talk) 11:24, 25 February 2014 (UTC)