User talk:Koavf

For posts from my old Wikitravel account see User_talk:Koavf/Archive

Welcome

Hello Koavf! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

To help get you started contributing, we've created a tips for new contributors page, full of helpful links about policies and guidelines and style, as well as some important information on copyleft and basic stuff like how to edit a page.

If you are a Wikipedian then you may notice some differences in policies and the style of our articles. These include:

• NPOV → be fair (not quite the same thing!)
• be bold → plunge forward
• Village pump → travellers' pub
• External links → We do not use a separate external links section, but incorporate primary links only into the text itself.
• sandbox → graffiti wall
• stub notes → Article status notes

It may also be very useful for you to check out Wikivoyage:Welcome, Wikipedians. If you need help, take a look at Project:Help, or else post a message in the travellers' pub or on my talk page. Thanks for contributing! JamesA ^>talk 07:38, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Your interesting signature

Although I like to think my English is good, it was not the language I first spoke and I could not decipher what the symbols meant. If it's a secret you can email me and I promise to keep it; if not, please explain here, Justin. Thanks! -- Alice^✉ 08:46, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

No secrets First off, your English seems fine to me--I certainly understand you! Furthermore, my signature isn't a secret: ❤ (heart) is for love, ☮ (peace sign) is for peace, ☺ (smiley face) is for non-violence, ☯ (taijian) is for intuition. Or, to put it in religious terms, agape, shalom, ahimsa, and wu wei. Feel free to ask me whatever you'd like here or via e-mail. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:48, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the prompt response, Justin. I did look at your very interesting User page on Wikipedia before I wrote you and I kinow that you are a person of faith and convictions. I think my confusion was because of the circular shape of the symbols and I wondered if they should be substituted for the letter O-oscar, leading to a signature of "I love ToCoMo" and I could not figure out who or what ToCoMo was! Sorry to be abstruse or nosey -- Alice^✉ 22:42, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

ToCoMo No, they don't mean that, but I now wonder how many others thought that... No worries, being nosy--you're fine! How's the weather in Singapore? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:45, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

The weather doesn't change very much in Singapore so we talk about other things (grin). I'm not in Singapore right now - I get to travel quite a lot and the weather right now in the Southern Hemisphere late spring is terrific - it's Goldilocks weather - not too hot, not too cold, just right! So, again being nosy (just don't answer if you don't care to), why are the symbols separated by those particular consonants of Tango-Charlie-Mike, Justin?

Incidentally, I think some good points were made atWikivoyage:Travellers'_pub#Babel_templates, don't you?

What the heck is the section underneath about? What on earth are "DotM and OtBP icons"? -- Alice^✉ 06:53, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Symbols T = User talk:Koavf, c = Special:Contributions/Koavf, m = Special:EmailUser/Koavf. Wikidata just got started up and establishing user language categories is a real priority over there, since it's multi-lingual, so that just got me thinking. I don't want to see some mistakes repeated over here. "DotM" is "Destination of the Month"—a highlighted spot that has a well-written travel guide—and "OtBP" is "Off the Beaten Path"—for more obscure locations. See Wikivoyage:Destination_of_the_month. How are you enjoying South America? Do you know Portuguese or Spanish? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:36, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Ahhhhhhh, now the penny drops! By the way, did you know that, for some obscure reason that I cannot fathom looking at your signature code, the "T" is not being linked to your Talk page when I hover my mouse over it or even click on it?

Thanks for explaining those acronyms - I've been searching for quite a while but was too frightened of asking Peter - he can be a bit sharp.

I've never been in South America and I'm a bit reluctant to specify exactly where I am in the Southern Hemisphere since, due to my rather special position, I value my privacy very highly - sorry not to be as open as yourself but I think you would understand why if we ever meet and I tell you the full story... -- Alice^✉ 07:50, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Acronyms and such I'd be interested in knowing more about your adventurous lifestyle. If you're willing, go ahead and e-mail me... —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:37, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

adding categories to articles.

Has there been some change to category methods? Until now articles have been added to the region above category via IsPartOf. Any reason for adding articles to its own category such as with Belfast? --Traveler100 (talk) 05:06, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

No I'm just ignorant. I was trying to clear up unused categories and it seemed like Belfast should be the main article in Category:Belfast. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:09, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes there are a number of categories that need deleting. Mainly due to region articles being renamed and the old category once emptied not being deleted. --Traveler100 (talk) 05:11, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Was this edit intentional? Categories are added to articles via {{isPartOf}}, so there is no need to add them manually. -- Ryan • (talk) • 06:34, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

@Wrh2: Yes. Western Sahara isn't navigable from Category:Western Sahara, which makes no sense. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:35, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

That's true of our entire hierarchy - Western Sahara is in Category:North Africa, not Category:Western Sahara. The category page for Western Sahara contains the text "Articles and sub-regions of Western Sahara" in order to link to the Western Sahara article. -- Ryan • (talk) • 06:39, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

@Wrh2: Granted, this is nothing particular to Western Sahara but the whole category hierarchy needs fixing in that regard. Either through the inclusion of categories directly or through modification of the RDF breadcrumbs, etc. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:41, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Try starting a discussion at Wikivoyage talk:Geographical hierarchy or Template talk:IsPartOf to see if others share that concern. Note that Category:Western Sahara states that it is for "Articles and sub-regions of Western Sahara", and Western Sahara is neither of those, but if you could state your concerns with the current approach then maybe we can figure out a way to change things that makes sense. -- Ryan • (talk) • 06:50, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

@Wrh2: Well, I don't see how Western Sahara isn't an article of Western Sahara... But your point is well-taken about centralized discussion. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:54, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Please do not add categories to articles or other categories. On Wikivoyage any categorisation is only done via templates. Create false structures is causing bots to make false edits and statistics report incorrect values. --Traveler100 (talk) 09:28, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

@Traveler100: E.g.? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 10:59, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

topic categories are added automatically by the template on creation and should not be in destination categories as will get processed as destination articles. --Traveler100 (talk) 17:39, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

@Traveler100: Sorry if I was obscure. You wrote: "Create false structures is causing bots to make false edits and statistics report incorrect values." I'm asking for examples. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:56, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Speedy deletion

Hi Koavf, may I know why you added speedy deletion template to Template:User th-0 when its a legitimate template. --Saqib (talk) 08:39, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Utility Why would we use this template at all? How is it useful to know that someone on an English-language website doesn't know any Thai? Besides, the Babel extension can indicate this anyway. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 15:28, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

We've bunch of xx-0 templates so lets not use this template (and every xx-0) for every language that you don't know, but only when there is some reason why you might be expected to know it. For example, one may be of Thai descent, but does not speak the Thai language, or if one lives in Thailand but does not speak Thai. I myself living in UAE since a long time but doesn't speak Arabic unfortunately. --Saqib (talk) 16:00, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Granted But why would you use a template rather than the Bable extension? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:35, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

I'm not so sure about this. It would be better if you please raise this issue on pub. --Saqib (talk) 16:40, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Babel I did but it's not in the archives anymore. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:03, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

There was some discussion of this here. That discussion seems inconclusive to me, but it might be worth restarting. --Peter ^Talk 21:55, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

My instant reaction is that Justin is correct for the reasons he stated so cogently in December 2102. --W. Frank^e-mail_talk 14:49, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Western_Sahara#wv:EngVar

An answer to your (rhetorical?) recent edit summary is at the above discussion page, Justin.

I hope that, after reading it, you self-revert in this case, Justin. All the best! --W. Frank^e-mail_talk 14:46, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Your edit to my user page

What was up with that? --Jonboy (talk) 22:31, 9 November 2013 (UTC) "It's possible for other users to edit, change, delete, move, overwrite, add to, or otherwise mess around with User pages or subpages. It's generally considered bad form to do so, though, unless invited by the user." Wikivoyage:User_page_help#Using_a_personal_sandbox. Please do not do that again. If you have an argument to make that naming myself a docent of my own user page somehow harms Wikivoyage, please make it, rather than breaching etiquette. --Jonboy (talk) 23:09, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

I'm trying to figure out why you have a problem with me naming myself a docent of my own user page?

1. It's funny.
2. It is a test of the markup.

If the problem is that you don't want my page to appear Category:HasDocent, then just say that, instead of making uninvited edits to my user page. I've had the code on my page (at the previous site) longer than the category has existed, but if it's become a problem, I'm happy to change it. --Jonboy (talk) 13:34, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Category I don't want your userpage to appear in Category:HasDocent, which I thought I had made clear earlier but I guess not. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:53, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing the template; that's clearly the best solution. --Jonboy (talk) 16:11, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Default sort

Hi, Koavf. What is the "Default sort" template, and what does it do? Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:11, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Sorting {{DEFAULTSORT}} is a magic word that sorts pages in categories. E.g. Åstorp will be sorted with "Å" (after Z), but if you add {{DEFAULTSORT:Astorp}}, it will be sorted with A, where one would expect to find it. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:17, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Oh, I see. Thanks. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:53, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Travellers

Hi, Koavf. Very small point, but way back, Evan made "travellers" the standard Wikitravel (in those days) spelling for documents. We've kept it at Wikivoyage. It's also the standard spelling in British English, and I believe in all non-US varieties of English, so it's best not to "correct" it in articles about destinations outside of the US and a few highly American-influenced countries (e.g., Israel, Philippines, Marshall Islands).

All the best,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:31, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

@Ikan Kekek: Thanks for that. I've made it "travelers" in the American content I've edited but I'll leave it "travellers" in documentation. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:33, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, and thanks for all the great work you're doing!

Best,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:34, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Non-existent templates

Hi there! Hope you are well. In looking through Special:WantedTemplates, I notice that several items are called for by User:Koavf/monobook.js. They show up in the list like this:

• Template:' + 'DEFAULTSORT:' + lastName + ', ' + firstNames + '
• Template:' + 'DEFAULTSORT:' + nounPhrase + ', ' + article + '
• Template:' + name + '
• Template:Further
• Template:Futher
• Template:Lang-' + code + '

Obviously these mostly don't and won't exist. Would it be too much to ask you to either remove these or comment them out of the code so that they stop showing up in the list as wanted? Thanks a lot... Texugo (talk) 15:07, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

@Texugo: I don't quite know enough about this to edit it without screwing up the scripts. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:23, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

So this is something you are still using? Where did you get the code from? Texugo (talk) 11:08, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

@Texugo: Correct. I got it from en.wp. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:52, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

OK. I think we have figured out a way to fix the erroneous template calls without affect the js functionality. I have made the change here. It shouldn't affect anything, but if it does, please let me know. Thanks a lot! Texugo (talk) 02:05, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Contribution Survey of WikiTravel and WikiVoyage

Dear Koavf,

Hello. I am a dedicated Wikipedian and a regular contributor to many other projects of Wikimedia. In addition to this, I also study the contributors and their contributions. In this connection, I have authored the following blogs studying different projects of Wikimedia Foundation :

1. Wikipedia for Schools Project (posted on Wikimedia Foundation blog)
2. Samskrita Bharati and Sanskrit Wikipedia: The journey ahead (posted on Wikimedia Foundation blog)
3. A Focused Approach for Maithili Wikipedia (posted on Wikimedia Foundation blog)
4. Two Shades of Wikipedia in Punjabi (posted on Wikimedia Foundation blog)
5. A Survey of Esperanto Wikipedians (posted on Wikimedia Foundation blog)
6. Wikimedia Projects in Urdu: Unleashing the Latent Potential (posted on Wikimedia Foundation blog)
7. Hindi Wikipedia - An Encyclopedia Bridging New Bonds of Friendship Across Borders

I have seen the fact that you have created accounts on both Wikivoyage (WMF website) project and WikiTravel (a different entity). I will be glad if you could share your editing experience and observations by answering to the following questions, either here itself, or email me, if you have specified your own email address in the preferences of your WikiVoyage account or post me a message (privately or on my wall) on Facebook with the responses to the questionnaire:

Questionnaire

1. Please give a brief introduction of yourself.

2. Can you share your blog address?

3. Can you share your Facebook / any other social account particulars?

4. Tell us in brief about your traveling experience (national / international).

5. Reasons for your travels - personal / tourist/ academic / business.

6. Tell us about your editing experience on Wiki Voyage.

7. Tell us about your editing experience on Wiki Travel.

8. Which of these project do you prefer more and why?

9.Do you contribute pictures to Wikimedia Commons (http://www.commons.wikimedia.org) , the database of currently 22,761,448 freely usable media files to which anyone can contribute?

10. Do you also contribute other Wikiquote (http://en.wikiquote.org) and Wiktionary (http://en.wiktionary.org) projects of Wikimedia Foundation?

11. Are a registered contributor on English Wikipedia / any other language Wikipedia?

12. Please feel to add any additional detail of your travel / online editing contributions?

Please feel free to circulate this questionnaire to the friends known to you who maintain accounts on WikiVoyage and WikiTravel. --Hindustanilanguage (talk) 03:25, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

@Hindustanilanguage: I'd be happy to help. As an aside, Wikitravel is only capitalized "Wikitravel", not with internal caps/CamelCase.

1. I'm Justin Anthony Knapp, a Wikimedian from Indianapolis, Indiana, United States.
2. I do not have a blog
3. You can find my Web presence on w:User:Koavf
4. I've been around the States some--visited about half of the nation. I have usually traveled by bus but I've flown several times or driven as well. I've been to Chicago about a dozen times, Atlanta about 10 times, California five, the District twice, Pennsylvania once, and New York City once. While I was there, I also went to the United Nations building, which is extra-territorial.
5. Always for fun: to visit friends, to give a speech at the UN, and to go to a Wikimania conference.
6. I started editing Wikivoyage as such when it migrated to being a WMF project. My main interest is in updating the article on my home city of Indianapolis although I have edited a lot of content around here.
7. I got started on Wikitravel in 2005/2006 but never edited much there. In early 2014, I requested to be an admin to clean up spam, which I do regularly. I occasionally add content there but I always also add it to Wikivoyage as well.
8. Wikivoyage. It is a free-er project and it has technical and aesthetic features that I prefer (like custom banners and OSM slippy map integration).
9. I have added a couple dozen pieces of media to Commons.
10. I have started a couple of Wikiquote articles and a few Wiktionary entries. I have edited both of those projects in the past few days.
11. I have contributed something to virtually all of the Wikipedias. I am most active on en.wp, es.wp, and simple.wp.
12. I like to connect online communities and help where I can. In 2014, I've made it a point to edit more in other WMF projects and beyond (such as WikiIndex). —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:16, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

non-breaking spaces

Hey, appreciate all your edits recently. But I do have to wonder about the addition of non-breaking spaces before emdashes in Wikivoyage:One-liner listings, as you did here. Practically speaking, it's difficult to imagine any browser needing to break a line that close to the left margin, so is the non-breaking space really necessary? Powers ^(talk) 14:10, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

@LtPowers: I don't know about necessary (as you point out, they are more-or-less at the extreme left) but it can be useful. If you have "Chicago[space character]–" there is no real need for a non-breaking space but if you have "Chicago Highlands Mayor Richard B. Daley Memorial Park and Rodeo[space character]–" then you would want a non-breaking space to ensure that "Rodeo[space]–" are all together. (To use a real-life example, this is relevant for the Minneapolis/St. Paul/Twin Cities line.) —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:20, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Well, yes, I understand the concept, but even in the case of "The 'Twin Cities'" the likelihood of a break occurring after "Cities" seems extremely small. The available column width would have to be unuseably thin, don't you think? And if by chance the column width was that thin, then the non-breaking space would only make the problem worse, not better, by forcing a longer line. Powers ^(talk) 17:58, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

@LtPowers: It's really not that unlikely on mobile. In fact, I'd bet that if I pulled up the page on my media phone, it would do exactly that. Non-breaking spaces don't make longer lines (unless the two terms being put together are ridiculously long themselves--and they are not in this case); they make new lines. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:29, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, yes, I was imprecise in my wording. What I meant was that on a display small enough for this to be an issue, letting the software break the line efficiently may override the need to keep the emdash from appearing alone at the beginning of a line. Powers ^(talk) 20:15, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

@LtPowers: How browsers behave will vary of course (and it's not impossible that some will ignore  ). It makes sense to me to go with the standard non-breaking space, which was made for instances such as these. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:54, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

I guess I'm still not seeing the advantage of keeping the emdash with the word before it when the line width is so small. Powers ^(talk) 11:21, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

broken links

Hi! I think you were involved in running this list of broken links.. do you think it would be possible to run it again? A bunch have gotten fixed in the meantime and I like having the list to work off of! Thanks, -- Phoebe (talk) 05:24, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

@Phoebe: I'll definitely take a look but I'm not sure how much I have to offer. I'm active at both projects though, so I want them to both be good. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:26, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

I found the old discussion :) -- Phoebe (talk) 06:43, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

@Phoebe: Excellent. I've worked on trying to bring WMF and DMOZ communities together, including Wikivoyage. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:44, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

User rights

Hi, Justin. What did you mean here? What user rights would you like?

All the best,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:52, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

@Ikan Kekek: Earlier at the Pub (I can find diffs if you really need), users mentioned fighting spam by editing the Abuse Filter. I suspect that someone suggested I do it because I am an admin at WT as well and they implied that they would let me edit it. Someone else ended up doing the work and making an effective filter. Again, I'm not hung up on it at all: I was just a little confused. If you think it might be a good fit, I'd be happy to help. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:55, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

I see. I'd like to see you do more work here before I'd consider nominating you for admin. How long have you been an Admin at WT?

All the best,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:22, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

@Ikan Kekek: I wasn't even suggesting that I'd be an admin as such (although I would be willing). I've been an admin on all editions of Wikitravel except the Japanese one for just over a year. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:24, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

I don't know what user statuses Wikitravel currently has, but on Wikivoyage, there's nothing between Autopatroller and Admin. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:40, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

In any case, do keep editing here and be patient, and then in a few months, if you would like more tools to help keep the floors clean and the windows wiped, we can revisit this.

All the best,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:55, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

@Ikan Kekek: Of course. On w:, there is a user right just for editing the abuse filter. This is a lot smaller than en.wp, though so it's reasonable to go from "your edits are trusted to probably not be vandalism" to "you can delete pages and block users". Thanks. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 14:10, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank you

For suggesting I should get IPBE rights. Antiv31 (talk) 08:53, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

@Antiv31: No problem! Thanks for adding to this project. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:19, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Patroller rights

It's not related to the above discussion, but I thought you might like to get patroller rights on this wiki; this allows you to patrol edits and to rollback. The user rights group's been around, but empty, for a while, and currently has 3 members (I was first :)). This could help you fight vandalism and perform general clenup withou being required to be an administrator. Thanks, --Rubbish computer (HALP!: I dropped the bass?) 01:36, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

@Rubbish computer: That would be great, thanks. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:22, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

No problem. Rubbish computer (HALP!: I dropped the bass?) 10:08, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Re: Indianapolis

1. Slightly confused — are you thanking me for making a productive edit, and saying that it's good that I removed that, or are you thanking me for trying to help but letting me know that you're about to revert my change?
2. I don't think I'll participate in significant improvements; other than a string of edits in the last hour, I've made exactly four edits since 2014, three of which were related to images I was already working on at Commons, and the fourth was a mere typo fix.

Thanks for the note! Nyttend (talk) 04:02, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Cross-namespace redirects

I've speedy deleted a few redirects you've created that went from the main namespace to project space. In general cross-namespace redirects are discouraged, and while I'm sure there are numerous discussions on Wikivoyage on the subject, Wikipedia has a whole project page that better explains the reasoning: w:Wikipedia:Cross-namespace redirects. -- Ryan • (talk) • 22:50, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

@Wrh2: We have lots of cross-namespace redirects here. This is not an encyclopedia, so there is never going to be a destination guide for several topics that would exist for an encyclopedia. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:52, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

arrows

could you please put the bot flag on the edits. Would be good to set up bot user for this so we can quickly undo if the discussion goes in another direction. --Traveler100 (talk) 17:32, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

@Traveler100: I would but I can't change my userrights to add the bot flag. For what it's worth, there are only a few hundred left. I will just set the timer to one a minute. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:35, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

@Traveler100: I see your edit now. I honestly can't imagine the scenario where we wouldn't delete this but even if we need to undo my edits, you can just bring them up in AWB by making a list from User contribs. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:42, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

incorrect bot edit?

Portrait. --Traveler100 (talk) 07:32, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

@Traveler100: Definitely incorrect, thank you. There were some lint errors of files using fields like "print=full" or "landscape". This one got sucked up in the rest of them. Please let me know if you see anymore, of course. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:13, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

font lint edits

Hi, Changing the font tags such as <span style="color:#339989">...</span> to <span font:color=#339989>...</span> isn't quite correct. It should be something such as <span style="color:#339989;">...</span> -- WOSlinker (talk) 08:34, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

@WOSlinker: Man. I goofed it on some signatures. As you can see, I got other ones correct. Thanks. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:14, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

It looks like you got them all. Thanks. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:18, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Ttfc redirect

I deleted that. You meant ttcf, surely. I can't really see people looking for the wrong initials for that, can you? Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:29, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

@Ikan Kekek: I made it because there was an incoming link. Would you prefer to edit the other user's comment? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:31, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

No. If someone made a typo on a talk page, why not let it be? Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:34, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

@Ikan Kekek: So that others can understand what he was trying to say. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:35, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

If it's that unclear, you can reply with the correct link, but I really don't believe in cleaning up after people by creating links like that. I find that when I am texting, I often hit "w" instead of "e". So are we going to have a "nwthwrlands" link and such? I think not. I won't make a Federal case about this, though; if you really insist on re-creating this link, I won't delete it a second time, though someone else might. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:41, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

@Ikan Kekek: While I agree that editing others' comments is generally best avoided, it's probably just helpful in this case. Similarly, if you really think it's preferable to have a misspelling redlink, I guess you can revert me. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:45, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

It's probably fine, will probably be appreciated, and seems less drastic than creating that redirect. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:51, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

Day of the Dead..

Thanks.

I don't sadly speak any Spanish or I would have asked the es.wikivoyage contingent for assistance.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 18:35, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

@ShakespeareFan00: Good news: I do (altho not terribly well...)! —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:54, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

Related: Move to Commons

Swept in from the pub

In addition to files which should never have been here, there are also files which should no longer be here, such as File:Bilbaobanner1.jpg. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:29, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

DotM banners are explicitly supposed to be uploaded locally; see Wikivoyage talk:Destination of the month candidates/Banners#Uploading banner images locally. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 01:16, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for the link. I have to disagree with the reasoning tho: there are dozens (hundreds?) of banners on Commons. That's where I put all of mine. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:55, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

I think Andre is talking about Destination of the month banners (that go on the Main Page for one month), which are a different thing than banners that are placed at the top of the articles themselves. ϒpsilon (talk) 05:32, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

What's to disagree with about the reasoning? Commons admins delete images for weird and inexplicable reasons all the time. Why leave the integrity of our Main Page - and specifically that of what are almost inarguably the most prominent images on our site at any given time - up to them? -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 23:34, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

Listings Templates

Bellflower shows up as has having a missing span tag (but I can't immediatly see an obvious error in a listing.). This is a different glitch from the italics one you corrected earlier. As I said elsewhere the listing template needs an overhaul. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 09:15, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

And it would be reasonable I feel to provide a new {{listing/s}} {{listing/e}} pair in the course of time so that multi-block listings are possible, without needing to convert existing single block entries. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 09:31, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

@ShakespeareFan00: It was because there was an ending to an external link but no beginning to it and those have special styling in MediaWiki. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:55, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Template errors/glitches

• Pecos_(New_Mexico) placing image syntax in header paramater for {{infobox}} generates a missing bold tag. Moving the image to the start of the content parameter temporarily solved the problem. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 09:38, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
  • This was because of how the titles are styled in this template. You were fixing an error there in how the template was applied (note how "The New Mexico Campaign" is bolded but the text below is normal weight.) —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:10, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
• Philippines , generates missing tag when calling {{exchange rates}} There is no bold formatting directly in any parameters. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 09:39, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
  • No clue what is happening here. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:10, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
• Kuujjuaq, generates missing tag when calling {{listing}} indirectly, highlighting from lint-error suggests {{buy}} or {{sleep}} template is culprit, No listing in those sections has bold formatting directly applied as far as I could determine.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 09:43, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
  • No clue. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:10, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
• Touring Shaker country Missing i tag, highlighted {{see}} template does not use italics in parameter call.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 10:08, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
  • No clue. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:10, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
• Kirkenes generates missing b tag, {{routebox}} is the culprit, but the bold tag in it directly is balanced? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 12:04, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
  • No clue. So many of these are mind-boggling "errors" which are totally incomprehensible. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:10, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

An award for you!

	The Wikivoyage Barncompass
	jerk of a jerk reward Jerksofthejerks (talk) 20:25, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

watch over the thread as it was replied within scope, dont allow wikidiots to screw with it, i also followed up

en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Wikivoyage_talk:Requests_for_comment#manly_sport_&_chess

if they vandalize, get your associates on board!

I have no clue what you're talking about. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:21, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

A data-driven look at tourist spots in the United States

https://pudding.cool/2020/05/travel-local/ —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:42, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

There are more tourist attractions in the Plains/Midwest region than I would have expected. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 15:10, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Requesting rollback/patroller

Swept in from the pub

It seems like we had a discussion on a rollback policy in 2022 here, but it didn't end with a page about a local policy, nor a request board for it. Sorry if this should be posted elsewhere, but I can't find a place to ask for this user right. As admins can see, I'm a trust user here since the early Wikitravel days, globally trusted in WMF with advanced rights on many wikis, and have reverted vandalism locally. I hope that requesting rollback/patroller here is uncontroversial. Thanks. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:51, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

• Support, without hesitation. Ground Zero (talk) 00:53, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

FWIW, this would be the patroller permission, since there is no separate rollbacker group on Wikivoyage. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 00:53, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Done, but please don't welcome vandals next time. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 11:14, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Pobody's Nerfect

	Barnstar of Humor
	Thanks for this comment, which made me laugh. WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:28, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

<3 —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:32, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks

I tried to send you a thanks for your edit on Wikivoyage:Votes for deletion/November 2013#Template:Ping, but the history page seems broken so I cannot simply click on the thanks Ottawahitech (talk) 17:14, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

How kind. Have a good one, OHT. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:43, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Delicious spam

How was my post spam? Don't we proudly advertise Wikivoyage apps? There are no ads, nothing. I'm almost literally paying you to visit. Brycehughes (talk)

It may well not be, but it definitely looked suspect. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:19, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Well glad you took a look. Brycehughes (talk) 23:46, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Happy holidays!

Happy holidays, Koavf! Kia ora, Koavf, have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! Thank you for all the hard work you've put in the last year to make Wikivoyage the place it is today. Enjoy the festive season from wherever you are in the globe. Greetings from Te Moeka o Tuawe, Te Tai Poutini, Aotearoa. (Fox Glacier, West Coast, New Zealand) --SHB2000 on 00:30, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

How kind, S. I hope that you and yours on the bottom of the earth have safe and happy holidays and a fantastic 2024. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:07, 25 December 2023 (UTC)