Talk:Cornwall

Get Out

Regarding the text of the Get Out section, I believe it is supposed to be nightlife tips (pubs, bars etc) - not guidelines for escaping from Cornwall :)

Nightlife goes in the 'Drink' section. Get Out is for daytrips or the next in a series of destinations. -- (WT-en) Colin 18:23, 31 Jul 2005 (EDT)

Cornwall is a Duchy...

Yes, it is... but geographically, it's an English county west of Devon. The Duchy of Cornwall is a separate entity, comprising of the land owned by the Duke. Geographically most of the duchy is in Devon with other properties elsewhere in England.90.199.106.210 18:47, 3 June 2022 (UTC)Mark Steele90.199.106.210 18:47, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out. I have made the changes, but encourage you to correct any errors you see in Wikivoyage articles-- Wikivoyage is the travel guide that you can edit. Ground Zero (talk) 21:34, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Too many settlements

Why are there no subregions for Cornwall? There are at least 40 destinations listed in this region. One suggested way to divide up the region is by using the former local government areas: Caradon, Carrick, Kerrier, North Cornwall, Penwith, and Restormel. I am not an expert on the region and I have never even visited Europe, so feedback by those more experienced in the region is strongly suggested. JsfasdF252 (talk) 00:55, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

I am not sure that is necessary. I can't think of any other English counties which have been divided into sub-regions. Although it is many years since I visited Cornwall, I don't think that the former local government areas are clear on the ground. The rest of the article is well developed and I think that most of it applies to the whole county. AlasdairW (talk) 23:28, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Per WV:Avoid long lists, we probably should at least consider splitting up some of the English county articles into smaller regions, though like you I don't think the former local government districts that were abolished in 2009 are the answer.

The easy version of splitting would simply be to break up the Cities list with subheadings.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 08:03, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Which can be done in anticipation of a real split. Easier to do the real split sensibly if it has been tried out at this page. –LPfi (talk) 10:18, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Cornwall does not have any really big cities, so any splitting of the country has to be using artificial boundaries. The old districts would be sensible, except that their names do not mean anything to anybody. However the parliamentary constituencies might be useful - there are six in all (listed from west to east):

• St Ives
• Camborne and Redruth
• Truro and Falmouth
• St Austell and Newquay
• South East Cornwall
• North Cornwall

These names are all meaningful, except that for touristic purposes I would rename "St Ives" to "St Ives and Lands End". Also, the Scilly Isles are part of the St Ives constituency, but for WIkivoyage purposes they are separate from Cornwall.

Martinvl (talk) 21:27, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ I drove the coastline of Cornwall a few years ago, as one does. I think from a traveller's perspective, a simpler grouping of Cornwall North Coast, Cornwall South Coast, and Western Cornwall, would be more intuitive. The A30 splits the eastern part in two, and the western tip (from Falmouth and Redruth to Lands End) is a practical region. Each of these sub-regions is driverless in a day. I've changed the marker colours to illustrate the grouping for this discussion. Ground Zero (talk) 23:02, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Cornwall North Coast:

• 1 Bodmin (Cornish: Bosvena) – Market town and former county town of Cornwall
• 2 Bude (Cornish: Porthbud) – Fishing village and holiday resort on the north coast of Cornwall
• 3 Launceston (Cornish: Lannstevan)
• 4 Newquay (Cornish: Tewynblustri) – Former fishing village, now surf capital of the UK and home to Cornwall's principal airport.
• 5 Padstow (Cornish: Lannwedhenek) – Fishing village and holiday resort on Cornwall's north coast.
• 6 Perranporth (Cornish: Porthperan) – a seaside resort town backed by extensive sand dunes which reach nearly a mile inland
• 7 St Columb Major (Cornish: S. Colom Veur)
• 8 Wadebridge (Cornish: Ponswad)
• 9 Boscastle (Cornish: Kastel Boterel) – scenic fishing village with the Museum of Witchcraft and Magic
• 10 Port Isaac (Cornish: Porthysek) – seaside village, often used as a filming location
• 11 Redruth (Cornish: Resrudh) – world capital of tin mining
• 12 Rock (Cornish: Pennmeyn)
• 13 St Agnes (Cornish: Breanek)
• 14 Tintagel (Cornish: Tre war Venydh) – legendary birthplace of King Arthur and seat of the Kings of Cornwall

Cornwall South Coast:

• 1 Truro (Cornish: Truru) – Cornwall's main administrative centre, county town and only city.
• 2 Cawsand (Cornish: Porthbugh)
• 3 Falmouth (Cornish: Aberfala or Peny-cwm-cuic)
• 4 Fowey (Cornish: Fowydh)
• 5 Looe (Cornish: Logh)
• 6 Lostwithiel (Cornish: Lostwydhyel)
• 7 Saltash (Cornish: Essa) – "Gateway to Cornwall", a small town on the Cornwall side of the Tamar crossings.
• 8 St Austell (Cornish: S. Austel) – largest town in the county and home to the Eden Project, the world's largest greenhouse
• 9 Charlestown (Cornish: Porth Meur) – seaside town used as filming location for the TV show Poldark
• 10 Mevagissey (Cornish: Lannvorek) – picturesque hillside fishing village
• 11 Par (Cornish: An Porth)
• 12 Polperro (Cornish: Porthpyra)

Western Cornwall:

• 1 Cadgwith (Cornish: Porthkajwydh)
• 2 Hayle (Cornish: Heyl)
• 3 Helston (Cornish: Hellys)
• 4 Marazion (Cornish: Marhasyow) – Home of St Michael's Mount
• 5 Newlyn (Cornish: Lulyn)
• 6 Penzance (Cornish: Pennsans) – pirate central, Penzance is a town long-associated with the arts
• 7 Porthleven
• 8 St Ives (Cornish: Porth Ia) – artists' "colony" and home to a branch of the Tate Gallery
• 9 St Just in Penwith (Cornish: Lannust)
• 10 Mousehole (Cornish: Porthenys)
• 11 Pendeen (Cornish: Penn Din or Boskaswal Wartha)
• 12 St Buryan (Cornish: Pluwveryan)
• 13 St Levan (Cornish: Selevan)
• 14 Zennor (Cornish: Sen Senar)

That looks a reasonable split. It might be better to just have "North Cornwall" and "South Cornwall", as some of the towns (eg Launceston or Lostwithiel) aren't on the coast. AlasdairW (talk) 23:46, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

"North Cornwall", "South Cornwall" and "West Cornwall" seem fine. We should however let the reader know that these divisions are our divisions. We should also give a clear defintion of what we mean by "West Cornwall" Martinvl (talk) 22:34, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

I'm okay with North, South, West nomenclature. Ground Zero (talk) 03:44, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

+1. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 04:27, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

I have begun implementing this proposal. The subregion articles are fairly slim at this point. I would appreciate help from others in fill those articles out. I have selected 9 towns and villages that stuck out in my mind to keep in the Cornwall article. Are these the best ones?

The bad news is that Devon is just as bad as Cornwall was. I don't ont know Devon as well. Ground Zero (talk) 21:06, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Nice work. And thank you :-) --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 11:49, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Cornish names

I am going to remove the Cornish names in the list of towns:

1. the Cornish names should be are included in the destination articles; including them in the region article adds to the clutter of the page
2. this is English Wikivoyage, not Cornish Wikivoyage
3. signage always has the English name on it
4. everyone in Cornwall speaks English
5. only 500 people in the UK consider Cornish to be their primary language

Ground Zero (talk) 13:49, 18 January 2024 (UTC)