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Formatting and language conventions

For articles about Mexico, please use the 24-hour clock to show times, e.g. 09:00-12:00 and 18:00-00:00.

Please show prices in this format: M$100, and not 100 pesos, MX$100, or MXN 100 (although "$" is commonly used to denote pesos, Wikivoyage uses this notation for clarity because prices in tourist areas are sometimes listed in US$).

Please use American spelling.

Regions, Chiapas[edit]

I'm very far from being an expert on tourism in Mexico, but wouldn't Chiapas better be placed in the Yucatán Peninsula? Part of it is geographically on the peninsula itself, so it's not a stretch. But more importantly, my understanding is that the tourism there is all about Mayan culture and ruins, placing it firmly in the Yucatán sphere, instead of the Pacific sphere. I'm about to map the region, so I'd like to get this figured out ;) --Peter Talk 05:50, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm just going to go ahead and do this while I make the map, since I don't really expect anyone else to comment. It fits my own road trip travel itinerary, so it certainly will work for me! --Peter Talk 20:22, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
I have now done this, and in the process learned a good deal more about travel in Chiapas. What I learned confirms my belief that it fits better in the Yucatán region. --Peter Talk 22:11, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Mexico#Stay_safe?[edit]

This section currently has a warning box that is dated 2011 and refers to events in 2010. There are also other warnings outside the box. Does this need an update? Should the warning box be removed? Current warnings added? Pashley (talk) 02:13, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

It is a US State department travel advisory, the link for which no longer exists. Andrewssi2 (talk) 02:36, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
I believe this is the latest warning. Powers (talk) 20:45, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Beer section too long?[edit]

I shortened the following list in the drink section, mainly because it took up most of the screen to read and doesn't really provide much factual information (i.e. there is a beer that is 'fun to drink')

  • Corona (popular, but not necessarily as overwhelmingly popular in Mexico as many foreigners think)
  • Dos Equis (XX)
  • Modelo Especial (medium lager)
  • Negra Modelo (darker, flavorful ale)
  • Modelo Light (typical light Mexican beer - Corona, Pacifico and Tecate also have "light" versions.
  • Pacífico (Pilsner beer, one of the better lighter beers)
  • Tecate (perhaps the most common beer, especially in the north, light with a slight hoppy taste)
  • Indio (good amber, not commonly exported)
  • Bohemia (nice malty taste)
  • Carta Blanca (mass market beer)
  • Sol (very light, similar to Corona)
  • Superior (pretty common beer)
  • Victoria (A light Vienna-style beer, usually not exported)
  • Montejo
  • León (red Vienna-style beer)
  • Estrella
  • Corona "de Barril" or Barrillito (fun to drink)
  • Chamochelas
  • Modelo Chope (Draft beer only available in select bars & restaurants, comes in Light & Negra varieties, with the latter being a Munich dunkel.)

I think it would be fine to add any of these back to the page if something substantial could be written about them. Andrewssi2 (talk) 06:38, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Learn section overhaul[edit]

Most of the content in the learn section is not travel relevant. I've rationalized it to the more relevant parts.

The original content can be seen below --Andrewssi2 (talk) 12:07, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

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The most important Universities in Mexico are as follows: UNAM, ranked 73rd worldwide, and the best in Latin America, which leads Mexico with 50% of Mexican scientific research, many of Mexico most illustrious people attended UNAM, including:

  • 5 Mexican presidents,
  • All of the Mexican Nobel Laureates: Alfonso García Robles (Peace), Octavio Paz (Literature), and Mario Molina (Chemistry)
  • The World Wealthiest Person: Carlos Slim.

Its main campus is a UNESCO World Heritage site. Murals in the main campus were painted by some of the most recognized artists in Mexican history, such as Diego Rivera and David Alfaro Siqueiros.

IPN (Instituto Politecnico Nacional), a leading institution on engineering and architecture programs, it's a Polytechnical school and Most Mexico's technological creations can be attributed to IPN Alumni. ITESM (Instituto Tecnologico de Estudios Superiores de Monterrey), located in Monterrey but with branch campuses in many other Mexican cities, too, it's a Private Research University. It surpassed IPN in some Engineering areas (Most notably Computer Science) some years ago and it's on par with UNAM. It has many exchange programs with universities across the world, and even double degree programs; Some of them include:

  • Double degree with Carnegie-Mellon University in M.S. in Information Technology.
  • Partnership with John Hopkins Medicine Program.
  • Summer Programs at Georgetown University, UC Berkeley, Stanford, Cambridge and Yale.
  • Double degree with UNC-Chapel Hill in M.B.A.
  • Exchange programs with over 200 universities abroad around 30 countries.

Anahuac (Universidad Anahuac), a prestigious private institution sponsored by the Legion of Christ, which also belongs to the Anahuac University Network with campuses in Mexico, Chile, Spain, Italy and United Sates, and the Anahuac Educational Consortium, the elite elementary to high school institutions of the Semper Altius network and Oak Academies. The main Campus of the Anahuac University is located on Huixquilucan, Mexico State. Education is based in high leadership, entrepreneurism and above all, the Human Values. Alumni include some of the highest ranked executives and company presidents of Mexico and Latin America, including the Slim family. Ranks as the number one institution in Mexico on the Professional Classification of International Universities ranking by the Ecole Nationale Supérieure des Mines de Paris.

Chichen Itza, one of the most famous archeological sites in the world

Ibero (Universidad Iberoamericana), is a Mexican private institution of higher education sponsored by the Society of Jesus. Its flagship campus is located in the Santa Fe district of Mexico City but there are others located in Guadalajara, León, Torreón, Puebla and Playas de Tijuana. among its alumni, is president Vicente Fox, Emilio Azcarraga Jean - President and Owner of Televisa the most important media network in Latin America, Carlos Guzmán Bofill - CEO of Hewlett-Packard México, Daniel Servitje - President and CEO of Bimbo, Guillermo Arriaga - Film screenwriter, Novelist, and Director (Amores Perros, 21 Grams and Babel), Alejandro González Iñárritu - Filmmaker (Amores Perros, 21 Grams and Babel).

ITAM (Instituto Tecnológico Autónomo de México) is by far one of the best universities in Mexico. Founded by the businessman Raúl Baillères in 1946, it has a very specific focus in the Economics sector. With 14 programs, it has been awarded by several sources as having the best programs in Business Administration, Actuarial Science, Economics, International Relations and Public Accounting. It has the best MBA program in Latin America as well as the best Economics PhD in Mexico. Many public figures and government functionaries come from this prestigious university.

For graduate degrees and executive preparation:

The IPADE Business school currently ranks as the world's 7th best MBA programs outside the US, and the only one in Latin America, according to Forbes.

The EGADE Master Business School in Monterrey is ranked No.68 of MBA schools worldwide, the first in Latin America For many years it was considered a school exclusive for Affluent people, it aggressively seeks to open its doors to talented minds of all income levels through an amazingly rich scholarship program, funded by the periodic raffles of multi-million dollar, fully furnished mansions along with luxury cars and a big sum of money.

If one had to Compare them with American Universities:

  • UNAM would be the "Harvard" of Mexico, devoted to Humanities, Medicine and Law schools, as far as the reach of the institution but not as exclusive.
  • Anahuac would be like the "Princeton" of Mexico, home to both the wealthy and low profile elites, figuring in international rankings and with a great prestige result of its alumni, international programs and social awareness.
  • IBERO would be the "Yale" of Mexico, a private school, with amazing resources constantly ranking amongst the best in Latin America, and ranked as one of the best private universities in Mexico.
  • IPN, a school devoted to engineering and sciences, with many of its students developing patents, could be considered a school like "MIT", and in fact, they've won many competitions against them.
  • ITESM is located in a city with many industrial companies, the Alma mater of many entrepreneurs, with decent computer and engineering programs, regarded as an good private university, and with a business-oriented curriculum, somewhat similar to Stanford.
  • UDLAP The Universidad the las Americas at Puebla, would be the "Cornell-U" of Mexico.
  • ITAM The Instituto tecnológico Autonomo de Mexico would be the "Columbia" of Mexico
  • ULSA The Universidad La Salle would be the "Darthmouth College" of Mexico

Most of the government funded universities on mayor cities (state capital) have short courses on history, gastronomy and cultural subjects, most of them are almost free. Other places are the "Casa de la Cultura", (house of culture) this are historical buildings used for cultural related activities (music concerts, theater, paint and other exhibits, they also have "talleres" (workshops).

Most of them have programs for foreigners. Foreigners can take a course to learn Spanish, or even study a whole career. Also, there are some other courses where you can learn traditional Mexican activities such as handcrafts. The tuition at a public school is rarely over $200USD. Many excellent private universities exist in the larger cities (Mexico City, Guadalajara, Monterrey, etc.) and provide good education.

There are Spanish language schools throughout Mexico. The city with the most schools is Cuernavaca, with more than 50 schools. Oaxaca, San Miguel de Allende and Guanajuato also offer a number of schools to choose from. Prices vary; however, most schools are very reasonably priced. Many schools can arrange homestays with local Mexican families.

Mexican revolution[edit]

Currently we have an empty headline about the Mexican revolution. I think it is tremendously important, but I don't know all that much apart from the fact that some guy named Pancho Villa and some guy named Zapato were involved and most of them had mustaches. Oh... and at some point the US tried to intervene. Or something. Could anybody with knowledge please write sth. on that era? Hobbitschuster (talk) 15:08, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Spin off bus travel[edit]

As I mentioned on Wikivoyage:requested articles, the bus network in Mexico is probably one of the most extensive and "full service" in the world. Furthermore the get around by bus section is slowly but surely getting rather long. For a general idea how to spin off a section like that see the most recent effort at air travel in the US. Best wishes Hobbitschuster (talk) 11:45, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Newer "stay safe" information?[edit]

The map is now five years old. Has the security situation significantly improved / deteriorated? Hobbitschuster (talk) 19:53, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

The information is rather out of date, as is the map. I know nothing about producing maps; however when I have time I can take a stab at updating some of the safety information. –StellarD (talk) 23:49, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
That'd be great. Maybe there is also some newer map in the relevant WP article? Hobbitschuster (talk) 14:51, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Are all "barrios" slums?[edit]

First of I am not a native speaker of Spanish and I have only been to Mexico for a handful of weeks, so it may well be that I lack the sufficient background, but in light of this edit I have to ask whether "barrio" has any connotations of being a bad neighborhood and if so whether they only exist in certain Spanish dialects or in American (mis)understanding of Spanish. If "barrio" indeed has negative connotations in English but not in Spanish, I don't think we should use it here without specifying its neutral nature in Spanish. Can anybody with more knowledge on this please weigh in? Hobbitschuster (talk) 15:28, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

At least not in Spanish Spanish or Rioplatense, I'm pretty sure (says a gringo who knows enough Spanish to order food at a restaurant or buy bus tickets ;)). However there are, as you know, fairly large differences between Spanish spoken on different continents so it's not impossible that "barrio" would have negative connotations in Mexico or elsewhere. User:StellarD maybe would have some idea? ϒpsilon (talk) 15:50, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
My understanding is that in Mexico a barrio is simply a neighborhood, often working or lower middle class, and that a barrio is not necessarily a slum. The somewhat negative connotation for English speakers likely comes from barrios in such places as Los Angeles, which have been historically associated with gang activity and other societal ills (which of course are not exclusive to Latin American neighborhoods). Even so, I think that connotation is not universal even in the US, as in some cities, like Tucson, barrios have been rehabilitated or restored, and are visited by tourists and diners looking for great Mexican restaurants.
Generally though I think the advice in the edit is sound – as a gringo or outsider it is definitely not advisable to enter the slums without a trusted local guide who knows the community. I would remove 'barrio' from the sentence and rephrase it to read: 'If you wish to visit one of the slums, you should only go as part of a guided tour with a reputable guide or tour company.' –StellarD (talk) 08:12, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
Going to disagree. Slums may sometimes be dangerous but not always. Some slums may well be safer than other neighborhoods that are not so disadvantaged. Andrewssi2 (talk) 22:07, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
Agreed, not all slums are dangerous. However, slums in Mexico can be very dangerous, and it can be very difficult for a nonresident to identify which are dangerous and which are not. Having personally been the victim of an armed robbery and attempted kidnapping in an area which was supposedly safe (in Oaxaca (city)), in broad daylight, near a slum, and having heard many many similar such stories from other cities in Mexico, it is definitely inadvisable for a gringo to simply wander off into any neighborhood which s/he finds interesting. Mexico City, Monterrey, Oaxaca, Acapulco, Mérida, etc. – these places are not like London or Singapore. Mexico is not only in the grips of horrible cartel wars, there is also a surge in drug use (in the slums) and intense poverty. A visitor walking into such an environment is a sitting duck, asking to be robbed and/or kidnapped. –StellarD (talk) 07:03, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Class?[edit]

So, I noticed this article is rated as an outline, but isn't it a bit more, you know, comprehensive? Sorry, I'm not that familiar with Wikivoyage. MediaKill13 (talk) 09:08, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

No worries, this aspect of WV is confusing :) The rules are found under Wikivoyage:Country_guide_status , and if you think that Mexico deserves a higher rating then just go ahead and suggest it here. Andrewssi2 (talk) 11:34, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
Actually, according to the rules Andrew just linked to, it's not enough that the Mexico article itself is comprehensive. Also all articles listed under the Mexico#Cities and Mexico#Other destinations need to be at least usable. By the way, per 7 2, a few "Other destinations" should be removed from the list, the maximum number allowed is nine. ϒpsilon (talk) 12:23, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

Currency notation[edit]

There is a discussion about this at Wikivoyage_talk:Currency#Mexican_pesos Ground Zero (talk) 13:47, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Mexican visa[edit]

Hi, Embassy of Mexico in UAE confirmed me "If one irrespective of any nationality have a valid USA, Schengen , Japan, Canada, UK, North Ireland valid visa holder, there is no need to apply for a Mexican visa. I think this is really informative and should be added to this article. I am myself going to try since I don't have Mexican visa but I carry valid Japanese visa in my Pakistani passport. --Saqib (talk) 12:42, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

I do think this is valid information and while you are at it, the visa information in many get in sections is liable to be outdated... Hobbitschuster (talk) 13:49, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Regions - naming of Yucatan region[edit]

An unregistered editor has pointed out that Chiapas doesn't belong in the Yucatan Peninsula region. The Wikipedia article shows where the peninsula is, and it clearly doesn't include Chiapas or Villahermosa. After considering proposing to move it, I think it would make more sense to rename the region.

I've looked at other regional maps of Mexico, and it seems like there is no standard regional division of the country. Even the Tourism agency doesn't seem to use regions in its marketing. So we are on our own here. While Chiapas could be moved to Pacific Coast, Villahermosa really doesn't fit anywhere.

The region we have now has five states, which is a reasonable number -- moving two states out would make this region small.

If we rename the existing region instead of breaking it up, we would need to find a name:

  • Yucatan and Chiapas - descriptive, but Tabasco state isn't part of either
  • Yucatan, Chiapas and Tabasco - too long, I think
  • Southern Mexico - boring, but does the trick

Other ideas? Ground Zero (talk) 12:55, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

How about Mexican Central America? It's a distinction used by Lonely Planet for which parts of Mexico to include in its "Central America on a shoestring" guide that has sent countless gringos on "Central America in two weeks" trips. And the border between "North America proper" and Central America in the geological sense is the Isthmus of Tehuantepec, which is thereabouts, right? Hobbitschuster (talk) 23:11, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
My immediate thought was Southern Mexico, but that's not really accurate (Cancún is further north than many states, including almost all of Central Mexico). In my mind and maybe it's just me, Chiapas regionally belongs with Oaxaca more than it does with any other state. Looking at the Spanish Wikiviajes article, Chiapas is with Oaxaca and Guerrero in Southwestern Mexico, which makes sense to me. Irn (talk) 15:04, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
Lonely Planet's Mexico guide puts Chiapas and Tabasco together in a chapter - there is no "Mexican Central America" chapter. Googling that phrase came up with no significant hits, so I don't think that's a good solution.
Wikiviajes would be a good model to follow, but it uses more regions, and would require a thorough restructuring of our Mexico articles, which would be a lot of work. I don't think it's the best use of our time. Renaming this region would be quick and easy. Maybe we should go with Yucatan, Chiapas and Tabasco and be done with it. Ground Zero (talk) 14:36, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
I am not talking about the subdivision LP uses for its Mexico Guide, I am talking about its "Central America on a shoestring" guide, which includes part but not all of Mexico. And why would you call "Mexican Central America" a bad term? It is, geographically speaking, the part of the geological region "Central America" currently governed by the United Mexican States. Of course Central America is often understood to exclude Mexico, but that has historical and cultural reasons, not geological or geographical ones. Hobbitschuster (talk) 19:58, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
I didn't call it a bad term. I don't think it's a good solution because it is a term that isn't used by anyone beyond one book published by another travel guide publisher. I assume they use it in their Central America guide to justify including those states in that guide. I don't think following what LP does is appropriate for Wikivoyage. If it were used by others, I'd be okay with it, but I couldn't find it bring used elsewhere.Ground Zero (talk) 00:49, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
"Yucatan, Tabasco, and Chiapas" could work, but it's misleading because it's not in parallel form. (Yucatan refers to the peninsula and not the state, but the other two are states.) It would have to be "Yucatan Peninsula plus Tabasco and Chiapas" (or something like that), which is clunky. I'm not very familiar with Wikivoyage, and especially its style, but I see nothing wrong with the fact that few or no other sources use "Mexican Central America". Is there a policy/guideline in that regard? As for restructuring in the style of Wikiviajes, if the only concern is that it's too much work/time, I should have the time to do that over the course of the next week or so, and I wouldn't mind taking that on. -- Irn (talk) 14:40, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Regions again[edit]

As it looks like no-one is willing to take on the task of restructuring the region's along the lines of Wikiviajes, I think we should revisit this

Our mis-named Yucatan Peninsula region covers what Wikiviajes calls Southeast Mexico and Chiapas state. I think on this basis, we should rename our region Southern Mexico. The fact that Cancún is further north than many states, including almost all of Central Mexico, does not seem to bother our Hispanophone colleagues at Wikiviajes, so I don't think it should bother us. Ground Zero (talk) 23:32, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

But they define Southern Mexico differently than we do; their "Southwestern Mexico" extends to the state of Guerrero. I think without a change in districting, we could call this "Yucatan and the South", but not "Southern Mexico". Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:12, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
The problem with changing regions is not just the breadcrumb hierarchy, but also updating the maps, since there are nowadays few people on Wikivoyage who do the task. I would say, though, that we should look to Spanish Wikivoyage for the best information on Spanish speaking places. We could ask them, perhaps. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 01:28, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
Ikan Kekek: they don't define a Southern Mexico, though. I'm okay with "Yucatan and the South" if if means we can fix the error that we have now.
SelfieCity: good point. I don't have the skills to update maps. Ground Zero (talk) 02:09, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
I just think that's a more logical name for this region if we keep it as is. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:34, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
I have made a static map in the past, but generally I find it extremely time-consuming. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 22:05, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

I've made this change. I hope that no one thinks I was too hasty in making this change because the discussion was only open for 15 months. Ground Zero (talk) 03:13, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

Vandalism from Wikidata that I don't know how to fix, please help[edit]

Check out the quickbar at Mexico#Understand, according to that, Mexico's capital nowadays apparently involves someone's sister. What's more the link does bring you to Mexico City.

The data to the quickbar is to my understanding automatically sourced from Wikidata, but I'm unable to find that passage in the Wikidata file for Mexico, plus the capital parameter there accurately says Mexico City.

Do we have someone onboard familiar with Wikidata who could help? -- ϒψιλον (talk) 17:18, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

The vandalism was reverted four minutes after it was added. Just needed to do a cache purge here. ARR8 (talk) 17:46, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

12-hour or 24-hour clock in Mexico?[edit]

My recollection is that the 24-hour clock is used. Any other opinions? Ground Zero (talk) 03:13, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

Page banner[edit]

Does anyone else think that we could do so much better for Mexico than this page banner? Ground Zero (talk) 14:47, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Current banner

Here is one alternative, that is not already in use elsewhere. Ground Zero (talk) 14:52, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Banner 2 Teotihuacan
Here's an approximate mockup. Looks more enticing than the bridge.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:31, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
The current banner is pretty and should be used somewhere, but hell, yes on the substitution suggestion! Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:59, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
The current banner is of the Mezcala Bridge in Guerrero state. The Guerrero banner is a beautiful one, but I think I've seen that sunset before on a different tropical coast. Well, on just about every tropical coast I've visited. I would move that banner to Guerrero. Ground Zero (talk) 18:07, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
The current Guerrero banner is a sunset at Zihuatanejo, whose current banner is okay, but we could consider the sunset banner there instead of the black-and-white banner. Ground Zero (talk) 18:10, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
Here's to serial demotions🍹🇲🇽 --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 18:44, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
Banner 2 says "México" to me more than the current one does. Nelson Ricardo (talk) 19:40, 11 July 2021 (UTC)