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Some content should probably be moved to Changwon; Changwon rose park seems to be a typical city park rather than a standalone destination requiring its own park article. Gregsmi11 (talk) 15:57, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Outcome: Redirected. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 09:04, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This one had a tag for speedy deletion which I removed. It also had a VFD tag but no listing here. Also this comment:

I'd say keep or redirect, decision to be made by those who know the region. It is a real place, a tourist destination & a possible search term, so deletion should not be considered. Pashley (talk) 13:19, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Article says it is "one of the six ski resort of Les Sybelles, one of the biggest ski areas in Europe". Should we create an article for Les Sybelles with redirects for the resorts? Pashley (talk) 13:25, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
See w:Les Sybelles & . Pashley (talk) 13:43, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'd agree with doing this. It definitely seems that both Les Sybelles and La Toussuire are valid search terms, and I would oppose the latter's deletion. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 21:45, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
If someone creates Les Sybelles it might then be worth discussing whether it should be merged & redirected there, but such discussion would be premature now, & as Ikan says should take place on the article talk page rather than here. Pashley (talk) 19:07, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Outcome: kept. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 09:05, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Damaraland currently redirects to the Four-O region. This makes no sense, because there is pretty much zero overlap between the two regions. Really, Damaraland overlaps Kunene and Erongo. Although "Damaraland" is a pretty popular destination in its own right and probably deserves its own article, I don't see one being created here any time soon. And I can't think of a better article to redirect it to (outside of just Namibia). Brycehughes (talk) 10:09, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Good suggestion, if anyone wants to do the work. Pashley (talk) 12:20, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It might be useful to keep the term even with a stub. Extra-region articles don't have to be long and detailed. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:40, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Extraregions can be of any length, provided it's not just a mere byte or nibble. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 20:24, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
A mere definition of what this region consists of would be sufficient, at least as a start, plus a mention of it being a popular destination and marketed under this name. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:31, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That too. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 20:40, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
So let's Keep it on this basis. User:Brycehughes, would you like to create the extraregion article on this basis? Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:55, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, sure. Good idea. I'm not actually sure what it contains (I think at least Twyfelfontein and Spitzkoppe) but I'll come up with something. Withdrawn. Brycehughes (talk) 00:55, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Awesome. Thanks! Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:40, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Outcome: Nomination withdrawn. Brycehughes (talk) 03:09, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This trail does not exist. It is a proposal to build a trail across several counties in northern California. Some segments of the trail exist, but they can be covered in the appropriate city or region articles. The trail authority's website does not identify a timeline for connecting these segments, only a timeline for public consultations in 2023-2024 about preparing a draft master plan for connecting these segments. The article has no practical travel information, and can't do so because it is just a concept, not a trail. Ground Zero (talk) 01:44, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. I agree with you. Encyclopedias can and do cover proposed attractions. We do not. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:11, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete for now – until it becomes a reality (or even when work starts), it's the job of the encyclopedia, not us. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 09:13, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Not an easy call but I agree. If someone wants to create an article for the individual completed sections of the trail, I think that would be reasonable, though. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 15:59, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes. That could be done in the present article or in sub-articles of it. If the user who started the article (or somebody else) seriously begins that work in the two weeks reserved for this discussion, we should wait a year like for less known itineraries in general. –LPfi (talk) 17:06, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    A small section of the trail is shown on the map passing through Ukiah, but it isn't mentioned in that city's article. I think that an article can be started if it describes the few sections which are open - not a great itinerary to start with if it is a 5 mile walk then a 100 mile drive to the next 2 mile section, but it can be updated as sections open. AlasdairW (talk) 21:11, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't think we should assume that this proposal will be implemented. There are a lot of good intentions and plans, but not all of them come to pass. Let's just put the open segments in the local articles for now, and worry about creating an article later if it is needed. This is a case of one creation vandalism. We should not bend ourselves out of shape to accommodate it. Ground Zero (talk) 22:57, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not arguing to keep the article as is. I think a single sentence about a proposal is OK, but only in an article that has actual travel content. This one has none, and therefore is not a travel article and should be deleted. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:16, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
A possible precedent is at Talk:Itineraries#How_to_proceed_with_only_a_section_of_long_hiking_trails. Checking now (14 years later) I see that Lycian Way has grown quite large & seems to be of reasonable quality. Pashley (talk) 01:23, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see how that is a precedent. That was about someone who had started hiking the Lycian Way and wanted to know if it was okay starting an article about it.
The Lycian Way article was started in 2009, 10 years after the trail opened. The Great Redwood Trail is a proposal, not a trail. I wouldn't be proposing deletion if this were about a trail that had opened 10 years ago, or even 10 days ago.
The situations are not comparable. Ground Zero (talk) 02:04, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I think an article about an incomplete trail can make sense in principle. The article would effectively be a guide to multiple itineraries in the same region and direction that have a sort of spiritual/conceptual connection. It would be useful in the same way that articles about long itineraries are useful to travellers who only do small segments of them. But the current article isn't that – it isn't really anything, and the official website and Wikipedia article don't seem to give enough information to usefully expand it. The article is so empty and the topic is so borderline, I don't see a need to give it a year. Anyway there's no information that will be lost by deleting it – if someone has practical information to provide they can always recreate it. —Granger (talk · contribs) 03:10, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Outcome: clear consensus to delete. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 08:28, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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