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Games and traditional pastimes[edit]

Swept in from the pub

I was just wondering, since we have articles on sports, how about creating articles on some traditional board games or other activities as well? Some I can think of are chess and bridge, and while these are not specific to one area, people can and do travel to participate in and watch chess and bridge tournaments. And for people interested in traditional games, I can think of Chinese chess (xiangqi), Go and mahjong, which are Chinese traditional games that people visiting China (or in the latter two cases, Japan as well) might be interested in learning and participating in. These three games also have professional tournaments you can watch even if you don't play. The dog2 (talk) 00:45, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

There are chess tournaments, and some people do travel to view them. As long as there's a travel angle, go ahead. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:36, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
An article on game could work, particularly on museums, but not article on each type of game, that is for Wikipedia. --Traveler100 (talk) 16:13, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
I'd agree that we shouldn't have articles for every single board game. For example, I don't think checkers should have its own article, like Monopoly or Scrabble. But chess probably is just about good enough. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 17:00, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
So a new user, Fazau11, created a Checkers page today. I have redirected to Chess because I'm not sure everyone agrees yet that we should have a "checkers" article. I don't, for one. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 18:34, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
What's obviously non-travel-related about a "Checkers" article? Web search results for "international checkers tournaments. Note in particular that there is a World Draughts Federation, draughts being the British name for checkers. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:59, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
If the consensus is to start an article about checkers, those who want to start the article can go ahead and expand it. But a new article shouldn't be 2 sentences that state the obvious and/or don't make sense. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 19:02, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
Yeah, that stub was useless and irrelevant. I don't think redirection to Chess is the best thing to do, though. Deletion is more appropriate, IMO. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:17, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────I was only redirecting temporarily, really, not as a long-term plan. Do you think it needs a vfd, or do you think a speedy deletion tag is appropriate? Or should we turn it into a better article about checkers? --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 19:38, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Articles about different board games can very well be valid travel topics, in my opinion. But like with other articles (and travel topics in particular) I think they shouldn't be created just to "have articles". The article creator should be able to write at the very least a paragraph or two about the topic (if needed with help of WP or another external source), and roughly outline the article's scope. ϒpsilon (talk) 20:10, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
I agree with Ypsilon. I don't think a single non-travel-related line of text needs a vfd, just a deletion, as checkers isn't covered in an article about chess, so it makes little sense, IMO, to redirect the stub. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:38, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
Sure. I've changed Checkers accordingly. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 20:45, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
I forgot that you can't (yet) delete an article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:48, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
Maybe in a couple weeks, but yes, not yet. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 20:52, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
Sure, we should not have articles for every single game in existence, but I think we can have articles for games, or "mind sports" as some people call them. when there's a relevance to travel. Besides chess, I'd say bridge is an article we could create if there's someone with expertise on it as like chess, there are professional bridge tournaments that you can travel to watch. Other games I think we could create articles for are those that are popular in specific geographic areas, as travellers from outside those areas might want to travel to learn and experience those games. So games like Go, xiangqi (Chinese chess) and shogi (Japanese chess) can have articles because in the areas they are popular, there are also professional tournaments you can go to watch, and in the case of xiangqi, if you go to China, you can see people playing it in many public parks, and if you are lucky, you might even be able to join one of the locals for a game. Mahjong is a bit in the grey area; it's a popular pastime in much of East Asia, but it's only recently that they have started a professional mahjong tournament circuit. The only catch is that the international rules they use in professional mahjong tournaments is very different from the rules you will encounter when playing with casual players, and every region in China has different rules, as does Japan, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Singapore. The dog2 (talk) 02:31, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
Major board and card games (chess, go, poker, etc.) can have their own articles but as others have alluded to, travel topic articles have a greater onus to be useful for travellers when the article is first created. Gizza (roam) 01:05, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
I strongly agree with this point. It's not a travel topic if there's no travel-relevant content. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:21, 5 November 2018 (UTC)