Talk:German East Africa

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Is this a valid travel topic?[edit]

Are there any actual remnants of the German colonial period that remain in this part of Afirca and are open to tourists? If the answer to that question is no, then I would posit that the answer to the question in the subject header of this message is also no. This is a travel guide, not a historical reference. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 16:57, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

w:East African Campaign (World War I) has some useful information. I would think there are battle sites worth visiting, along with Lake Tanganyika. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 17:06, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

VFD discussion[edit]

German East Africa[edit]

Are there any actual remnants of the German colonial period that remain in this part of Africa and are open to tourists? If the answer to that question is no, then I would posit that this is not a valid travel topic. Wikivoyage is not a historical reference. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 16:58, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

  • Keep. For the record, the article was originally an extraregion, but I converted it to a travel topic because it seemed to be a more relevant name for it. But I don't really see any reason for deleting; it seems useful to travelers to me. But I'd be interested in Pashley's opinion, since he created the article in the first place. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 17:03, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
(Pashley's a she) --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 17:44, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
Not as far as I know :-) Pashley (talk) 18:43, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
Oh dear, perhaps you want to check again? Seriously though, egg on my face, and sorry to SelfieCity. I was convinced, for some reason. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 21:20, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
  • If there were any sites listed, I would say we should keep it, but as it only provides a little history and lists the countries, I think it is of no use to travellers. Delete. Ground Zero (talk) 17:09, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
  • There's not one single attraction or site listed in the article so far. Maybe we should try to expand the article to cover other parts of the German colonial empire as well. If there still isn't anything to list, then it should be deleted. --ϒpsilon (talk) 17:21, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Either expand the scope to a German Empire article (possibly including sites in Poland, etc) or redirect to East Africa. I see no purpose in deleting. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 17:44, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
  • @Ypsilon: On the article’s talk page, I mentioned some ideas for attractions/sites. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 17:53, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
Great, still I wonder if it would make sense to expand the scope of the article to cover at least other parts of Africa that were under German control, perhaps also the German islands in Oceania (Papua New Guinea, Nauru, something else?), Qingdao and what more is there? --ϒpsilon (talk) 17:57, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
Perhaps another options would be to move the German East Africa article to “German Empire”. Is there a pre war Germany article yet? --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 18:00, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
Apparently not. So that would be another option. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 18:01, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
Keep. I created it as an extra region to fix a red link in MV Liemba. I think it should remain as an extra region, see no reason to expand it & do not know of any tourist sites that might be mentioned. I don't think it works as a travel topic because there are no monuments or ruins to visit. If someone wants to write a German Empire article & turn this into a redirect to a section of that, fine. Otherwise, leave it. Pashley (talk) 18:50, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
Sorry, I just saw the article was short and assumed that it should be expanded. I can undo back to its extraregion days if you like. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 19:04, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
I mean, extraregions can just sit as empty shells if they serve another purpose, so maybe we should leave it alone. The (pre World War I) German Empire could still work as a travel topic, though, and should, I think, include remnants of German influence in places such as Danzig, Königsberg, Breslau, Kattowitz, Strasburg etc... ethno-culturally they may have been mostly 'cleansed', but that fine Prussian architecture still stands (four out of five of those cities bluelink too, impressive). --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 21:30, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Keep as an extraregion. Why not? It's like Indochina or Old Tibetan provinces—an extraregion that explains what current destinations match up to a historical region. —Granger (talk · contribs) 02:45, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Keep as extraregion The Indochina model seems appropriate for this. It is not a travel topic. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 12:17, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Keep as extraregion. Agree with above. Gizza (roam) 23:31, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

Resoultion: Kept