Wikivoyage talk:Wikivoyage edit-a-thon 2018

Edit-a-thon "5 years Wikivoyage"

Swept in from the pub

See here for the preceding discussion, @ויקיג'אנקי, Hobbitschuster, ThunderingTyphoons!, AndreCarrotflower, DaGizza

We propose an edit-a-thon dedicated to the 5th anniversary of the Wikivoyage launch at the WMF servers that took place on January 15, 2013. At Russian Wikivoyage it will be combined with the celebration of our 5000th article that we expect in early January. In a nutshell, we plan to request central banner on relevant language versions of Wikipedia, and offer small presents to everyone who makes useful edits to Wikivoyage articles during the period of January 16 - February 15, 2018.

We prepared several pages:

• Landing page that explains the basics of adding new objects and editing the existing ones; how to use Listing Editor and what to write in the description field
• Getting started, where we explain how to use Wikivoyage (dynamic maps, images, GPX files, offline usage) and what is special about our project; how we are different from other travel guides
• Rules of the edit-a-thon. The participants will score 1 point for each object added to an article, provided that they add practical information and write a meaningful description based on their first-hand knowledge. Copying information from the web is strongly discouraged.

Every participant who scored more than 10 points, will receive postcards (this is equivalent to the prizes given for the Asian Month in Wikipedia). Those participants who will write at least 2 articles with the usable or guide status will receive printed travel guide for the region of their choice.

These are the rules at Russian Wikivoyage. You should feel free to modify them in your own way, but please, stick to several general guidelines:

• Prepare the landing page that will include brief instructions on which articles to edit, how to edit them, as well as links to relevant policies and guidelines in your language
• Provide the text of the central notice in your language
• Name one person who will be responsible for the communication
• If you plan to give presents, draft formal rules and find the presents. Our presents are partly funded by Wikimedia Russia and partly by ourselves. Talking to your regional chapter or even writing a rapid grant application may be a good idea. The prizes are not compulsory, but they are likely to increase the number of participants and motivate them to work harder.

Deadline: January 4, 2018. After this date I will initiate the Central Notice request on meta. Without the landing page and other relevant information, I won't be able to include your language into the request, and you won't have the central banner. Should you have question, please, ask them here or on my talk page. Happy New Year, and all the best in 2018! --Alexander (talk) 21:50, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

I meant to say this earlier: A CentralNotice about the "birthday" should be feasible. I suggest pinging Seddon when you post it, because the timeline will be tight.

(Prizes, even if "just" postcards that require people's real-world names and mailing addresses, add significantly to the complexity.) WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:24, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I will ping several Central Notice admins when we are ready.

Regarding the prizes, they are not compulsory (as I already said), and they are not difficult either. We give prizes for Wiki Loves Earth / Monuments on a regular basis. The prizes do show that the whole thing is serious. However, one can forget the prizes for now and focus on a much simpler task: find one person in each language who will be able to write the text of the central notice, prepare the landing page, and hold responsibility for the communication. --Alexander (talk) 20:28, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

WhatamIdoing, some finicky and largely unreasonable editor appeared in the discussion on Meta. What would you recommend to do in this case? --Alexander (talk) 00:02, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

I don't think that any single editor gets "veto rights". If it meets the usual guidelines, and you follow the usual process, then it will probably get approved in due course. WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:11, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

The Hebrew Wikivoyage is definitely in! I already sent Alexander the information about Hebvoy's landing page and the text in Hebrew for the central notice on Wikimedia's Hebrew sites (Alexander, please reply there as I don't want to open two different discussions on the matter).

I really hope the most prominent users at the other editions of Wikivoyage would also choose to join. I'll try pingining some of their most prominent users below:

• Prominent users on the German Wikivoyage - Balou46, RolandUnger
• Prominent users on the Italian Wikivoyage - Andyrom75, LINO CORRADI
• Prominent users on the French Wikivoyage - Adehertogh, GGDELABAS
• Prominent users on the Polish Wikivoyage - Moromar, M Z Wojalski
• Prominent users on the Spanish Wikivoyage - Zerabat, White Master
• Prominent users on the Portuguese Wikivoyage - Giovanni L. Zanchet, DARIO SEVERI
• Prominent users on the Dutch Wikivoyage - Hein56didden, FredTC
• Prominent users on the Persian Wikivoyage - Doostdar, AFlorence
• Prominent users on the Chinese Wikivoyage - Yuriy kosygin, Zhangzhugang
• Prominent users on the Vietnamese Wikivoyage - Huỳnh Nhân-thập
• Prominent users on the Ukrainian Wikivoyage - Visem, Voll
• Prominent users on the Greek Wikivoyage - Handrian, Nikosguard
• Prominent users on the Swedish Wikivoyage - Dan Koehl, Riggwelter
• Prominent users on the Romanian Wikivoyage - BAICAN XXX, Acruj
• Prominent users on the Hindi Wikivoyage - हिंदुस्थान वासी, स
• Prominent users on the Finnish Wikivoyage - Kulmalukko

ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 07:16, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Dear Wikivoyage coleagues. Happy to hear good news from you. I want to inform you that we together with Antanana and with help of Wikimedia Ukraine are organizing contest in Ukrainian Wikivoyage "Support Wikivoyage in Ukrainian" which will take place during February. Unfortunatelly, Ukrainian Wikivoyage is not active enough, so we want to make some steps in promoting it. During this contest we expecting new articles in Ukrainian and also articles about Ukraine in foreign languages (in case it is already exist in Ukrainian version). So, we should think about how to combine with Edit-a-thon "5 years Wikivoyage". And I also invite you to the page of our contest and put some propositions of articles about your countries. Happy New Year holidays to everyone! --Visem (talk) 21:22, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

• Thank ויקיג'אנקי send an about Wikivoyage news, though we Chinese editors are not active and the plan time is too tight, but we will do our best! Take this opportunity to fight! The here is Chinese Wikivoyage first creating project (like the Russian one)--Yuriy kosygin (talk) 16:41, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Yuriy, thanks for joining! Your landing page looks good. Consider translating other pages too, or at least provide links to relevant policies. --Alexander (talk) 18:22, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

@Atsirlin: By the way, Are these edit-a-thon awards from WMF provide?--Yuriy kosygin (talk) 16:33, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Yuriy, the prizes for the Russian contest are partly sponsored by Wikimedia Russia (it's not the same thing as WMF) and partly by the Russian Wikivoyage community. --Alexander (talk) 20:43, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

@Atsirlin: OK, I understand. so we Chinese Wikivoyage no awards can provide, and take Destination of the month candidates to replace(Cause Chinese editors are not active). Non Russia Wikivoyage maybe can see also Chinese Wikivoyage(Landing page, Getting started, and Rules of the edit-a-thon).--Yuriy kosygin (talk) 13:56, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

• Hi! As other users pointed out about their language's wiki our Hindi wikivoyage is also not active (for now). But we will still create landing page and banner text. Please give me English translation.--हिंदुस्थान वासी (talk) 14:48, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

@हिंदुस्थान वासी: Please see the the links below to the translated versions that are currently and stored in my userspace. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 19:37, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

• Regarding Spanish Wikivoyage, most of Spanish speakers users from the southern hemisphere (several countries in South America) currently are on summer holidays, so there would be not many contributors from there who could active contribute. Also I need a template to write the Spanish version of the Central Notice banner, if you could provide me one. --Zerabat (talk) 15:49, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

@Zerabat: zh:MediaWiki:Sitenotice is this you want Central Notice banner?--Yuriy kosygin (talk) 16:26, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. I have translated it to es:Wikiviajes:Editatón_Wikiviajes_2018/Sitenotice waiting for more input from users. --Zerabat (talk) 19:02, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Zerabat, thank you! The automatic translation tells me that you "invite people to celebrate the 5th anniversary of Wikivoyage". Are you sure readers will understand that you actually invite them to contribute to Wikivoyage? --Alexander (talk) 21:00, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

@Zerabat: You can see Here, Spanish version was established at 2013-01-07!--Yuriy kosygin (talk) 17:38, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

• Of course, German Wikivoyage will take part in the 2018 Wikivoyage edit-a-thon. We started to prepare the following pages:
  • Erste Schritte = landing page = Первые шаги = premiers pas
  • Bearbeitungs-Marathon 2018 = Марафон 5x1000 (of course, 17x1000 is not so nice) = Marathon d'édition 2018

We will extend these pages within the next days. --RolandUnger (talk) 16:46, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

We need to prepare English versions of the Russian edit-a-thon pages

Without any doubt, I think what Alexander and the rest of the Russian Wikivoyage community created is the best source which would be the basis for any Wikivoyage edition that will try to create their own version of this edit-a-thon. As such, I think it would be best if we create English versions of the three Russian marathon pages so that people like Yuriy kosygin and Visem above could easily and quickly translate these pages to their own languages before January 4.

The three pages we need to translate to English (they'll be stored in my user space) are:

• Wikivoyage:Wikivoyage edit-a-thon 2018 (Link to article on RuVoy)
• Wikivoyage:Landing page (Link to article on RuVoy)
• Wikivoyage:Getting started (Link to article on RuVoy)

ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 18:21, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

• @ויקיג'אנקי: I think these are translated well, should be able to create it! However, the image may need to change for english version.--Yuriy kosygin (talk) 15:48, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

@Yuriy kosygin: I plan to create the English version of these images later on today. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 19:33, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for this. I think the examples of high quality articles mentioned on the edit-a-thon page will need to change. The examples of Perm and Bled are high quality on Russian Wikivoyage but not necessarily so here (especially compared to other articles we have). Gizza ^(roam) 21:45, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

The linked Edit-a-thon article appears to be mainly about Edit-a-thons which happen in a physical room, rather than online only editing events. I assume that we are not planning to hire any editing venues, and should make it clear that this is an online only event which you can join in from the comfort of wherever you are. AlasdairW (talk) 00:06, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

I removed that link. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 11:33, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Shifting the dates to February?

@RolandUnger, ויקיג'אנקי, Zerabat, Adehertogh, हिंदुस्थान वासी|हिंदुस्थान वासी|हिंदुस्थान वासी, Lkcl it, Yuriy kosygin

After checking with one of the Central Notice admins, I would propose shifting the edit-a-thon by 2 weeks and running it in February (1.02-28.02.2018). There are several reasons behind that:

• Ukrainian Wikivoyage has planned its edit-a-thon for February already long time ago. They would not be able to start on January 16.
• Talking to Central Notice admins is very slow (I posted the request on January 4 and got the response just now), so we may not be done with the Central Notice by January 15.
• There will be more time to polish everything and perhaps find the prizes ;)

Should you disagree, tell me ASAP. If you agree, please, update your landing pages and post an announcement in Wikipedia in your language. It is not entirely clear to me whether we have to seek an explicit permission of each Wikipedia where Central Notice will be placed (most people don't seem to do that). I would propose that you make a more general announcement, where you advertise the edit-a-thon itself, invite Wikipedia editors to participate, request comments, and mention that central notice will be enabled. Thank you for cooperation! --Alexander (talk) 00:10, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

In Spanish Wikivoyage case, there isn't many active editors, so meanwhile we aren't displaying banners on all [Spanish] Wikimedia projects who could make aware of the event to other Wikimedians, there shouldn't be any problem to change this event to February, and could be more beneficial to the esvoy community since it allows us to get ready, but I'd like to know if other editions would be willing to do the same change. --Zerabat (talk) 03:43, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Speaking about Italian Wikivoyage I think that the most important thing is to obtain the central notice banner. If to do this it's better to shift the dates then let's shift them! —Lkcl it _(Talk) 09:48, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

We Chinese Wikivoyage also supports Shifting the dates to February, Because time is too fast!--Yuriy kosygin (talk) 15:05, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

I was browsing through the language editions pages of this event and could see that no one other than ruvoy and ukvoy have changed the dates to February 1st to 28th. Was this proposal finally aproved or are we still going to celebrate this from the next week? --Zerabat (talk) 21:41, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Zerabat, well, you are free to choose the dates, but central notice is planned for February 1-28. Please, don't forget to post a notification on Wikipedia. --Alexander (talk) 22:21, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Posting an announcement on Wikipedia

@RolandUnger, ויקיג'אנקי, Zerabat, Adehertogh, हिंदुस्थान वासी|हिंदुस्थान वासी|हिंदुस्थान वासी, Lkcl it, Yuriy kosygin

It would be good to post an announcement on Wikipedia in your language and add a link to our request on Meta (some links are already there, but commented out for the time being). This announcement will pursue two goals: first, inform the Wikipedia community about the edit-a-thon; second, fulfill Central Notice guidelines that require a notification of the projects involved.

If you need an example of the announcement, check my recent post at the forum of Russian Wikipedia. I think it is important to put more weight on the edit-a-thon, to avoid nit-picky opinions about the Central Notice itself. It also makes sense to use the wording that implies the Central Notice will be there anyway, and the question is only about its fine-tuning, like banner text and display frequency.

Thank you in advance! --Alexander (talk) 23:19, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

So we have a provisional approval by the Central Notice admin, but he asks us explicitly to notify individual projects (viz. Wikipedias). --Alexander (talk) 08:11, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

We Chinese Wikivoyage also submitted a request to Wikipedia.--Yuriy kosygin (talk) 16:23, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Spanish Wikipedia done. --Zerabat (talk) 00:53, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Italian Wikipedia and Commons done. --Lkcl it _(Talk) 09:04, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

French Wikipedia done.--Adehertogh (talk) 20:35, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Hebrew Wikipedia done too. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 11:36, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

English Wikipedia done also (apparently the only one left is the German Wikipedia). ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 13:59, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Central Notice design

Currently, we have two options, one with the cake and one with the logo. Please, make the choice for your language. We may also be asked to use the same banner design in all languages. I would go for the logo then, because posting the cake on top of Wikipedia pages is a bit showy and may not be appreciated by the community. --Alexander (talk) 17:40, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

• We Chinese need 2 logo(Traditional Chinese: 維基導遊, Simplified Chinese: 维基导游), and 4 year (Traditional Chinese: 4週年, Simplified Chinese: 4周年), but we Chinese wikivoyage nobody one can make logo....--Yuriy kosygin (talk) 15:24, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Yuriy kosygin, since we have time, I can try to create the logos in Chinese (can't promise it, though, because characters are exotic). However, I don't quite understand why you need the different writings. Are there two different Wikipedias for the Traditional and Simplified Chinese? If not, how should one know which banner to use? --Alexander (talk) 23:22, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

On the Chinese Wikipedia, users can choose which type of characters they prefer to see, and the software automatically converts them. I assume the software would be able to decide which banner to show in the same way. —Granger (talk · contribs) 23:33, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Alexander, Because Chinese have 2 version user, The Simplified Chinese for China, Malaysia and Singapore use it, and the Traditional Chinese for Taiwan, Macao and Hong Kong use it. as Granger talk, On the Chinese Wikipedia, users can choose which type of characters they prefer to see, and the software automatically converts them.--Yuriy kosygin (talk) 16:35, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

• Can't you use both like this one: es:Wikiviajes:Editatón Wikiviajes 2018/Sitenotice? But instead of the standard Wv logo, use the 5 years Wv logo (Wiki ↵ voyage -> Wiki ↵ viajes; 5 years -> 5 años). --Zerabat (talk) 16:43, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

I also like the design with two images, copying and paste yours, I have created the Italian version, but I wasn't able to translate the svg file. Can someone help (years->anni)?. Thanks --Lkcl it _(Talk) 09:11, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

@Lkcl_it: I created what you've asked for: File:Wikivoyage-Logo-v3-it 5years.svg. --Zerabat (talk) 17:46, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

@Zerabat Thanks --Lkcl it _(Talk) 18:05, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ @Yuriy kosygin: I could make both logos for Chinese wikivoyage, but I don't have a lot of CJK typefaces in my computer to choose from. I have a few Heiti, Ming and Song typefaces, but I don't know if those have proper coverage of chinese characters. Also I don't have any Kaiti font. Are you OK if I use WenQuanYi for the text of 4 years? --Zerabat (talk) 02:04, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

@Zerabat: I think Heiti typefaces is good, and you can use WenQuanYi for the text of 4 years.--Yuriy kosygin (talk) 13:28, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

@Yuriy kosygin: Done: File:Wikivoyage-Logo-v3-zh-hans 5years.svg and File:Wikivoyage-Logo-v3-zh-hant 5years.svg. Do you think both look OK? --Zerabat (talk) 18:08, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

@Zerabat: It's OK! Not bad.--Yuriy kosygin (talk) 13:56, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

• I think the one with the logo without cake seems real better. Someone could make a logo in french? "Wikivoyage" = "Wikivoyage" and "5 years" = "5 ans". Thanks--Adehertogh (talk) 20:40, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

@Adehertogh: Done, File:Wikivoyage-Logo-v3-fr 5years.svg. Please tell me if you need me to make a fix. --Zerabat (talk) 02:20, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Wikivoyage edit-a-thon 2018 - Do you support having the English Wikivoyage participate as well?

Swept in from the pub

In the recent days I have created the following two pages in my user space - Wikivoyage:Wikivoyage_edit-a-thon_2018 and Wikivoyage:Short guide for new editors - which are mostly based on the edit-a-thon pages created by the Russian Wikivoyage, as well as the pages of Asia Month on the English Wikipedia. I was hoping that having those pages in English would help all other Wikivoyage editions to easily translate them to their own languages, after they would be collaboratively improved (Instead of having each Wikivoyage edition translate these pages by themselves from Russian).

At this point we already have six Wikivoyage editions that would participate in this edit-a-thon: The German Wikivoyage, The Spanish Wikivoyage, The French Wikivoyage, The Russian Wikivoyage, The Chinese Wikivoyage, The Hebrew Wikivoyage.

I wanted to suggest that the English Wikivoyage as well would join this Edit-a-thon. Please express your support in having the English Wikivoyage participate in the edit-a-thon as well + having the two project pages I made moved to the project space (and help me improve them as much as possible).

In my opinion, having the English Wikivoyage join is very important as this might help us ensure that the edit-a-thon would be approved and that as a result many people would be exposed to Wikivoyage and consider joining the efforts to develop it. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 21:14, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Please note, as of now I haven't yet re-created the included images in the two translated pages with screen grabs from the English Wikivoyage (they currently show the original screen grabs from the Russian Wikivoyage). I plan on creating the new screen grabs in a couple of hours. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 21:27, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

I don't think having English Wikivoyage on board is that important. What counts here is the solid preparation work and the interest of the community, which does not seem to be the case, given the fact that I pinged several active editors already a week ago, but none of them ever took a minute to respond.

Anyway, the Wikivoyage:Wikivoyage_edit-a-thon_2018 page is not needed when no prizes are given out. People can also contribute less than 400 words, why would it matter? As for the second page, Wikivoyage:Short guide for new editors (thanks a lot for translating it!), it has to be proof-read from the perspective of English Wikivoyage. From my side, I can mention two points. First, the section 'About Wikivoyage' promotes Wikivoyage as a place to find information beyond printed travel guides, which would be true for Russian Wikivoyage, but it's not quite the case here (see the infamous discussion about featuring Riga as Destination of the Month, and similar stories). Second, the concept of 'What deserves its own article?' is quite different in English and Russian Wikivoyages, and this might require additional comments. English Wikivoyage is more open to articles with whatever listings have been added, whereas Russian Wikivoyage tends to only host articles about places of significant interest to travelers. --Alexander (talk) 21:55, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Sounds interesting. What's the scope of this? Is the aim to just add content/create articles for any destination or is there a specific area of interest? Drat70 (talk) 00:54, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

In my opinion, while the main goal is to encourage many more people to expand or create the articles they have most knowledge about or are mostly interested in... it would be ideal to also use this opportunity to pick around 200 articles, which are the ones we think are considered the most sought after articles that still need a lot of work (maybe selected articles from the Outline articles category), and have them listed on this page under the headline "Selected articles that especially need improvement" (that's what I did on the parallel page at the Hebrew Wikivoyage). Under the same headline we could also refer the participants to Wikivoyage:Requested articles. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 01:20, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

I am supportive of the edit-a-thon though it seems to somewhat overlap with the Collaboration of the month, which was successfully revived on English Wikivoyage half a year ago. One of current Cotm nominations is to improve around 200 outline districts. Not sure if other languages have an active Cotm at the moment. Gizza ^(roam) 03:38, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

I don't see the connection between the edit-a-thon and Collaboration of the Month. The latter event is for experienced editors, while the former seeks to attract new editors. The Collaboration of the Month does not require the landing page and Central notice. --Alexander (talk) 11:41, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

@Atsirlin: do you think that there should be a scope to this edit-a-thon though? or do you think it would be better if it just encourages people to expand or create ANY article they have most knowledge about while completely refraining from adding any list of suggested articles that mostly need to be expanded/improved? How do you feel about my suggestion above? ("In my opinion, while the main goal is to encourage many more people to expand or create the articles they have most knowledge about or are mostly interested in... it would be ideal to also use this opportunity to pick around 200 articles, which are the ones we think are considered the most sought after articles that still need a lot of work"). ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 13:58, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

I think that this event should encourage new editors to share their knowledge at Wikivoyage. If you restrict everything to 200 cities, people may not find any familiar name in this list and will refrain from participating.

However, it's up to the community to decide. So far the community did not express much interest in this edit-a-thon. --Alexander (talk) 18:35, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

I support having the edit-a-thon and think it sounds like a good way to attract new editors. My instinct is that we don't need to recommend a list of specific destinations, but it probably wouldn't hurt as long as we're clear that it's just a set of suggestions, and improvements to any article would be much appreciated. —Granger (talk · contribs) 18:48, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

@Atsirlin: thanks for clarifying. If it is meant for new editors, I don't think we should restrict the articles at all then. Let them add content to whatever they want. Gizza ^(roam) 23:09, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Definitely no restriction! Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:06, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

I support English Wikivoyage participating in the Edit-a-thon. I've seen and done a bit of editing of a draft statement for the event. Is there a proposed timeline for when to have the statement finished and posted to Wikipedia? Would we post a much shorter announcement to Wikipedia and link it to the Edit-a-thon 2018 page here? Where on Wikipedia would we post the announcement? Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:29, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

w:en:WP:VPM is the usual place for announcements. WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:04, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Thank you; I wouldn't have guessed that would be the place. Is there a timeline for when to have the statement ready and publish it? Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:17, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

It should be ready and published now, see Posting an announcement on Wikipedia. --Alexander (talk) 07:17, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

What's up with "November"?

In the "sign up" line it says something about "November". What's that about? Hobbitschuster (talk) 19:17, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Wikivoyage edit-a-thon 2018

Swept in from the pub

Only 8 days left until the edit-a-thon starts. A lot has been accomplished towards this edit-a-thon (thanks to everyone whom have contributed to that, and especially to Alexander), although I still wish more editions of Wikivoyage would join the edit-a-thon in the last second (why aren't the Polish, Dutch, Greek and Persian Wikivoyage editions joining?).

I wanted to request that the English Wikivoyage community help me with the following things related to this edit-a-thon:

• Please go over the three pages of the edit-a-thon (1, 2, 3) and help improve them as much as you can (I still think that the contributions page could probably look a lot better but not sure how to do that). A LOT of people are going to discover the English Wikivoyage for the first time through the edit-a-thon landing page through February 2018... and therefore, please help me make sure that it would be inviting and effective.
• I need at least one or two more editor/s to help me with with the tasks related to organizing this edit-a-thon on the English Wikivoyage. any volunteers? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 20:48, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

The aforementioned Wikivoyages do not join, because they do not have any active editors capable of organizing this. As already mentioned, there is no need to pull dormant Wikivoyages into the edit-a-thon. It will only have negative impact on the others. --Alexander (talk) 21:07, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Would it not be simpler to run this if we removed any suggestion of it being a competition? I expect that some readers who are not used to wikis will expect to receive a barnstar through the post. AlasdairW (talk) 22:10, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Regarding that... yesterday we managed to get Wikimedia Israel to support the edit-a-thon at the Hebrew Wikivoyage, meaning that they would supply ten prizes to the 10 most prolific editors participating in the edit-a-thon at the Hebrew Wikivoyage (I basically asked if they would be willing to supply the same prizes that were given as part of the 2017 Asia month edit-a-thon). Whom should we approach in order to have Wikimedia support the edit-a-thon at the English Wikivoyage? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 18:08, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Is anyone interested in helping me co-organize the edit-a-thon on the English Wikivoyage? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 18:11, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

I don't mind participating in edit-a-thons, but I don't have the time to organize. One thing I want to point out is that you shouldn't restrict people from signing up after February 15. Just keep it open until the last day. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 03:45, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

We are getting some good new contributor, but also getting the attention of vandals. So patience with new users not familiar with this site's conventions but vigilance for those only here to disrupt. --Traveler100 (talk) 18:45, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

I'm glad that the list of participants have grown substantially since it started. If it's about vetting contributions after the end of edit-a-thon, I can do that. (I will be travelling abroad in the latter half of this month. And yes, that includes a full day in Andorra which was the reason it drew me to Wikivoyage.) OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 02:53, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

Dutch Wikivoyage

Is there a possibility to join the edit-a-thon 2018 with the Dutch Wikivoyage? DirkVE (talk) 13:30, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Just found out that the deadline was January 4, 2018, a pitty! --DirkVE (talk) 14:18, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Hi |DirkVE thanks for your question. While it may be too late to start an official edit-a-thon on the Dutch Wikivoyage, hopefully there are new contributors that see the notice on the English, German, French Wikivoyages, etc. that also know Dutch and will want to contribute there. Gizza ^(roam) 03:09, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

I started for myself an "unoffical" edit-a-thon and planning to contribute on the Dutch Wikivoyage as much as I can this month. DirkVE (talk) 08:21, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Link to "Participate"

Hi all,

I did not see a way to add my name without reading the source, finding the subpage at /Participants, and manually adding a line to the wikitable. That's a lot of syntax requirements for newer users; could it be improved? Cheers, Pgallert (talk) 10:16, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback Pgallert. I added many new rows so that new users can easily add themselves. I prefer that we'll keep the table so that we'll have more information about what people are working on (which, in my opinion, is much more inspiring to potential new editors whom are considering contributing to Wikivoyage than just having a plain list of usernames). ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 15:02, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Wikivoyage userbox

I tried adding the Wikivoyage userbox - unsuccessfully - it comes up as template not found. Any advice? —The preceding comment was added by Uberlibris (talk • contribs)

It works for me:

This user participated in the 2018 Wikivoyage edit-a-thon

The code is {{User Wikivoyage edit-a-thon 2018}}, you can click on Edit Source on this page to see how I added it.

You can create your own userpage to add the userbox to at User:Uberlibris. Does that work?

On a different note, on talk pages you can add ~~~~ under your messages, that will make a signature such as the one below this message.

Drat70 (talk) 05:07, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

oops - forgot the signature. However, I have discovered the problem - I added it to my wikipedia user page instead of my wikivoyage user page. It works n my wikivoyage user page.

Uberlibris (talk) 05:30, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

Typo

I've never been here before but I may try to help before the end of the month.

But someone might want to remove one of the "the"'s in the ask a question section. Ook the Librarian (talk) 18:48, 6 February 2018 (UTC) Ook the Librarian (talk)

Done Thanks for noticing and welcome! :) ϒpsilon (talk) 19:03, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

Edit-a-thon progress report

Swept in from the pub

Thus far, it looks like the 2018 edit-a-thon has been mostly a success. Lots of new folks have been introduced to Wikivoyage and have contributed some quality material, but as we know by now, there has also been an uptick in 1) vandalism, as well as 2a) good-faith but inexperienced newbie edits that have to be reformatted to fit our standards and 2b) good-faith but inexperienced newbie editors who've needed to be counseled on how things work around here. I just wanted to leave this note here to recognize everyone who's stepped up on Recent Changes patrol to take on the sharply increased workload on all of these fronts (especially in terms of the good-faith newbies, who present situations that require a bit more time and diplomacy to address). We've all done a great job keeping up, and let's keep that going however much longer this lasts! -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 17:52, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

I'd like to echo everything Andre said. Overall, this has been a real shot in the arm for the site! Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:54, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

I completely agree. This is the most attention we've been getting since the relaunch 5 years ago. Let's hope and do all we can to make sure the increase in editors and readers is more sustained than last time around. Gizza ^(roam) 23:09, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

As "good-faith but inexperienced newbie" thanks to those editors that are helping to counsel. There are lots of people out there that are potential resources for this site. Everyone brings a different perspective, and when you are too quick to block or revert something in the early days of contribution the "good-faith but inexperienced newbie" probably quickly gets disconcerted and is more likely to leave. Good luck to the growth. J-wonder (talk) 00:30, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Username

How can I create a username?

Hi and welcome!

You can have a look at the following page: Wikivoyage:How_to_create_a_user_account. This will explain on how you can create an user account with username. In short you can follow the Login link. (It's also in the upper right corner). Drat70 (talk) 11:59, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

Geography

What Inner parts of the earth do you know?

Crust Mantle Core Sagarika keshri19 (talk) 12:37, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Chicago

What is th metro like (Added at 12:37, 18 February 2018‎ by Sagarika keshri19)

Please see the get around section of Chicago, then if you have any questions, please post them on the Wikivoyage:Tourist office page. AlasdairW (talk) 13:46, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Contribution size

How do you know that your contribution is more than 4,000 bytes ? —The preceding comment was added by Sissssou (talk • contribs)

Hi there. If you go to your contributions page (you can normally access this by clicking on the 'Contributions' button on the top right of the page, next to 'Log out'), you'll see that each edit has either a green positive number, a red negative number or a grey zero. They represent the number of bytes added or removed from the page by each edit, where red indicates bytes removed, green bytes added and grey indicates no change in the total number of bytes. Hope this answers your question; if not, let us know.

By the way, would you mind signing your posts on this and all other talk pages, either by typing four tildes in a row (like so: ~~~~), or by clicking the signature button on the top of the edit window. Both actions create a timestamp with your username when you click publish, which helps other Wikivoyagers know whom they're talking to. Enjoy the editathon, ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 23:04, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Another way is to go into this link, type the article you've been working on and click on Submit. A whole bunch of statistics and graphs will be loaded. When you scroll down you will see your username and the number of overall bytes you've added to the page. Gizza ^(roam) 23:29, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Pay for content

it would be very motivating and fair if you offered some sort of compensation especially if you want talented writers and cultured travelers to share insights, pictures, and precise information. —The preceding comment was added by 197.237.117.218 (talk • contribs)

Yeah, that's not going to happen. Wikivoyage is part of the Wikimedia Foundation, which is a not-for-profit organisation. Wikivoyagers, many of whom are extremely cultured and talented, are volunteers, and we do this because we love it. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 17:07, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

I hear that Wikivoyage:Administrators get paid 50% more than regular contributors... is this true? ;) K7L (talk) 05:44, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Yes indeed. (And for the humor-challenged among us: Remember that 50% of 0 is 0.) Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:11, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

It's 50% minus voluntary pension contributions. Got myself a nice little nest egg growing for when I fall out with you all and "wikiretire". --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 12:16, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Juma Johnson Amum

Ok —The preceding comment was added by 102.181.206.238 (talk • contribs)

Hi. You can put brief information about yourself on your user page. See my more detailed answer at User talk:102.181.206.238. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:38, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Edit-a-thon Barnstar

So how do we see the barnstar we earned? Zcarstvnz (talk) 11:08, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

I will hand it out. Right now I'm double-checking to make sure those who worked on an article but forgot to move it to "complete" column also gets credit. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 15:53, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

Wikivoyage edit-a-thon 2018 results

Swept in from the pub

The results for Wikivoyage edit-a-thon 2018 is ready. It took some time to compile and review, and I'm quite liberal with what's considered as an expanded article (something beyond adding a few short sentences or fixing typos). I have also included a few that began on January 31 since not everyone lives in UTC timezone.

One thing to note is that future edit-a-thon should consider using dashboard to make user-editing tracking easier and minimize the manual checking work. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 03:28, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Twice a year?

The edit-a-thon doesn't seem to be a common occurrence. What if we made it twice a year? Selfie City (talk) 03:33, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Well I think there was some hesitation on the part of some with our banner thingy. And without the banner, what is this edit-a-thon really? Hobbitschuster (talk) 15:12, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

We won't be able to get a Wikimedia-wide banner for a twice-yearly event. The last editathon took a lot of people quite a long time to set up, time which would ordinarily be better spent on editing the guide. Plus, there's a novelty factor to editathons which is a large part of what draws people in; this would be lost if it became a regular fixture in the calendar. ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 00:41, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

I think the edits to the guide from new editors that came because of the edit-a-thon more than made up for the decrease in editing activity by the experienced editors because they spent some of their time in setting it up (especially since the new edits improved many countries and destinations which our experienced editors hardly touch). Having said that, it is the WMF that has the ultimate say on this and they simply won't allow such a frequent edit-a-thon. User:Seddon_(WMF) did mention a possible low-level campaign targeting readership instead, especially when the changes to the mobile main page are implemented. That may be a better option in the meantime. Gizza ^(roam) 01:07, 13 June 2018 (UTC)