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Guide status?[edit]

Has this, or any other continent article, reached guide status yet? Selfie City (talk) 00:54, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

No. And it won't ever, because the requirements for that are basically unmeetable, what with the requirement for subdivisions to have a certain status.... Hobbitschuster (talk) 01:08, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
The main difficulty is that all of the immediate subregions and the listed cities and other destinations have to be usable status or better. That means that to get Asia to guide status, we'd need to get Central Asia, Middle East, Russia, Caucasus, South Asia, Southeast Asia, and Lake Baikal to usable status, which in turn depends on getting the most important of their listed cities and other destinations to usable status. I think that's hard but maybe not impossible. It might be a little easier for Europe. —Granger (talk · contribs) 02:07, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
In addition to the requirements for the linked cities/regions, I think a lot of the sections within this article are still not at guide level. We don't have a model continental article, but many don't yet even have a basic overview. A lot of the above mentioned "See" section additions were never added, the "Do" section remains a bulleted list, "Eat" and "Sleep" are really bare, The "History" section has not been expanded since the discussion about its shortcomings as well, etc. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 11:08, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Switch this banner with the one at Tibet[edit]

I think the one at Tibet is a better example of Asia than the current banner here, and I think a swap would be a good idea. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 02:55, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

I disagree, because that banner is specifically and pointedly a picture of the Potala, whereas this one is just mountains and could be in various places. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:06, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
I would agree with Ikan. Asia is too large and diverse to represent with one just easily identifiable location. Andrewssi2 (talk) 08:14, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
I agree with Ikan as well.
We might consider a better banner for Asia, but it is hard to find something that can represent such a large & diverse continent well. I think the Potala banner is excellent for Tibet. Pashley (talk) 12:01, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
I wonder if it would be at all possible to have a carousel-like banner for continents, like the main page. I'm sure it's a terrible thought for many reasons, but it would at least make it easier to give a somewhat more balanced representation. As nice as the mountain banner is, it hardly screams "Asia" to most travellers, I think... Chinese lanterns, a colourful bowl of bibimbap or Thai curry, a temple or an overcrowded Indonesian or Indian street, plus some mountains or steppe would do the trick so much better. Sigh... I miss Asia ;-)) JuliasTravels (talk) 12:41, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
I would be open to create an exception for having montage banners for Continent level articles only. Just because no single image will ever work for Asia or any other continent. Andrewssi2 (talk) 20:53, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────How's this? I just did it in my sandbox:



Agra is the location of the Taj Mahal



The country with the world's highest population

Of course, based on the Main page. We couldn't use two of these banners at the moment, of course, but you get the idea. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 01:39, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

I'm going to say no to such a dynamic banner, mainly because any dynamic element is going to be confusing (Dynamics maps are not confusing because they need user interaction to change). What I was hoping was for a static banner made up of different images (montage). Andrewssi2 (talk) 02:08, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

I think one image is enough. I don't think we should be so concerned about representing everything that we represent nothing. I'd like the Potala Palace picture to stay in Tibet, but I don't like the current banner. It doesn't say "Asia" to me. Personally, I think something recognizably Buddhist (or something culturally Chinese) would represent Asia best. Chinese lanterns mentioned above, a statue (or rock carving) of Buddha (possibly a Hindu one), A temple complex (also mentioned above)... I think something from East or Southeast Asia are what feel most like "Asia" and "Asian travel" to most people. I don't really Wikipedia's montages. There is plenty of space within the article to showcase parts of Asia or cultural elements not referenced in the banner and indeed the pictures within the article right now feature a wide range of countries/sites. Just to add, a Chinese/Buddhist banner would enhance the "Asian" feel with the Taj Mahal there as the lede picture. These are two of the most influential cultures in the region. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 10:42, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

There are hundreds of millions of Muslims in Asia, and while China is the most populous country, India is almost as populous and more Asians live outside of both countries. I think a rice farm might be best to represent Asia in a way that could be in any of numerous countries. I think it's not a great idea to have a religious element to a representation of such a vast and varied continent. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:28, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
Rice terraces could possibly work. "Chinese" doesn't have to be Buddhist (or even a picture FROM China. The Chinese sphere of influence is more what I am thinking, although obviously China itself has the most of that as well), but there is no doubt that Buddhism has impacted Asia in pretty much every part EXCEPT the Middle East and has also produced a lot of what appeals to travelers considering "Asia" as a destination. I don't think people planning trips to Islamic Asia (predominantly the Middle East) actually think or say "I'm going to ASIA". That region tends to be more specified if it is the target destination. I don't see the number of Muslims being meaningful anyway. As I said, we HAVE to forego the idea that every country/culture can be represented in one picture. Rice terraces don't represent the Middle East any better than Buddhist temples, after all. If the concern is about "offending Muslims", I think that's a fabricated issue. I don't think most Muslims would see a sprawling temple or an ancient Buddhist carving/statue as "false" representations of the continent when that is a large draw (and Muslim travelers don't seem to have issues with visiting Buddhist temples themselves when traveling in East/Southeast Asia. Indeed they tend to have the same or similar images as anyone else), and I don't think we should be concerned with trying to appeal to any radicals who would demand Buddhist erasure. But again, I don't think Buddhist imagery or temples are the ONLY options. I do think they are AMONG the best options to represent the continent AND the sort of thing that is most appealing/intriguing to travelers fantasizing about "Asia" as a destination. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 13:00, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
I lived in Malaysia and took a couple of 2-week trips to Indonesia. As of 2010, Indonesia was the most populous Muslim country in the world. India was second (just the Muslim population of it), Pakistan third, Bangladesh fourth. You seem to conflate "Muslim" with "Middle Eastern". Stop. And in no way was I associating Chinese with Buddhist; I have also been to China twice and know very well that many religions and non-belief are represented there. You made that association - "I think something recognizably Buddhist (or something culturally Chinese) would represent Asia best" - and I pushed back, because what's best, as I said, is to represent Asia with a picture that is not identifiably from a single country, nor a single religion. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:35, 21 November 2018 (UTC)