Wikivoyage talk:Banner Expedition

Wine Regions of Ontario

This new article would benefit from a banner if someone would be so kind. I have proposed a picture at Talk:Wine Regions of Ontario. Thank you. Ground Zero (talk) 11:56, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

@SelfieCity: -- thank you, and happy America Day! Ground Zero (talk) 15:52, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

244 years old today! If you don't mind, I'm planning to move this discussion to the banner suggestions page, which is where pagebanner suggestions are typically discussed. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 16:51, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Banners on Wikidata

Putting Wikivoyage banners on Wikidata creates an issue that user:Ikan Kekek addresses here. Also, there is nothing that I could find on the project page about this, so it took me quite a bit of digging to figure out why I was unable to change the banner at San Gimignano. I think we should explain this so that users who are new to creating banners can learn about this aspect of the banner verse. Ground Zero (talk) 20:24, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

The banner on Wikidata is only supposed to override the default banners, either the general default banner or the continent specific defaults, airport default etc. This avoids the daft situation of adding a caption saying "Town Square" and the banner being replaced by a better picture of a bridge. We benefit when another language creates a banner for a placeand adds it to WD, and I regularly see this in reverse.

In the particular case of San Gimignano, the problem was including "File:" before the filename - as this is different from adding an image, maybe this syntax point should be made clearer. AlasdairW (talk) 21:01, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Should we change the advice provided? Right now we say:

"If only {{pagebanner}} is inserted, the default banner will display. Data will be fetched from Wikidata. To display a photo in the banner, add the name of the photo. E.g., {{pagebanner | picturename.jpg}}

I don't quite know how to express this, but here is a first attempt:

"We recommend inserting the banner on the Wikidata page corresponding to the article — in this way, the banner will be applied to the articles of most language versions of Wikivoyage:

"1. under "Statements", click on "+ add statement" and in the "Property" box, enter "page banner" ; and

"2. Add {{pagebanner}} at the top of the article.

"Alternatively, you can apply the banner only to English Wikivoyage by inserting it at the top of the article in this format: {{pagebanner | picturename.jpg}}".

Ground Zero (talk) 02:57, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

I think that banners should be added to both the article and to Wikidata:

• The Wikidata entry makes it available to other languages and also to other projects (I have seen banners used on WP articles in other languages). This is useful but other language banners may not be as good a fit as local ones, because article boundaries rarely overlap and good banners are chosen in the context of banners on neighbouring articles.
• The local addition is visible to other editors, and changes are easier to spot.
• Local use allows captions, which is useful if the picture is one of the see listings.

I would add that "File:" must be left off.

"If only {{pagebanner}} is inserted, data will be fetched from Wikidata and if there is none the default banner will display.. To display a photo in the banner, add the name of the photo. E.g., {{pagebanner | picturename.jpg}} Only include the filename, not the "File:" prefix. If there are any syntax errors then the Wikidata or default banner will be displayed."

I have also tried to make it clearer that the order of preference is local > Wikidata > default. AlasdairW (talk) 21:39, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

I've been thinking about this. I had been just placing banners directly in the articles, because I didn't know about the Wikidata functionality. That was pretty easy. At the request of another contributor, I've started taking the extra steps necessary to put the banner in Wikidata and to add a Wikivoyage banner category to the Wikimedia Commons file I've created. Adding the file also to the English Wikivoyage article is another step, which is redundant, because putting the banner in Wikidata achievesvyo goal of getting a banner for the English Wikivoyage article, with the added benefit if sharing it to other Wikivoyages. I don't have a problem if I add a banner to Wikidata, and another contributor wants to put a unique banner in the English Wikivoyage article later, but I don't think I need to be doing half the job for them:

# it may never happen.

# there are so many articles lacking banners that I think my time is better spent on adding banners than on redundant activity.

Ground Zero (talk) 03:39, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Page banner discussions

Swept in from the pub

I opened several page banner discussions. Please share your opinions in:

Talk:Santa Marta Talk:Delft Talk:Oslo/West Talk:Košice Talk:Parma Talk:Fulda Talk:Grodno Talk:Nyköping Talk:Palo Alto Talk:Thimphu Talk:Wildfires Talk:Door County Talk:United Arab Emirates Talk:Saint Petersburg/Center Talk:London/Covent Garden Talk:Uganda Talk:Moscow/Outskirts Talk:Agadir Talk:Nara Talk:Hiroshima Talk:Stockholm Arlanda Airport Talk:Yaoundé Talk:Iquitos Talk:Hobart

Talk:Santa Clarita Valley Talk:Syracuse (Italy) Talk:Caracas Talk:Bahrain Talk:Cuzco Talk:Qingdao Talk:Tombstone Talk:Trekking in Nepal Talk:Central Hungary Talk:Walt Disney World/Animal Kingdom Talk:Mount Whitney Talk:Badlands National Park Talk:Arches National Park Talk:Au pair Talk:Seoul/Yongsan Talk:Zoos Talk:Guided tours Talk:Archaeological sites Talk:Kitesurfing Talk:Earthquake safety Talk:Amusement parks Talk:Safaris Talk:Sochi Talk:Golan Heights

ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 14:33, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

I suppose you have to give quite some time for us to digest those. Stating an informed opinion requires more than a cursory glance, and for those interested in more than a few of these articles, one cannot expect them to engage in all these discussions at once. –LPfi (talk) 15:05, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Please take your time to review all these suggestions and respond according to your best judgement. Those alternative banners took me a long while to find and create (Probably a lot longer than it would take most Wikivoyagers to review). ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 16:19, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

What is a reasonable time for discussion? Two weeks? One month? Ground Zero (talk) 00:59, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

From what I recall, two weeks is a reasonable time for a consensus to be formed in such a discussion, and a decision to be made based on that consensus (unless of course the discussion keeps on going after that). Please correct me if I'm wrong about this. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 11:29, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

The problem here is that there are so many of these discussions, that people interested in them might not have time to engage in all of them, or would have to postpone other work to do so. I think it would have been better to make half a dozen suggestions or so at a time, to concentrate comments on such a small batch at a time. Now people might be looking at different ones. I'd suggest you look whether there are different participants in different discussions and post an update about a few where there seems to be consensus, to ask for comments specifically for those, and then, later ask for comments on a batch with few participants. –LPfi (talk) 12:15, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

We're talking about changing some page banners, not about changing policy. I don't think that ויקיג'אנקי should spend a bunch of time managing a process here. The articles are posted. Those who want to participate can do so. I agree that two weeks is sufficient time. Let's not get bogged down in process here. There is other work to do. Ground Zero (talk) 12:40, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

OK. –LPfi (talk) 12:45, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ It has been about two weeks now, and the discussion on these has wound down. Does anyone want more time to consider these? @LPfi:? or should we close the discussions and post the new banners where there is consensus to do so? Ground Zero (talk) 13:42, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Indeed it has been more than two weeks now. As such, I've made the changes based on what the majority decided. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 01:56, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Australian articles

I have also opened up a few discussions. I'd love to hear your opinions on this

Talk:Adelaide-Melbourne by car Talk:Katoomba Talk:Sydney to Brisbane by car

Talk:Moree (New South Wales) Talk:Parkes

Thanks, SHB2000 (talk) 10:22, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Please also share your opinions in Talk:Strzelecki Track as well. SHB2000 (talk) 10:24, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

One more new banner - 27 March 2021

• Talk:Great Barrier Island Ground Zero (talk) 02:32, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
• And more views on the proposed banners for Talk:Stockholm Arlanda Airport would be appreciated. Ground Zero (talk) 16:18, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Can someone create a banner for me

I recently started working on the New golden Route and want to get it to guide status but it lacks a custom banner, could someone make a banner for it thank you! Tai123.123 (talk) 23:38, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Could you please suggest some pictures that could be turned into banners? --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 00:08, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

I'd say pick one of the photos listed on the article, Thank you! Tai123.123 (talk) 00:25, 8 August 2021 (UTC) Tai123.123 (talk) 00:27, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Option 1

How's this banner? --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 00:52, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

I wish that the image had more color contrast but the view is beautiful. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 00:53, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

I think it is nice but I also believe it lacks contrast along with that Mt. Tsurugi is not a major stop, if you want to pick a mountain Tateyama and Hakusan may be better something like Kenroku-en could provide a nice banner also Tai123.123 (talk) 04:30, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

I' decided to make this one and implement but thank you for the help, if you feel there are flaws with it please tell me Tai123.123 (talk) 15:34, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Beautiful! This is where local knowledge is so useful. Thanks for finding this picture. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 15:59, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Do you think we should switch the current Kanazawa banner with this one. (Sorry for long time to respond) Tai123.123 (talk) 16:34, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Recommended banner image size

Hello! I would update the size recco to at least 2800x400 @ 72dpi. Thanks! --ButteBag (talk) 12:53, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

72dpi? 2800/72=38. With a 16:9 ratio that means 44 inch. I hope people aren't commonly using that kind of computer screens. Or printing our guides on A0 paper!

More seriously, do we need updating? Are people really using web browser windows of more than 1920px (including borders, left margin etc.)? What a waste of screen real estate! Is that for accommodating the advertisements? And web sites add white space at the margins to fill up the width :-(

To get 2100px horizontally you normally need 4 Mpx photos, 2800 px requires 6 Mpx. That rules out many photos taken with older cameras. Of course this is the recommended width. I hope minimum width will stay 1800px.

–LPfi (talk) 16:02, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Yeah this is basically a request to increase the filesize of banner images when possible. The current ref is 2100x300. Check out pixel display density if you're curious. Banners get cropped pretty aggressively on mobile, where px density is highest, so they often look bad. To me anyway. ButteBag (talk) 14:33, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Update banner aspect ratio

I imagine this is like touching the third rail, but I would recommend a different aspect ratio for banners. 7:1 is a little extreme. I'm thinking something like 5:1 would be a bit more reasonable. I'm using the greatly improved 2022 skin, and have customized the styles like so. I already made these updates so I'm happy. I do believe this is an improvement, so here it is if someone else wants to take up the fight. Thanks! --ButteBag (talk) 13:01, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Aargh! I got the Vector 2022 skin on a project I seldom visit. I like narrow windows, to be able to manage several at a time. That skin used the first screenful and half for the left margin links, only scrolling down I got to the first lines of content. What a beautiful layout that was :-( It also wastes half the window width at the top for whitespace. Don't know what they have been thinking. No answer to my enquiry on Mediawiki. I switched to Monobook also there.

To the point. The 7:1 is really extreme, but with wide windows the banners are usually nice. They don't take too much real estate, and as they make up the bulk of transfer requirements, making them larger (the width would remain fixed) means using more bandwidth. The less extreme ratio would make finding suitable images easier, but do we need that? Instead of enlarging the lead image, we could have a larger image in the first section (often Understand).

–LPfi (talk) 16:21, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Yep, changing the theme of the site will create many Very Irritated People. IMHO using the Vector 2022 theme the default banner becomes too short to communicate anything much of value. ButteBag (talk) 14:39, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Is that because of a max width of the content box, set by new CSS? Not having screen-wide text lines absolutely makes sense, but I understand the consequence for the banner: when I want to really see it, I maximise the window, but if that doesn't help with the new Vector ... Then we need a banner that actually looks good at moderate window width. –LPfi (talk) 16:20, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Underscores

Re: this edit: When do we ever use underscores in titles on this site? I'd like to restore the deleted text. Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:45, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

This was about filenames, and Mediawiki makes no distinction between spaces and underscores: File:Pagebanner default.jpg and File:Pagebanner_default.jpg are the same file. On one's own computer underscores are useful (especially on Unix/Linux, where blanks separate the arguments of a command line), and the filename on Commons will be the same regardless of what you used. We shouldn't use underscores in the articles, as they are unnecessary clutter, but that's easy copy editing that the uploader doesn't need to worry about. I left the "separate words with single spaces", which covers all kind of weirdness and should suffice. –LPfi (talk) 16:13, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Do spaces in article titles get represented as underscores in Unix and Linux? Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:48, 31 August 2022 (UTC)