Wikivoyage talk:Non-compliant redistribution

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Third-party infringements based on pre-Wikivoyage WT content[edit]

Various sites had copied content without attribution from WT before the en.Wikivoyage fork of 2012; these are part of the history of that project, archived at Wikivoyage talk:Non-compliant redistribution/Pre-2012 WT non-compliant redistribution.

Wikitravel[edit]

Uses Wikivoyage content without attributing properly. --Saqib (talk) 17:38, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

I'm sure you're right, Saqib, especially as they have automated systems in place to prevent any mention of the word "wikivoyage" either in plain text or as part of an URL. However, if you are really determined to provide attribution, it can still be provided in edit summaries without these filters kicking in, so may we put some specific diffs here, please? Not because I don't believe you but because it would be good to have the evidence readily available... --W. Frankemailtalk 21:39, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
For instance, see Karachi article on WT. --Saqib (talk) 06:33, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
In that article it is pretty clear that the content of the Eat section is just reworked Wikivoyage content. Compare:
Karachi has a large number of restaurants from fast food, fast casual, casual dining to fine dining as well several fantastic upmarket restaurants, which serve a huge and wide variety of both local and international cuisines such as (Italian, Chinese, Japanese, Arab, Korean, South Indian, etc.). The beauty of the food in Karachi is that you will probably find a cuisine for every taste. On the other hand, one can easily find a franchise of an international fast food outlets such as KFC ☎ +92 21 111 532532, McDonalds ☎ +92 21 111 244622, Subway ☎ +92 21 586-8907, Papa Johns ☎ +92 21 585-3374, Mr Cod ☎ +92 21 535-0746, Henny's ☎ +92 21 5867151, +92 21 5864023 (09:00-23:00), Pizza Hut ☎ +92 21 111 241-241, Domino's ☎ +92 21 111 366-466, Penny Pizza ☎ +92 21 34991029. Wikivoyage
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Karachi has several fantastic upscale restaurants, which serve a huge variety of cuisines. Most of the upper-end restaurants are either located within one of the major hotels in the city (the Sheraton, the Pearl Continental and Avari Towers), or in malls such as Dolmen, Ocean and Atrium or in the trendy shopping district of Zamzama in Defence. One can also easily find a franchise of KFC ☎ +92 21 111 -532-532, McDonalds ☎ +92 21 111 244-622, Subway ☎ +92 21 586-8907, Papa Johns (Clifton) ☎ +92 21 585-3374, Mr Cod ☎ +92 21 535-0746, Henny's ☎ +92 21 5867151, +92 21 5864023 9a-11p), Pizza Hut ☎ +92 21 111 241-241, Domino's ☎ +92 21 111 366-466 and Dunkin Donuts ☎ +92 21 111 366-887. The beauty of the food in Karachi is that you will probably find cuisine for every taste. You can order food and reserve tables at the famous restaurants through EatOye [92]. Wikitravel
I've bolded the sections that are identical. It turns out that the text I highlighted here actually originated on Wikitravel. See this revision and this revision. Moral of the story, I agree with W. Frank, definitely needs concrete proof before doing anything. Zellfaze (talk) 17:46, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
WT is problematic; they copied the pagebanner from us. This issue was raised in the pub a few months ago. No idea if anything was done. K7L (talk) 13:17, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

livingintravel.ru[edit]

(swept from Wikivoyage:Travellers' pub#Da russkies stole Crimea):

http://wiki.livingintravel.ru/wiki/Crimea is a direct rip-off of our Crimea article.

There is one revision (12:06, 21 мая 2014‎) in ?action=history and no proper attribution. (The corresponding edit here is 09:06 UTC, 21 May 2014‎.) They've basically posted an entire database dump, without the revision history. No mention of CC-BY-SA, no edit history other than the one last revision as of whenever they plagiarised this.

Their "privacy" link points to Wikimedia's privacy policy and the "disclaimer" points to en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Disclaimer (a redlink, they treat the Wikivoyage: prefix as an interwiki link instead of project space?).

Are we keeping track of these or protesting to the United Nations or something? Russia shouldn't be able to just march in and steal Crimea from us.

I know WP had a "Wikipedia:Forks and mirrors" that was tracking this sort of stuff, do we? K7L (talk) 14:06, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Wikivoyage:List of content re-users and info at Wikivoyage:Non-compliant redistribution. Nurg (talk) 09:46, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. It looks like the list is buried on the talk page, Wikivoyage talk:Non-compliant redistribution, for some reason? K7L (talk) 13:47, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Looking at stuff like this they seem to have just copied WV content at some past point in time and not followed our updates since. There seems to be no attribution in any place and as I don't speak Russian I cannot communicate with whoever is behind this site... If they did point back to us, they'd do no harm, right? Hobbitschuster (talk) 15:16, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

As long as the pointers were systematic -- that is, on every article, pointing directly to our article or article history. Powers (talk) 01:14, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Solarnavigator.net[edit]

The site solarnavigator.net seems to be copying (at least one) WV article(s), e.g. compare this page about Eastbourne, and our article about Eastbourne. Also see this comparison of the pages. The page says at the bottom "This website is Copyright © 1999 & 2015." with no attribution or anything.  Seagull123  Φ  18:10, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Tourist Inspiration[edit]

There seems to be large scale copying from Wikivoyage over to this site, with no attribution (which is required by our CC Licence). In fact, pages are marked as © Tourist Inspiration, which is outrageous.

This was originally brought to light by Traveler100, who posted on the pub. The example link Traveler provided has content copied from Hamamatsu. My own searches have, within a few minutes, found content copied from articles as diverse as Boston/Downtown ([1]), various district articles of Paris (e.g. Paris/5th arrondissement) ([2]) and Sheffield ([3]).

Note that I am not referring to the main attraction at the top of each page; they seem to be Tourist Inspiration original content. The copied content is further down the page, under "Local Knowledge".

Reading the project page, we now have two options: write to Tourist Inspiration ourselves, or email legal@wikimedia.org for help from the Wikimedia legal team. Given the apparent extent of the copyright violation, it will be extremely difficult for us to find every single example on the Tourist Inspiration website, so I think we should involve the Wikimedia legal team even if we decide to write to TI ourselves. What are others' thoughts on this? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 11:33, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

If they are willing to help, that is certainly useful. I think we need a couple of articles where somebody still active here has contributed clearly above the threshold of originality and is prepared to go forward, so that there is no doubt about the copyright ownership. If Touristinspiration is willing to negotiate, I suppose we'll have a solution where they agree to conform to the licence, withdraw the content or pay money. The latter means they have to pay to everyone stepping forward with copyright claims also in the future, which hardly is an attractive solution for them. --LPfi (talk) 14:22, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
Thank you for your input. I have been the most prolific contributor for Sheffield for a couple of years, but whether the copied content is mostly my work, I couldn't say. I have left messages on the talk pages of the articles we know have been affected, plus on Talk:Boston and Talk:Paris, so hopefully the authors will come forward.
By far the easiest thing for Touristinspiration to do would be simply to credit Wikivoyage and make their content available under a similar CC Licence to our own. Whether they will do so willingly is another matter entirely... --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 15:13, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
Wouldn't just telling them that we'll be forced to inform our legal team if they don't get to us be enough for the beginning? Hobbitschuster (talk) 17:53, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
Perhaps, but assuming I've understood your meaning, opening negotiations with a threat (that we may not be able to follow through with) is not a great way to start and could backfire on us. If they respond negatively to our first communication, or ignore it altogether, then we can consider letting them know we'll be contacting WM legal. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 18:52, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
The so called Eat and Drink sections they have seem like odd mashups including Buy listings. Overall, the page looks just like some kind of machine-generated directory of random businesses and every entry seems to have a section of "Local knowledge" with unattributed Wikivoyage content brought over by some bot. I have a feeling the people behind the site might not even know (and don't care) what exactly their articles/entries contain. Therefore, I wouldn't be surprised if they wouldn't react in any way to what we write to them. ϒpsilon (talk) 19:43, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
Contact address is a rental post box in LA and domain registered via WHOISGUARD Panama so they are not wanting to publicise who they are. --Traveler100 (talk) 19:56, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Still waiting for at least one prolific contributor to the Boston and Paris articles to show up. The other option would be if anyone already taking part in this discussion would be willing to check Tourist Inspiration for their own content and work on an email with me to send to TI. Any volunteers to find out if your contributions have been stolen? :-) I guess anyone involved in sending an email will also have to be willing to use their real name, so it's understandable if some of you may be reluctant. ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 10:21, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Email[edit]

Okay, so I've drafted an email to send to Tourist Inspiration. Please take a look, comment above the line, and make any amendments you wish to the email itself. I am no expert in these matters, and am not really au fait with copyright law, legal language, etc, so any input and advice would be much appreciated. At some point, I will also be contacting WMF:Legal. Thanks, ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 14:21, 7 November 2017 (UTC)



To whom it may concern,

I am writing to inform you that some of your content is in breach of copyright. There is content on pages of Tourist Inspiration which has been copied from Wikivoyage (https://en.wikivoyage.org/) without crediting the original authors. Wikivoyage is a free wiki-style travel guide that is run by the Wikimedia Foundation (https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Home), but its content is owned by the authors of Wikivoyage.

Under Wikivoyage's Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported Licence (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_3.0_Unported_License), anyone can copy, use or modify content from Wikivoyage; however the copied / used / modified content must be attributed to its original authors (in this case the URL of the relevant Wikivoyage article is sufficient), and the content must also be freely available under a licence which is compatible with the original CC-Licence.

Tourist Inspiration is currently in breach of both of these terms:

  • There is no indication on pages with copied content that said content originates on Wikivoyage.
  • Pages with copied content are marked © Tourist Inspiration, where there should be text along the lines of "Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License" with a link to a page showing the licence in full, for example: https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ This is to inform other people of their lawful right to copy, use or modify the the CC-Licensed content. Furthermore, use of the copyright symbol implies that Tourist Inspiration is the sole author of all content on a given page, which is untrue.

A few examples of Wikivoyage content copied onto Tourist Inspiration follow. The copied content can be found under the heading "Local Knowledge" on each of the referenced pages:

In my capacity as one of the main authors (https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:ThunderingTyphoons!) of both the Sheffield and Farnborough Wikivoyage articles, I request that you comply immediately with the terms of the CC-Licence. You can do this either by correctly attributing the content to the Wikivoyage articles in question, or by deleting the copied content from Tourist Inspiration. I also ask that you review the rest of Tourist Inspiration to make sure that all content copied from Wikivoyage is either appropriately attributed or deleted.

Please note that I will also be informing the Legal Team of the Wikimedia Foundation (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Legal) of the presence of copied content on your website, and will pass on evidence of all such material I am aware of, regardless of whether I am the original author or not.

Yours faithfully,

James Dawkins

(still room for other names and the use of "we" rather than "I"!)