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Proposed Afrotour project by Free Knowledge Africa Group[edit]

Swept in from the pub

Greetings

Free Knowledge Africa is a group that seek to promote free knowledge and wikimedia projects by Africans, in travel, geography, and cultural heritage.

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Free_Knowledge_Africa

We intend to launch a project/contest that will encourage active participation and contributions to the English wikivoyage from Africans and towards African travel content for towns, cities and countries.

We seek your partnerships and support towards achieving this.

We look forward to a favorable response from you.

Thank you. Timmylegend (talk) 16:00, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

@Timmylegend: That sounds like a great initiative. What support can we offer to help you make it a success? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 16:18, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
@ThunderingTyphoons!: We would appreciate it if case studies from past projects can be shared as well as learning modules and putting up a banner. Timmylegend (talk) 17:16, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
This is exciting! Our coverage of Africa needs a lot of improvement. Just quickly on banners, for now: Information about banners is at Wikivoyage:Banner Expedition and Wikivoyage:Banners. If a page has no custom banner (banner with a photo) on it, any banner with the right dimensions is welcome and can be added without a discussion. If someone wants to suggest a different banner for an article that already has one, a proposal should be made on the article's talk page with thumbnails of the existing and proposed new banners, so that we can discuss and reach a consensus on which one to use. Ikan Kekek (talk)
I assumed "putting up a banner" meant making a cross-wiki advert, like we did for the Editathon a couple of years ago, but I could be wrong. Not sure how easy it is to get one of those, but it's certainly possible.
As far as I know, we don't have any learning modules as such, but there are extensive help pages already and if the group needed a specific portal gathering the relevant how-tos in a single place, I'm sure we could manage that. I wouldn't have thought you would need a comprehensive knowledge of policies and style norms, because there are plenty of Wikivoyagers on recent-change patrol who can 'tidy up' in the wake of your groups' (hopefully copious) additions, but information on how/whether to start a new article, where to put certain information, what the basic layout of an article should look like, etc. would presumably be very useful.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 18:01, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
(edit conflict) For reference: the "inter-wiki banners" are called central notices and can be requested here; I haven't looked into the process in any detail.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 18:14, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
Your contributions are definitely welcome! As others have said, Africa is a part of the world where there's certainly room for improvement. Also, if contributors don't feel like reading through policies and style guides, they can have a look at (good) existing articles instead to see what information goes where and how it should be formatted. For example the articles nominated at Wikivoyage:Destination of the month candidates are good examples. Ypsilon (talk) 18:10, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
And I hope we can improve our coverage of African history, in particular sub-Saharan African history. I have been an advocate of promoting historical sites in Africa, because many people have a misconception that sub-Saharan Africa is good only for safaris, and most non-Africans are unaware that there are pre-colonial cities in sub-Saharan Africa. Unfortunately, I do not have the expertise to do it myself. With this project, hopefully someone can start an article along the lines of Historical sites in Africa. The dog2 (talk) 18:41, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
This is a great idea. Timmylegend, we've had some good projects in the past. It's really helpful to remind us when it starts, so we can be on the look out to help newcomers. Are you expecting (mostly) existing Wikipedia editors to participate? If so, then Wikivoyage:Welcome, Wikipedians might be a good starting point. WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:29, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
  • As for making page banners (I see other types of banners were mentioned), I could contribute in that area. I did a couple for Namibia in the past and could continue, though in the DRC I found it difficult to find pagebanner images. But there would be many places and countries and I'm sure I could find some where there is a suitable picture that no-one has used for a pagebanner yet. After all Wikimedia Commons is always growing! --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 21:32, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
  • I support having an edit-a-thon. It drums up a lot of editing interest over a short period of time. OhanaUnitedTalk page 18:50, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Wikivoyage:Africa Expedition[edit]

I've started a draft of an Africa Expedition page, which could be a starting point for participants in this project. I think it is best to keep it brief, and high-level so that it does not overwhelm new contributors. I used Wikivoyage:India Expedition as a starting point, but that page goes into a lot of detail. It would be a great resource for experienced contributors, but way too much information for newbies. (We should also avoid spending too much time working up a "wish list" of everything we'd like to see as that takes time away from actually improving articles.) The page is already long. What could we take out to make this a better starting point for new contributors?

Timmylegend: do you think this would be useful? How can it be better? Ground Zero (talk) 22:13, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

(Before I finished the draft in my workspace, this expedition attracted another member, which indicates that Wikivoyagers are eager to support this project. Ground Zero (talk) 21:58, 4 January 2021 (UTC))
Thanks for taking the initiative to create that page! I made a few edits. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:43, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
Quick question: What would make me a project supporter? Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:49, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
It's a very exclusive inner circle of important contributors, i.e., those who add their names to the list. Ground Zero (talk) 22:54, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
I think it would be a great way to monitor the growth and progress of contributions, while also providing a guide to newbies. Although it could be difficult when the page is bulky. Africa is a big continent with over 50 countries, I believe if shared with the various African communities it could be easily achieved. Maybe a contest could also help in driving contributions, what do you think? Timmylegend (talk) 08:17, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
Ground Zero, I meant what I needed to do to be a project supporter, but someone (perhaps you) made an edit explaining that. Timmylegend, if you think a contest could help, I suppose we could take a vote on which 5 people made the best contributions or something. Dunno. How about giving everyone a prize of 10 years' free membership to Wikivoyage, with an option of 10 more years after that... ;-) Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:16, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
Yes, I did. I've moved the page from my draft to the main space now. Ground Zero (talk) 12:52, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
@Timmylegend: Sure, please, get all the other African communities involved if you can. I understand that Africa is a very big and diverse place, but the great thing about an online travel guide like this is if an article gets too long, we can always create spin-off articles to move some of that information to. In the example I mentioned, we can have an umbrella article about African history, but if we have a contributor who is an expert on the Benin Kingdom for instance, we can always create a separate Benin Kingdom article, and leave a cursory and brief summary in the umbrella African history article with a link to the new article. The dog2 (talk) 15:45, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
How can I help even though I have never been to Africa? (It's on my to-do list once pandemic is over) OhanaUnitedTalk page 06:12, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
Copy edit and fix any formatting that doesn't conform to standard Wikivoyage style. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:25, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
Try adding lat/long coordinates. Major attractions should be fairly easy to locate (and may already be in Wikidata). WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:06, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

This is a cool idea ! Anthere (talk) 17:29, 7 January 2021 (UTC) ──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── So are we doing an edit-a-thon so that we can track how many pages and images have been added? OhanaUnitedTalk page 22:39, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Unfortunately, our African friends seem to have lost interest, but I would participate if you want to set something up. Ground Zero (talk) 23:27, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
@OhanaUnited: an edit-a-thon is a great idea. As our core editing base doesn't have many Africa experts, we would need to reach out to WMF, get editors interested in improving African content to edit Wikivoyage while the established editors can mentor them on style and formatting. Gizza (roam) 00:22, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
We really need a lot better coverage of Africa, but it would be good to know why the Expedition petered out after a short while. Timmylegend, do you have any thoughts on that, and on how we should best go about getting more sustained and broader contributions? Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:06, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
A worthy cause to improve our coverage of an all-too-neglected continent. I can't commit 100%, but I'll try my hand at improving listings in capital/major cities in Lusophone nations. I've already made some updates on Luanda. --Nelson Ricardo (talk) 02:35, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
Ground Zero Ikan Kekek, We are still very much interested in improving the gap on African content on the English Wikivoyage, however as I stated on the Wikivoyage:Africa Expedition discussion page that we would be starting with Nigerian towns and cities as a pilot phase later this year, pending the approval of a grant to organize a contest. As that seems like a more sustainable strategy and to increase the number of potential editors. Apologies for the long silence. Timmylegend (talk) 03:21, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
@Timmylegend: There is no need to apologise. We are volunteers, and everyone contributes according to their own schedule. I am very glad to hear that there is still interest amongst our Nigerian friends,and look forward to seeing Nigerian articles expanded when you get organised. And we will be here to assist you. Best regards, Ground Zero (talk) 23:09, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
@Timmylegend: I am from Ghana which shares boundaries with Nigeria. It would be very much appreciated if the intended contest about the Nigerian towns could be stretched a little further to Ghana so we could also write about some of the Ghanaian towns to improve on wikivoyage Africa. Alhassan Mohammed Awal (talk) 10:54, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Moving forward[edit]

Since our local experts so far are all from Nigeria, I think would should take advantage of their knowledge by improving some articles about Nigerian destinations. I have added a banner and some pictures to Benin City to get things started. @Timmylegend, James Moore200, Haylad: is there anything you can add to this article? Thanks. Ground Zero (talk) 22:04, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Yes, we would definitely start with Nigerian towns and cities. Timmylegend (talk) 19:48, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

I started to structure Lagos with districts. It's a huge city so districts are needed. I have created Lagos/Lagos Island and added sights. Perhaps the next collaboration could be Lagos/Victoria Island. --Jonte-- (talk) 09:28, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure the "history" section of the Africa article itself has some blind spots. If someone can fill them in, giving them due weight, that'd be great, too Hobbitschuster (talk) 09:32, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

I wish to become the first Ghanaian wikivoyage expert contributing much to improving wikivoyage Africa. I am happy all the African experts are Nigerians. My country Ghana shares boundaries with Nigeria and the northern part of Ghana where I come from has it in history that our ancestors actually migrated from Zamfara in northern Nigeria to our current location. Wish to be invited to take part in any project that shall be undertaken. Get me along User: Timmylegend Alhassan Mohammed Awal (talk) 11:03, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Northern Ghana[edit]

I can't wait to tell the stories about some interesting places in Ghana, especially the northern part of Ghana. The Dagbani wikipedia has active contributors who will be ready to take some tours around the historic and interesting places around northern Ghana in order to take photos and upload them on Wikipedia Commons for use in developing articles about them. A guide to sourcing a grant or funding to embark on the photo walk is welcomed. Nice meeting you all wikivoyagers and hoping to learn and start contributing to wikivoyage stuff as soon as possible through your guidance. Alhassan Mohammed Awal (talk) 10:15, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Looking forward for these new article. Was planning to go to Ghana, Rwanda and Zambia last year but couldn't go due to Covid. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 11:12, 21 April 2021 (UTC)