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Alert image[edit source]

Just double-checking that this image really is licensed as ccbysa... Narya, did you create this image yourself, or can you provide a link to the source? Thank you! – (WT-en) cacahuate talk 12:53, 28 June 2007 (EDT)

It's on Wikipedia as dual-licensed GFDL/CC by-sa: [1] (WT-en) Jpatokal 17:19, 28 June 2007 (EDT)

funky layout[edit source]

I removed a <br> tag today, on country articles it was forcing the intro text below the quickbar when this template was used (or at least on Somalia it was). If I'm missing something and this was necessary for something else, let me know – (WT-en) cacahuate talk 18:42, 28 June 2008 (EDT)

Out-of-date Warningboxes[edit source]

Swept in from the pub

Is it possible to get a list of all pages with warningboxes? It would be really helpful in keeping them up-to date. I found a couple that were several months past the time when they mattered. If not, maybe someone could create a bot to do this? (WT-en) AHeneen 21:15, 20 May 2009 (EDT)

I think you're looking for Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Warningbox. (WT-en) LtPowers 21:32, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
Thank You! (WT-en) AHeneen 02:07, 21 May 2009 (EDT)
I've gone through all of the links to edit, move, remove, or turn them into something else. The only one I didn't know what to do with was Bangkok/Khao San Road. Could someone familiar with the region please do something appropriate with the two unsightly warning boxes at the end? (WT-en) AHeneen 15:08, 21 May 2009 (EDT)

Warning boxes[edit source]

swept in from pub: [[Image:Iraqchrome.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Screenshot of Iraq in Chrome]] [[Image:IraqIE8.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Screenshot of same Iraq page in IE8]] I am asking this here as I can't think where else is appropriate. Can all users please not place warning boxes at the top of a country article, and when you see one there please move it. It completely messes up the page layout in IE, leaving huge amounts of white space in the article. The best alternative place for warnings about travel to a country are the Get in section. IE's market share is dropping (unsuprisingly), but it still accounts for some 60% of all page loads in the world, so we must take this into account. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 10:29, 22 March 2010 (EDT)

Can you give an example? The box ought to be able to be coded to avoid any such layout issues. (WT-en) LtPowers 16:29, 22 March 2010 (EDT)
Iraq and Niger. Huge whitespace at the top in IE, fine in Chrome and Firefox. As I see these problems I move the box. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 22:53, 22 March 2010 (EDT)
Both look fine to me in IE 8. (WT-en) LtPowers 08:54, 23 March 2010 (EDT)
Then I guess your IE8 is different to mine (see right).
When I use IE8, I see the same as LtPowers. However, when I use the IE Tab Classic plugin of Google Chrome, I get the same result as Burmesedays. Weird. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 09:53, 23 March 2010 (EDT)
You get no whitespace in IE8? That is wierd. I tried IE on four different office machines today and at home, all with the same ugly result. I almost never use IE to be honest as it just isn't very good, but figured this must be a widespread problem. There are no issues at all with Chrome, Firefox or Safari.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 09:58, 23 March 2010 (EDT)
I have the same result as LtPowers and so far no issues with IE8. Only when guys try to highlight phone number with this skype tag it gets pretty messy... (WT-en) jan 14:06, 23 March 2010 (EDT)

I think I might have isolated the issue. With IE8 in Windows XP, there is a white space problem. IE8 in Windows 7, no such problem. I would be grateful if another user could confirm that. If that is the case, then my request stands as we cannot limit pages to look correct in Windows 7 only.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 22:03, 23 March 2010 (EDT)

Nope, I'm running XP. (WT-en) LtPowers 22:17, 23 March 2010 (EDT)
Damn!. In which case, it remains a most mysterious problem.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 22:49, 23 March 2010 (EDT)

I see the problem from time to time using Firefox 3.5 in XP, but it doesn't occur every time there is a warningbox. Keep in mind that the screenshot is copyrighted (the IE interface is actually what's copyrighted) and should not be uploaded to Wikivoyage...delete it soon. (WT-en) AHeneen 03:07, 29 March 2010 (EDT)

Overuse of warningboxes[edit source]

The current guideline for warning boxes is that they are for "non-obvious dangers to life and limb", and several examples are provided on the template page for when they should be used. We currently seem to be vastly overusing this template - warnings about minors not being able to book hotels in Vegas is just one of many examples that don't follow the guidance provided.

It would be helpful if editors could review existing uses of this template and trim those that are excessive, but I'm also wondering if we need another template for things like Walt Disney World#Ride safety - ride safety at Disney World is clearly not a "non-obvious danger to life and limb" (there are warnings at every ride, and operators won't let you on if you don't meet height restrictions) but it might still be helpful to have something like an alert box to call out items that are important and worth highlighting, but not life-threatening. Such a template should also be less eye-catching (along the lines of Template:Disclaimerbox), as the current warningbox is meant to grab attention immediately. Thoughts? -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 06:47, 21 October 2010 (EDT)

Template:Infobox should cover most of those situations, certainly for local quirks like Vegas hotel booking. I think there's probably room for an intermediate step between the two, for urgent but non-life-threatening information — perhaps a Template:Cautionbox, with a yellow diamond icon — but I'm not sure how useful it would be for short-term events like those from Travel news. As your cleanup of the warningboxes makes clear, we're not always good at removing "temporary" warnings! — (WT-en) D. Guillaime 13:32, 21 October 2010 (EDT)
It looks like people are using Template:Warningbox and Template:Disclaimerbox when they want a full-page-width box to call out interesting or important information, such as in the Walt Disney World#Ride safety case. Template:Infobox is meant for this type of info, but it aligns to the right, so it might be worthwhile creating one more template that is more general and less eye-catching than the warning box, and not meant for editorial messages like the disclaimer box, to support this use case. Does anyone know if Wikipedia has already created anything similar? It might help to avoid confusion if we follow their lead. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 10:44, 23 October 2010 (EDT)
I previously raised a similar concern at Template talk:Disclaimerbox. (WT-en) LtPowers 21:24, 3 March 2011 (EST)

State Department Travel Warning Template[edit source]

A discuss at Talk:Uzbekistan#Warning box has me wondering if it makes sense to create a new template specifically for State Department travel warnings ("Template:StateDeptWarning"?). We frequently get contributions from people adding such warnings using the warning box template, but in many cases that seems extreme. For example, there is currently a State Department warning about travel to Mexico, despite the fact that it's only a handful of northern states that are of particular concern. I'm thinking that a new template would have the following advantage:

  • If could be made less prominent than the current template, which is very in-your-face.
  • It could link to the specific warning at the State Department web site, providing more information for those who want it and also providing a way for those without local knowledge to quickly determine if the warning has passed and can be removed.
  • It could be limited to inclusion in the "Stay safe" section of articles.
  • It would (hopefully) deter more edits like this one, which seem overly alarmist, look terrible, and (IMHO) detract from the article's credibility.

Thoughts? Barring objection I'd like to try putting something together for further consideration. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 19:18, 20 May 2011 (EDT)

For reference, the list of current State Department travel advisories can be found at http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/tw/tw_1764.html. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 19:20, 20 May 2011 (EDT)
It's not a bad idea, but I wonder why we should favor the U.S. State Dept's warnings over other nations'. (WT-en) LtPowers 21:04, 20 May 2011 (EDT)
Is there any particular source you have in mind? As an American I'm obviously more familiar with the US travel warnings, but if there's a better source, or other relevant sources, then there's no reason why they couldn't be used. The only limiting criteria that I would suggest is that any source we use should have warnings that aren't overly broad and that are removed when no longer relevant. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 21:30, 20 May 2011 (EDT)
I don't know any specifics; I just assume that other countries issue travel advisories for their own citizens, just as the U.S. does for theirs. (WT-en) LtPowers 11:29, 21 May 2011 (EDT)
I can't say whose advisories are best, but various foreign ministries put them out. Just looking at some English-speaking countries, here are links to advisories from the British, Canadian, Australian, and Kiwi governments:

http://www.fco.gov.uk/en/travel-and-living-abroad/travel-advice-by-country/

http://www.voyage.gc.ca/countries_pays/updates_mise-a-jour-eng.asp

http://www.smartraveller.gov.au/

http://www.safetravel.govt.nz/

(WT-en) Ikan Kekek 12:09, 21 May 2011 (EDT)

Rather than creating a new template, I think it'd be best just to take it case-by-case. I don't think there's any rule that states that a warningbox cannot be placed in the "Stay Safe" section of the country article, so in cases similar to your Mexico example, it might be better to put it down there so that dangerous areas can be pinpointed but the entire nation is not given the Beware Scare that you feel when it's at the top. An example of a regional issue that does deserve to be at the top of the country article would be Japan. With all the media coverage and the general public's lack of knowledge regarding the size of the country and how nuclear radiation works, it was/is useful to have info about it displayed prominantly at the top. If we use the Japanese advisory as our standard, we can just put a travel warning on every nation's page (except Japan)! haha (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 12:43, 21 May 2011 (EDT)

Apologies to (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus, I was in the process of creating the template when the new comment was added - for discussion purposes it can be viewed at Mexico#Stay safe. I agree that the warning box should continue to be used for its original intent: "non-obvious dangers to life and limb". My thought with this new template is that it provides a way of presenting official government warnings without beating users across the head with them, and also offers fields to force users to include a source and issue date. If there isn't agreement that the new template is beneficial then I wouldn't oppose deletion, but I do feel that it serves a purpose and provides a good alternative to some questionable warnings such as the current box on Uzbekistan#Stay safe. Thoughts? -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 13:37, 21 May 2011 (EDT)
It's not so much a question of "is it useful" but rather "which country's advisories do we post?" All of them? The box you put up, for example, simply says "a travel advisory has been issued" without saying who issued it and to whom it applies. (Obviously, in this case, it applies to anyone even though the U.S. issued the advisory, but many of the State Department's recommendations are specific to American citizens.) (WT-en) LtPowers 22:46, 21 May 2011 (EDT)
I would say that any country's travel advisory that has a significant warning should be either posted or summarized. It should be noted who the travel advisory is from, though. (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 14:28, 22 May 2011 (EDT)
The goal with this template was basically to provide a standardized way of handling the seemingly good-faith edits from people who (in the past) have noted that there are warnings from foreign governments about a certain destination. Obviously it would be best if these warnings were broadly applicable, and in such cases I would suspect that multiple governments would issue the same warnings which is why I kept the summary of the Mexico example generic, but linked to the US State Department warning for those who wanted more detail. However, if people think it makes sense to state which agency issued the linked warning explicitly then that's completely doable and the template instructions can be updated to note as much. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 21:39, 22 May 2011 (EDT)
*bump* It sounds as if there may be a couple of outstanding concerns (which country's warnings to use and whether to use a separate template at all) so additional comment would be appreciated. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 11:10, 26 May 2011 (EDT)
I'd like to try replacing a few more warning boxes with this new template (notably Uzbekistan#Stay safe, Algeria, Bahrain, Chad and several others that show up from Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Warningbox), but since there were some reservations expressed above it would be good to get some further comment before doing so... so, any further comment? Objections? Suggestions? -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 12:05, 29 May 2011 (EDT)

Warning Boxes[edit source]

Moved here from traveller's pub[edit source]

I see warning boxes pop up on many articles prematurly, usually by people who have never been to the country in question and may make blanket assumptions such as "there are protests in some parts of the Middle East, so every country in the Middle East needs a warning box"

This turns into edit wars, and since the number one rule of wikivoyage is that the traveller comes first, I think maybe there should be a medium level warning box. Maybe... a yellow "caution" box or something like that.

It doesn't seem right that "Warning there is a war in this country and you are likely to be shot if you go here" should be the same magnitude as "There are some protests in neigbouring countries, this country is currently safe, but be sure to moniter events closely in case of change"

Just my $0.02. Would something like that be possible? —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Kayla (talkcontribs)

This issue was raised previously at Template talk:Warningbox#Overuse of warningboxes but did not elicit many responses. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 14:07, 2 March 2011 (EST)
I'm trying to plan a trip to the Middle East, and I'm finding it really hard to decide which countries are "relatively safe" and which are "warzones" when any country in the Middle East is apparently being given arbitrary warning boxes. I know for a fact that Oman is fairly safe, but for others I don't know enough about them to remove the warning boxes. Warning boxes feel like they are saying "absolutely do not go here unless you want to die" but maybe only I read them that way... (WT-en) Kayla 14:27, 4 March 2011 (EST)
This seems to be a problem with a wiki-based travel guide - it's not always possible to know how credible an editor is, and anytime something is in the news then lots of people without first-hand knowledge tend to plaster warnings across the site. While we don't use citations on Wikivoyage, warning boxes might be a place where they would make sense. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 14:51, 4 March 2011 (EST)
Agreed provided personal experience is allowed as a reference. Signed personal experience. With a username, not an ISP number. (a real name would also be OK as long as it is verifiable). Cheers, • • • (WT-en) Peter (Southwood) Talk 00:21, 6 March 2011 (EST)
That's not a road I want to go down. We don't cite anything else in our guides; why would we cite warning boxes? (WT-en) LtPowers 15:22, 6 March 2011 (EST)
This discussion should probably be moved to Template talk:Warningbox, but since the purpose of a warning box is to warn travelers against a "non-obvious danger to life and limb" it seems reasonable to at least provide an additional level of reassurance as to whether or not a traveler's life really would be in danger when visiting a place, or if someone merely read an article on CNN and slapped a warning on ten different articles. Additionally, it would make these boxes easier to remove since editors could simply check the link provided to see if the danger has ended. Also note that I wouldn't propose that warning boxes without a citation should be removed, merely that using citations as an additional resource with warning boxes might be helpful. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 17:58, 6 March 2011 (EST)
A thought. Warnings should dates for specific dangerous events to act as a type of expiry date so that the traveler can decide if the danger has passed. Something like "On 13/03/11 there was street fighting in district X". Violent protests tend to be short lived, as are natural disasters, so the warning may not be relevant by the time the traveler gets there. On going dangers are best included in the main text. - (WT-en) Cardboardbird 21:25, 12 March 2011 (EST)

Category:Warnings[edit source]

Swept in from the pub.

An IP user has created Category:Warnings and added it to Template:Warningbox so that all articles with warnings are categorized therein. I'm not sure how useful this category is, though, as "What links here" works almost as well, and we don't usually use categories for anything but article status. Thoughts? (WT-en) LtPowers 10:55, 30 November 2011 (EST)

I actually deleted that with the request that it first be discussed (per Project:Categories) as I was concerned about having so many articles show up in a "warning" category. I'm not excited about using a category for this, but wouldn't be opposed if others are in favor. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 11:05, 30 November 2011 (EST)

Review Dates[edit source]

Occasionally, I'll come across a warningbox that refers to a short-term danger (natural disaster, violence, conflict, etc.) that has long since passed and no longer is a danger. It would be really great if there were a way to include a date in the template to review the status of the warning. There could then be a new page that has a table listing all warning boxes on WT and the date added and a review date. This would provide an easy way to keep track of these warning boxes (there's pages that link to... but that's a long list to review). Now myself, when adding a warning box, I'll always include the date in some way like "In July 2012, there was a coup in Country Y and the military leaders have suspended the constitution...blah blah". Of course, the date should be added but in a lot of cases isn't. Even when the date is listed, dangers from some events may last for a long time (like a city/region devastated by an earthquake and still with minimal basic services 9 months later...such as Port-au-Prince after the 2010 quake or Aceh after the 2004 tsunami) while others may only last a week or two (protests, violence). Examples:

  • {{warningbox|Date Added/Updated/Reviewed|Review Date|Warning}}
  • {{warningbox|July 2012|July 2013|Travelling in Afghanistan is extremely dangerous, and independent travel/sightseeing is emphatically warned against...blah blah}} Not really going to change soon, so 1 year. Just month would be ok.
  • {{warningbox|July 2012|October 2012|Travel to Syria is strongly not advised due to a state of severe political crisis.}} Given the uncertainty of what will happen in Syria, 3 months seems appropriate.
  • {{warningbox|11 July 2012|25 July 2012|Protests over disputed election results has been ongoing since the results were announced July 8. Visitors should avoid travel to Country X for the time being; but if it's necessary, consult the advice of your embassy and avoid large gathering.}} Protests are a short-term issue, so 2 weeks is a good time for a review date.

With the proposed "review date" added to the template and page to keep track of warningboxes, a user can go to that page and see that the review date has arrived and go to the destination's page, read the warningbox, and (if they know about the situation) update it or remove it. This offers an easy way to keep track of and eliminate outdated warningboxes. The maximum time until a review date should be 1 year for dangers that aren't likely to go away soon (like drawn-out conflicts/rebels in Somalia, Afghanistan, Sudan, CAR, DRC, etc.)...but the info in the warning could change in a year's time. Other events like a recent coup or natural disaster would have a review date of, say, 1 month or less. Non-destination pages would be exempt (Tornado safety, War zone safety, user pages, etc.). The page listing all the warningboxes would look like:

  • Page......Date added/updated/kept after review......Review date
  • Afghanistan......July 2012......July 2013
  • Syria......July 2012......October 2012
  • Country X......11 July 2012......25 July 2012
  • Tornado safety
  • War Zone safety

There would be options to sort the columns be ascending/descending alphabetically or by date (with ones that have a day specified coming after those without...August 2012, August 2012, 1 August 2012, 15 August 2012). Basically, like the tables on Wikipedia such as this one.

Since some of the technical/software side of this isn't really possible without changes to MediaWiki (I think? I'm not IT-savy), I am going to post this request at Wikivoyage Shared Travelers Pub where a request has been made for new features.(Done: here) (WT-en) AHeneen 02:25, 11 July 2012 (EDT)

A mighty fine idea, I'd say.(WT-en) texugo 10:42, 11 July 2012 (EDT)
I don't think any technical changes are necessary. A category (Category:Pages with expired warning boxes or similar) would suffice for the small number involved. The category can be added to the template conditionally based on comparing the current date with the "Review date". (WT-en) LtPowers 10:53, 11 July 2012 (EDT)

Government travel advice[edit source]

Swept in from the pub

Travel advice

The following governments publish have published country-specific information for their nationals visiting Sudan, providing an overview of issues like safety, health, and entry/exit requirements.

While content should be added here and not linked to, I'd like to propose adding a template to "Stay safe" on country pages that has links to information provided by foreign affairs departments for their citizens, such as the U.S. State Dept.'s Country Specific Information and similar info from English-speaking (this being the English WV) from the UK, Canada, Aust., Canada, NZ, and maybe S.A. and India. The template would resemble the infobox and say something like: "The following governments publish have published country-specific information for their nationals visiting [country] (and a few regions, like Antarctica), providing an overview of issues like safety, health, and entry/exit requirements." Followed by a list of links identified by country name/abbreviation (eg. "U.S.", "U.K.", "Canada", "Australia", etc.). When a government has issued a w:travel warning (any besides U.S.?) for a country, it would follow in parentheses. The wording of all this needs tweaked and maybe there should be a graphic to highlight the travel warning?

The idea stems from Template talk:Warningbox#State Department Travel Warning Template. I also would like to renew an old discussion about review dates on Warningboxes, so that outdated warningboxes get reviewed & removed/updated (follow the link to discuss). AHeneen (talk) 21:39, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Why do you want to make it look so similar to the infobox? LtPowers (talk) 22:34, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
I strongly object to the idea that we cater to nationals from English-speaking nations. Many people from non-English speaking countries heavily rely on English-language websites, especially sites like this one where their own language alternatives don't make for proper substitutes. For travellers, this is true even more than for most other groups. I'm at least surprised, perhaps even a tiny bit offended, that you'd be willing to set the involvement of millions of potential users and at least several regulars here aside so.. self-evidently. JuliasTravels (talk) 22:47, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
I don't think this is catering to English-speaking nations, it is more about gathering information from English speaking sites - this info can be used by all.
As for putting this in every country guide, it is certainly a large amount of real estate for links. Sidebar maybe? Quickbar? --Inas (talk) 23:32, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
I'd concur with both of the above - Spanish language sites wouldn't be too helpful here. The box is a little big... --Rschen7754 00:52, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
The main objection that I would raise to this is that I think the information offered by these government agencies is usually way off base. They are ultraconservative in recommending that their nationals go anywhere. --Peter Talk 01:00, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
User:Peterfitzgerald's right on this one - although the official stance of the jurisdiction that issued your travel insurance policy can be very relevant if you need to claim. -- Alice 01:48, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
I'd tend to agree, but some people do look for that sort of information, or official travel warnings / recommendations to evacuate. --Rschen7754 02:25, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
Perhaps when we do decide to place a warningbox, then we add these links as part of it? I agree with Peter that these warning are mainly OTT, but I also agree with AHeneen that when we take on the role of warning users of danger, that should accept some responsibility for being well sourced and provide links to "official" information. --Inas (talk) 02:28, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
I was thinking about this idea a while back. I don't think a template for every country is necessary, but rather a new addition to Template:Warningbox (which appears to have been redesigned a few hours ago?). At the bottom of the template could be a link to official info about the country/region. Then it's kind of like were are "verifying" our claims. I'll try and work on an experimental template. JamesA >talk 05:22, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
To answer a few concerns: 1) by looking like an infobox, I meant that it's location on the right side (as opposed to a disclaimer/warning/cautionbox that spans the width of the page. It can certainly be colored different or made a narrower width. 2) Using just English info is acceptable because this is the English Wikivoyage and it wouldn't be very practical to have 20 links to such advice in 12 languages. 3) The U.S. is especially conservative when providing advice, but there's still plenty of relevant info and the advice provided may be more up-to-date than WV or touch on issues not mentioned on WV. 4)These websites don't just cover safety info, but also topics like entry/exit requirements...so they'd be useful at all times, not just when there is a danger that requires a warningbox. 5) This could be added to the quickbar, provided there is a simple/visually appealing way of inserting the multiple links and identifying them ("Travel advice: [U.S.], [U.K.], [Australia],..."??). AHeneen (talk) 05:57, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
Travel Warning WARNING: Except for stable Somaliland, Somalia is currently a war zone—quite possibly the most dangerous country in the world to visit—and remains extremely dangerous for independent travel or sightseeing...
Government travel advisories: AustraliaCanadaNew ZealandUnited KingdomUnited States

Above is a quick draft of what an addition to the current Travelwarning template could look like. Along with the mentioned ones, I have also added India and South Africa, but struggled to find any advisories from those countries on the web. The opportunities to add more countries like China/Spain/France are of course open. JamesA >talk 05:45, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

There's a lot of empty space. It's a bit of a misnomer to use the term "travel warning", since the links are actually travel advice/info from the governments, despite touching on security/safety. The State Department's actual travel warning for Somalia is here. AHeneen (talk) 05:57, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
The empty space is simply because I did not fill in the template properly. See User:JamesA/Sandbox for what the actual Somalia travel warning would look like. I've also changed the template to say "Travel advisories". JamesA >talk 06:04, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
That looks good too me. Is certainly seems like a starting point that is easy to agree on, and we can work from there. --Inas (talk) 12:06, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
There should likely be a date stamp to categorise any reprints of warnings; Fukushima (prefecture) still has "Travellers should be aware, however, that aftershocks continue and train schedules may be disrupted." at the end of the 2011 'quake and nuclear evacuation info. How much of that text still applies, and how much is outdated? K7L (talk) 14:18, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
In the OP, there is a link to a discussion about adding "review dates" on warningboxes: Template_talk:Warningbox#Review_Dates. There's a decent proposal, so it might be better to continue discussion of dating warnings there. AHeneen (talk) 15:36, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
Is there anyone who is not okay with my adaptation of AHeneen's proposal? That is, the addition of new parameters in the Warningbox template for each country's govt advice. If everyone's fine, I will go ahead and implement in a few days, updating the documentation at the same time. JamesA >talk 06:32, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
What did you decide to do about adding "review dates"? Did you add that parameter, James-- Alice 07:16, 7 March 2013 (UTC)?
That's a separate discussion to this: Template_talk:Warningbox#Review_Dates. I'll comment on that after this discussion ends and propose its implementation separately. JamesA >talk 07:52, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Travel advisories[edit source]

Since travel advisories are generally only issued for countries, not for individual cities, towns, etc. (example), it doesn't make sense to have an empty "Government travel advisories:" in the template. Maybe we could make that a parameter instead? --Peter Talk 06:23, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Should clearly be optional. --Inas (talk) 23:49, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
I think the travel advisories are optional now, assuming I've gotten the conditional correct. -- Ryan • (talk) • 00:06, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Emergencies and Disasters[edit source]

Swept in from the pub

As a result of the ongoing emergency in Boston, I put a very basic warning box to travellers at the top, advising people to 'follow the instructions of local law-enforcement agents and refer to local news organisations for updates'. I couldn't find any WV policy for events like this, so any thoughts as to whether or not this is the right thing to do would be welcome. Please also feel free to remove the banner from that page. --Nick (talk) 22:26, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Good call. I don't know of a specific policy regarding usage of the banner, I think it depends more on a case-by-case basis. I'd say in this event usage of the banner is perfectly justified. PerryPlanet (talk) 22:49, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
I don't think there are any specific guidelines beyond what's on Template:Warningbox, but I don't like updating our articles for events like this one since the impact from the event is limited to a day or less. If there's an earthquake or a natural disaster that will affect the area for weeks or months then a warning box provides a way of noting where and what is impacted, but for a general news event someone in the location will be getting more information than our guides provide, and someone visiting the location at a later date won't be affected by today's news. -- Ryan • (talk) • 22:53, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
Agreed with Ryan. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 23:02, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
Perhaps you're right Ryan - it is a bit optimistic/foolhardy to think that WV would be people first source of information at a time like this. I also meant as a sort of disclaimer I suppose for the article's content, but as stated above, I'm more than happy to remove it. --Nick (talk) 23:04, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
If the explosions occurred in a major tourist area (I'm not familiar with the marathon route), then the disruption may be ongoing for a week or two. Otherwise, I agree that a temporal event like this, however tragic, is probably not worth the warningbox. LtPowers (talk) 23:18, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
FWIW, Boylston Street is definitely a tourist area (Fenway Park and Boston Common are each a stone's throw away), and according to news reports, 15 blocks surrounding the blast site have been cordoned off and will be closed until further notice. Methinks LtPowers' caveat may indeed apply to this situation. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 23:32, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
If the warning box is for something specific ("15 blocks around the area including Fenway and Boston Commons are cordoned off") and is put into the relevant district article or sub-section then that's information that may be of some value if the disruption is going to last for a while. However, a warning that simply states "The area described in this article is the location of an ongoing emergency" is Obvious, is irrelevant to the vast majority of the city, and doesn't sit well with me since it seems to be there solely for the sake of making our guides seem in some way relevant to a very sad event. -- Ryan • (talk) • 23:52, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
I've removed it. If anyone wishes to put it back or to replace it with a more nuanced version please feel free to do so. --Nick (talk) 00:04, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
I agree with Ryan that it doesn't make sense for a travel guide to issue warnings about short term safety issues (aside from our travel news section, which is dormant now). All the more reason, of course, to start linking to Wikinews categories in the sidebar from individual articles! --Peter Talk 02:59, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
I would largely have to agree with Ryan - a more specific note at the appropriate section may be helpful, but a generic message at the top makes it sound like the city is under martial law or something. --Rschen7754 04:22, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
It's usually best not to overuse these boxes. If Somalia is lawless chaos and Afghanistan has been turned into a war zone, say so, but we tend to get info like "Joplin was hit by a tornado in 2011" still left on articles years later even after it's no longer particularly useful to the traveller. A note on one section which contains listings for venues temporarily closed because of a disaster is reasonable if it's removed as soon as the venue either re-opens or the listing is removed. K7L (talk) 23:51, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
I am indifferent on the use of the box in this particular case, but it would be super easy to have the box template add the article to a hidden category so it is easier for us to keep tabs on the ones that need to be removed after some time has passed. Texugo (talk) 19:47, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
For another example where a box was probably around far too long, see Talk:Karakoram Highway. I think the potential problem is worse for less-visited places and less-edited articles. Pashley (talk) 20:01, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
I proposed adding "review dates" to the warningbox template here with the issue of outdated warningboxes on less-edited articles. However, often times a warningbox for an event or disaster should be converted to a cautionbox or disclaimerbox rather than completely removed from the article. If a large earthquake causes a lot of damage in a town, a warningbox about the earthquake (stating things like water/power services are not working, businesses are closed, etc) may not be needed a couple months later, but consequences of the event may still be relevant to travelers and may need to be highlighted. For the earthquake example, this may entail converting to a cautionbox, moving to the "Stay safe" section, and saying something like "Many structures in the town have been damaged by a Jan 2013 earthquake. Water has not been restored to the entire city. Shelters for those displaced in the earthquake are concentrated in the northeast and after dusk are rife with pickpockets. Businesses, attractions, and activities listed in this guide may be temporarily closed for repairs or may even have been destroyed." AHeneen (talk) 05:43, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Category[edit source]

Why does this template need an associated category? LtPowers (talk) 16:09, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Most of these are things that need to be reviewed/updated/removed periodically. Texugo (talk) 16:41, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
That's what Special:Whatlinkshere is for, isn't it? LtPowers (talk) 19:38, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
The same might be said for {{style}}, {{regions discussion}}, {{vfd}}, {{experimental}} or any number of other maintenance templates. Yet there is no compelling reason not to make these things more convenient and trackable. Texugo (talk) 19:46, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
I agree with Texugo - the categories do no harm and are a useful tool for tracking templates that require regular updates and removal. No one is prevented from using "what links here" if they choose, but adding a category is helpful to the many people who prefer a hierarchical (and multi-dimensional) organizational tool. -- Ryan • (talk) • 19:52, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
But no one has yet answered my question: Why does this particular template need a hierarchical and multi-dimensional organizational tool? LtPowers (talk) 20:26, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
Texugo: "Most of these are things that need to be reviewed/updated/removed periodically". Me: "the categories... are a useful tool for tracking templates that require regular updates and removal". -- Ryan • (talk) • 20:29, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
Yes, I've read the thread, thank you. I understand that it's useful to be able to see which articles use this template. Why is a Category necessary to do so? Is there something about my question that is unclear? If I'm not being clear about what my question is, please ask for clarification rather than patronizingly repeat things that have already been said. I am trying to understand why the built-in Whatlinkshere tool is not sufficient and a more complicated method is needed. LtPowers (talk) 02:34, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
I would argue that it is a simpler method rather than a more complicated one since it allows you to go directly to the category without a messy URL, bypassing the template and its inclusion of secondary namespace links and transclusion/links text. It presents the category more neatly, separating them alphabetically and displaying all of them on one page in three neat columns instead of one unbroken list, and displaying an automatic count accessible by PAGESINCATEGORY. A category also presents itself as a topic for maintenance in a way that whatlinkshere does not, allowing it to be grouped with other maintenance categories where patrollers may come across it, and with space on its page for an introduction to explain why this is important. These are the same answers you'd get if you had asked why we have a category for {{style}} or the other templates I mentioned above. Why does this bother you? Texugo (talk) 10:21, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
Because adding categories makes it harder for people unfamiliar with wikitext to understand the meaning and purpose of various items within this template's code, and adds to the maintenance tasks required to keep the wiki running smoothly. Thank you for your explanation, though I wonder if any maintenance template wouldn't get a category under those metrics? LtPowers (talk) 00:58, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Irish travel warning to Syria[edit source]

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Hello. Could someone add a parameter for Ireland notices to the template, along the same lines as the existing ones? I would like to add [2] to Syria. Thanks! It Is Me Here t / c 10:05, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

ie Parameter added. --Saqib (talk) 15:05, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
Thanks! It Is Me Here t / c 21:22, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Warning boxes[edit source]

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I suppose we aimed to provide practical travel advisory to travellers rather than offering same tradional common travel advisories issues by governments which I always found very negative. I was going through Middle Eastern country guides and I found a big warning box on Egypt guide. While certainly Egypt is currently going through some difficult time but I think the affected areas is not whole country but few regions. In this manner, we should had placed warning box in those affected region articles rather than in the country article itself and perhaps a CAUTION box could had been inserted instead of that warning box in the country guide. Now, I'm seeing government travel advisories less negative for Egypt because Canada travel advisory says for Egypt that "Avoid non-essential travel (with regional advisories)". But yes for some countries , they issue severe statemens like "Avoid non-essential travel", more severe like "Avoid all travel (with regional advisories)" for some countries including Iraq, and very severe "Avoid all travel" for some countries including Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen, Somalia. While Australia travel advisory says for Egypt that "Reconsider your need to travel". I assume our warning box is giving the impression "Avoid all travel" to Egypt. Same is the case with Pakistan for which both of the states (Canada and Australia) says "Reconsider your need to travel" and "Avoid non-essential travel (with regional advisories)", respectively. Australia government says same "Reconsider your need to travel" for some countries like Bahrain, Iran, Saudi Arabia, but I fail to see warning box in their country guides. For Pakistan, most of the advistory says avoid travelling to some particular areas bordering Afghanistan and Iran so I think warning box should be placed in those regional articles and the warning box in Pakistan article can be instead replaced by a caution box. Others opinion please. --Saqib (talk) 13:59, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

One of my country's citizens is languishing in an Egyptian jail because he is an agent of dreaded terrorist organisation Al-Jazeera. The situation on the ground is martial law, even though the US diplomats are carefully not uttering the word "coup" to describe what has happened as that would require they act to impose sanctions. A warning box on Egypt is justified under the circumstances.
Certainly, we do need to improve our handling of warning boxes. Often, they're placed on articles with no date stamp (I had to do a bit of digging to find from other on-line sources that the volcanic activity behind a big red Iceland warning box was August 2014, and that the exclusion zone had since been cut back to the immediate area around the mountain) and are left here long after they are outdated (Odessa is out of the news now, there are still valid warnings for Ukraine but for the Russian-backed war on Donetsk and Luhansk). These big red boxes need to be specific - what happened and when - so that they may be removed in a timely manner once they've served their purpose. There is a maintenance category Category:Has warning box where one can check, "Walt Disney World, oh yes, a deadly place listed right before War zone safety." For Pakistan, yes, Waziristan is out of control. A warning box is in order. K7L (talk) 14:23, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
Unfortunately, situation in many places around the world is not friendly for journalists. This does not necessarily mean these countries are dangerous for travel though. Many (most) regions in Egypt are as safe/dangerous as they've always been. Magedq (talk) 17:40, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
It might be a bit drastic to delete all warning boxes without a date in them, but they seem to be next to worthless. What if years from now Iraq becomes a living democracy with a safety situation better than that of Chicago and we still have an undated warning box? I mean yeah caution is better than lack of caution but if there are too many warnings, placed in too many places, we run the risk of over-satiation. Bottom line: put a date on them where ever and when ever possible and avoid stock texts copied from Waziristan to Somaliland to volcanic activity in Iceland Hobbitschuster (talk) 15:19, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
Odd that you should mention Chicago. One of its less desirable suburbs does indeed have the big red box as a crime-ridden hellhole. K7L (talk) 16:31, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
I think out-of-date warning boxes are a repeating problem. An example at Talk:Karakoram_Highway#Warning_box has one that may have been around ayear or two too long. Pashley (talk) 15:34, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
Worth noting here that there are two different uses for warning box being used. One is of the travel advisory/war zone type, which should typically be dated. The other is of for natural hazards or other hazards that can be deadly (dangerous undertow at beach, flash flood warning, poisonous snakes along trail), for which attaching a date doesn't really make as much sense. Texugo (talk) 17:18, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
That depends on the natural hazard. A natural disaster (such as an earthquake, tsunami, cyclone/hurricane/typhoon or a volcanic eruption) often is tied to a specific date. K7L (talk) 17:37, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
Well, yes, good point. Just wanted to point out that there are some deadly dangers that are everpresent and not necessarily date-related. The one in the Disney World article mentioned above is another of this type. Texugo (talk) 17:53, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
The documentation at Template:Warningbox has pretty specific guidance about when a warning box should be used, and what additional details should be provided (specifically, links to government travel advisories when relevant), but that guidance tends to be overlooked. Perhaps we could add two new required fields - "date added" and a warningbox "type" field that would flag warnings that were missing required data, with failure to add either of these fields resulting in a warning box that won't display properly. "Date added" could be displayed to end users and would be useful in cases where the warning is similar to the advisory/war zone warnings Texugo cited. The "type" field would allow us to require additional info in some cases - for example, if we created a "travel advisory" type, any warningbox of that type that was missing a link to an official government travel warning would be placed in a maintenance category. I'm not sure what other types would be needed - perhaps "local danger" for Texugo's deadly snake example, but this would at least give us some way to better control and maintain these boxes. -- Ryan • (talk) • 18:16, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
Good idea. Hobbitschuster (talk) 18:31, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
+1. A 'date added/updated' parameter in the same way as the recent Listings modification would be great. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 20:19, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
In an ideal situation, we would also be able to set a relevant time for review when adding a warning box, and the maintenance panel would show a list of warnings that are due for review... But well, requiring a date to be added is an improvement on the status quo already :-) JuliasTravels (talk) 21:32, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
We could have a category page that lists all instances of warning templates, and review periodically the ones with old or no update dates. Andrewssi2 (talk) 21:37, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
Just seen this, but I do think this is a good idea. Not much has happened to this since March, so I'll list this at requests for comment now.  Seagull123  Φ  19:02, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
More specifically, we would need someone familiar enough with templates to make the suggested changes. This is still a point worth fixing. JuliasTravels (talk) 09:48, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
@JuliasTravels: I'm not the most adept at templates, but I was having a bit of a fiddle around with it, copying some code from Template:Listing. I think it works, I've added a |lastedit= parameter with which the template works both with and without the parameter included. The results are here and the code is here. I haven't managed to add some sort of last updated category to it though, if someone else could do that, that would be great. Anyway, this is the best I could do.  Seagull123  Φ  15:38, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
The problem with adding a "last updated" date is that it may mislead readers into believing it's no longer valid. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:11, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
I actually think it's very useful, especially when links to government websites are included. Undated security advise is unreliable by definition. Dated advise with links to updated advise has use. Last updated dates are already often included in the text. What we need is to get it into a maintenance category too though, for regular review. Perhaps User:Texugo has any thoughts about that? JuliasTravels (talk) 09:45, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

I would think we might want a maintenance category to catch all the ones for which it's been two about months or more since last update. There is some code at Template:Event that could probably be adapted for this purpose. Texugo (talk) 17:14, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

@JuliasTravels, Ikan Kekek, Texugo, Andrewssi2, Hobbitschuster: I think there is a consensus in this discussion to add a date added parameter, but nothing is really being done about this, so unless the consensus changes within the next few days, I'll add the parameter code that I copied from Template:Listing, the code is here and the results are here. Please have a look at it. I'll aim to add this for around 18:00 BST on 23 August unless consensus changes. Thanks.  Seagull123  Φ  17:07, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
Template:Warningbox is used for much more than just temporal security information. See, for example, Walt Disney World#Ride safety. Putting a date on these (and a maintenance category that implies anything older than two months is out of date) is clutter -- and potentially misleading clutter. Powers (talk) 22:42, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
Hmm... I didn't think of that. Is there a way to make the date parameter optional, and use a maintenance cat only for the ones where it's used? I have no clue how many warning boxes are of the type Powers mentioned, but they should be excluded. For the other ones, it's not clutter, I think. Outdated warning boxes exist quite regularly. JuliasTravels (talk) 18:42, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
@JuliasTravels: I know, there are quite a few which are definitely outdated. I looked at one recently, I think it was on Nosy Be, and there was a warning box there about an incident that happened in 2013, so in these cases, I think the date parameter is necessary. But there are some times when the template is used for more general, important warnings which do not need a date parameter as this could give the impression that the warning is out of date. If you want, have a look at what I've had a go at, here, it's my attempt at adding a date parameter.  Seagull123  Φ  22:33, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

I plunged forward and have just added a |lastedit= parameter based on code from Template:Listing. It is optional so can work without the parameter used (for articles like Walt Disney World#Ride safety). If anyone disagrees majorly with this, or it doesn't work (hopefully not), please revert it. Thank you.  Seagull123  Φ  23:58, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Seems to work, at first glance. Thanks! JuliasTravels (talk) 17:49, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Indian travel advisories[edit source]

On the template documentation, it doesn't have a site for the Indian govenment's travel advisories. But I think I might have found one, http://mea.gov.in/index.htm I can't exactly find a page on that website, but if you search for travel advisory, it gives search results for a list of Indian government travel advisories. I added a link to one in Syria's warningbox. I didn't want to add this link to the documentation in case it isn't the actual link or there is a better one. Could someone possibly look at this and see whether it should be added or not please? Thanks.  Seagull123  Φ  18:50, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Ebola warningboxes[edit source]

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Is this thing over yet? I'm wondering if it's time to start removing the big red {{warningbox}}es about Ebola: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-33936360 suggests that Sierra Leone is down to its last two cases and the last quarantines are being removed; we've already removed the big red boxes from Liberia. What's the situation in Guinea or in any of the individual cities which've been plastered with warnings over the last year? K7L (talk) 04:10, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

CDC says Guinea still has new cases and is not advised to visit along with Sierra Leone [3] ChubbyWimbus (talk) 11:53, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Question[edit source]

In your opinion, should we remove the warning template at the top of this article following last month's good news from Sierra Leone? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 11:57, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Updating or toning down a bit is definitely fine, since the statistics are promising, but it's surely too early for a removal. A few new cases have been reported this month. The epidemic is not officially over until there are no new cases for 6 weeks after the last infected people either die or are declared virus free. And even then; while many restrictions have been eased, travellers might still be confronted with limited travel options or other precautionary measures, so a toned down warning could be useful even after the epidemic ends. JuliasTravels (talk) 14:16, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Unwelcome blank lines at bottom of Warning Boxes[edit source]

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I think this edit was the cause of blank lines being added at the bottom of vanilla flavored warning boxes without parameters (such as this one). BushelCandle (talk) 23:38, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Help :)[edit source]

Grmbl.. I don't see it. What am I doing wrong? I've added Hong Kong to our list of advices, but I've obviously done *something* wrong, for the layout is just off (see Chechnya). Can someone more awake than I am fix it? I promise I will not touch any templates again for a while haha :) JuliasTravels (talk) 14:12, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

I think I've fixed it, but let me know if you still see issues. -- Ryan • (talk) • 15:02, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
Yes, thanks! I knew I was overlooking something, but I just couldn't spot it hehe.. :) JuliasTravels (talk) 13:34, 16 November 2016 (UTC)