User talk:SHB2000/Archive 2021

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Hello, this is just an archive of my talk page. New threads get archived after 14 days of inactivity. Due to my username change in April, all threads here with my old username have been modified to have my new one. Any remaining ones will be deliberately left, either since the username is the topic issue. FYI, my old username can be deciphered by reading #Name change. So now most messages will have "SHB2000" in it, and not my old one to prevent confusion. This thread also contains messages from my IP talk page as well.

Welcome!

Hello, SHB2000! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

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Also I have blocked ThePikerWorm. If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask! Gizza ^(roam) 03:59, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your kind message and blocking User:ThePikerWorm. I'll try and create as many Australian Articles as possible. SHB2000 (talk) 04:01, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

@DaGizza: How do I add a map to Grand Pacific Drive? Thanks, SHB2000 (talk) 04:26, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Crop tool

Welcome, and thank you for your contributions. I've cropped the banner for Golden Highway. It is actually quite easy to use the Crop Tool, so you might want to try it yourself. You copy the filename of your picture from the commons, set the ratio to 7:1, then re-size the box to select the part of the picture you want to use. A new filename is created, which you can copy before hitting the Upload button. Best regards, Ground Zero (talk) 14:01, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Stubs

Thank you for starting the Australian Tourist Drive articles. Are you planning to expand these articles? The Grand Pacific Drive article is pretty good, but the other articles don't really provide very much information for travellers. For example, they don't explain why you'd want to drive those routes. They also don't identify what there is to see along the way. I'm not not sure what these articles really do for the reader. I am hoping to see more, as I plan to do a driving trip in Australia in the coming years, and these articles, if they are expanded could be very useful to me. Regards, Ground Zero (talk) 03:03, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Yes I am, when I get a little more time. Hope you have a good time here. SHB2000 (talk) 03:38, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

@Ground Zero: Just did a run through of Tourist Drive 33, so it's probably the next one going to be written. SHB2000 (talk) 00:44, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello. Having looked at your articles, I would recommend filling out the ones you've already started before starting any more. Even the Grand Pacific Drive article doesn't have the route description, which is the most important part of an itinerary. Just look at it this way - the more time you spend on creating new stubs, the less time you've got to improve the articles you've already created. All the best, ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 09:09, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks TravelAroundOz. I've added a map to Grand Pacific Drive. If you've added the wikidata links to destinations in your article, the map is generated automatically when you put this in the article: {{mapframe|zoom=8}}

You can zoom in with a bigger number or zoom out with a smaller number. Keep up the good work. Ground Zero (talk) 13:05, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

@Ground Zero: Hey Ground Zero, would Tourist Drive 33 still be a stub now? SHB2000 (talk) 08:42, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Template

@DaGizza, Ground Zero:Yep, thanks. Off topic, but I've just created a template called {{Uw-vandalism2}} similar to the one on en wiki. Make for people like User:ThePikerWorm (no it's for vandals not just him). Does it need approval?

If I may: I recommend not using it. Wikivoyage policy is deny recognition. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:41, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

I see. Definitely, not like en.wiki or commons SHB2000 (talk) 10:48, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Nope. Although "deny recognition" is a Wikipedia guideline, too, it's not at all universally observed there. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:00, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

TAO: With fewer active editors and fewer administrators, the Wikivoyage community has found it necessary to take much faster action with vandals. The Wikipedia approach of being gentle and encouraging them to become constructive editors doesn't work here: we usually move very quickly to shut them down. We have had to deal with several very persistent vandals who are clever at exploiting the system, so we block very quickly, and hide their vandalism from view to discourage them. Regards, Ground Zero (talk) 12:59, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

I see. Definitely different from en wiki. SHB2000 (talk) 06:05, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

[Outdent] Further on templates: Before you make loads and loads of templates, please read Wikivoyage:Using MediaWiki templates#New MediaWiki template proposals:

Before a new MediaWiki template is put into general use it needs to be discussed and accepted as good or preferably best practice. Until such acceptance, new templates will be tagged {{experimental}}, and should not be added to more than one low-visibility article—so not Paris. (If other editors object to that addition, though, expect it to be removed until a consensus is reached.) If new templates fail to gain community support, they will eventually be deleted.[etc.]

And what are you doing, redirecting your user talk page? I've never seen this done before, and it strikes me as hostile to all other users and smacks of vandalism to me. I would urge you to put this back into your standard user talk page. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:05, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Formatting

Hey TAO, I restored my edits on this article. Wikivoyage, like other travel guides, tries to use a consistent style for formatting times and dates, phone numbers, prices, and do on. It makes it easier for the reader to find information quickly. Using a variety of styles, as the article did before I cleaned it up, makes it looks sloppy and unreliable. Wv:tdf sets out one style for countries that use the 24-hour clock (e.g., 09:00-17:00), and one style for countries that use the 12-hour clock (e.g., 9AM-5PM). A destination article should never use both formats, as this one did — it's more confusing for the reader. The talk page for each country article identifies the style we use for that country's articles in a box at the top of the page.

If you disagree with Wikivoyage style, or with the style selected for any country, you can propose changes on the appropriate talk page.

Also, the edits you undid included a bunch of capitalisation, grammar, punctuation and formatting corrections. I have restored the lot of them. Regards, Ground Zero (talk) 01:59, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Whoops, sorry about that. But which page do I go to? SHB2000 (talk) 02:05, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

As well as that, would Tourist Drive 33 still be a stub now or an outline. SHB2000 (talk) 02:06, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

You restored a mix of formatting styles, so I'm not really clear what it is you are trying to do. If you disagree with Wikivoyage time formatting, raise it at Wikivoyage talk:Time and date formats. If you think we should use the 24-hour format in Aus articles, raise it at Talk:Australia. Ground Zero (talk) 03:05, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I'm saying we should use 24hr time in Aussie articles. But would TD33 be a stub now? SHB2000 (talk) 03:07, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

I have upgraded Torist Drive 33 to "outline". I think it would be "usable" if each of the places under "Drive" had a short description. Ground Zero (talk) 03:09, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Cheers mate, I'll do it in the next 3 days. SHB2000 (talk) 03:11, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

@Ground Zero: All of the places under "drive" now have a description and as such, would it now be usable. SHB2000 (talk) 08:33, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Welcoming

Hi again.

Thanks for your efforts with sending welcome messages, but would you mind leaving that to other users until you get more experience editing? Part of the purpose of such messages is for the new user to have someone to contact if they need any help but don't know how to use or aren't aware other resources like article talk pages, the Pub, Arrivals lounge etc. In this event, it's best for the person who helps them to have at least a few months' experience, otherwise it's likely they won't know the best way to help. There's also no point welcoming users with no editing history on Wikivoyage; we normally wait until either a person has made several edits or until one of their edits requires discussion. You can see a user's contributions by looking in the left sidebar on their user page, or else by searching Special/Contribution:username.

Finally, remember that whenever you post on a talk page, it's important to sign your post by typing four tildes in a row like this: ~~~~. You'd think after 20 years, the Wikimedia Foundation would have devised a way for talk page posts to sign automatically on desktop mode, but unfortunately they haven't.

Any questions, don't hesitate to ask. The tourist drives are coming together nicely.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 11:21, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Sure mate SHB2000 (talk) 11:24, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Also hard to believe 20 years. SHB2000 (talk) 11:28, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Ikr. I don't think I was aware of Wikipedia till about 2006.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 11:32, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Also, I'm a bit confused on what to name Alternate Tourist Drive 24. Should I put "(Queensland)" in brackets or not? Not many people will know where it is, unlike 33.

If there's another road called Alternate Tourist Drive 24 somewhere else in the world, then yes add "(Queensland)". But if not, it doesn't matter how obscure the route is, it doesn't need disambiguating.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 11:56, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

The thing is, I don't know. Tourist Drives are so poorly maintained in all states except NSW, QLD and WA. One thing for sure is that all WA tourist drives are covered on enwiki. Nothing about NSW or QLD. I also don't know about anything in Victoria as it's so poorly maintained that even the signs lead to nowhere there. SHB2000 (talk) 12:05, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Fair enough. In that case, maybe just assume there isn't another one, as it's quite a specific name. If in the future someone wants to create an article for another unknown "Alternate Tourist Drive 24", a disambiguation can be created then.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 12:08, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Aggressive archiving

Why are you archiving a 7-day-old post in Talk:Sydney? Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:38, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Well Ikan, it isn't a post to question but to just tell you guys about the change. [[[User:SHB2000|SHB2000]] (talk) 07:50, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Didn't I reply to this? 7 days is way too short to even expect people to see a post. I urge you to wait at least 2-3 months before archiving anything. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:01, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

G'day

Thanks for the Aussie barn compass. Australia is high on my list of places to visit when the world gets back to normal. If you haven't seen this already, I think it would be useful for you: Wikivoyage:Itinerary status shows the criteria for upgrading itinerary articles from stub to outline to usable to guide. Happy editing. Ground Zero (talk) 14:22, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks mate. I'll just have to wait till we get the Traveloca thing sorted out. SHB2000 (talk)02:50, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

@Ground Zero: Additionally, are there too much images on Tourist Drive 33 or is it just fine. SHB2000 (talk) 04:11, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Wikivoyage:Image policy says:

"Short articles (less than 3,000 bytes) should usually have no more than 1–2 images, including a map. For longer articles, 1 image per screen (1,000–2,000 bytes) is generally adequate."

You're easily within that guideline. I think it looks fine. Ground Zero (talk) 13:03, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

@Ground Zero: I guess I can have 18ish images since the article is 18k+ bytes. Cheers though, SHB2000 (talk) 11:27, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

I'd read that as 9-18, but 18 sounds like a lot of images. I don't think that would get advisable. We don't want our articles to burn through readers' mobile data. Ground Zero (talk) 12:17, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

I don't think I even have 12 images. SHB2000 (talk) 20:18, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

There are 9 including the banner 82.3.185.12 08:44, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Might add a tenth one. SHB2000 (talk) - 10:02, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Name change

Note: This section has my old username for those that are curious. It has been deliberately been left, as the topic is about the username.

Hey, TravelAroundOz (or SHB2000 now). Was just checking w:WP:PERM over at Wikipedia and a little surprised to see you there instead of here. I just noticed the name change -- any particular reason? Just friendly curiosity, hope you're doing well and it wasn't about anything bad. Vaticidalprophet (talk) 07:54, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

So it doesn't get confused with this person, in this case who I amn't. SHB2000 (talk) 08:33, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

And now I edit both WP and WV. SHB2000 (talk) 08:33, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Are you ever planning to change your name back? 82.3.185.12 09:04, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Nope. SHB2000 (talk) 09:06, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

April Fools suggestions page

Hi, I pinged you to this page, however since you changed your name literally less than an hour ago, I don't know if the ping reached you. 82.3.185.12 08:42, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi, I did receive the ping but I was editing Tourist Drive 30 at the time SHB2000 (talk) 08:45, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Tourist Drive 1

Hi, SHB2000. It looks like I created a problem, since I didn't wait long enough to hear from you about whether you were going to create more Tourist Drive 1 articles and moved the one in Central New South Wales to just Tourist Drive 1. There are a bunch of roads with the same name in different Australian states, then? It looks like I need to revert that name change and just spell out New South Wales because we don't use abbreviations for states on this site as a matter of style and because we don't expect people from outside a given country to know such abbreviations. Sorry about that. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:49, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

I see you fixed the problem. Thanks, and sorry again for ignorantly changing the name. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:51, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Though thanks for alerting me about the name issue. By the way, there are 5 Tourist Drive 1's I know of, with three in New South Wales SHB2000 (talk) 06:53, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

I guess that's somewhat similar to how we could have the same numbering for an interstate highway, a federal road, a state road and a county road in any given U.S. state. We don't have roads specifically called tourist roads, though, as far as I know. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:58, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

No, that's an Aussie thing. Infact, Australia still has 8 different numbering systems similar to the US system

i.e.

• National Highway
• National Route
• State Route
• Metroads (even though there are only two remaining)
• Alphanumeric (similar to Europe)
• National Highway Alphanumeric
• Tourist Drive/Ways
• Detour route (note that whoever edited w:Highways in Australia must've assumed its an alphanumeric even though it really isn't.

But surely there'd be strategic tourist routes in the US (unsigned, just information maps) SHB2000 (talk) 09:35, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

There are scenic routes, though they're usually numbered like any other and just marked with extra dotted lines on paper maps, for anyone who still uses those. I can think of one private road that has beautiful scenery and charges a toll, though. It's called the 17-Mile Drive and it's in Carmel, California. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:45, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Why charge a toll on a scenic road??? SHB2000 (talk) 10:10, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Because they can. :-) But I mentioned it because that's exceptional. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:07, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Man, I should stop complaining about the toll in Toowoomba, a regional city. This is just a road while that's a motorway ;) SHB2000 (talk) 20:12, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

An award for you

	The Wikivoyage Barncompass
	For your general contributions to Wikivoyage, and specifically for your work on Australia articles. We're glad you're here, mate. Ground Zero (talk) 12:39, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Cheers mate, and yes I am hoping to create an article for every major tourist drive in Australia. Just passed my 1000th edit :) SHB2000 (talk) 20:13, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Road travel between Adelaide/Melbourne -- itinerary potential?

Dropping in a word on your talk page, because you definitely have a lot more experience with the road articles than me. Do you think there's any solid potential for an article on overland travel (possibly including the bus and train routes as well as driving) between Adelaide-Melbourne, and would you be interested in helping out on one? I know it's a bit outside your usual geographic remit, but it's a trip I make regularly and I've been floating the idea of writing on it. Some of the closer-together capital cities, especially for ones outside the southeast bubble, so in my experience road trips and train/bus travel is fairly common. Vaticidalprophet (talk) 05:39, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Sure.

On a side note I'm actually terrible with roads, and my knowledge to contributing is past experience on those roads on those guides or travel guides/brochures. But Yes, we could make Adelaide-Melbourne by car. SHB2000 (talk) 05:44, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Also a reason why I rarely edit WA/NT/Tas related itinerary articles SHB2000 (talk) 05:49, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ @Vaticidalprophet: also note I'm happy to edit outside of NSW like with Strzelecki Track. SHB2000 (talk) 11:22, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

"Do not be an irresponsible person"

I don't think we should include that scolding tone in any warnings. IMO, let's just give readers information and trust that they won't be idiots, or that if they are, scolding all readers will if anything produce the opposite effect in them. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:50, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Sure, will fix it up. SHB2000 (talk) 05:18, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:25, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Re:Floods

G'day SHB, thankfully we haven't been hit that hard. But I appreciate you asking. There have been a few small leaks of water that have gotten inside the home and the back and frontyards are drenched. Hope you are staying safe and dry. What a crazy time the last couple of years have been. First the bushfires/drought, then Covid and now the floods (and of course Covid still isn't over yet). Gizza ^(roam) 07:03, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Oy! I didn't realize you were in Australia. I wish you the best. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:15, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Agree. First the strawberries, then the drought, then bushfires, then COVID now floods. SHB2000 (talk) 07:19, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

I was fortunate enough to get this, this and this SHB2000 (talk) 07:21, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

@Ikan Kekek:, Yes, DaGizza is the only other editor I know who lives in Sydney. SHB2000 (talk) 08:15, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Tech News: 2021-12

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16:53, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

An award for you

	The Aussie Wikivoyage Barncompass
	Thanks for your great work on improving Australian travel pages, especially driving articles. Hope Tourist Drive 33 gets star status soon! --LivelyRatification (talk) 02:58, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks so much. I wish the same for Stratford (Victoria) as well. SHB2000 (talk) 05:16, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Outline vs. stub

Hi. Outlines have a template, regardless of whether they have content. Stubs don't have a template. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:47, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Okay, I'll take that for next time as I was unaware of that. It's rather weird how it works as generally outlines are meant to give more information to the reader but it's weird when it comes to Great Alpine Road (incomplete) and these useless articles written by User:EnglishEP (translated) haven't even been modified. Anyway, have a good day and stay safe. Thanks, SHB2000 (talk) 08:34, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

You too. How's the flooding now? Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:31, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

All gone, was a 32˚ day yesterday. SHB2000 (talk) 20:14, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Tech News: 2021-13

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17:31, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Usernames followed by 2-3 numbers

These are socks of the Telstra guy at least 80% of the time, so best not to waste time posting to their user talk pages. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:26, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

That Brendon John Williams guy? Out of curiosity, how'd you find out his real name? SHB2000 (talk) 10:28, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Wait never mind, his original usernane was it. SHB2000 (talk) 10:31, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

@Ikan Kekek:, would Slimmil689 be one? SHB2000 (talk) 10:48, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Yep. Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:43, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

I see it's a vandalism only account. SHB2000 (talk) 03:32, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Your revert

You reverted my edit to Innamincka with the edit comment "exception. see the pub for discussion". I don't see it over there. Please explain. --FredTC (talk) 22:21, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

See SHB2000 (talk) 05:29, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #462

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    • Women whose article on English Wikipedia has the featured article badge (source)
    • Map of males and females after which streets are named (Leiden, NL) (source)
    • Map of birthplaces of trans women and men with articles in the Basque Wikipedia (source)
    • Map of institutions where UNR faculty got their academic degrees (source)
    • Map of location of sense usage (P6084) by language
    • Botanists with image of signature and optional IPNI author ID (source)
    • Subclasses of musical instrument with the most individual instances (source, result starts with: bell, organ)
    • list of U.S. state songs, anthems, marches, hymns, cantatas, or missing (source)
    • Adjacency map of Ordnance Survey Old Series preparatory drawings (source)
    • Ordinals in all languages/notations: 0th to 100th (source)
    • locked-room mysteries (source)

• Development
  • We continued to make improvements to the Query builder. We worked on adding a footer to the Query Builder (phab:T268643) and showing all relevant columns in the query result (phab:T277646) as well as querying for dates (phab:T272697)
  • Fixed a bug where Item pages scrolls back to "In more languages" block after every change of DOM (phab:T277999, being deployed to Wikidata later this week)
  • Continued working on a new grafana graph to track editor numbers split by namespace (phab:T275999)
  • Finished a small tool to get the ORES quality score for a list of Items. Waiting for deployment to toolforge for broader use now.
  • Defined remaining work for redirect sitelink exceptions (phab:T278962)

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer.

• Monthly Tasks
  • Add labels, in your own language(s), for the new properties listed above.
  • Comment on property proposals: all open proposals
  • Contribute to a Showcase item.
  • Help translate or proofread the interface and documentation pages, in your own language!
  • Help merge identical items across Wikimedia projects.
  • Help write the next summary!

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Welcoming new users again

Again, thanks for participating in this. However, Rodolfo2083‎‎ has no contributions, and that username suggests a likelihood of possibly being another sockpuppet of the Telstra guy. I'd suggest waiting a least a couple of posts before welcoming anyone. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:02, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Sorry for the late response, I've been out since Tuesday and now have my space key fixed. Thought the telstra guy's sock's are only 2-3 digits. Though I suppose he'd slowly start to change his editing habits/usernames. SHB2000 (talk) 09:53, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

But in any case, there's generally no point in welcoming someone who hasn't even made a single edit. The only time I do that is when their username suggests they are tour agency owners or something, and even then, preemptive advice not to tout or violate other Wikivoyage guidelines is almost never successful. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:31, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Vaucluse

Hi there. Wikivoyage:Naming_conventions#Disambiguation states that "one place is so much more famous than others with the same name" shouldn't be disambiguated. I would say this is probably the case with Vaucluse (France), especially since Vaucluse (New South Wales) doesn't even have an article, and possibly never will, given that it's covered by Sydney/Eastern Suburbs. I'd therefore like to revert your page move.

If there's a chance that the Vaucluse in NSW will get an article one day, or if you're planning to make one, then the disambig page can be transferred to Vaucluse (disambiguation). What do you think? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 12:40, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Sure. Vaucluse (New South Wales) is unlikely to get its own page for the next four years. Feel free to revert the move. SHB2000 (talk) 12:43, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

@ThunderingTyphoons!:, somethings preventing me from moving Vaucluse (France) to Vaucluse. SHB2000 (talk) 12:48, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

No worries, I've done it. The Vaucluse page needed to be deleted in order to overwrite it.

Is there some significance to "the next four years" with regard to Vaucluse, NSW?--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 12:54, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

The Eastern Suburbs will probably be too big for its own article and need to be broken down into smaller sections. La Perouse (can NSW have more french names) is sort of an exception as you can't fit all of what's there into the Eastern Suburbs article. SHB2000 (talk) 12:56, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Looking at a Greater Sydney rail map (yes, I collect train maps of places I'll probably never visit, don't judge me), I'm always struck by the number of place names borrowed seemingly at random from unremarkable towns in and around London - Bexley, Stanmore, Croydon, Lewisham, Richmond... - and wonder how they stack up against the originals.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:26, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Agree, it's only the last 20 years where names have been changing to indigenous names. Some hard to pronounce ones as well like Oodnadatta, Kununurra, Wooloomooloo, Kiwirakurra. There's also a bunch of other UK names in NSW like Liverpool, Cardiff (yes, when someone says cardiff, i think of cardiff, nsw and not cardiff, wales), Gloucester, Forster, Goulburn, Griffith, Camden (the origin of our Griffith is from Burley Griffin and not from the UK Griffith), Bathurst, Windsor and to say, there's a lot more than what I've mentioned. SHB2000 (talk) 21:45, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Tech News: 2021-14

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• Editors can collapse part of an article so you have to click on it to see it. When you click a link to a section inside collapsed content it will now expand to show the section. The browser will scroll down to the section. Previously such links didn't work unless you manually expanded the content first.

Changes later this week

• The citoid API will use for example 2010-12-XX instead of 2010-12 for dates with a month but no days. This is because 2010-12 could be confused with 2010-2012 instead of December 2010. This is called level 1 instead of level 0 in the Extended Date/Time Format.
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 6 April. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 7 April. It will be on all wikis from 8 April (calendar).

Future changes

• PAWS can now connect to the new Wiki Replicas. Cross-database JOINS will no longer work from 28 April. There is a new way to connect to the databases. Until 28 April both ways to connect to the databases will work. If you think this affects you and you need help you can post on Phabricator or on Wikitech.

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19:41, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

@Ikan Kekek, Mx. Granger, 82.3.185.12, Vaticidalprophet, ThunderingTyphoons!, Ground Zero, LPfi: - Re. the pub and the dates, The tech update that I received a week ago. SHB2000 (talk) 23:17, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

That’s not what I meant. What I meant was whenever I update a template, it replaces subst:#time:Y-m-d with 2021-04-11 or whatever the date is. 82.3.185.12 16:19, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: March 2021

This Month in GLAM – Volume XI, Issue III, March 2021 Headlines AfLIA Wikipedia in African Libraries report: Wikipedia in African Libraries Albania report: Wiki Loves Folklore 2021; I edit Wikipedia Brazil report: The Brazilian House is the theme of new GLAM dissemination activities Finland report: Enriching indigenous items in Wikidata Germany report: A virtual exhibition on 20 years of Wikipedia Netherlands report: Wikimedians in Residence for Media Art Project LIMA, Wikimedia and libraries, Wikimedia training related to shared heritage Sweden report: GLAM in Sweden in March UK report: Leeds Museums & Galleries, the British Library and the Khalili Collections USA report: Women's History Month in the US WMF GLAM report: Media Search, Image Suggestion API, and Project Grants Calendar: April's GLAM events Read this edition in full • Single-page To assist with preparing the newsletter, please visit the newsroom. Past editions may be viewed here.

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A barncompass for you!

	The Aussie Wikivoyage Barncompass
	This Barncompass is to show appreciation for your great work on Aussie articles on Wikivoyage. --82.3.185.12 11:46, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

You gave me one so I thought I’d return the favour. :) 82.3.185.12 11:46, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks at lot. Really appreciate this. My third barncompass. SHB2000 (talk) 11:48, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

You’re welcome! Enjoy the rest of your day! 82.3.185.12 11:51, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, I better go and sleep soon. It's currently 21.53 here. SHB2000 (talk) 11:53, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Oh, ok. Goodnight then! 82.3.185.12 11:56, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

And good afternoon to you. Been waiting 3 mins to post this :) SHB2000 (talk) 12:00, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Until I realised just now that daylight savings has begun. SHB2000 (talk) 12:00, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, it’s 13:05 now. 82.3.185.12 12:05, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Our clocks have just gone back an hour now :) SHB2000 (talk) 12:06, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ I thought you were going to bed now. 82.3.185.12 13:00, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

I'm a person who doesn't go to bed til 2300h. SHB2000 (talk) 00:17, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

I see. 82.3.185.12 07:48, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

or even 2330h. SHB2000 (talk) 07:49, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Date

You forgot to change the date. I changed it for you. 82.3.185.12 13:18, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, I’m not used to editing on mobile so it’s easy to forget. Take care SHB2000 (talk) 13:27, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! 82.3.185.12 07:46, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #463

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.

• Discussions
  • New request for comments: Is it worth to import labels from interlanguage links of other wikipedia projects to wikidata

• Events
  • Upcoming: Wikidata Lab XXVII - Gathering and modelling of metadata pertaining to all Brazilian laws. April 13, 14-18 (UTC-3). register
  • Upcoming: closing of d:Wikidata:Events/30 lexic-o-days 2021, April 14. If you participated in the contribution month, please drop a line about your work on the outcomes page.
  • Upcoming: LIVE Wikidata editing #40 - YouTube, Facebook, April 17
  • Upcoming: Online Wikidata meetup in Swedish #58, April 18
  • Upcoming: Wikidata Bug Triage Hour about Entity Schemas / shape expressions, April 19

• Press, articles, blog posts, videos
  • Papers
    • Much more than a mere technology: A systematic review of Wikidata in libraries, by Karim Tharani
  • Videos
    • LIVE Wikidata editing #39 - YouTube, Facebook
    • Data imports for Wikidata Lexemes (panel discussion 30 Lexicodays) (Youtube, Commons)
    • Leveraging text corpora for curating lexicographical data (30 Lexicodays) (Youtube, Commons)
    • Wiki2Prop: A Multi-Modal Approach for Predicting Wikidata Properties from Wikipedia - YouTube
    • Wiki World Heritage User Group: Capacity Building Wikidata Training - YouTube

• Tool of the week
  • EditSum, a user script which allows to attach custom summary text to any label/statement/sitelink/etc. modification.

• Other Noteworthy Stuff
  • A simple portal of women that study metabolomics powered by Wikidata
  • Do you have any cool Wikidata tips and tricks that you use? Share them with everyone on Twitter under the hashtag #WikidataTips
  • Entitree is a graph generator that can display family trees, but also other graphs like taxa or company subsidiaries.
  • Royal Trees, powered by Wikidata is an interactive website that shows royal family trees, for all royal families worldwide. See an example of Philip Duke of Edinburgh.

• Did you know?
  • Newest properties:
    • General datatypes: personal library at
    • External identifiers: ScoreStorybook company ID, Camptocamp ID, Biblio.com ID, CNN contributor ID, IFVPF ID, Musikasten ID, OregonFlora taxon ID, Demozoo group ID, Image Comics creator ID
  • New property proposals to review:
    • General datatypes: Commons-Kategorie für Portraits, pH, taxonomic treatment, Degrees day, NBM identifier, size of unit under command, Archdiocese of Liverpool identifier
    • External identifiers: HistoryLink essay number, National Provider Identifier, Singers.com ID, Oregon State Parks ID, Washington State Parks ID, Wikiroute ID, ID v Databázi periodického tisku pro veřejnost, GLEI RAL, OpenCorporates register id, OpenCorporates register jurisdiction, hPSCreg ID, Den Danske Ordbog article ID, Den Danske Ordbog idiom ID, Biographia Benedictina ID, Gyldendals Teaterleksikon ID, Trap Danmark ID
  • Query examples:
    • Danish lexemes matched to sentences (Source)
    • Twitter usernames and number of subscribers (Source)
    • Latin American musicians without a Wikipedia article in Spanish but with an article in another language (Source)

• Development
  • Started research and collecting material for the work on improvements to the Lexeme UI and prepared the first interviews
  • Finishing up the work on the first version of the Query Builder. We still need to get the security review before we can deploy it properly. Current state can be tested on the test system.
  • Finalized the dashboard to see the number of (active/very active) editors split by namespace. See the graphs at the bottom of this dashboard.
  • Continued working on the remaining pieces needed to fully support editing statements on Senses of a Lexeme (phab:T199896)

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer.

• Monthly Tasks
  • Add labels, in your own language(s), for the new properties listed above.
  • Comment on property proposals: all open proposals
  • Contribute to a Showcase item.
  • Help translate or proofread the interface and documentation pages, in your own language!
  • Help merge identical items across Wikimedia projects.
  • Help write the next summary!

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2 maps in an article?

Swept in from the pub

Hi everyone,

This might seem very odd but am I allowed to have two maps in Innamincka. One's for the 1.5km long town centre and the other is for the vast Innamincka. The problem is, they're either too close to each other or too far. Solution: A controversial request for two maps.

Is it okay?

Thanks, SHB2000 (talk) 04:46, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Since these are dynamic maps, that's probably not necessary. You can pick a kind of compromise zoom level and let readers click the map to zoom in or out for more location info. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:18, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

@SHB2000, have you considered a rectangular map? WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:31, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

WhatamIdoing, how do you do that? SHB2000 (talk) 05:28, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Like this, if you want the default/auto-zoom approach. Since you have one marker in a different town, you may want to put a location and/or zoom level back in. WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:48, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

I feel like in this case a "compromise" in zoom level would leave both purposes unsatisfied. I use two maps where necessary; see, for example, Niagara Falls (New York). Powers ^(talk) 02:20, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

I would probably add the latitude, longitude and zoom parameters for the mapframe to center map and zoom in on the main area. You can use the width and height parameters to make the dynamic map into a rectangle if so desired. Two maps are probably acceptable but I think one map would suffice. Best wishes! -- Matroc (talk) 05:20, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks guys, I've decided to remove the second map and incorporate both Ikan Kekek's and WhatamIdoing's ideas. Considering that for it to be a proper guide, it'll need 4 maps. (Town centre, greater Innamincka, Birdsville and Moomba) SHB2000 (talk) 09:09, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Facebook pages

I agree with your edit here, but only because the hotel has its own website. If a business has no website but has its own Facebook page, we link it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:38, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

@Ikan Kekek: I've done that before. Can't remember which article though. By the way, done wikivoyage have it's own insta page? SHB2000 (talk) 05:46, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

I doubt it. Commons is the Wiki with the photos, but I'm guessing there's no Wiki with an Instagram page. I could be wrong, though. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:42, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Checking it, there's only bn and ru pages. Plus wikitravel. SHB2000 (talk) 06:44, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Unilateral policy changes

Making a policy change without discussion and implementing it across a bunch of articles is always a bad idea. I'm sure that you believe you're right — and you very well may be right — but the approach you've taken does kind of say to everyone else that any views they may have on the subject are irrelevant, which leaves a bad taste.

I know you mean well, and you are a very constructive contributor. That is why I am addressing this to you on your talk page. Ground Zero (talk) 00:14, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Attribution

When using text from Wikipedia, I've been following the advice at Wikivoyage:Cooperating with Wikipedia, I.d.,

"When copying text from Wikipedia (or any other CC-SA site) you must provide attribution to the original authors. Attribution is generally provided by pasting the URL for the source article version (see below) into the "edit summary" box, and/or you can use the Wikipedia template."

I've been pasting the URL into the edit summary box. The way I read the passage above, this is sufficient. Also using the Wikipedia template is fine to do, but I don't think it is necessary under the policy. Do you disagree? Ground Zero (talk) 01:02, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Just incase. I mean, there's no harm in not doing it but I'll do it otherwise what's the purpose of the template. SHB2000 (talk) 05:09, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Admins' watchlists

What do you mean by "'I would expect admins, at least, to monitor this page.' - But no, only a non admin is monitoring this page"? The page is on the list of pages admins are explicitly asked to monitor, and several admins have commented on the thread above your comment. I haven't commented in the thread as I have little to say for the moment. (Except that: You can disable e-mail from named users, if that's any help.) –LPfi (talk) 06:18, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Very sorry about ignoring the rest of all the admins. As User:Ikan Kekek said, it's frustrating being constantly attacked. Btw, thanks for the suggestion. I only haven't disabled it incase if User:82.3.185.12 chooses to create an account one day. SHB2000 (talk) 06:45, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

I think there is a value in being able to send and receive e-mail. The preferences item I suggested allows disabling e-mail from a certain user (or a list of users). It does not help against somebody creating new accounts all the time, and non-logged in users cannot send wikimail anyhow. –LPfi (talk) 05:50, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Additionally, I'm not going to disable it because for the 98% of good faith users, I'm not going to ruin it for them because of the 2% minority that ruins and destroys Wikimedia Projects. By disabling it, I'm just letting the vandal/harasser win. SHB2000 (talk) 12:43, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Edit summary

I think your edit summary here was a bit careless, as you shouldn't want everybody watching latest changes reading that. No problem this time, and I see you changed it for the next test. –LPfi (talk) 08:21, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, I didn't want someone to think that it was someone impersonating me. SHB2000 (talk) 08:24, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

OK, but telling what you were testing, when what is in there is a secret, is problematic. –LPfi (talk) 08:31, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

Okay. But why is it a secret? SHB2000 (talk) 08:36, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

If it weren't, they wouldn't be hidden for non-admins. They are never perfect, and if you know what they catch, they are easier to evade. –LPfi (talk) 08:56, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

I see. And re reading this, I don't know how I'd've reacted when I saw this in RC. SHB2000 (talk | contribs) 08:58, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

And out of curiosity, do you know what 41.44.242.207 had wrote on my talk page? SHB2000 (talk | contribs) 09:00, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

This was also careless and not very kind. Please remember that everyone deserves respect. If everything Antandrus claimed is true, then through no fault of their own mental illness has completely ruined that person's life and has also caused them to inflict a lot of pain on other people.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 11:06, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

Yes. That was the prime concern of a friend of mine when I told about the situation. She was worried that he doesn't get the support he would need from the local society – which probably is true, but something we cannot do much about. There are things we have to do here for our readers and to protect ourselves, but let's try not to make it any worse than needed.

SHB2000: I can read what he wrote, at least one message. I suppose you got more or less the same message by e-mail.

–LPfi (talk) 18:24, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

Well, in his emails, he said he doesn't have mental health issues, (email me for a copy of that email) and the revision got deleted so I can't access it. SHB2000 (talk | contribs) 22:07, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

Plus, "to have no life" is a common Australian slang used for someone who frequently does stupid things. I should reduce my use of slangs. SHB2000 (talk | contribs) 22:09, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #464

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.

• Events
  • Past: Wikidata - HackaLOD Online sessions (replay in Dutch)
  • Upcoming: SPARQL queries live on Twitch and in French by Vigneron, April 20 at 18:00 CEST
  • Upcoming: Next Linked Data for Libraries LD4 Wikidata Affinity Group call: Alexandra Wong on experiences and workflows for linking archival collections to Wikidata. There will also be a recap of insights from the recent Canadian archivists’ panel on Wikidata by the University and College Archives Special Interest Section (UCASIS) of the Association of Canadian Archivists (ACA). Agenda, April 20
  • Upcoming: Wikipedia Weekley Network - Biodiversity edition: iNaturalist place ID YouTube, Facebook, April 23
  • Upcoming: LIVE Wikidata editing #41 - YouTube, Facebook, April 24
  • Upcoming: 25 April - WikidataDays Sessions II, an online editing session dedicated to democracy and political parties, coinciding with the celebration of Freedom Day.
  • Upcoming: Online Wikidata meetup in Swedish #59, April 25

• Press, articles, blog posts, videos
  • Blogs
    • Wikibase: the Software for Open Data projects
  • Videos
    • Structured Data on Commons explained, with Andrew Lih, John Cummings and Pharos (Youtube)
    • Discovering history's notable people (audio). Using Wikidata and Wikipedia as the backbone, this project "construct[s] a new dataset of more than seven million notable individuals across recorded human history".
    • LIVE Wikidata editing #40 - YouTube, Facebook
    • Adding information through EntitySchemas to Wikidata Andra Waagmeester and Jose Labra
    • SPARQL query requests around lexicography mapping] by VIGNERON - YouTube
    • Fast Linking of Mathematical Wikidata Entities in Wikipedia Articles Using Annotation Recommendation - YouTube
    • Wiki2Prop: A Multimodal Approach for Predicting Wikidata Properties from Wikipedia - YouTube
    • Wikidata Lab XXVII: WikiProject Brazilian Laws - YouTube
    • Librarians and Wikidata. A short tour - YouTube

• Tool of the week
  • User:So9q/Gadget-CreateNewEntity.js is a userscript to add a "create new item" link in the dropdown menu for when you want to * add an item to a property, but the item does not exist. (recently modified to support lexemes).

• Other Noteworthy Stuff
  • Humaniki March Update: Public Launch of Alpha Release
  • Another history of Denelezh
  • Wikidata Lexeme Forms no longer automatically redirects you to login, so you can now use edit mode to view the forms of a lexeme in the “right” order. Here is an example.

• Did you know?
  • Newest properties:
    • General datatypes: pH value, introduced on, ALA-LC romanization for Ukrainian
    • External identifiers: Generals of World War II ID, La Réunion des Livres ID, Humanitāro zinātņu virtuālā enciklopēdija concept ID, Humanitāro zinātņu virtuālā enciklopēdija person ID, Encyclopedia of Jewish Women ID, Urban Archive ID, GCD publisher ID, Letecká badatelna accident ID, Proveana ID, KATOTTH ID, La Fenice Theatre in Venice person ID, Politiklexikon ID, Europalexikon ID, National Inventory of Dams ID, Wissens-Aggregator Mittelalter und Frühe Neuzeit ID, Indigenous Lands in Brazil ID, Virginia House of Delegates ID, CAOI person ID, Encyklopedie antropologie ID, Our Campaigns race ID, Olympedia affiliations ID, ANPI place numeric ID, National Provider Identifier, Dicionário Histórico-Biográfico Brasileiro ID, Brapci author ID, Wikiroute ID, Biographia Benedictina ID, Periodical ID in a database of the Ministry of Culture of the Czech Republic, National Database of Laws and Regulations ID, Russians of Latvia ID, Rekhta author ID, Washington Rare Plant Field Guide ID, DzygaMDB film ID
  • New property proposals to review:
    • General datatypes: translator name string, scope note, LIMA media artist ID, CofE archives ID, CofE archives name ID, CofE archives place ID, has artist file in, term in higher taxon, accessibility statement URL, Hotel des Causses
    • External identifiers: Dialnet thesis ID, IAU member ID, MileSplit ID, Australian Thesaurus of Education Descriptors ID, Malaysian school code, synonymer.se Swedish synonym ID, Prague City Gallery inventory number in Art for the City, Yukon Archives authority record ID, Cimiterium ID, Encyclopedia of Korean Culture ID, HERO-tunniste, Smithsonian Ark ID, Oregon Poetic Voices poet ID, J! Archive player ID, Gender Glossar ID, Beirut Arab University's Libraries Title ID, music austria ID, identifiant Localisation - Joconde du Service des musées de France, identifiant techniques - Joconde du Service des musées de France, identifiant utilisation - Joconde du Service des musées de France, identifiant représentation - Joconde du Service des musées de France, NC Highway Historical Marker Program ID
  • Query examples:
    • Artists on Spotify that lack a Spotify Artist ID (P1902) on Wikidata (Source)
    • Timeline of the discovery of elements in the periodic table (Source)
    • 19th-century depictions of sunflowers (Source)
    • Czech art collections by size (Source)
  • Newest WikiProjects: Cyprus

• Development
  • Finished work on the support for editing statements on Senses on Lexemes via the API (phab:T199896)
  • Got all feature work done on the first version of the Query Builder. It is now awaiting security review.
  • Statements linking to deleted Lexemes now indicate this similar to statements linking to deleted Items (phab:T277089)
  • Fixing a bug with misaligned grammatical features after an OOUI update (phab:T278522)
  • Finished work on the small tools to get the number of constraints violations and ORES scores for a list of Items. Will publish soon.
  • Did interviews with a few people about how they work around lexicographical data
  • Selected focus languages for continued work on lexicographical data and Abstract Wikipedia together with Abstract Wikipedia team. The selected ones are Hausa, Igbo, Bengali, Malayalam and Dagbani. You can read more about it in the Abstract Wikipedia newsletter.
  • Gave input to WMF search platform team for a survey draft around the query service in order to better understand how to move forward with improvements

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer.

• Monthly Tasks
  • Add labels, in your own language(s), for the new properties listed above.
  • Comment on property proposals: all open proposals
  • Contribute to a Showcase item.
  • Help translate or proofread the interface and documentation pages, in your own language!
  • Help merge identical items across Wikimedia projects.
  • Help write the next summary!

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Is it okay if I create two armchair travel articles?

Swept in from the pub

Hi everyone,

Just wanted to ask your opinion on creating two armchair articles. Strzelecki Track and Birdsville Track. They can be physically accessed but with one vehicle every 2-3 days. Just wanting to ask whether I should create it based on if a traveller goes and explores it or for armchair travel?

Cheers, SHB2000 (talk) 11:34, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

I'd say cover these as itineraries, but what would be the difference in your coverage if it was meant solely for vicarious reading, which is what I think you mean by armchair travel, than if you simply cover it as a practical itinerary? Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:57, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

I'd generally put a lot of humour in armchair travel and be a bit more serious in practical itineraries. SHB2000 (talk) 05:18, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

You mean kind of like a joke article? A bit of humor is fine, but if the trip is doable, I'd say don't make a joke of it. You might look at some of the articles linked in Next-to-impossible destinations. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:22, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

I might use Ashmore and Cartier Islands as a guide. It is doable, it's just that I don't think anyone will actually use this alone. SHB2000 (talk) 10:57, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

I think your article is looking good so far. Maybe the Ashmore and Cartier Island article reads like a joke because it's not written very well and has no information about why someone might want to visit, talks about what isn't there instead of what is, and is even a bit fuzzy on basic accessibility (It would really benefit from adding information provided by the Australian government. I'd suggest not trying to emulate that article. The Track and the few locations along it seem to have some history, so it shouldn't be too fill out as a legitimate travel article. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 14:41, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Tech News: 2021-16

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• Email to the Wikimedia wikis are handled by groups of Wikimedia editors. These volunteer response teams now use Znuny instead of OTRS. The functions and interface remain the same. The volunteer administrators will give more details about the next steps soon.
• If you use syntax highlighting, you can see line numbers in the 2010 and 2017 wikitext editors when editing templates. This is to make it easier to see line breaks or talk about specific lines. Line numbers will soon come to all namespaces.
• Because of a technical change there could be problems with gadgets and scripts that have an edit summary area that looks similar to this one. If they look strange they should use mw.loader.using('mediawiki.action.edit.styles') to go back to how they looked before.
• The latest version of MediaWiki came to the Wikimedia wikis last week. There was no Tech News issue last week.

Changes later this week

• There is no new MediaWiki version this week.

Future changes

• The user group oversight will be renamed suppress. This is for technical reasons. This is the technical name. It doesn't affect what you call the editors with this user right on your wiki. This is planned to happen in two weeks. You can comment in Phabricator if you have objections.

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Page protection

I've semi-protected your page (autoconfirmed only) for one week. Please let me know if you'd like it to be lifted before the week has expired, but I'd be reluctant to do so for the remainder of today.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 10:25, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for protecting my talk page. Hopefully this guy shall stop (changed my email address as well) but this doesn't seem like its going to stop for another week. I really don't see why a non autoconfirmed user would have a reason to post here apart from User:82.3.185.12. May also want to protect Vat's talk page as well. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 10:28, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks

	Sweepers' Club Membership Certificate
	Thanks for helping sweep old conversations off to relevant talk pages. Like housework, it's often best to do a little every day or every week, but we'd let the page get out of hand. Thanks for helping with the "spring cleaning". WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:38, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. This makes my day :) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 21:21, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

@WhatamIdoing:, just did my autumn clean (but cleared the same amount of stuff as a spring clean). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 05:34, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Is it called "autumn cleaning" in Australia? I've only ever heard "spring cleaning", and I didn't know whether the concept translated. WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:16, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Well, it's autumn here. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 21:05, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Your comment

See User talk:SHB2000/Archive 2021#Edit summary about discussing certain ideas. –LPfi (talk) 09:55, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

I understand you'd like to be part of the solution, but certain things lose their magic when called by name. –LPfi (talk) 09:56, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Anyway, I'll be stepping back from janitorial work for another 2 weeks. (Have other things - non wiki related to do) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 11:50, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

OK. Thanks for what you have been (and hopefully will be) doing. Just best to keep some things to oneself, or trusted channels. The less those whose edits we don't want know about how we find them, the better. And some of them may be following any on-wiki discussion. –LPfi (talk) 12:47, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Also, I'll be adding a button similar to the trout button on wikipedia for my overuse of slangs (and other stuff too). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 12:49, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Please don't talk in public about how our abuse filters work. The less trolls, vandals etc. know about them, the better, and whenever you say anything about the filters in public, some of them may be listening. I think this is the third time I am trying to tell this to you. If there is something unclear about it, do ask, but i don't want to have to keep saying this. –LPfi (talk) 22:08, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

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Wikidata weekly summary #465

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.

• Discussions
  • Other: Scientific papers' labels in other languages than English
• Events
  • Upcoming: Wikidata/Wikibase office hour, 16:00 UTC on Wednesday 28th April 2021 (18:00 Berlin time), on the Wikidata Telegram channel.
  • Upcoming: The next Wikibase live session is 16:00 UTC on Thursday 29th April 2021 (18:00 Berlin time). Everyone is welcome to come and share out about your project or what you're working on around Wikibase.
  • Upcoming: OpenStreetMap TW x Wikidata Taiwan

    “1867”

    ~ Oscar Wilde

Meetup 2021-05-10

• • COSCUP 2021 CFP is now open
  • Upcoming: LIVE Wikidata editing #42 - YouTube, Facebook, May 1
  • Upcoming: Online Wikidata meetup in Swedish #60, May 2

• Press, articles, blog posts, videos
  • User:Lucas Werkmeister/P642 considered harmful
  • New extension: Wikibase EDTF by Professional.Wiki (Demo video)
  • Videos
    • OpenStreetMap x Wikidata Meetup #27 - Wikidata Lexeme Teaching - LBRY, Odysee
    • (Workshop) Introduction to Wikidata by Lucie Aimée Kaffee
    • Graphic Possibilities Comics Wikidata Tutorial
    • SPARQL tutorial (in Portuguese)
    • An Introduction to Wikidata (in Malayalam)
    • Wikidata tutorials in Albanian (1, 2, 3, 4)
    • SPARQL #Wikidata back to basics (in French)
    • (Workshop) #1Lib1Ref​ on Wikidata
    • Adding an article to Wikidata by DOI (in Portuguese) - YouTube
    • LIVE Wikidata editing #41 - YouTube, Facebook
    • Working with Zotero on WiKidata (in Italian) - YouTube

• Tool of the week
  • User:So9q/AddNewLexemeMenu.js is a userscript that adds a section to the sidebar with links for creating new lexemes.

• Other Noteworthy Stuff
  • WMDE built two tools to help editors get a better understanding of the quality of Wikidata's data in a specific area of interest. Try them out and let us know what you think.
    • Item Quality Evaluator
    • Constraint Violation Checker
  • Collaborative translation of Cita is now available on translatewiki.net. Cita is a Wikidata addon that adds citations metadata support to Zotero, using cites work (P2860) information from Wikidata, and enabling users to easily contribute missing data. Cita is currently under development with a WikiCite grant from the Wikimedia Foundation, and presentation workshops will be held on May 27th (Spanish) and May 31st (English). More info and pre-registration here.
  • RaiseWikibase is a tool for speeding up multilingual knowledge graph construction with Wikibase. Among other features, it can be utilized to create a mini Wikibase instance with Wikidata properties in a few minutes.
  • SPARQL-Blockly is a tool to visualise and construct SPARQL queries as visual blocks (Wikidata example)
  • Wikibase/FAQ is a living document of a list of frequently asked questions about Wikibase. Community members are welcome to contribute to it.
  • RIP Liz Marley
• Did you know?
  • Newest properties:
    • General datatypes: ALA-LC romanization for Ukrainian
    • External identifiers: ANPI place numeric ID, National Provider Identifier, Dicionário Histórico-Biográfico Brasileiro ID, Brapci author ID, Wikiroute ID, Biographia Benedictina ID, Periodical ID in a database of the Ministry of Culture of the Czech Republic, National Database of Laws and Regulations ID, Russians of Latvia ID, Rekhta author ID, Washington Rare Plant Field Guide ID, DzygaMDB film ID, Bioguiden movie theater ID, MovieMeter person ID, Biblioteca Digital Curt Nimuendajú ID, SonyLIV show ID, Gyldendals Teaterleksikon ID, IAU member ID, LIMA media artist ID, Singers.com ID, HistoryLink essay number, inventory number of a work of art in the Art for the City database, Cimiterium ID, Smithsonian Ark ID, Oregon Poetic Voices poet ID, Encyclopedia of Korean Culture ID, Malaysian school code, Trap Danmark ID, Finna ID, Berliner Bezirkslexikon: Mitte ID, Berliner Bezirkslexikon: Charlottenburg-Wilmersdorf ID, Berliner Bezirkslexikon: Friedrichshain-Kreuzberg ID, Catalogue of the General State Archives ID, CofE archives ID
  • New property proposals to review:
    • General datatypes: accessibility statement URL, symbol represents, main upper course, Political Graveyard geography ID, diel cycle, Taxon holotype location, Smithsonian trinomial prefix, Digital Atlas of Idaho taxon ID, hardware threading standard
    • External identifiers: music austria ID, identifiant Localisation - Joconde du Service des musées de France, identifiant utilisation - Joconde du Service des musées de France, identifiant représentation - Joconde du Service des musées de France, NC Highway Historical Marker Program ID, Forbes (Russia) profile ID, Indiana State Historical Marker Program ID, Digital DISCI ID, The Draft Review ID 2, Reallexikon zur Deutschen Kunstgeschichte ID, Enzyklopädie des europäischen Ostens ID, National Historical Museums of Sweden agent ID, IUCN Green List ID, Gardens of the Roman Empire ID, Historic Hawai‘i Foundation ID, UNITER Award person ID, ID právnické osoby vedené Ministerstvem kultury ČR, CEV Team-ID, Anime Filler List show id, CEV Coach-ID, memento.wien person ID, MyBIS ID, Ultime lettere di condannati a morte e di deportati della Resistenza italiana person ID, am.hayazg.info ID, The Criterion Collection film ID, Digital Library of Armenian Literature author ID, Kielitoimiston sanakirja ID, Gopo Award ID, Director Identification Number, TheTVDB character ID, JECFA number, Norges Fotballforbund klubb ID, representatives1821.gr ID, Parliament of Romania person ID, Apple TV movie ID
  • Query examples:
    • Timeline of road vehicles crashing into Montague Street Bridge, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
    • Coal-fired power plants in Germany (Source)
    • Average lifespan by profession (Select the desired columns and get labels) (Source)
    • The number of natural disasters in various countries since 1970 (Source)
    • Heads of states/governments whose cause of death was a military casualty (Source)
    • List of French stations sorted by number of tracks (Source)
    • Relationship of the different Corona viruses (Source)
    • Map of about one third of the ancient trees in Bulgaria (Source)
    • Lexemes without statements or senses by language
  • Newest database reports: Doctor Who companions

• Development
  • wbeditentity now supports editing statements on Senses (phab:T199896)
  • We added syntax highlighting for viewing Entity Schema pages. There is not syntax highlighting for editing of Entity Schemas yet. (phab:T238831)
  • Improved the way Lua deals with redirects (phab:T238831)
  • Worked on making it possible to add a title to the top of a query visualization via a comment in the SPARQL code (phab:T225883)
  • Discussed how to get persistent storage of constraint violations unstuck as this is a prerequisite to making it easier to analyze and query constraint violations (phab:T214362)
  • Discussed a high-level plan for how to move forward with checking Wikidata's data against 3rd-party databases
  • Finished work on version 1 of the Query Builder. Not it is awaiting security review before we can deploy it.

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer.

• Monthly Tasks
  • Add labels, in your own language(s), for the new properties listed above.
  • Comment on property proposals: all open proposals
  • Contribute to a Showcase item.
  • Help translate or proofread the interface and documentation pages, in your own language!
  • Help merge identical items across Wikimedia projects.
  • Take a list of cities in your country, add {{Item documentation}} in the talk page and have fun looking at people born in this place ordered by number of sitelinks. You may have some surprises!
  • Help write the next summary!

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Tech News: 2021-17

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• Templates have parameters that can have specific values. It is possible to suggest values for editors with TemplateData. You can soon see them as a drop-down list in the visual editor. This is to help template users find the right values faster.

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 27 April. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 28 April. It will be on all wikis from 29 April (calendar).

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21:25, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Hey

I hope your break goes well. I look forward to seeing you again later in May. Ground Zero (talk) 11:04, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

@Ground Zero:, Thanks for the message. While I did look at this message before I left, I didn't have time to respond to it. I'm now back, a few days early, seeing the internet almost after a week. Almost forgot how to use my computer and it certainly feels different using it again. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 08:13, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Towns vs. Cities in the UK

The definition of a city is weird in the UK. It is a large town, sometimes with a cathedral. However there is also the City of London, built on the site of the Roman town Londinium. So it is normally one of three things:

• A town with a large cathedral
• An old Roman town
• A large town

Hope this helps 82.3.185.12 13:19, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

It aye confusin'. The definition of town is weird here (i.e. Adelaide being called a country town) but those have now been only used colloquially. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 13:21, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Whack! You've been whacked with a wet trout for using too much Aussie slang Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know you've been using too much slang 82.3.185.12 13:22, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

I'm assuming "it aye confusin" is Aussie slang. :) 82.3.185.12 13:23, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Yes it is. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 13:24, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Tech News: 2021-18

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• Twinkle is a gadget on English Wikipedia. It can help with maintenance and patrolling. It can now be used on other wikis. You can get Twinkle on your wiki using the twinkle-starter GitHub repository.

Problems

• The content translation tool did not work for many articles for a little while. This was because of a bug.
• Some things will not work for about a minute on 5 May. This will happen around 06:00 UTC. This will affect the content translation tool and notifications among other things. This is because of an upgrade to avoid crashes.

Changes later this week

• Reference Previews will become a default feature on a number of wikis on 5 May. This is later than planned because of some changes. You can use it without using Page Previews if you want to. The earlier plan was to have the preference to use both or none.
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 4 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 5 May. It will be on all wikis from 6 May (calendar).

Future changes

• The CSS classes .error, .warning and .success do not work for mobile readers if they have not been specifically defined on your wiki. From June they will not work for desktop readers. This can affect gadgets and templates. The classes can be defined in MediaWiki:Common.css or template styles instead.

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15:43, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #466

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.

• Events
  • Past: Wikidata+Wikibase office hour happened on April 28th. See notes here (English).
  • Upcoming: International Museum Day, May 3-18, including a Wikidata competition
  • Upcoming: Basics about SPARQL queries live on Twitch and in French by Vigneron, May 4 at 18:00 CEST
  • Upcoming: Scholia - Open Bibliometrics for Researchers webinar on Zoom, May 5 at 10h30 UTC (free, but registration needed)
  • Upcoming: LIVE Wikidata editing #42 - YouTube, Facebook, May 8
  • Upcoming: Online Wikidata meetup in Swedish #61, May 9
  • Upcoming: the next Wikidata bug triage hour will take place on May 17th on the topic of quality constraints
  • Upcoming: Wikimedia Hackathon, May 22-23. The call for proposals for the program is now open until May 9th for the main track (May 19th for the open rooms) More information

• Press, articles, blog posts, videos
  • Blogs
    • WBStack Infrastructure - current deployment and architecture of wbstack.com
  • Videos
    • Mix'n'match workshop in (Italian) - YouTube
    • SPARQL #Wikidata back to basics (in French) - YouTube
    • Wikidata Lab XXVIII: Metadata applications (a technical training on the process of metadata applications development) - YouTube
    • Upload workshop (in Dutch) - datacleaning, reconciliation, upload, embed metadata with exiftool & Upload images with Pattypan and link with Wikidata.
    • LIVE Wikidata editing #42 - YouTube, Facebook
    • Overview of all LIVE Wikidata editing episodes including topics and tools used to make search easier

• Tool of the week
  • Wikinegata is a platform for browsing interesting negations about Wikidata entities. (Overview video)

• Other Noteworthy Stuff
  • Template:Item classification and Template:Item documentation now include more generic queries for classes: it include the number of subclasses, the number of instances, the number of instances by class, the list of instances and the list of most frequent properties for items of this class.
  • TP organization now includes generic queries for items of class school.
  • Over 3,000,000 usages of taxon name (P225)

• Did you know?
  • Newest properties:
    • General datatypes: field of usage, artist files at, accessibility statement URL, degrees day, Beirut Arab University's Libraries title ID
    • External identifiers: J! Archive player ID, CofE archives name ID, HERO ID, GLEI RAL, Archdiocese of Liverpool parish ID, Yukon Archives authority record ID, CofE archives place ID, NC Highway Historical Marker Program ID, National Historical Museums of Sweden agent ID, Australian Thesaurus of Education Descriptors ID, Enzyklopädie des europäischen Ostens ID, Reallexikon zur Deutschen Kunstgeschichte ID, Oregon Flora Image Project ID, Digital DISCI ID
  • New property proposals to review:
    • General datatypes: Clubhouse account, Danmarks Tekniske Kulturarv book ID, hat Gedenkort, Secondary Archive artist ID, date of probate
    • External identifiers: LMIC musician ID, DC Books store book ID, ctext data entity ID, SAIA authority ID, AdServio school ID, Apple Music label ID, MacArthur Fellows Program ID, Encyclopedia of China Online Database ID, DHLE, APA Dictionary of Psychology entry, Scholarpedia article ID, Biology Online Biology Dictionary entry, Biblioteca di Santa Sabina ID, Biblioteche della Custodia di Terra Santa a Gerusalemme ID, Universal equine life number, Auschwitz Prisoners Database ID, Nevada SHPO marker ID, Sigla ID, Bing Entity ID, light characteristic, Lexikon der österreichischen Provenienzforschung ID, Identificativo Polo bibliografico della Ricerca, LTit person ID
  • Query examples:
    • List number of albums (Q482994) by language (P407) in descending order (Source)
    • Map of Scottish council areas (Source)
    • Databases with a SPARQL endpoint, sorted by number of ids known by Wikidata (Source)
    • List of actors and actresses who died during 2020 (Source)
  • Newest database reports: new screenwriters

• Development
  • Entity Schemas now have syntax highlighting for viewing (phab:T238831, example)
  • Reviewing a patch that will make it possible to use templates on d:MediaWiki:Wikibase-SortedProperties. This will for example make it possible to show labels automatically for each Property ID. Thanks, Luca! (phab:T280787)
  • Evaluated the interviews and other research we did around improvements for lexicographical data
  • Worked on/fixed small remaining bugs in the Query Builder (phab:T280505, phab:T279928, phab:T279945)
  • Continuing to work on evaluating and addressing scaling issues of the Query Service
  • Provided input to a research team working on a potential new and improved Property Suggester
  • Wikibase: we are completing the final tasks necessary to prepare the Wikibase Spring release and expect to publish new versions of the tarball and Docker images on or before May 15, 2021

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer.

• Monthly Tasks
  • Add labels, in your own language(s), for the new properties listed above.
  • Comment on property proposals: all open proposals
  • Suggested and open tasks!
  • Contribute to a Showcase item.
  • Help translate or proofread the interface and documentation pages, in your own language!
  • Help merge identical items across Wikimedia projects.
  • Help write the next summary!

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Thank you for ...

...nominating me for administrator. I just looked around for a place to leave some kind of closing statement, but maybe there isn't one? Maybe here. I promise not to break anything. :) I have a hunch there may be a bit less trouble now; the obsessed individual tends to go where he is less likely to be recognized. But I will help with any tasks where I can assist. -- Anyway, I just got back from a hiking trip and am about to go on another one. Will look at adminny stuff in a bit. All the best -- Antandrus (talk) 14:25, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

• @Antandrus: It looks like Ikan Kekek changed your status. Congratulations, and welcome aboard. Ground Zero (talk) 15:23, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Yes, welcome! –LPfi (talk) 20:07, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, Wikivoyage will greatly benefit. And I can tell our californian articles will improve. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 21:23, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

By the way, do you hike out at Arizona or the US east coast or somewhere not in North America? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 07:31, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

And finally, enjoy your time being an admin here. Could you also protect my enwiki talk page? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 07:35, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

@Antandrus:, and while now GRP will start calling me a sockpuppet, it's all worth it. You definitely deserve to be an admin, and I hope everything's going good for you in California. Is mandatory masks a thing there? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 11:26, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Indoors, yes - but it's now pretty much optional outdoors. I've been climbing in the mountains a lot and people aren't wearing masks much. Most of us are vaccinated now. I just bought my first plane tickets since before the pandemic. Time to get out again.

FYI, there's another LTA active - w:WP:LTA/Wikinger - he imitates GRP all the time. Often when GRP is being disruptive, Wikinger shows up to make it worse if he can. There are a couple reliable ways to tell them apart that I won't divulge publicly, but it doesn't really matter since they're both WMF-banned. "All vandals are the same vandal" can be kind of a useful philosophy. Antandrus (talk) 14:29, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

I'm well aware of Wikinger, although he's not on WV from what I can tell. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 21:16, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Wearing pink pants

Huh? I'm guessing this is one of those dead letters that's still on the books but never enforced. If so, we shouldn't include it in a serious article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:34, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

I agree. If it's is intended as an amusing side note, it should be identified as such, or left out. Ground Zero (talk) 22:01, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

It was an old law but yes it was enforced, I learnt it when I was studying law. Still a law that's still in force today but no one really pings or is nitpicky on this law anymore. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 06:18, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Tech News: 2021-19

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 11 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 12 May. It will be on all wikis from 13 May (calendar).

Future changes

• You can see what participants plan to work on at the online Wikimedia hackathon 22–23 May.

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15:10, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: April 2021

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Travel Rant..

Thanks for the additions..

You plan to look over some of the pre-existing ones as well? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 08:05, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

Already looked at them. A few quotes that my mates have said when going to the outback. Classic Aussie - especially with the unnecessary f bombs in them. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 08:07, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

I've also been told by some Australian visitors in London to NEVER order certain 'export' brands of alcoholic beverage if I ever visit Sydney. Perhaps this is something that could be looked into as advice for some articles? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 08:24, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

No one in my family drinks so I don't know about alcoholic beverages. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 08:26, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

"I've also been told by some Australian visitors in London to NEVER order certain 'export' brands of alcoholic beverage if I ever visit Sydney" -- would that be Foster's? Sounds like it might be. It's what the rest of the world thinks Australians drink, not what we actually do. Vaticidalprophet (talk) 08:42, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

possibly, although everyone in sydney (that i know) drinks vittoria beer, corona, or a champagne (more females) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 08:45, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

Star Wars tourism

Why did you revert my edit. By doing so, information that was correct is now incorrect. The edit was not done by Brendan John Williams, but it was the only edit on Wikivoyage by Folley5851. Asked by: FredTC (talk) 06:52, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Brendo creates sock accounts - and 99% of the accounts ending in 2-4 numbers are his. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 06:53, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

By the way, Brendan John Williams is just Telstra - which I call brendo. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 06:54, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

But why do you make correct information incorrect??? --FredTC (talk) 06:57, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Block evasion is block evasion: but this is more ban evasion SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 07:00, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

A bit of discretion is needed when dealing with the Telstra guy. Most of his edits are very poor quality or factually incorrect and should be reverted on sight, but on the odd occasion he contributes something positive to an article, it's better to keep it, particularly when a third user (in this case FredTC) has confirmed the edit was good. Whether we revert or not has no effect on Telstra's behaviour, so we might as well benefit from his occasional moments of brilliance.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 09:05, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

The easy way I use to identify his edits non-username related is it almost certainly is just an added listing. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 10:13, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Tech News: 2021-20

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• There is a new toolbar in the Reply tool. It works in the wikitext source mode. You can enable it in your preferences.
• Wikimedia mailing lists are being moved to Mailman 3. This is a newer version. For the character encoding to work it will change from UTF-8 to utf8mb3.
• An earlier issue of Tech News said that the citoid API would handle dates with a month but no days in a new way. This has been reverted for now. There needs to be more discussion of how it affects different wikis first.

Changes later this week

• MediaWiki:Pageimages-blacklist will be renamed MediaWiki:Pageimages-denylist. The list can be copied to the new name. It will happen on 19 May for some wikis and 20 May for some wikis. Most wikis don't use it. It lists images that should never be used as thumbnails for articles.
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 18 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 19 May. It will be on all wikis from 20 May (calendar).

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13:50, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Growth Newsletter #18

Welcome to the eighteenth newsletter from the Growth team!

The Growth team's objective is to work on software changes that help retain new contributors in mid-size Wikimedia projects.

Structured tasks

A screenshot of "add a link" feature in development in beta.

"Add a link" is now being tested in production and is nearing release on our four pilot wikis (Arabic, Czech, Vietnamese, and Bengali Wikipedias). We'll be doing final tests this week and next week, and then plan to deploy to the four wikis either during May 24 week, or May 31 week. After two weeks, we will analyze the initial data to identify any problems or trends. We expect that this feature will engage new kinds of newcomers in easy and successful edits. If things are going well after four weeks, we'll progressively deploy it to the wikis with Growth features.

News for mentors

Mockup of the Mentor dashboard.

• We are currently working on a Mentor dashboard. This special page aims to help mentors be more proactive and be more successful at their role. The first iteration will include a table that shows an overview of the mentors current mentees, a module with their own settings, and a module that will allow them to store their best replies to their mentees questions.
• We've conducted our quarterly audit on Growth's four pilot wikis to see the activity of mentors. It appears that the vast majority of mentors are active.

Community configuration

Community configuration editing form under development

We are working on project to allow communities to manage the configuration of the Growth features on their own. In the past, communities have needed to work directly with the Growth team to set up and alter the features. We plan to put this capability in the hands of administrators, through an easy-to-use form, so that the features can be easily tailored to fit the needs of each community. While we developed it initially for Growth features, we think this approach could have uses in other features as well. We'll be trying this on our pilot wikis in the coming weeks, and then we'll bring it to all Growth wikis soon after. We hope you check out the project page and add any of your thoughts to the talk page.

Scaling

• Growth features are now available on 35 wikis. Here is the list of the most recent ones: Romanian Wikipedia, Danish Wikipedia, Thai Wikipedia, Indonesian Wikipedia, Croatian Wikipedia, Albanian Wikipedia, Esperanto Wikipedia, Hindi Wikipedia, Norwegian Bokmål Wikipedia, Japanese Wikipedia, Telugu Wikipedia, Spanish Wikipedia, Simple English Wikipedia, Malay Wikipedia, Tamil Wikipedia, Greek Wikipedia, Catalan Wikipedia.
• A new group of Wikipedias has been defined for the deployment of Growth features. Please contact us if you have questions about the deployment process, or if your community likes to get the features in advance.
• After discussion with the English Wikipedia community, the Growth features will be tested on a small percentage of new accounts. At the moment, registered users can test the features by turning them on in their preferences.

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15:23, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Welcoming

I am not too enthusiastic over your welcoming Frigley after one edit about Sharpeville, which in lights of the Sharpeville massacre seems rather, uhm, biased. I think one should wait with welcoming until a user has made clearly good faith edits. –LPfi (talk) 12:35, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Sure, I'll keep that in mind. Forgot NPOV isn't a thing here. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 12:38, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

 ???

You mean with NPOV we would mention the convicted people, ignoring the well-known massacre? One could argue that from the point of History of Justice the conviction process was more important than the event, but the user did nothing to put the listing in such context. Also, I suppose the edit was by a long time acquaintance of ours, using a throw-away account as usual.

–LPfi (talk) 13:13, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Whack!

Whack! You've been whacked with a wet barra (barramundi) for using too much Aussie slang Don't take this too seriously. FredTC just wants to let you know you've been using too much slang This slang is not very helpfull for travelers who know Woolworths by name/experience but who are not native Australians. --FredTC (talk) 09:59, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

@FredTC: - I changed it as:

1. That's what comes up in their ads

2. Locals tend to always say woolies, and saying woolworths just makes you a target, especially in the not so safe city of Casino.

SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 10:03, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

East Antarctica flights

I hope you could elaborate on this. "A bunch of" is not really helpful, and could be misinterpreted. Several planes every now and then? I doubt. While we want lively writing, information on getting in should be to the point. What I can see there is no information on these planes in Antarctica#Get in or East Antarctica (which refers to the former). –LPfi (talk) 10:45, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

I know certain airlines have flights from Hobart. can't remember which ones though. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 10:54, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

Could you please try to find some information, or reword not to promise too much. –LPfi (talk) 10:55, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

First thing tomorrow morning. (ACST) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 10:57, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! –LPfi (talk) 12:11, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

See ya' tomorrow (click the slang button if you think this is slang). Will need to get some sleep in me. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 12:14, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

@LPfi:, oops, I was meant to respond to this last week, but I totally forgot. Sorry about that. But there are some Qantas flights, although not many. Most are chartered but some are not. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 11:56, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Sigh

I think Ikan Kekek was referring to me there. I was going back in to soften my comment anyway. I don't wish to squabble with him (or anyone). Responding to a comment like that immediately is not a good idea. I should have take more time to consider my response. Regards, Ground Zero (talk) 10:53, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

I thought it was me, as a similar comment on Talk:Frankenstein but towards me. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 11:04, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

You mean the idea that no travel topics are legitimate articles? That was my reading of SHB2000's comments, not yours. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:02, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

@Ikan Kekek: Thank you for clarifying. Ground Zero (talk) 21:05, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

When did I say it's not a legit article? Yes, they are, but I was referring to real destinations, which have a lot more meaning. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 00:15, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Outing

Please don't use real names of other people. User names and designations used on Meta or en-wp, such as "GRP" are OK if you need to clarify. Often that clarification is indeed not needed. Real names should be treated as confidential unless a user has added it to their user page themselves (and not removed it later), or it is in clearly widespread friendly use (such as some calling names used among regulars). Sometimes a connection might have to be called out, but it seldom needs to be done publicly.

In a general discussion about how to handle LTA, and what tools would help in that context, there is usually no need to specify individuals. Those participating in the discussion usually have enough experience to know the patterns, either from elsewhere or because they have dealt with them here lately. In most discussions among regulars, we very well know whom we are talking about without mentioning any names.

–LPfi (talk) 11:14, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

So would BJW be an example of not outing, since it was Telstra's original username.

Also with GRP, one, in one of his harassment emails, he sent his name, and two, have a look at this edit on Wikisource. I've had a look at Antandrus' contributions in all english wikimedia projects, except Wikispecies. Since he's also bad-mouthed me on a couple of websites, attacking me, and continually spams my old email, which I don't use anymore. In some of his vandalistic edits, (cant find any revs) he's even outed his own name. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 11:37, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

You can remove this comment and rev del this if you want, but here's some revisions that may give you an idea of how his name is public. . While GRP hasn't been vandalising Wikivoyage for a month now, I doubt this will be the case when the protection expires tomorrow. But can you remove the protection a day earlier, I'm sort of sick and tired of trying to maintain two talk pages, if only 82 creates an account. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 11:45, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

BJW would probably be OK. A user name is not confidential information, unless you have outed yourself with one name (such as many do for their photos on Commons) while keeping your identity secret with another. I do think Antandrus says too much. Telling ones name to you is not making the information public. If I tell you mine, it's confidential information, and although he might not have a plan on what to say and not to say, we should treat any personal details that weren't common knowledge from before as privileged. This includes things that can be dug up from public logs and page histories.

I am sorry that you get all this harassment, but we need to be professional in not bawling out or unveiling privileged information.

–LPfi (talk) 07:33, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the info! I will archive this early in 2 days as this exact thread is a target for GRP. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 09:31, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Go ahead, as soon as you wish. –LPfi (talk) 09:34, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

I might wait for 5, as if anyone else might come up with something. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 09:36, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

"I do think Antandrus says too much" -- you are right, and I know it too. We should probably change our overall approach and not use his name at all. Just quietly remove his sputter and point people to the LTA page when necessary. Antandrus (talk) 16:26, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

"This includes things that can be dug up from public logs and page histories." - no. Anything public is public and can be referenced and reused under the WMF ToS. I had to tell the same thing to User:ThunderingTyphoons! who complained about my linking that anon user with their actual account and called it "outing". Seems to be a project-specific thing. Overall, I do not believe that SHB2000 made a mistake. Leaderboard (talk) 17:22, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

You may be right in terms of ToS and law, but that is only part of the picture.

I strongly believe in respecting people's privacy. Especially in this time, everything about anybody can be deduced from non-secret information, and I think collecting, sorting and publishing the information is not something to do. When I speak with my friends in the bus, or in the street, even in my yard, I know that people around can hear what I say, but I'd be disappointed if they told what they heard on Facebook next day, coupled to my identity, which they recognised or found out by an image search. I like the rule on the communication radio: anybody listening on the channel can hear what you say, but they may not tell anybody.

There are things that must be said, that fellow administrators (and perhaps other trusted fellows) must know to fight vandalism effectively, but about such things one should tell only what is useful for others to know, and they should understand that they got the information in confidence.

–LPfi (talk) 20:09, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

I'll openly admit that I'm a person who prefers names, over usernames, but I myself do not like to reveal my name, even in emails. While some people openly reveal their name in their usernames (e.g. User:Ikan Kekek, User:Anirban Kolkata or User:KevRobbAU/SCO) while others reveal their first names on their userpages.

And to say, I do know User:ThunderingTyphoons!', User:LivelyRatification's and User:Ground Zero's full names, but I still use TT and GZ due to privacy.

I could've had my name outed, after an edit war with someone on enwp, after continual edit warring due to w:WP:NOR, but instead he chose to out me on instagram instead of wikipedia. And I do certainly agree with LPfi here with the radio rule.

And Leaderboard, and for outing 82's old ID, tbh, I also did not think it was outing as if you follow a set of certain pages, you could find the old username. I know it was not a mistake, but I believe this was done upon 82's request.

--SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 23:54, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

I do not reveal my name to people I don't trust and don't want it broadcast. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:31, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

So is Ikan not your first name? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 05:33, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

After reading your userpage, I see what Ikan Kekek means: "Ikan Kekek is the name of a Malaysian fish and a children's song" That makes sense. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 05:51, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Barncompass indexation

Hiya, should it not be clear, this is a response to your pitch in the pub. I'm much in favour of the idea I'm hearing, but I feel like there's some vague spots in the pitch that allow people to misinterpret your intentions. The concept as I understand it largely comes down to making barncompasses somewhat like {{Rint}}, in which standard transit lines are made more easily accessible through a template, aside from the fact that this one would, of course, print barncompasses rather than tram and metro lines :)

Since I did a lot of work on RINT myself, and felt like a mock-up of the idea might help your cause, I've gone ahead and made a mock-up based off of what I think you're trying to achieve. I don't want to deviate the discussion in the pub, so hence why I'm notifying you directly. Right now, there's two templates, and that's all it would need:

• BC. This would be a customisable version of {{Barncompass}}, making it modular and thus removing the need for a 1:1 ratio of templates and barncompasses where every type of barncompass has a template for itself. It allows for customisation of not only the text, but also allowing one to easily pick the image (|img=), scale it (|size=) and add a different title (|title=).
• BCindex then uses that modular template to recreate existing barncompasses, and allow for indexation of future barncompasses. Ideally, it would replace {{Barncompass}} as it stands now. I can assure you that it wouldn't break any existing barncompasses using that template. For now, all that works is the silver, gold, sysop and default variations. When a barncompass isn't found, it defaults to display the entered parameter (or in other words, everything after {{Barncompass|) as plain text in a default barncompass, thus not breaking any of the existing barncompasses should this be moved into {{Barncompass}} itself.

As a very brief how-to: {{User:Wauteurz/BCindex|}} is the template you use. Follow this by the code, for example silver, and follow this with your text, separated by a pipe (|). You can omit the compass code (silver, in this example) and it will print a default barncompass with anything else specified after the template name printed as the accompanying text. Both of them print as follows:

{{User:Wauteurz/BCindex|silver|This is a silver barncompass!}}	The Silver Barncompass This is a silver barncompass!
{{User:Wauteurz/BCindex|This is a barncompass without a specified code.}}	The Wikivoyage Barncompass This is a barncompass without a specified code.

I'm not trying to steal the idea from you, should that not be obvious. Unless you honestly want me to, I won't work this out further to become a proper usable template set, since you asked whether it is something that you should do or not, and I don't intend to rob you of your projects - I have plenty of my own. If you go for it though, might I suggest you use ISO 3166-1, Alpha 3 codes for countries and regions as well as the names of countries for their indexation? In any case, let me know whether this is what you meant or how else I should interpret your pitch, and I can alter the mock-up accordingly if you want me to. I honestly think it's a great idea, and I'd like to see it succeed. If you need the help, just let me know. I'd be more than happy to help you with developing this idea :)
-- Wauteurz (talk) 14:00, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so much. I'd love a mate to work this alongside me. So if I put {{BC|type=AU|message=message xyz}}, that's the way to avoid confusion with the original Barncompass? I'm not that great with coding (apart from html), so any help will be greatly appreciated. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 00:09, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

No worries! The templates I linked above are both still in my userspace, so you'll have to use User:Wauteurz/BCindex as the template name to call it correctly for the time being. I've added a few Barnstars of National Merit (BoNM) from Wikipedia as placeholders for barncompasses, and they can be accessed through either the ISO 3166-1 α3 code I linked above (i.e., the three-letter code assigned to that country), or the full name of the country, removing any spaces. The current options are:

• Australia: aus or australia
• New Zealand: nzl or newzealand
• Papua New Guinea: png or papuanewguinea
• Vanuatu: vut or vanuatu

And for clarity, BC is the bare barncompass, and does not know how to make any other barncompass than the default by itself. Using BC, the Australian BoNM would have to be called by specifying what it looks like: {{User:Wauteurz/BC|img=BoNM - Australia Hires.png|title=The Australian Barnstar|[your text here]}}. BCindex is the index of pre-configured barncompasses, and for that you can simply define {{User:Wauteurz/BCindex|aus|[your text here]}} instead. BCindex is the template that the compass-gifter would see. BC is the template the compass-maker would use to create new or custom barncompasses. In an ideal world, I would move BCindex into what is now {{Barncompass}} (it won't break existing barncompasses unless they're defined in a weird way), and BC would become something along the lines of {{Barncompass base}}, ideally with a redirect from {{BC}} so that the codes in BCindex can be kept a bit shorter. I've done this with RINT as well - RINT calls {{Routebox entry}}, which is abbreviated as {{RbE}} (and RINT itself is an abbreviation of {{Rail-interchange}}), but I digress.

Also note that the parameters used in BCindex do not have to be defined. In other words, you don't have to tell it what parameter you're trying to define (|type= and |message= in your example). It checks what parameter you're defining by its order. Therefore, the Barncompass's code has to be defined first, followed by the message. See this as the organisation you also use on your PC. You would generally put images in the folder for images, so you have to open that before you can view any images. Here you have to tell BCindex that you're wanting to access the Australian BoNM, and then tell it the text you want it to print within that. This could be expanded to include subregions, such as the US states. Those could be put on a 'folder' within the USA 'folder', so that California is accessed through {{User:Wauteurz/BCindex|usa|ca|[your text here]}}. This would then remove the need to use three-letter codes, and we could switch to the two-letter codes instead, which tend to be better known because they largely match the top level domains for these countries. I haven't made a real look-up page for it, but if you want to check the current codes, jump into the source code of BCindex and see for yourself. The template is somewhat annotated with <!-- NOTES -->.

I hope that answers your questions :)
-- Wauteurz (talk) 12:18, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 12:35, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

And sorry for stealing your template, but I did do some experimenting with it. Might do a bit more to see how it turns out. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 13:12, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

No problem whatsoever. Feel free. I don't know if you want me to, but I can add some extra options for customisation to the barncompass base template (User:Wauteurz/BC). Think of things like definable colours for the border and background. Also, the template you copied uses the switch-function. If you aren't familiar with it, you'll find some documentation and examples on MediaWiki and Wikipedia. I would suggest that you put some of the subregions of Australia that you added under Australia itself as a switch-function on the second parameter. I'll copy your additions into the version on my userspace with that structure, should you want it as reference. I'll leave the one in your own userspace for you to play around with. If there's anything that you can't manage to change or fix, then please shoot me a message! I'm happy to help out.
-- Wauteurz (talk) 13:45, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Tip

Reaction on your last edit. With 4x "-" you get a long line in the full width of the page. With many "_" you get a page that can have a horizontal scrolling bar. So, "----" makes:

---

--FredTC (talk) 0