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Hello, this is just an archive of my talk page. New threads get archived after 14 days of inactivity. Due to my username change in April, all threads here with my old username have been modified to have my new one. Any remaining ones will be deliberately left, either since the username is the topic issue. FYI, my old username can be deciphered by reading #Name change. So now most messages will have "SHB2000" in it, and not my old one to prevent confusion. This thread also contains messages from my IP talk page as well.

Welcome!

Hello, SHB2000! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

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Also I have blocked ThePikerWorm. If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask! Gizza (roam) 03:59, 26 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

Thank you so much for your kind message and blocking User:ThePikerWorm. I'll try and create as many Australian Articles as possible. SHB2000 (talk) 04:01, 26 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

@DaGizza: How do I add a map to Grand Pacific Drive? Thanks, SHB2000 (talk) 04:26, 26 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

Crop tool

Welcome, and thank you for your contributions. I've cropped the banner for Golden Highway. It is actually quite easy to use the Crop Tool, so you might want to try it yourself. You copy the filename of your picture from the commons, set the ratio to 7:1, then re-size the box to select the part of the picture you want to use. A new filename is created, which you can copy before hitting the Upload button. Best regards, Ground Zero (talk) 14:01, 26 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

Stubs

Thank you for starting the Australian Tourist Drive articles. Are you planning to expand these articles? The Grand Pacific Drive article is pretty good, but the other articles don't really provide very much information for travellers. For example, they don't explain why you'd want to drive those routes. They also don't identify what there is to see along the way. I'm not not sure what these articles really do for the reader. I am hoping to see more, as I plan to do a driving trip in Australia in the coming years, and these articles, if they are expanded could be very useful to me. Regards, Ground Zero (talk) 03:03, 30 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

Yes I am, when I get a little more time. Hope you have a good time here. SHB2000 (talk) 03:38, 30 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Ground Zero: Just did a run through of Tourist Drive 33, so it's probably the next one going to be written. SHB2000 (talk) 00:44, 31 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hello. Having looked at your articles, I would recommend filling out the ones you've already started before starting any more. Even the Grand Pacific Drive article doesn't have the route description, which is the most important part of an itinerary. Just look at it this way - the more time you spend on creating new stubs, the less time you've got to improve the articles you've already created. All the best, ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 09:09, 31 January 2021 (UTC)Reply
Thanks TravelAroundOz. I've added a map to Grand Pacific Drive. If you've added the wikidata links to destinations in your article, the map is generated automatically when you put this in the article: {{mapframe|zoom=8}}
You can zoom in with a bigger number or zoom out with a smaller number. Keep up the good work. Ground Zero (talk) 13:05, 31 January 2021 (UTC)Reply
@Ground Zero: Hey Ground Zero, would Tourist Drive 33 still be a stub now? SHB2000 (talk) 08:42, 6 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

Template

@DaGizza, Ground Zero:Yep, thanks. Off topic, but I've just created a template called {{Uw-vandalism2}} similar to the one on en wiki. Make for people like User:ThePikerWorm (no it's for vandals not just him). Does it need approval?
If I may: I recommend not using it. Wikivoyage policy is deny recognition. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:41, 1 February 2021 (UTC)Reply
I see. Definitely, not like en.wiki or commons SHB2000 (talk) 10:48, 1 February 2021 (UTC)Reply
Nope. Although "deny recognition" is a Wikipedia guideline, too, it's not at all universally observed there. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:00, 1 February 2021 (UTC)Reply
TAO: With fewer active editors and fewer administrators, the Wikivoyage community has found it necessary to take much faster action with vandals. The Wikipedia approach of being gentle and encouraging them to become constructive editors doesn't work here: we usually move very quickly to shut them down. We have had to deal with several very persistent vandals who are clever at exploiting the system, so we block very quickly, and hide their vandalism from view to discourage them. Regards, Ground Zero (talk) 12:59, 1 February 2021 (UTC)Reply
I see. Definitely different from en wiki. SHB2000 (talk) 06:05, 2 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

[Outdent] Further on templates: Before you make loads and loads of templates, please read Wikivoyage:Using MediaWiki templates#New MediaWiki template proposals:

Before a new MediaWiki template is put into general use it needs to be discussed and accepted as good or preferably best practice. Until such acceptance, new templates will be tagged {{experimental}}, and should not be added to more than one low-visibility article—so not Paris. (If other editors object to that addition, though, expect it to be removed until a consensus is reached.) If new templates fail to gain community support, they will eventually be deleted.[etc.]

And what are you doing, redirecting your user talk page? I've never seen this done before, and it strikes me as hostile to all other users and smacks of vandalism to me. I would urge you to put this back into your standard user talk page. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:05, 12 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

Formatting

Hey TAO, I restored my edits on this article. Wikivoyage, like other travel guides, tries to use a consistent style for formatting times and dates, phone numbers, prices, and do on. It makes it easier for the reader to find information quickly. Using a variety of styles, as the article did before I cleaned it up, makes it looks sloppy and unreliable. Wv:tdf sets out one style for countries that use the 24-hour clock (e.g., 09:00-17:00), and one style for countries that use the 12-hour clock (e.g., 9AM-5PM). A destination article should never use both formats, as this one did — it's more confusing for the reader. The talk page for each country article identifies the style we use for that country's articles in a box at the top of the page.

If you disagree with Wikivoyage style, or with the style selected for any country, you can propose changes on the appropriate talk page.

Also, the edits you undid included a bunch of capitalisation, grammar, punctuation and formatting corrections. I have restored the lot of them. Regards, Ground Zero (talk) 01:59, 7 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

Whoops, sorry about that. But which page do I go to? SHB2000 (talk) 02:05, 7 February 2021 (UTC)Reply
As well as that, would Tourist Drive 33 still be a stub now or an outline. SHB2000 (talk) 02:06, 7 February 2021 (UTC)Reply
You restored a mix of formatting styles, so I'm not really clear what it is you are trying to do. If you disagree with Wikivoyage time formatting, raise it at Wikivoyage talk:Time and date formats. If you think we should use the 24-hour format in Aus articles, raise it at Talk:Australia. Ground Zero (talk) 03:05, 7 February 2021 (UTC)Reply
Yes, I'm saying we should use 24hr time in Aussie articles. But would TD33 be a stub now? SHB2000 (talk) 03:07, 7 February 2021 (UTC)Reply
I have upgraded Torist Drive 33 to "outline". I think it would be "usable" if each of the places under "Drive" had a short description. Ground Zero (talk) 03:09, 7 February 2021 (UTC)Reply
Cheers mate, I'll do it in the next 3 days. SHB2000 (talk) 03:11, 7 February 2021 (UTC)Reply
@Ground Zero: All of the places under "drive" now have a description and as such, would it now be usable. SHB2000 (talk) 08:33, 7 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

Welcoming

Hi again.

Thanks for your efforts with sending welcome messages, but would you mind leaving that to other users until you get more experience editing? Part of the purpose of such messages is for the new user to have someone to contact if they need any help but don't know how to use or aren't aware other resources like article talk pages, the Pub, Arrivals lounge etc. In this event, it's best for the person who helps them to have at least a few months' experience, otherwise it's likely they won't know the best way to help. There's also no point welcoming users with no editing history on Wikivoyage; we normally wait until either a person has made several edits or until one of their edits requires discussion. You can see a user's contributions by looking in the left sidebar on their user page, or else by searching Special/Contribution:username.

Finally, remember that whenever you post on a talk page, it's important to sign your post by typing four tildes in a row like this: ~~~~. You'd think after 20 years, the Wikimedia Foundation would have devised a way for talk page posts to sign automatically on desktop mode, but unfortunately they haven't.

Any questions, don't hesitate to ask. The tourist drives are coming together nicely.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 11:21, 8 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

Sure mate SHB2000 (talk) 11:24, 8 February 2021 (UTC)Reply
Also hard to believe 20 years. SHB2000 (talk) 11:28, 8 February 2021 (UTC)Reply
Ikr. I don't think I was aware of Wikipedia till about 2006.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 11:32, 8 February 2021 (UTC)Reply
Also, I'm a bit confused on what to name Alternate Tourist Drive 24. Should I put "(Queensland)" in brackets or not? Not many people will know where it is, unlike 33.
If there's another road called Alternate Tourist Drive 24 somewhere else in the world, then yes add "(Queensland)". But if not, it doesn't matter how obscure the route is, it doesn't need disambiguating.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 11:56, 8 February 2021 (UTC)Reply
The thing is, I don't know. Tourist Drives are so poorly maintained in all states except NSW, QLD and WA. One thing for sure is that all WA tourist drives are covered on enwiki. Nothing about NSW or QLD. I also don't know about anything in Victoria as it's so poorly maintained that even the signs lead to nowhere there. SHB2000 (talk) 12:05, 8 February 2021 (UTC)Reply
Fair enough. In that case, maybe just assume there isn't another one, as it's quite a specific name. If in the future someone wants to create an article for another unknown "Alternate Tourist Drive 24", a disambiguation can be created then.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 12:08, 8 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

Aggressive archiving

Why are you archiving a 7-day-old post in Talk:Sydney? Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:38, 14 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

Well Ikan, it isn't a post to question but to just tell you guys about the change. [[[User:SHB2000|SHB2000]] (talk) 07:50, 15 February 2021 (UTC)Reply
Didn't I reply to this? 7 days is way too short to even expect people to see a post. I urge you to wait at least 2-3 months before archiving anything. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:01, 15 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

G'day

Thanks for the Aussie barn compass. Australia is high on my list of places to visit when the world gets back to normal. If you haven't seen this already, I think it would be useful for you: Wikivoyage:Itinerary status shows the criteria for upgrading itinerary articles from stub to outline to usable to guide. Happy editing. Ground Zero (talk) 14:22, 15 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

Thanks mate. I'll just have to wait till we get the Traveloca thing sorted out. SHB2000 (talk)02:50, 16 February 2021 (UTC)Reply
@Ground Zero: Additionally, are there too much images on Tourist Drive 33 or is it just fine. SHB2000 (talk) 04:11, 16 February 2021 (UTC)Reply
Wikivoyage:Image policy says:
"Short articles (less than 3,000 bytes) should usually have no more than 1–2 images, including a map. For longer articles, 1 image per screen (1,000–2,000 bytes) is generally adequate."
You're easily within that guideline. I think it looks fine. Ground Zero (talk) 13:03, 16 February 2021 (UTC)Reply
@Ground Zero: I guess I can have 18ish images since the article is 18k+ bytes. Cheers though, SHB2000 (talk) 11:27, 18 February 2021 (UTC)Reply
I'd read that as 9-18, but 18 sounds like a lot of images. I don't think that would get advisable. We don't want our articles to burn through readers' mobile data. Ground Zero (talk) 12:17, 18 February 2021 (UTC)Reply
I don't think I even have 12 images. SHB2000 (talk) 20:18, 18 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

There are 9 including the banner 82.3.185.12 08:44, 13 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Might add a tenth one. SHB2000 (talk) - 10:02, 13 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Name change

Note: This section has my old username for those that are curious. It has been deliberately been left, as the topic is about the username.


Hey, TravelAroundOz (or SHB2000 now). Was just checking w:WP:PERM over at Wikipedia and a little surprised to see you there instead of here. I just noticed the name change -- any particular reason? Just friendly curiosity, hope you're doing well and it wasn't about anything bad. Vaticidalprophet (talk) 07:54, 13 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

So it doesn't get confused with this person, in this case who I amn't. SHB2000 (talk) 08:33, 13 March 2021 (UTC)Reply
And now I edit both WP and WV. SHB2000 (talk) 08:33, 13 March 2021 (UTC)Reply
Are you ever planning to change your name back? 82.3.185.12 09:04, 13 March 2021 (UTC)Reply
Nope. SHB2000 (talk) 09:06, 13 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

April Fools suggestions page

Hi, I pinged you to this page, however since you changed your name literally less than an hour ago, I don't know if the ping reached you. 82.3.185.12 08:42, 13 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hi, I did receive the ping but I was editing Tourist Drive 30 at the time SHB2000 (talk) 08:45, 13 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Tourist Drive 1

Hi, SHB2000. It looks like I created a problem, since I didn't wait long enough to hear from you about whether you were going to create more Tourist Drive 1 articles and moved the one in Central New South Wales to just Tourist Drive 1. There are a bunch of roads with the same name in different Australian states, then? It looks like I need to revert that name change and just spell out New South Wales because we don't use abbreviations for states on this site as a matter of style and because we don't expect people from outside a given country to know such abbreviations. Sorry about that. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:49, 18 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

I see you fixed the problem. Thanks, and sorry again for ignorantly changing the name. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:51, 18 March 2021 (UTC)Reply
Though thanks for alerting me about the name issue. By the way, there are 5 Tourist Drive 1's I know of, with three in New South Wales SHB2000 (talk) 06:53, 18 March 2021 (UTC)Reply
I guess that's somewhat similar to how we could have the same numbering for an interstate highway, a federal road, a state road and a county road in any given U.S. state. We don't have roads specifically called tourist roads, though, as far as I know. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:58, 18 March 2021 (UTC)Reply
No, that's an Aussie thing. Infact, Australia still has 8 different numbering systems similar to the US system

i.e.

  • National Highway
  • National Route
  • State Route
  • Metroads (even though there are only two remaining)
  • Alphanumeric (similar to Europe)
  • National Highway Alphanumeric
  • Tourist Drive/Ways
  • Detour route (note that whoever edited w:Highways in Australia must've assumed its an alphanumeric even though it really isn't.

But surely there'd be strategic tourist routes in the US (unsigned, just information maps) SHB2000 (talk) 09:35, 18 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

There are scenic routes, though they're usually numbered like any other and just marked with extra dotted lines on paper maps, for anyone who still uses those. I can think of one private road that has beautiful scenery and charges a toll, though. It's called the 17-Mile Drive and it's in Carmel, California. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:45, 18 March 2021 (UTC)Reply
Why charge a toll on a scenic road??? SHB2000 (talk) 10:10, 18 March 2021 (UTC)Reply
Because they can. :-) But I mentioned it because that's exceptional. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:07, 18 March 2021 (UTC)Reply
Man, I should stop complaining about the toll in Toowoomba, a regional city. This is just a road while that's a motorway ;) SHB2000 (talk) 20:12, 18 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

An award for you

The Wikivoyage Barncompass
For your general contributions to Wikivoyage, and specifically for your work on Australia articles. We're glad you're here, mate. Ground Zero (talk) 12:39, 18 March 2021 (UTC)Reply
Cheers mate, and yes I am hoping to create an article for every major tourist drive in Australia. Just passed my 1000th edit :) SHB2000 (talk) 20:13, 18 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Road travel between Adelaide/Melbourne -- itinerary potential?

Dropping in a word on your talk page, because you definitely have a lot more experience with the road articles than me. Do you think there's any solid potential for an article on overland travel (possibly including the bus and train routes as well as driving) between Adelaide-Melbourne, and would you be interested in helping out on one? I know it's a bit outside your usual geographic remit, but it's a trip I make regularly and I've been floating the idea of writing on it. Some of the closer-together capital cities, especially for ones outside the southeast bubble, so in my experience road trips and train/bus travel is fairly common. Vaticidalprophet (talk) 05:39, 19 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Sure.
On a side note I'm actually terrible with roads, and my knowledge to contributing is past experience on those roads on those guides or travel guides/brochures. But Yes, we could make Adelaide-Melbourne by car. SHB2000 (talk) 05:44, 19 March 2021 (UTC)Reply
Also a reason why I rarely edit WA/NT/Tas related itinerary articles SHB2000 (talk) 05:49, 19 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── @Vaticidalprophet: also note I'm happy to edit outside of NSW like with Strzelecki Track. SHB2000 (talk) 11:22, 21 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

"Do not be an irresponsible person"

I don't think we should include that scolding tone in any warnings. IMO, let's just give readers information and trust that they won't be idiots, or that if they are, scolding all readers will if anything produce the opposite effect in them. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:50, 21 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Sure, will fix it up. SHB2000 (talk) 05:18, 21 March 2021 (UTC)Reply
Thanks a lot. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:25, 21 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Re:Floods

G'day SHB, thankfully we haven't been hit that hard. But I appreciate you asking. There have been a few small leaks of water that have gotten inside the home and the back and frontyards are drenched. Hope you are staying safe and dry. What a crazy time the last couple of years have been. First the bushfires/drought, then Covid and now the floods (and of course Covid still isn't over yet). Gizza (roam) 07:03, 21 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Oy! I didn't realize you were in Australia. I wish you the best. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:15, 21 March 2021 (UTC)Reply
Agree. First the strawberries, then the drought, then bushfires, then COVID now floods. SHB2000 (talk) 07:19, 21 March 2021 (UTC)Reply
I was fortunate enough to get this, this and this SHB2000 (talk) 07:21, 21 March 2021 (UTC)Reply
@Ikan Kekek:, Yes, DaGizza is the only other editor I know who lives in Sydney. SHB2000 (talk) 08:15, 21 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

16:53, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

An award for you

The Aussie Wikivoyage Barncompass
Thanks for your great work on improving Australian travel pages, especially driving articles. Hope Tourist Drive 33 gets star status soon! --LivelyRatification (talk) 02:58, 23 March 2021 (UTC)Reply
Thanks so much. I wish the same for Stratford (Victoria) as well. SHB2000 (talk) 05:16, 23 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Outline vs. stub

Hi. Outlines have a template, regardless of whether they have content. Stubs don't have a template. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:47, 24 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Okay, I'll take that for next time as I was unaware of that. It's rather weird how it works as generally outlines are meant to give more information to the reader but it's weird when it comes to Great Alpine Road (incomplete) and these useless articles written by User:EnglishEP (translated) haven't even been modified. Anyway, have a good day and stay safe. Thanks, SHB2000 (talk) 08:34, 24 March 2021 (UTC)Reply
You too. How's the flooding now? Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:31, 24 March 2021 (UTC)Reply
All gone, was a 32˚ day yesterday. SHB2000 (talk) 20:14, 24 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

17:31, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Usernames followed by 2-3 numbers

These are socks of the Telstra guy at least 80% of the time, so best not to waste time posting to their user talk pages. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:26, 31 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

That Brendon John Williams guy? Out of curiosity, how'd you find out his real name? SHB2000 (talk) 10:28, 31 March 2021 (UTC)Reply
Wait never mind, his original usernane was it. SHB2000 (talk) 10:31, 31 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Ikan Kekek:, would Slimmil689 be one? SHB2000 (talk) 10:48, 31 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Yep. Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:43, 31 March 2021 (UTC)Reply
I see it's a vandalism only account. SHB2000 (talk) 03:32, 1 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Your revert

You reverted my edit to Innamincka with the edit comment "exception. see the pub for discussion". I don't see it over there. Please explain. --FredTC (talk) 22:21, 3 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

See SHB2000 (talk) 05:29, 4 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Wikidata weekly summary #462

Welcoming new users again

Again, thanks for participating in this. However, Rodolfo2083‎‎ has no contributions, and that username suggests a likelihood of possibly being another sockpuppet of the Telstra guy. I'd suggest waiting a least a couple of posts before welcoming anyone. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:02, 8 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Sorry for the late response, I've been out since Tuesday and now have my space key fixed. Thought the telstra guy's sock's are only 2-3 digits. Though I suppose he'd slowly start to change his editing habits/usernames. SHB2000 (talk) 09:53, 9 April 2021 (UTC)Reply
But in any case, there's generally no point in welcoming someone who hasn't even made a single edit. The only time I do that is when their username suggests they are tour agency owners or something, and even then, preemptive advice not to tout or violate other Wikivoyage guidelines is almost never successful. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:31, 9 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Vaucluse

Hi there. Wikivoyage:Naming_conventions#Disambiguation states that "one place is so much more famous than others with the same name" shouldn't be disambiguated. I would say this is probably the case with Vaucluse (France), especially since Vaucluse (New South Wales) doesn't even have an article, and possibly never will, given that it's covered by Sydney/Eastern Suburbs. I'd therefore like to revert your page move.

If there's a chance that the Vaucluse in NSW will get an article one day, or if you're planning to make one, then the disambig page can be transferred to Vaucluse (disambiguation). What do you think? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 12:40, 9 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Sure. Vaucluse (New South Wales) is unlikely to get its own page for the next four years. Feel free to revert the move. SHB2000 (talk) 12:43, 9 April 2021 (UTC)Reply
@ThunderingTyphoons!:, somethings preventing me from moving Vaucluse (France) to Vaucluse. SHB2000 (talk) 12:48, 9 April 2021 (UTC)Reply
No worries, I've done it. The Vaucluse page needed to be deleted in order to overwrite it.
Is there some significance to "the next four years" with regard to Vaucluse, NSW?--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 12:54, 9 April 2021 (UTC)Reply
The Eastern Suburbs will probably be too big for its own article and need to be broken down into smaller sections. La Perouse (can NSW have more french names) is sort of an exception as you can't fit all of what's there into the Eastern Suburbs article. SHB2000 (talk) 12:56, 9 April 2021 (UTC)Reply
Looking at a Greater Sydney rail map (yes, I collect train maps of places I'll probably never visit, don't judge me), I'm always struck by the number of place names borrowed seemingly at random from unremarkable towns in and around London - Bexley, Stanmore, Croydon, Lewisham, Richmond... - and wonder how they stack up against the originals.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:26, 9 April 2021 (UTC)Reply
Agree, it's only the last 20 years where names have been changing to indigenous names. Some hard to pronounce ones as well like Oodnadatta, Kununurra, Wooloomooloo, Kiwirakurra. There's also a bunch of other UK names in NSW like Liverpool, Cardiff (yes, when someone says cardiff, i think of cardiff, nsw and not cardiff, wales), Gloucester, Forster, Goulburn, Griffith, Camden (the origin of our Griffith is from Burley Griffin and not from the UK Griffith), Bathurst, Windsor and to say, there's a lot more than what I've mentioned. SHB2000 (talk) 21:45, 9 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Tech News: 2021-14

19:41, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

@Ikan Kekek, Mx. Granger, 82.3.185.12, Vaticidalprophet, ThunderingTyphoons!, Ground Zero, LPfi: - Re. the pub and the dates, The tech update that I received a week ago. SHB2000 (talk) 23:17, 10 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

That’s not what I meant. What I meant was whenever I update a template, it replaces subst:#time:Y-m-d with 2021-04-11 or whatever the date is. 82.3.185.12 16:19, 11 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

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A barncompass for you!

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This Barncompass is to show appreciation for your great work on Aussie articles on Wikivoyage. --82.3.185.12 11:46, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply
You gave me one so I thought I’d return the favour. :) 82.3.185.12 11:46, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply
Thanks at lot. Really appreciate this. My third barncompass. SHB2000 (talk) 11:48, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply
You’re welcome! Enjoy the rest of your day! 82.3.185.12 11:51, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply
Yeah, I better go and sleep soon. It's currently 21.53 here. SHB2000 (talk) 11:53, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply
Oh, ok. Goodnight then! 82.3.185.12 11:56, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply
And good afternoon to you. Been waiting 3 mins to post this :) SHB2000 (talk) 12:00, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply
Until I realised just now that daylight savings has begun. SHB2000 (talk) 12:00, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply
Yeah, it’s 13:05 now. 82.3.185.12 12:05, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply
Our clocks have just gone back an hour now :) SHB2000 (talk) 12:06, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I thought you were going to bed now. 82.3.185.12 13:00, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

I'm a person who doesn't go to bed til 2300h. SHB2000 (talk) 00:17, 13 April 2021 (UTC)Reply
I see. 82.3.185.12 07:48, 13 April 2021 (UTC)Reply
or even 2330h. SHB2000 (talk) 07:49, 13 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Date

You forgot to change the date. I changed it for you. 82.3.185.12 13:18, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Thanks, I’m not used to editing on mobile so it’s easy to forget. Take care SHB2000 (talk) 13:27, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply
Thank you! 82.3.185.12 07:46, 13 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Wikidata weekly summary #463

2 maps in an article?

Swept in from the pub

Hi everyone,

This might seem very odd but am I allowed to have two maps in Innamincka. One's for the 1.5km long town centre and the other is for the vast Innamincka. The problem is, they're either too close to each other or too far. Solution: A controversial request for two maps.

Is it okay?

Thanks, SHB2000 (talk) 04:46, 28 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Since these are dynamic maps, that's probably not necessary. You can pick a kind of compromise zoom level and let readers click the map to zoom in or out for more location info. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:18, 28 March 2021 (UTC)Reply
@SHB2000, have you considered a rectangular map? WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:31, 28 March 2021 (UTC)Reply
WhatamIdoing, how do you do that? SHB2000 (talk) 05:28, 29 March 2021 (UTC)Reply
Like this, if you want the default/auto-zoom approach. Since you have one marker in a different town, you may want to put a location and/or zoom level back in. WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:48, 29 March 2021 (UTC)Reply
I feel like in this case a "compromise" in zoom level would leave both purposes unsatisfied. I use two maps where necessary; see, for example, Niagara Falls (New York). Powers (talk) 02:20, 30 March 2021 (UTC)Reply
I would probably add the latitude, longitude and zoom parameters for the mapframe to center map and zoom in on the main area. You can use the width and height parameters to make the dynamic map into a rectangle if so desired. Two maps are probably acceptable but I think one map would suffice. Best wishes! -- Matroc (talk) 05:20, 30 March 2021 (UTC)Reply
Thanks guys, I've decided to remove the second map and incorporate both Ikan Kekek's and WhatamIdoing's ideas. Considering that for it to be a proper guide, it'll need 4 maps. (Town centre, greater Innamincka, Birdsville and Moomba) SHB2000 (talk) 09:09, 30 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Facebook pages

I agree with your edit here, but only because the hotel has its own website. If a business has no website but has its own Facebook page, we link it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:38, 14 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Ikan Kekek: I've done that before. Can't remember which article though. By the way, done wikivoyage have it's own insta page? SHB2000 (talk) 05:46, 14 April 2021 (UTC)Reply
I doubt it. Commons is the Wiki with the photos, but I'm guessing there's no Wiki with an Instagram page. I could be wrong, though. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:42, 14 April 2021 (UTC)Reply
Checking it, there's only bn and ru pages. Plus wikitravel. SHB2000 (talk) 06:44, 14 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Unilateral policy changes

Making a policy change without discussion and implementing it across a bunch of articles is always a bad idea. I'm sure that you believe you're right — and you very well may be right — but the approach you've taken does kind of say to everyone else that any views they may have on the subject are irrelevant, which leaves a bad taste.

I know you mean well, and you are a very constructive contributor. That is why I am addressing this to you on your talk page. Ground Zero (talk) 00:14, 15 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Attribution

When using text from Wikipedia, I've been following the advice at Wikivoyage:Cooperating with Wikipedia, I.d.,

"When copying text from Wikipedia (or any other CC-SA site) you must provide attribution to the original authors. Attribution is generally provided by pasting the URL for the source article version (see below) into the "edit summary" box, and/or you can use the Wikipedia template."

I've been pasting the URL into the edit summary box. The way I read the passage above, this is sufficient. Also using the Wikipedia template is fine to do, but I don't think it is necessary under the policy. Do you disagree? Ground Zero (talk) 01:02, 16 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Just incase. I mean, there's no harm in not doing it but I'll do it otherwise what's the purpose of the template. SHB2000 (talk) 05:09, 16 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Admins' watchlists

What do you mean by "'I would expect admins, at least, to monitor this page.' - But no, only a non admin is monitoring this page"? The page is on the list of pages admins are explicitly asked to monitor, and several admins have commented on the thread above your comment. I haven't commented in the thread as I have little to say for the moment. (Except that: You can disable e-mail from named users, if that's any help.) –LPfi (talk) 06:18, 16 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Very sorry about ignoring the rest of all the admins. As User:Ikan Kekek said, it's frustrating being constantly attacked. Btw, thanks for the suggestion. I only haven't disabled it incase if User:82.3.185.12 chooses to create an account one day. SHB2000 (talk) 06:45, 16 April 2021 (UTC)Reply
I think there is a value in being able to send and receive e-mail. The preferences item I suggested allows disabling e-mail from a certain user (or a list of users). It does not help against somebody creating new accounts all the time, and non-logged in users cannot send wikimail anyhow. –LPfi (talk) 05:50, 17 April 2021 (UTC)Reply
Additionally, I'm not going to disable it because for the 98% of good faith users, I'm not going to ruin it for them because of the 2% minority that ruins and destroys Wikimedia Projects. By disabling it, I'm just letting the vandal/harasser win. SHB2000 (talk) 12:43, 17 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Edit summary

I think your edit summary here was a bit careless, as you shouldn't want everybody watching latest changes reading that. No problem this time, and I see you changed it for the next test. –LPfi (talk) 08:21, 18 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Yeah, I didn't want someone to think that it was someone impersonating me. SHB2000 (talk) 08:24, 18 April 2021 (UTC)Reply
OK, but telling what you were testing, when what is in there is a secret, is problematic. –LPfi (talk) 08:31, 18 April 2021 (UTC)Reply
Okay. But why is it a secret? SHB2000 (talk) 08:36, 18 April 2021 (UTC)Reply
If it weren't, they wouldn't be hidden for non-admins. They are never perfect, and if you know what they catch, they are easier to evade. –LPfi (talk) 08:56, 18 April 2021 (UTC)Reply
I see. And re reading this, I don't know how I'd've reacted when I saw this in RC. SHB2000 (talk | contribs) 08:58, 18 April 2021 (UTC)Reply
And out of curiosity, do you know what 41.44.242.207 had wrote on my talk page? SHB2000 (talk | contribs) 09:00, 18 April 2021 (UTC)Reply
This was also careless and not very kind. Please remember that everyone deserves respect. If everything Antandrus claimed is true, then through no fault of their own mental illness has completely ruined that person's life and has also caused them to inflict a lot of pain on other people.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 11:06, 18 April 2021 (UTC)Reply
Yes. That was the prime concern of a friend of mine when I told about the situation. She was worried that he doesn't get the support he would need from the local society – which probably is true, but something we cannot do much about. There are things we have to do here for our readers and to protect ourselves, but let's try not to make it any worse than needed.
SHB2000: I can read what he wrote, at least one message. I suppose you got more or less the same message by e-mail.
LPfi (talk) 18:24, 18 April 2021 (UTC)Reply
Well, in his emails, he said he doesn't have mental health issues, (email me for a copy of that email) and the revision got deleted so I can't access it. SHB2000 (talk | contribs) 22:07, 18 April 2021 (UTC)Reply
Plus, "to have no life" is a common Australian slang used for someone who frequently does stupid things. I should reduce my use of slangs. SHB2000 (talk | contribs) 22:09, 18 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Wikidata weekly summary #464

Is it okay if I create two armchair travel articles?

Swept in from the pub

Hi everyone,

Just wanted to ask your opinion on creating two armchair articles. Strzelecki Track and Birdsville Track. They can be physically accessed but with one vehicle every 2-3 days. Just wanting to ask whether I should create it based on if a traveller goes and explores it or for armchair travel?

Cheers, SHB2000 (talk) 11:34, 21 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

I'd say cover these as itineraries, but what would be the difference in your coverage if it was meant solely for vicarious reading, which is what I think you mean by armchair travel, than if you simply cover it as a practical itinerary? Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:57, 21 March 2021 (UTC)Reply
I'd generally put a lot of humour in armchair travel and be a bit more serious in practical itineraries. SHB2000 (talk) 05:18, 22 March 2021 (UTC)Reply
You mean kind of like a joke article? A bit of humor is fine, but if the trip is doable, I'd say don't make a joke of it. You might look at some of the articles linked in Next-to-impossible destinations. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:22, 22 March 2021 (UTC)Reply
I might use Ashmore and Cartier Islands as a guide. It is doable, it's just that I don't think anyone will actually use this alone. SHB2000 (talk) 10:57, 22 March 2021 (UTC)Reply
I think your article is looking good so far. Maybe the Ashmore and Cartier Island article reads like a joke because it's not written very well and has no information about why someone might want to visit, talks about what isn't there instead of what is, and is even a bit fuzzy on basic accessibility (It would really benefit from adding information provided by the Australian government. I'd suggest not trying to emulate that article. The Track and the few locations along it seem to have some history, so it shouldn't be too fill out as a legitimate travel article. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 14:41, 22 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

16:49, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Page protection

I've semi-protected your page (autoconfirmed only) for one week. Please let me know if you'd like it to be lifted before the week has expired, but I'd be reluctant to do so for the remainder of today.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 10:25, 20 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for protecting my talk page. Hopefully this guy shall stop (changed my email address as well) but this doesn't seem like its going to stop for another week. I really don't see why a non autoconfirmed user would have a reason to post here apart from User:82.3.185.12. May also want to protect Vat's talk page as well. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 10:28, 20 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Thanks

Sweepers' Club Membership Certificate
Thanks for helping sweep old conversations off to relevant talk pages. Like housework, it's often best to do a little every day or every week, but we'd let the page get out of hand. Thanks for helping with the "spring cleaning". WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:38, 20 April 2021 (UTC)Reply
Thanks a lot. This makes my day :) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 21:21, 20 April 2021 (UTC)Reply
@WhatamIdoing:, just did my autumn clean (but cleared the same amount of stuff as a spring clean). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 05:34, 21 April 2021 (UTC)Reply
Is it called "autumn cleaning" in Australia? I've only ever heard "spring cleaning", and I didn't know whether the concept translated. WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:16, 21 April 2021 (UTC)Reply
Well, it's autumn here. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 21:05, 21 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Your comment

See User talk:SHB2000/Archive 2021#Edit summary about discussing certain ideas. –LPfi (talk) 09:55, 21 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

I understand you'd like to be part of the solution, but certain things lose their magic when called by name. –LPfi (talk) 09:56, 21 April 2021 (UTC)Reply
Anyway, I'll be stepping back from janitorial work for another 2 weeks. (Have other things - non wiki related to do) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 11:50, 21 April 2021 (UTC)Reply
OK. Thanks for what you have been (and hopefully will be) doing. Just best to keep some things to oneself, or trusted channels. The less those whose edits we don't want know about how we find them, the better. And some of them may be following any on-wiki discussion. –LPfi (talk) 12:47, 21 April 2021 (UTC)Reply
Also, I'll be adding a button similar to the trout button on wikipedia for my overuse of slangs (and other stuff too). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 12:49, 21 April 2021 (UTC)Reply
Please don't talk in public about how our abuse filters work. The less trolls, vandals etc. know about them, the better, and whenever you say anything about the filters in public, some of them may be listening. I think this is the third time I am trying to tell this to you. If there is something unclear about it, do ask, but i don't want to have to keep saying this. –LPfi (talk) 22:08, 22 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

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21:25, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Hey

I hope your break goes well. I look forward to seeing you again later in May. Ground Zero (talk) 11:04, 24 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Ground Zero:, Thanks for the message. While I did look at this message before I left, I didn't have time to respond to it. I'm now back, a few days early, seeing the internet almost after a week. Almost forgot how to use my computer and it certainly feels different using it again. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 08:13, 1 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

Towns vs. Cities in the UK

The definition of a city is weird in the UK. It is a large town, sometimes with a cathedral. However there is also the City of London, built on the site of the Roman town Londinium. So it is normally one of three things:

  • A town with a large cathedral
  • An old Roman town
  • A large town

Hope this helps 82.3.185.12 13:19, 3 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

It aye confusin'. The definition of town is weird here (i.e. Adelaide being called a country town) but those have now been only used colloquially. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 13:21, 3 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
Whack!

You've been whacked with a wet trout for using too much Aussie slang

Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know you've been using too much slang

82.3.185.12 13:22, 3 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

I'm assuming "it aye confusin" is Aussie slang. :) 82.3.185.12 13:23, 3 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
Yes it is. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 13:24, 3 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

15:43, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #466

Thank you for ...

...nominating me for administrator. I just looked around for a place to leave some kind of closing statement, but maybe there isn't one? Maybe here. I promise not to break anything. :) I have a hunch there may be a bit less trouble now; the obsessed individual tends to go where he is less likely to be recognized. But I will help with any tasks where I can assist. -- Anyway, I just got back from a hiking trip and am about to go on another one. Will look at adminny stuff in a bit. All the best -- Antandrus (talk) 14:25, 5 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

Thanks, Wikivoyage will greatly benefit. And I can tell our californian articles will improve. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 21:23, 5 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
By the way, do you hike out at Arizona or the US east coast or somewhere not in North America? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 07:31, 6 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
And finally, enjoy your time being an admin here. Could you also protect my enwiki talk page? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 07:35, 6 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
@Antandrus:, and while now GRP will start calling me a sockpuppet, it's all worth it. You definitely deserve to be an admin, and I hope everything's going good for you in California. Is mandatory masks a thing there? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 11:26, 6 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
Indoors, yes - but it's now pretty much optional outdoors. I've been climbing in the mountains a lot and people aren't wearing masks much. Most of us are vaccinated now. I just bought my first plane tickets since before the pandemic. Time to get out again.
FYI, there's another LTA active - w:WP:LTA/Wikinger - he imitates GRP all the time. Often when GRP is being disruptive, Wikinger shows up to make it worse if he can. There are a couple reliable ways to tell them apart that I won't divulge publicly, but it doesn't really matter since they're both WMF-banned. "All vandals are the same vandal" can be kind of a useful philosophy. Antandrus (talk) 14:29, 6 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
I'm well aware of Wikinger, although he's not on WV from what I can tell. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 21:16, 6 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

Wearing pink pants

Huh? I'm guessing this is one of those dead letters that's still on the books but never enforced. If so, we shouldn't include it in a serious article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:34, 9 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

I agree. If it's is intended as an amusing side note, it should be identified as such, or left out. Ground Zero (talk) 22:01, 9 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
It was an old law but yes it was enforced, I learnt it when I was studying law. Still a law that's still in force today but no one really pings or is nitpicky on this law anymore. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 06:18, 10 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

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Travel Rant..

Thanks for the additions..

You plan to look over some of the pre-existing ones as well? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 08:05, 12 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

Already looked at them. A few quotes that my mates have said when going to the outback. Classic Aussie - especially with the unnecessary f bombs in them. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 08:07, 12 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
I've also been told by some Australian visitors in London to NEVER order certain 'export' brands of alcoholic beverage if I ever visit Sydney. Perhaps this is something that could be looked into as advice for some articles? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 08:24, 12 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
No one in my family drinks so I don't know about alcoholic beverages. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 08:26, 12 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
"I've also been told by some Australian visitors in London to NEVER order certain 'export' brands of alcoholic beverage if I ever visit Sydney" -- would that be Foster's? Sounds like it might be. It's what the rest of the world thinks Australians drink, not what we actually do. Vaticidalprophet (talk) 08:42, 12 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
possibly, although everyone in sydney (that i know) drinks vittoria beer, corona, or a champagne (more females) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 08:45, 12 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

Star Wars tourism

Why did you revert my edit. By doing so, information that was correct is now incorrect. The edit was not done by Brendan John Williams, but it was the only edit on Wikivoyage by Folley5851. Asked by: FredTC (talk) 06:52, 14 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

Brendo creates sock accounts - and 99% of the accounts ending in 2-4 numbers are his. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 06:53, 14 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
By the way, Brendan John Williams is just Telstra - which I call brendo. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 06:54, 14 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
But why do you make correct information incorrect??? --FredTC (talk) 06:57, 14 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
Block evasion is block evasion: but this is more ban evasion SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 07:00, 14 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
A bit of discretion is needed when dealing with the Telstra guy. Most of his edits are very poor quality or factually incorrect and should be reverted on sight, but on the odd occasion he contributes something positive to an article, it's better to keep it, particularly when a third user (in this case FredTC) has confirmed the edit was good. Whether we revert or not has no effect on Telstra's behaviour, so we might as well benefit from his occasional moments of brilliance.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 09:05, 14 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
The easy way I use to identify his edits non-username related is it almost certainly is just an added listing. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 10:13, 14 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

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Welcoming

I am not too enthusiastic over your welcoming Frigley after one edit about Sharpeville, which in lights of the Sharpeville massacre seems rather, uhm, biased. I think one should wait with welcoming until a user has made clearly good faith edits. –LPfi (talk) 12:35, 18 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

Sure, I'll keep that in mind. Forgot NPOV isn't a thing here. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 12:38, 18 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
 ???
You mean with NPOV we would mention the convicted people, ignoring the well-known massacre? One could argue that from the point of History of Justice the conviction process was more important than the event, but the user did nothing to put the listing in such context. Also, I suppose the edit was by a long time acquaintance of ours, using a throw-away account as usual.
LPfi (talk) 13:13, 18 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

Whack!

Whack!

You've been whacked with a wet barra (barramundi) for using too much Aussie slang

Don't take this too seriously. FredTC just wants to let you know you've been using too much slang

This slang is not very helpfull for travelers who know Woolworths by name/experience but who are not native Australians. --FredTC (talk) 09:59, 21 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

@FredTC: - I changed it as:
1. That's what comes up in their ads
2. Locals tend to always say woolies, and saying woolworths just makes you a target, especially in the not so safe city of Casino.
SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 10:03, 21 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

East Antarctica flights

I hope you could elaborate on this. "A bunch of" is not really helpful, and could be misinterpreted. Several planes every now and then? I doubt. While we want lively writing, information on getting in should be to the point. What I can see there is no information on these planes in Antarctica#Get in or East Antarctica (which refers to the former). –LPfi (talk) 10:45, 21 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

I know certain airlines have flights from Hobart. can't remember which ones though. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 10:54, 21 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
Could you please try to find some information, or reword not to promise too much. –LPfi (talk) 10:55, 21 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
First thing tomorrow morning. (ACST) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 10:57, 21 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
Thanks! –LPfi (talk) 12:11, 21 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
See ya' tomorrow (click the slang button if you think this is slang). Will need to get some sleep in me. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 12:14, 21 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
@LPfi:, oops, I was meant to respond to this last week, but I totally forgot. Sorry about that. But there are some Qantas flights, although not many. Most are chartered but some are not. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 11:56, 27 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

Sigh

I think Ikan Kekek was referring to me there. I was going back in to soften my comment anyway. I don't wish to squabble with him (or anyone). Responding to a comment like that immediately is not a good idea. I should have take more time to consider my response. Regards, Ground Zero (talk) 10:53, 22 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

I thought it was me, as a similar comment on Talk:Frankenstein but towards me. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 11:04, 22 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
You mean the idea that no travel topics are legitimate articles? That was my reading of SHB2000's comments, not yours. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:02, 22 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
@Ikan Kekek: Thank you for clarifying. Ground Zero (talk) 21:05, 22 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
When did I say it's not a legit article? Yes, they are, but I was referring to real destinations, which have a lot more meaning. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 00:15, 23 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

Outing

Please don't use real names of other people. User names and designations used on Meta or en-wp, such as "GRP" are OK if you need to clarify. Often that clarification is indeed not needed. Real names should be treated as confidential unless a user has added it to their user page themselves (and not removed it later), or it is in clearly widespread friendly use (such as some calling names used among regulars). Sometimes a connection might have to be called out, but it seldom needs to be done publicly.

In a general discussion about how to handle LTA, and what tools would help in that context, there is usually no need to specify individuals. Those participating in the discussion usually have enough experience to know the patterns, either from elsewhere or because they have dealt with them here lately. In most discussions among regulars, we very well know whom we are talking about without mentioning any names.

LPfi (talk) 11:14, 27 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

So would BJW be an example of not outing, since it was Telstra's original username.
Also with GRP, one, in one of his harassment emails, he sent his name, and two, have a look at this edit on Wikisource. I've had a look at Antandrus' contributions in all english wikimedia projects, except Wikispecies. Since he's also bad-mouthed me on a couple of websites, attacking me, and continually spams my old email, which I don't use anymore. In some of his vandalistic edits, (cant find any revs) he's even outed his own name. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 11:37, 27 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
You can remove this comment and rev del this if you want, but here's some revisions that may give you an idea of how his name is public. . While GRP hasn't been vandalising Wikivoyage for a month now, I doubt this will be the case when the protection expires tomorrow. But can you remove the protection a day earlier, I'm sort of sick and tired of trying to maintain two talk pages, if only 82 creates an account. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 11:45, 27 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
BJW would probably be OK. A user name is not confidential information, unless you have outed yourself with one name (such as many do for their photos on Commons) while keeping your identity secret with another. I do think Antandrus says too much. Telling ones name to you is not making the information public. If I tell you mine, it's confidential information, and although he might not have a plan on what to say and not to say, we should treat any personal details that weren't common knowledge from before as privileged. This includes things that can be dug up from public logs and page histories.
I am sorry that you get all this harassment, but we need to be professional in not bawling out or unveiling privileged information.
LPfi (talk) 07:33, 29 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for the info! I will archive this early in 2 days as this exact thread is a target for GRP. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 09:31, 29 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
Go ahead, as soon as you wish. –LPfi (talk) 09:34, 29 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
I might wait for 5, as if anyone else might come up with something. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 09:36, 29 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
"I do think Antandrus says too much" -- you are right, and I know it too. We should probably change our overall approach and not use his name at all. Just quietly remove his sputter and point people to the LTA page when necessary. Antandrus (talk) 16:26, 29 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
"This includes things that can be dug up from public logs and page histories." - no. Anything public is public and can be referenced and reused under the WMF ToS. I had to tell the same thing to User:ThunderingTyphoons! who complained about my linking that anon user with their actual account and called it "outing". Seems to be a project-specific thing. Overall, I do not believe that SHB2000 made a mistake. Leaderboard (talk) 17:22, 29 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
You may be right in terms of ToS and law, but that is only part of the picture.
I strongly believe in respecting people's privacy. Especially in this time, everything about anybody can be deduced from non-secret information, and I think collecting, sorting and publishing the information is not something to do. When I speak with my friends in the bus, or in the street, even in my yard, I know that people around can hear what I say, but I'd be disappointed if they told what they heard on Facebook next day, coupled to my identity, which they recognised or found out by an image search. I like the rule on the communication radio: anybody listening on the channel can hear what you say, but they may not tell anybody.
There are things that must be said, that fellow administrators (and perhaps other trusted fellows) must know to fight vandalism effectively, but about such things one should tell only what is useful for others to know, and they should understand that they got the information in confidence.
LPfi (talk) 20:09, 29 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
I'll openly admit that I'm a person who prefers names, over usernames, but I myself do not like to reveal my name, even in emails. While some people openly reveal their name in their usernames (e.g. User:Ikan Kekek, User:Anirban Kolkata or User:KevRobbAU/SCO) while others reveal their first names on their userpages.
And to say, I do know User:ThunderingTyphoons!', User:LivelyRatification's and User:Ground Zero's full names, but I still use TT and GZ due to privacy.
I could've had my name outed, after an edit war with someone on enwp, after continual edit warring due to w:WP:NOR, but instead he chose to out me on instagram instead of wikipedia. And I do certainly agree with LPfi here with the radio rule.
And Leaderboard, and for outing 82's old ID, tbh, I also did not think it was outing as if you follow a set of certain pages, you could find the old username. I know it was not a mistake, but I believe this was done upon 82's request.
--SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 23:54, 29 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
I do not reveal my name to people I don't trust and don't want it broadcast. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:31, 30 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
So is Ikan not your first name? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 05:33, 30 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
After reading your userpage, I see what Ikan Kekek means: "Ikan Kekek is the name of a Malaysian fish and a children's song" That makes sense. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 05:51, 30 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

Barncompass indexation

Hiya, should it not be clear, this is a response to your pitch in the pub. I'm much in favour of the idea I'm hearing, but I feel like there's some vague spots in the pitch that allow people to misinterpret your intentions. The concept as I understand it largely comes down to making barncompasses somewhat like {{Rint}}, in which standard transit lines are made more easily accessible through a template, aside from the fact that this one would, of course, print barncompasses rather than tram and metro lines :)

Since I did a lot of work on RINT myself, and felt like a mock-up of the idea might help your cause, I've gone ahead and made a mock-up based off of what I think you're trying to achieve. I don't want to deviate the discussion in the pub, so hence why I'm notifying you directly. Right now, there's two templates, and that's all it would need:

  • BC. This would be a customisable version of {{Barncompass}}, making it modular and thus removing the need for a 1:1 ratio of templates and barncompasses where every type of barncompass has a template for itself. It allows for customisation of not only the text, but also allowing one to easily pick the image (|img=), scale it (|size=) and add a different title (|title=).
  • BCindex then uses that modular template to recreate existing barncompasses, and allow for indexation of future barncompasses. Ideally, it would replace {{Barncompass}} as it stands now. I can assure you that it wouldn't break any existing barncompasses using that template. For now, all that works is the silver, gold, sysop and default variations. When a barncompass isn't found, it defaults to display the entered parameter (or in other words, everything after {{Barncompass|) as plain text in a default barncompass, thus not breaking any of the existing barncompasses should this be moved into {{Barncompass}} itself.

As a very brief how-to: {{User:Wauteurz/BCindex|}} is the template you use. Follow this by the code, for example silver, and follow this with your text, separated by a pipe (|). You can omit the compass code (silver, in this example) and it will print a default barncompass with anything else specified after the template name printed as the accompanying text. Both of them print as follows:

{{User:Wauteurz/BCindex|silver|This is a silver barncompass!}}
The Silver Barncompass
This is a silver barncompass!
{{User:Wauteurz/BCindex|This is a barncompass without a specified code.}}
The Wikivoyage Barncompass
This is a barncompass without a specified code.

I'm not trying to steal the idea from you, should that not be obvious. Unless you honestly want me to, I won't work this out further to become a proper usable template set, since you asked whether it is something that you should do or not, and I don't intend to rob you of your projects - I have plenty of my own. If you go for it though, might I suggest you use ISO 3166-1, Alpha 3 codes for countries and regions as well as the names of countries for their indexation? In any case, let me know whether this is what you meant or how else I should interpret your pitch, and I can alter the mock-up accordingly if you want me to. I honestly think it's a great idea, and I'd like to see it succeed. If you need the help, just let me know. I'd be more than happy to help you with developing this idea :)
-- Wauteurz (talk) 14:00, 22 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

Thank you so much. I'd love a mate to work this alongside me. So if I put {{BC|type=AU|message=message xyz}}, that's the way to avoid confusion with the original Barncompass? I'm not that great with coding (apart from html), so any help will be greatly appreciated. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 00:09, 23 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
No worries! The templates I linked above are both still in my userspace, so you'll have to use User:Wauteurz/BCindex as the template name to call it correctly for the time being. I've added a few Barnstars of National Merit (BoNM) from Wikipedia as placeholders for barncompasses, and they can be accessed through either the ISO 3166-1 α3 code I linked above (i.e., the three-letter code assigned to that country), or the full name of the country, removing any spaces. The current options are:
  • Australia: aus or australia
  • New Zealand: nzl or newzealand
  • Papua New Guinea: png or papuanewguinea
  • Vanuatu: vut or vanuatu
And for clarity, BC is the bare barncompass, and does not know how to make any other barncompass than the default by itself. Using BC, the Australian BoNM would have to be called by specifying what it looks like: {{User:Wauteurz/BC|img=BoNM - Australia Hires.png|title=The Australian Barnstar|[your text here]}}. BCindex is the index of pre-configured barncompasses, and for that you can simply define {{User:Wauteurz/BCindex|aus|[your text here]}} instead. BCindex is the template that the compass-gifter would see. BC is the template the compass-maker would use to create new or custom barncompasses. In an ideal world, I would move BCindex into what is now {{Barncompass}} (it won't break existing barncompasses unless they're defined in a weird way), and BC would become something along the lines of {{Barncompass base}}, ideally with a redirect from {{BC}} so that the codes in BCindex can be kept a bit shorter. I've done this with RINT as well - RINT calls {{Routebox entry}}, which is abbreviated as {{RbE}} (and RINT itself is an abbreviation of {{Rail-interchange}}), but I digress.
Also note that the parameters used in BCindex do not have to be defined. In other words, you don't have to tell it what parameter you're trying to define (|type= and |message= in your example). It checks what parameter you're defining by its order. Therefore, the Barncompass's code has to be defined first, followed by the message. See this as the organisation you also use on your PC. You would generally put images in the folder for images, so you have to open that before you can view any images. Here you have to tell BCindex that you're wanting to access the Australian BoNM, and then tell it the text you want it to print within that. This could be expanded to include subregions, such as the US states. Those could be put on a 'folder' within the USA 'folder', so that California is accessed through {{User:Wauteurz/BCindex|usa|ca|[your text here]}}. This would then remove the need to use three-letter codes, and we could switch to the two-letter codes instead, which tend to be better known because they largely match the top level domains for these countries. I haven't made a real look-up page for it, but if you want to check the current codes, jump into the source code of BCindex and see for yourself. The template is somewhat annotated with <!-- NOTES -->.
I hope that answers your questions :)
-- Wauteurz (talk) 12:18, 23 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
Thanks. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 12:35, 23 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
And sorry for stealing your template, but I did do some experimenting with it. Might do a bit more to see how it turns out. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 13:12, 23 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
No problem whatsoever. Feel free. I don't know if you want me to, but I can add some extra options for customisation to the barncompass base template (User:Wauteurz/BC). Think of things like definable colours for the border and background. Also, the template you copied uses the switch-function. If you aren't familiar with it, you'll find some documentation and examples on MediaWiki and Wikipedia. I would suggest that you put some of the subregions of Australia that you added under Australia itself as a switch-function on the second parameter. I'll copy your additions into the version on my userspace with that structure, should you want it as reference. I'll leave the one in your own userspace for you to play around with. If there's anything that you can't manage to change or fix, then please shoot me a message! I'm happy to help out.
-- Wauteurz (talk) 13:45, 23 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

Tip

Reaction on your last edit. With 4x "-" you get a long line in the full width of the page. With many "_" you get a page that can have a horizontal scrolling bar. So, "----" makes:


--FredTC (talk) 09:49, 23 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

Thanks Fred. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 10:31, 23 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

Your revert on my edit on Australia

By reverting my edit you restored the quite messy situation of having 3 different formats for times in just one article: 21:00, 4PM and 6pm. They are even all 3 in the same section of the article. In the heading of the talk page it says "please use the 12-hour clock", and on the same talk page it says "We have a general policy of using only one time format in an article". --FredTC (talk) 12:14, 23 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

Oh whoops, that was my mistake. The time format in Australia is quite an unusual one with older generations using 12 hr time while younger generations using 24. Hence why you see me preferring 24 over 12. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 12:16, 23 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

17:08, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

My article status templates

Moved from the IP talk page after 14 days of discussion being stale

@SHB2000: Hi, I am changing my article status templates to try to show the article status boxes at the bottom on an article, and I realised that this messed up your userpage. The new template is located at User:82.3.185.12/Article status. Thanks, 82.3.185.12 18:34, 23 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

Thanks. On a little bit of a side note, I suggest adding a documentation. Since any user might want to add this, this might as well help. Could also help with other things as well SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 08:36, 24 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
@SHB2000: I tried to do that, but it made the documentation template appear underneath the article status templates when I tested it on my userpage. 82.3.185.12 15:40, 24 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
@82.3.185.12, sorry for the late response, but you're meant to include the <noinclude> code around the documentation.

Like this:

<noinclude>
{{documentation}}
</noinclude>

Cheers, SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 11:10, 26 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
@SHB2000: Thank you! 82.3.185.12 14:22, 26 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
No worries mate. Remember, you can always ask me if you need anything. Cheers, SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 07:43, 27 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
@SHB2000: I redirected User:82.3.185.12/Starnom to User:82.3.185.12/Star, and I realised that this left a blank gap in your userpage. {{User:82.3.185.12/Article status|6}} should produce Starnom, which is what was on your userpage before. Thanks, 82.3.185.12 12:31, 2 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for letting me know mate. I'll fix it right now. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 12:33, 2 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
Yes Done SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 12:35, 2 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
@SHB2000: I have finished with User talk:SHB2000/nonsende and User talk:SHB2000/nonsende2. 82.3.185.12 14:53, 2 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

Question

Moved from the IP talk page after 14 days of discussion being stale

@SHB2000: When I type {{User:82.3.185.12/Star|city}}; it does this. Do you know why it is not centred like the actual template?

This city travel guide to SHB2000/Archive 2021 is a star article. It is a high-quality article complete with maps, photos, and great information. If you know of something that has changed, please plunge forward and help it grow!
Thanks, 82.3.185.12 16:43, 26 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
@82, I'll take a look into it right now, at the time of this comment. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 07:41, 27 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
Had a look at it, I'm not too sure why. @Wauteurz:, do you have any idea why 82's template is doing this? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 07:42, 27 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
@SHB2000, 82.3.185.12: Took me a bit to find this one. This problem occurs because the image and the text share the same cell in the table that makes up the structure of this template. Because the first line of text prints at the same height as the image, the second line will force itself to fit below the image. I'd suggest making a left and right column. Left for the image, right for the text, and that should resolve the issue. It's easy to miss, but if you look at the template for the current star boxes, {{Stbox}}, you'll find the following code on lines 9 and 10:
|{{#ifeq: {{{status|}}} | star | [[Image:Cscr-featured.svg|100px]] | }}
|This {{#switch:{{{type|}}}
The pipes (|) used at the start of each line indicate that the two elements (the image on line 9 and the text, which starts at line 10) are in separate columns from each other. They have no further modifications through CSS attributes, so you should be fine with just splitting the elements across two columns. Other than that, the templates look more or less identical, aside from 82's version having a decentralised structure (which I should add is a bit annoying when trying to troubleshoot it).
-- Wauteurz (talk) 09:04, 27 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
@Wauteurz: I have tried splitting it across two columns, however this now makes the star appear on top of the words. Do you have any ideas on how to fix this? 82.3.185.12 17:39, 27 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
@82.3.185.12: I don't see this edit back in the template? If I look at the edits, there's the insertion of a new line for the text, but that's not how tables work. All this does is force the text onto a new line, whereas you need a separation on the horizontal axis. A new line only does something on the vertical axis. You'd have to add a column into /Starborder's code on line four, with that column only containing a parameter named "2". (|{{{2}}}. "1" would contain the image, "2" would contain the text, and this would require /Star to be edited accordingly (|city={{User:82.3.185.12/Starborder| «image» | «text» }}). In other words, the enters in /Star need to be replaced with a pipe, and that should have the entire thing resolved.
You might need a bit of fiddling with the HTML/CSS on /Starborder if the width of the columns needs tweaking, or if there are instances where no image is displayed, you'd want to hide the column in /Starborder under an #if-module, which would check for an "image" parameter and whether it is present or not. In that case, the "image" parameter replaces "1", and "2" becomes the new "1", and that should be everything done.
-- Wauteurz (talk) 20:33, 27 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
@Wauteurz: That works now. Thank you! 82.3.185.12 18:36, 28 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
No worries! -- Wauteurz (talk) 20:19, 28 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

This Month in Education: May 2021

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Did you check Talk:Smögen before making this reversion? I would have left it alone. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:24, 29 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

Oops, didn't check it. Sorry. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 05:26, 29 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
Also Ikan, feel free to revert me anytime if I've made a mistake. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 05:43, 29 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

Brendan

Hi. I always appreciate your hard work on this site, but you don't know how to recognize that guy's edits yet. I'd suggest, therefore, that for the time being, you ignore edits by people with usernames that could be him and leave the determination to others, unless you are sure the edits are useless. Also, it's totally useless to post any message to the talk page of any of that guy's innumerable socks, because he'll never read or pay attention to it. I post a user talk message only when I think it's him but I'm not completely sure (and even I and some other admins make mistakes at times).

All the best,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 12:14, 30 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Ikan Kekek: Thanks for your message. Yes, I do agree with you that I'm not fully able to recognise Brendo's edits yet, I am well aware his target pages: Usually Sydney districts, random towns along NSW and Queensland, Aboriginal culture, WWI and WWII, some ancient medieval culture and Star Wars pages. Usually those edits are just an added listing, poor quality. However, I was just extremely tired and exhausted, and possibly my 2100h self is just who I am not.
Also unrelated to this, but should I remove the cyclone warning in Kolkata. User:Anirban Kolkata has said it's over, but I do want to check with an experienced user, rather than removing it myself.
Take care,
SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 08:49, 31 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
I would trust local knowledge on that kind of thing. Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:03, 1 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

17:06, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Spambots

assume good faith. how is this spam?

~ SHB2000

Hello, BeatriceH35 is just a spambot, a script that runs to add a massive number of spam links. Spambots usually have a particular pattern and should be (b)locked on sight, as well as their stuff should be deleted. See also their abuse log. I would like to ask you to kindly reconsider your revert. Best, Hasley (talk) 02:39, 1 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hi Hastley, thanks for the clarification. Wasn't aware of the other types of spambot accounts, but usually on Wikivoyage, they are just self-promotion or a tour agency advertising tours on their userpage. I've rollbacked my edits, and sorry about the revert. Take care, SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 03:28, 1 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
It seems it would be handy to have a link to global contributions on the page you land on when you are patrolling new user pages with external links. Wouldn't that catch spambots? –LPfi (talk) 10:13, 1 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
Not too sure. I've only started to use SWViewer today, so I'm not too sure on how this works. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 10:15, 1 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

Wow! 7500 edits!

Much appreciated. I had a period of reduced activity from February to May (unfortunately) and therefore for me you’re a relatively new contributor to WV. It’s great to see your enthusiasm for the project, so keep up the good work.

We like to use only four digits after the decimal point in coordinates (a minor technical point) just because it’s easier to use while still being accurate.

Thanks again! --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 13:52, 3 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

Thanks. While I've just reached this milestone. The one mistake I wished I hadn't made was editing under an IP for 9 months on en.wikipedia. And yes, while I'm an admin on another project in a language that I barely know, I still prefer wikivoyage more, than the other WMF projects.
And to a coincidence, I just happened to get autopatrolled status on meta, (not a big thing though), but the timing did intrigue me.
Cheers, SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 13:55, 3 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
Yeah, keep up the good work, your contributions are really helping out with the travel guide. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 22:10, 3 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

Kainji National Park

Moved from the IP talk page after 14 days of discussion being stale @SHB2000 thanks for your edit on Kainji National Park. It was really helpful. But Was struggling to get the stub off the article.

No worries mate. You can always leave me a message here if you need help with anything. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 08:24, 4 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

You are absolutely right here,

But as they say in Wikipedia, "don't bite the newbies". There is a group of new editors in Nigeria who don't know much about Wikivoyage, but they are helping to build articles that our existing pool of editors can't do much with. Let's be sure to encourage them. Ground Zero (talk) 15:30, 6 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

Sorry there, that was my tired 23:50 self. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 21:33, 6 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
It happens. ;-) Ground Zero (talk) 22:23, 6 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
I agree with you guys, but I think we also ought to check that these types of edits aren’t copied from somewhere. I like the work these Nigerian contributors are doing but it needs supervision, and if you’re not familiar with copyright/copyleft (as most people aren’t), it’s easy to copy a paragraph or article from a WP or non-wiki source without attribution and without realizing such action is not allowed. The information about schools is an example of what I’d suspect as copyvio because it doesn’t make sense why someone would write this content on a travel guide. I’m not saying we should admonish these “newbies” but we should put our resources into helping them learn how to contribute best to this wiki. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 22:11, 6 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
I've been trying to coach them, with some success. It would help to have other experienced editors doing this too so that it doesn't seem like just me and one or two others nagging them. Ground Zero (talk) 22:23, 6 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
Sure, I’ll chip in when I can. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 23:32, 6 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
I've just tagged two pages for deletion. Anything over 75%, is not traveloca.org, and is less than 15 days old is almost certainly a violation. Could either one of you, @Ground Zero, SelfieCity: delete those pages? Thanks, SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 12:30, 7 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
I have raised the question of Murtala Muhammed International Airport on the user's talk page, and want to give him a couple of days to respond. Where is Kainji National Park copied from? There are parts that look like they are from Wikipedia, in which case I would just do the accreditation and remind the user to do so going forward. Is there text from another site? Ground Zero (talk) 12:38, 7 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
KNP is copied from here SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 12:40, 7 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
Yeah, i found the text on another site. I have notified the user. Let's wait a couple ofdays for a response. Ground Zero (talk) 12:43, 7 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
3 is reasonable, isn't it? Considering that copyright is a legal issue here, I'm not all that comfortable waiting more than that. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 12:47, 7 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
There's also the point that most of these airports clearly fall outside our criteria for which airports get their own article. All of them probably do, but the only one that would seem possible is Murtala Muhammed, since that's the airport for Lagos. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:43, 7 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
Probably best to just leave a message on the talk pages of the editors who have created out of criteria. After all, even users who've been here for months can make mistakes about Airports too. I did make that mitsake when drafting an article for Darwin International Airport. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 08:26, 8 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
I did post to his user talk page. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:41, 8 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
I'm well aware of that. But my point is that there's nothing much else we could do. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 08:43, 8 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
Sure there is. We can delete them as copyright violation and/or make them redirects. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:11, 8 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
Also, I'm not sure what to do with AmyCutie who keeps creating a uni page. Could you pp it permanently for temp editors and admins only? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 09:13, 8 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
You will have seen by now that I blocked her for a day to try to get her attention. It's best not to assume I'm always available, though. The only reason I was available this much last night is that I slept really poorly. If you'd like something to be done. contacting individual admins may not be the most effective means. Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:24, 8 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
Noticed that. Yeah I only contacted you because you seemed to be the most active admin that hour. Anyway, this will be my final edit for today, as it's 0026 in Sydney here. Take care, SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 14:26, 8 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
Sleep well, and thanks for caring. Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:19, 8 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
Also, thank you for guiding these new editors. As far as I can tell, some of these users will possibly become long term users at Wikivoyage, and to say, most have had a rough start, but eventually have got the hang of Wikivoyage. And also, slightly off topic, a correction to my earlier comment "this will be my final edit for today, as it's 0026", actually, it's one of my first edits for the day. I obviously can't think properly ;). Anyway, thanks again! SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 08:50, 9 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
I always consider the day to end when I go to sleep or the sun rises, whichever comes first. Ikan Kekek (talk) 13:50, 9 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
Same here. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 00:13, 10 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

20:03, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Lime scooters

You reverted IP edits in Turku and Tampere, on Lime scooters, with no comment. I suppose the comment on their talk page was related to these. Was it because the IP added "(cheapest)". I'd have simply removed that comment – as there is no guarantee that is true after a year, and the prices are not posted publicly. Was there some other reason to revert the edits?

I haven't yet seen any Lime scooters since they were removed (because of the pandemic, I suppose, it might have happened earlier), but I suppose the IP editor knows they are back.

I don't see any reason to treat the IP editor as a tout. For all I know they could be a local or a traveller, who just has been using scooters over here.

LPfi (talk) 12:14, 10 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

It's unusual to see an IP user to add a link to these electric scooters, in two different articles, along with the word "cheapest", which very much looks like a tout to me. Let's say, if I were a traveller, and I hired a bike (for examples sake) somewhere. I would write about the entire place I've been, and not just about bike hiring service, in two different spots. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 12:24, 10 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
Vkem redid the edits as logged-in. I suspect it was him also the first time. He is Finnish and adds a lot of Get in and Get around information (sometimes too much for my taste, but that's a different issue).
I can imagine myself seeing a Lime scooter in the street, and checking whether they are back in other places also. I haven't done it for scooters, but indeed for things like ferries or coaches.
LPfi (talk) 19:02, 10 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
If it were Vkem but logged in in the first place, I wouldn't have reverted it in the first place. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 21:46, 10 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
Also LPfi, if I had not said that these edits were me but logged out, you'd think it's not me or an imposter. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 22:31, 10 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

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"By air"

Hi. That is not a standard section header. The standard is "By plane". Just FYI. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:52, 12 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

Sorry about that, I didn't actually check the content when fixing the headers. I'll check next time. Thanks, SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 07:01, 12 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
Sure thing. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:04, 12 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
Also, could you help Zend2020 with get in and get around listings. I've just sort of explained it, but I'm not sure if it looks particularly helpful. Thanks! SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 07:10, 12 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

It did --Zend2020 (talk) 05:00, 18 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

Default banners

I am not used to the default banners (read: haven't been paying attention), so did not realise that the banner was indeed the African one. I supposed that syntax just did not work, so replaced it with the filename listed at Wikivoyage:Banner Expedition#Usage. The page doesn't tell about the keywords (or automatically choosing the right banner), and neither does the template page. –LPfi (talk) 13:23, 12 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

Here's just a tip:

{{pagebanner|Africa}} would produce the default African one

Here's just a full list
  • Europe - none
  • North America - none
  • Middle East - Mena Asia
  • North Africa - Mena Asia
  • Asia - Mena Asia
  • Caribbean - Caribbean
  • Australia - Australia
  • and so on. I'm planning to make some documentation for the parameters, so hopefully this should help, since I noticed that there weren't none.
Cheers, SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 13:30, 12 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
I added the keywords to the template documentation after writing here – but I had to look at the template code to find them. –LPfi (talk) 15:36, 12 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
Thanks! SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 22:16, 12 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

Adding Images + Wikipedia

I need help both on wikicommons and Wikipedia and again sir How do I request for grant if I have a project here in Nigeria. —The preceding comment was added by Favourdare123 (talkcontribs)

Hey @Favourdare123:, here's just how it works:

[[File:|thumb (optional)|left, right or center (pick one)|size px(replace the size with the number|Caption (replace this with the test you want]]

So in this case, if I wanted to add File:Sydney Harbour NP board.png, 500px and on the right side of the page, then I'd be using

[[File:Sydney Harbour NP board.png|thumb|right|500px|Sydney Harbour National Park entry board]]

and it'll turn out like this:
Sydney Harbour National Park entry board
To upload images, go to c:Special:UploadWizard and follow the steps from there, it's pretty guided, and if you want, you could upload certain images from Flickr (depends on copyright license).
To create articles on Wikipedia, you have to go to w:Wikipedia:Article_wizard and follow the steps there. I've only made three articles on Wikipedia, and they're all stubs. If you want, you could also go to the Simple Wikipedia, which is where I make my Wikipedia articles (with my best one being w:simple:Aircalin). You might also want to ask Ground Zero, since he's a sysop on Wikipedia.
Also, there's no need to call me sir, I'm a lot younger than most people on this site, and I'm not an admin either. Hope this helps. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 01:08, 13 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
These directions are for editing the wikitext. If you use the visual editor (where the article is shown mostly the same regardless of whether you are editing) you have "easy to use" icons for doing the same things. There may be some third option on mobile. But if you get to the wikitext you can copy any code from any article, and if it doesn't contain too "smart" templates, it should work.
The upload wizard on Commons may feel daunting, but it is mostly quite straight forward and you will get used to it. You could look at some similar images to see what categories and descriptions usually look like. Here on Wikivoyage, you mostly have to first click the image, and then the "view on Wikimedia Commons" or "description page there" links to get to the true description page. If you get to the image viewer, the link is called something like "more information".
If you still have problems, please tell exactly what you have been doing and what did not work.
LPfi (talk) 11:38, 13 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

20:26, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Highland Cinema

Hi there - I see that you removed the listing I recently tried to add for Highland Cinema in Fort William, as being an attempt to advertise or promote a business or service. Fair comment - it's my first time editing a Wiki, so was not too aware of the requirements. Can you advise how I can make a second attempt at this with impartial, factual language, or are you able to edit my original text to make it acceptable? I feel we should definitely be listed as something to either see or do in the town, though not even sure which! As we have a café bar too, we could also be included under the eat and drink sections. Any guidance you can provide gratefully received.

Thanks, Hamish —The preceding comment was added by HighlandCinema (talkcontribs)

Hello and welcome. Did you read the links posted to your talk page? Read the welcome, business owners page and the don't tout guidelines, and then if you have more questions, feel free to ask them in a reply below. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:10, 15 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for replying Ikan Kekek. Sorry for not responding Hamish, as it was 03:27 in my local timezone so I haven't had a chance. I don't have anything much to add onto that, apart from the advice Ikan has given you. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 07:45, 16 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

Emptying user pages

I think we should not blank user pages even if the user is globally locked. Adding the template is reasonable, so people know what happened, but users who have contributed constructively should have right to present themselves also after having been locked (given their presentation isn't vandalism in itself).

Removing the presentation by a user may also legally infringe on their right to be attributed, based on moral rights and the "by" clause of the licence: their contributions are attributed to the user name, which is coupled to their real life or pseudonymous identity mostly through the user page. Especially if the user name is non-descriptive, it might be deemed like changing the attributions not longer to point to themselves.

LPfi (talk) 08:25, 17 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

Sorry for a late response. I read this response yesterday while bludging a meeting (which had really nothing to do with me) but was too tired to respond. While I get what you're trying to say, locked users' userpages almost always have the template {{locked}} on it. While I haven't seen much people from meta adding it here, I've seen it a lot on commons. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 12:04, 18 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
Sorry for the fingerslip rollback. Have good weekend. Ground Zero (talk) 12:16, 18 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
No worries, and no need to be sorry. I've made this mistake a lot (especially when I first got rollback - only on this wiki though), but once I disabled one touch click, I haven't made that mistake ever since. Enjoy your Friday. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 12:19, 18 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
SHB, are you a patroller then on this wiki? We can make you one if not; no one will mind in your case. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 13:07, 18 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
Yes, GZ made me a patroller and a temp editor in April. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 13:08, 18 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
Great! --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 13:10, 18 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
 :) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 13:11, 18 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
I have seen blanking of user pages elsewhere, but I have not seen any convincing arguments for doing so. If the page is blatant touting or the user has contributed nothing that wasn't reverted, then I think blanking is OK, but if we are to attribute the user, then we should attribute them by linking to a user page in the form they chose themselves (with possible templates or manual explanations). –LPfi (talk) 13:36, 18 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
Maybe it's just a commons thing. But check User:Naledi Mathatho or User:Nale Mathatho. They had userpages, and yet they have the {{locked}} template. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 13:40, 18 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
Those are unproblematic, as the accounts haven't contributed significantly. User:CatDog1234539 has lots of unreverted edits (I didn't check how much remains, but I suppose they haven't been edited away). –LPfi (talk) 15:18, 18 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

Guide status

I've reverted Lagos back to usable status for now because Lagos#Eat had some improperly formatted listings without enough information, IMO. Wikivoyage:City article status states that a guide status article should "closely match the manual of style" and I can't see that the article is there yet. I've instead upgraded Ibadan to guide status. Even though it has less information, it is consistently formatted, uses coordinates in almost all listings and includes detail for all listings. Let me know if you disagree or noticed something I missed. Thanks. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 14:22, 19 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

I was definitely too rewarding I see. I thought I might upgrade some of these to encourage some editors here to keep up the good work. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 23:25, 19 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
Sure. I don’t mind upgrading a little early for these editors, but that one just didn’t have what was necessary for status in my opinion. Thanks for your help with these contributors, though, and hopefully soon Lagos will be a guide status article. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 00:48, 20 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
Hopefully... and I think they will. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 03:51, 20 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
Tbh, hopefully Old Oyo National Park is almost there as well. Just needs a custom pagebanner... SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 04:00, 20 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
If there are pictures in Commons I could do that one. By the way as you mentioned traveling on rural routes have you ever thought about writing itineraries or travel topics to Australian roads? Could be very interesting, particularly in the Outback. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 10:22, 20 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
I've started to do some really outback ones like Strzelecki Track, National Route 83 and some really far outback towns such as Innamincka, Lyndhurst (South Australia), Menindee, Bedourie and Tibooburra. I'm still in the process of doing Stuart Highway and A32 (still need to create A32, but I've only been on 47% of the route.
And for OONP, I looked onto commons and flickr, sadly there were none. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 11:10, 20 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
Wow, sounds good. Thanks for writing this. All we need now is a Wittenoom article... --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 11:15, 20 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
If I only get to go to WA ;) Fun fact, Like most people who live on the east coast, I've never been to the west coast, but I've been to both the east and west coast of the US numerous times :). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 11:19, 20 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
Wow, you’ve traveled quite internationally. Australia is definitely a place I’d like to visit in the long run. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 12:18, 20 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
 :) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 12:21, 20 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

Editting on WikiVoyage

SHB2000Thank you for kind words.I will surely do that.Thank you so much.--Zend2020 (talk) 04:28, 21 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

No worries. You can come and ask me anytime if you need help. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 04:32, 21 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

Number of edits

Hey SHB2000, do you have a list of editors by their number of edits? I'm aware of such a list on Wikipedia but don't know of any here. Just curious because you seem to be aware of how many edits everyone has. Gizza (roam) 11:56, 21 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

Unfortunately not. I just so happen to know everyone's edits since I have this tool enabled. It's a pretty useful tool to know whether someone wants to referred to as he or she or them. But there is a website here that has the "most active editors" which you can see here. All the best! SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 12:01, 21 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
Ah thanks. The only list of sorts I know is this but it's out of date (31 Jan 2019). Search for "50 recently active wikivoyagers" and you will find two tables of Wikivoyagers by their total edit count along with other information like number of articles created and date of first edit. Gizza (roam) 12:33, 21 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
On mobile, if you go to any diff, I believe it states the number of contributions by the user who made the change, if that helps. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 12:43, 21 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
It does something like this. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 12:46, 21 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

15:50, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

This Month in Education: June 2021

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Volume 10 • Issue 6 • June 2021


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Silversand

Why did you revert this edit as "Possible touting? (TwinkleGlobal)". I see nothing touty about the listing. Did you just trust Twinkle or is there something I don't see? –LPfi (talk) 12:30, 27 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

It's most likely just a business owner just trying to add their business here. That's obviously banned here. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 12:32, 27 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
I could be wrong, but I'm not sure a business adding itself as a listing is banned (although it may well be discouraged). I'm also don't see any indication this user is associated with the business. Therefore, in this case I have to agree with User:LPfi. I would support restoring the listing. This edit may stand out because not many business listings have been added of late due to the pandemic, but as some places re-open, we may see more users adding business listings for places they have visited. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 13:04, 27 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
Touting is banned, and Wikivoyage:Welcome business owners clearly indicate that a business may contribute to Wikivoyage, but aren't allowed to list their own business. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 13:08, 27 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
Sorry, but I don't see where it says that businesses can't list their own business. I see in that page the following: "The key guideline is: "Don't tout." Save the sales pitch and just tell it like it is." That seems to tolerate business owners adding their own business listing. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 13:15, 27 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
Sorry, wrong page. In Wikivoyage:Don't tout, there's a section in here that states the following:
Since this user added a campsite onto the Silversand, would that count as touting? I could be wrong, but if I am, feel free to revert me, although I would like to know what User:Ikan Kekek would call this (has dealt with touts all the time). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 13:22, 27 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
But I'll revert myself for now, until Ikan says something about this. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 13:24, 27 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
(edit conflict) Looking at the wording specifically, maybe too specifically, it refers to "hotel chain" and "marketing agency." This isn't a chain, which is covered at Wikivoyage:Boring. It's also not a marketing agency for an organization similar to either of these. That's my take, but definitely Ikan Kekek is the expert in the area of touting and might have a different opinion. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 13:26, 27 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
That's very true. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 13:28, 27 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
Yes. And I think that wording is intentionally telling about those two categories and not individual business owners. For a place like Rishikesh, we might not want the umpteenth company listing themselves with little useful information, so I understand if we are a bit harsh there. But for Hanko we had one sole hotel and no campsite before the edit. I believe there are more than a few accommodations there (it's a resort town, beside an industry and port one), but probably not more campsites than what will fit nicely (I'd guess three or so). For such an article I'd just detout even an obviously touty listing. –LPfi (talk) 13:53, 27 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
This listing, which started this discussion, is not that informative but contains no touting whatsoever. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:52, 27 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

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16:32, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Nice work on the Nigeria cafe

I'm starting to come around to the idea that you should be an admin. ;-) Ground Zero (talk) 17:16, 28 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

 :) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 00:39, 29 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

Awesome work @SHB2000 I totally agree with Ground Zero it is nice to have so much help .We are truly overwhelmed with the kindness and great spirit of collaboration.--Zend2020 (talk) 18:20, 29 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

Thank you Zend2020! SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 00:46, 30 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

Sydney Harbour

This page is linked the lede of the new article. It’s called a disambiguation page but doesn’t resemble one. Any ideas for what to do with it? Should it be redirected to the Sydney Harbour Park article? --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 03:26, 1 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

Probably. But it could also mean Sydney/Harbour Islands. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 03:28, 1 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

Itinerary time

You might want to check your "time taken" entry in Wikivoyage:Nigeria café#Itineraries and specify means of transport, road quality etc: "by helicopter, without stops"? :-) –LPfi (talk) 09:29, 1 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

Sure. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 09:32, 1 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
Done that, but not sure what else to add. Also by all means, if you want to, you can edit my post. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 09:36, 1 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
You still say 240 km in 2 hr. That is quite som speed. Are there 240 km stretches of motorways in Nigeria? I don't think we have any in Finland. –LPfi (talk) 09:41, 1 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
Okay, so I as usual, have chosen a terrible example (I was thinking of average speeds in the US and Australia.) Apparently it looks like a good A route's speed limit is only around 70km/h based on this. I was also having the same mentality that expressways have the same speed limit as rural roads, but it's not (Australia is just an exception). After doing some research though, there's no chance of going 120km/h on an expressway like this. I'll change the example to 240km in 4 hrs. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 09:51, 1 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
 :-)
I did some edits. Feel free to improve. The 60 km/h of your research is better than my 80 km/h, based on our country roads (I knew they would't match, but I had no better estimate).
On the Do/Sleep/...: I did include a Sleep section in Understand of Nordkalottleden, and I think a similar section could be used in some Nigerian itineraries; although most of that should go into Nigeria#Sleep, itineraries through a national park or similar could have enough of special considerations.
LPfi (talk) 10:23, 1 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for the edits. Mostly Australian rural roads are 100-130km/h on flat roads, and around 80-100km/h on alpine roads. At least your example of 80km/h is better than my 120. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 11:15, 1 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
In Florida the limit is 120km/h but 140 km/h isn’t unheard of and some go even faster (urban areas included). You avoid motorways when possible! --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 14:38, 1 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
While in NSW the max is only 110, it seems to be quite controversial (as the government is thought to just claim money off fines). But there's 130 in other parts of the country (and there was once no speed limit, but that came to an end when Labor took over). But like most people, we just go 120 on highways where there's no police, and a car only comes once an hour (so approx 24 cars per day) including some like this. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 01:22, 2 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
100 km/h requires good roads, much better than what I suppose most country roads are in Nigeria. Over here in Finland we have forest), and in 100 km/h you'd have no chance to avoid wildlife stepping out on the road (except with very wide shoulders, such as in Lapland and by motorways: highways have wildlife fences, but you need to let the animals through somewhere). Environmentally, I've heard that (certain?) small birds, eating insects above the road, can avoid cars coming in 80 km/h, but not those driving 90 km/h. Moreover, in highway speeds air resistance dominates the fuel consumption equation, and air resistance doubles from 90 km/h to 130 km/h. –LPfi (talk) 13:39, 2 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
I have been traumatised from going 100km/h these days at dusk, as I was in a car that almost hit a kangaroo last Saturday (was as a passenger), but that was at dusk in the Snowy Mountains. But there's also roads like this that it's quite hard to believe there's a 100km/h limit. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 13:44, 2 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

Edit summaries

Hi SHB2000. I appreciate that dealing with some new users is difficult, but we need to avoid edit summaries such as this one as representatives of a community. Thanks. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 13:36, 3 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

Sorry about that. I was just annoyed at this user because doing SWViewer Patrolling would ideally mean you'd get a fair share of problems with all wikis but there was an excess of WV problems, and I suspect I've seen a user like this before. Hopefully, I'll change my attitude for dealing with users like this better next time. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 01:51, 4 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
Understandable, no worries just wanted to make clear policy on the matter. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 02:13, 4 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
Yeah, I shouldn't make this mistake at all after Friday. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 02:25, 4 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

You said you didn’t understand why I got TPA revoked on Wikipedia.

I think the reason why I got TPA revoked on Wikipedia was because Wolfson didn’t think I was ready to be on Wikipedia yet due to that scandal I was involved in that lead to the block, and the fact that I breached his restrictions in the first place. I pledged never to make stupid mistakes like that again during my unblock request (which the TPA unrevoked just for), but instead got TPA re-revoked for insolence. We’ll see what happens in November. The only mistake I made in Wikivoyage however was that pointless discussion Ikan Kekek was talking about, in presidents of the United States.

Anyways, how’s life? JTZegers (talk) 18:52, 3 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

Makes sense to me, lets see how that goes in November. Anyway life's good for me, only without Covid. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 01:48, 4 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

17:33, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Organised crime

Just so you know, we have an Organized crime article. I did mention Ned Kelly in that article, though I don't know if you think it's appropriate. But in any case, if you know about any tourist sites connected to organised crime in Australia, please feel free to expand. The dog2 (talk) 22:22, 6 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for the link. Wasn't aware of the article. Apart from Ned Kelly sites, I'm not sure on any other place. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:58, 6 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
You could expand to include other Australian cities like Sydney and Perth, if you are familiar with them. The dog2 (talk) 00:01, 7 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
Not sure about any organized crime in Syd or Perth. I've only studied about the Kellys before, but I could expand on more Kelly sites there. I could also add things about Harry Powers, but I'm not too familiar with that. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:27, 7 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
You already created the Ned Kelly article, so it makes sense to put things related to Ned Kelly in that article you created instead of the organised crime article. Just wondering if you knew more. The dog2 (talk) 01:09, 7 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
Sadly not. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 01:13, 7 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
@The dog2: A little late reply, but this came to mind. Maybe either Vaticidalprophet would know more about SA, LivelyRatification may know more about Victoria, and Graham87 would be more familiar with WA. Unfortunately, in the two states I've lived in, having just done some research, none so famous in NSW or Qld. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 06:19, 9 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

Admin

Congratulations, you have joined the mop and pail crew! You will see some new tools, which you're probably familiar with from your work on other Wikis. Always feel free to lean on me and other admins, but also remember that we gave you a vote of confidence and trust you to use these tools wisely.

All the best,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:01, 9 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

Thank you so much. Would you have any advice for me, on top of the advice about dealing with vandals and Brendan? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:16, 9 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
Nothing more than what I said in the nomination thread about not worrying much about Brendan and not getting burnt out. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:34, 9 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
also, if you didn't know. a lot of his accounts from the last 21 days were CU confirmed and thus, now locked. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:36, 9 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
Doesn't matter much. His vandalism is easily reverted, he uses one account for 1-2 edits, and he doesn't do real damage other than through copyvio if it isn't reverted. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:35, 10 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

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Template talk:Yy and the protection of your user talk page

A talk page about a deleted template, crediting a Wikipedia article. We normally don't delete any talk pages of articles that legitimately existed before, but maybe we should in this case.

On a more important matter, I think that the edit protection of your user talk page should have been lifted when you became an administrator. I don't think administrators are supposed to limit access to their user talk pages. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:18, 12 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

For the template, I deleted it because the code wouldn't work, so I chose to use a table instead for portraying userboxes.
Unfortunately, you'd think that after three months, I'd be free from Ljupco harassment, but unfortunately I am still not. While no vandalism on my user and talk pages for a while, I still get email threats on my old email which I no longer use. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 21:53, 12 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
I get email notifications, too. Goes with the territory. I suggest you end the limited access to your user talk page. If not, I think we'll have to discuss at Wikivoyage talk:User rights nominations why it's OK for you as an administrator to limit access to your user talk page. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:36, 12 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
Yes Done will be removed in one hour. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:39, 12 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
Thanks. Sorry to be so assertive about this. You understand why an IP user might legitimately want to discuss stuff with you, I think. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:58, 12 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
True. I'll still leave my IP talk page open though. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:01, 12 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

Long blocks of Brendan IPs or usernames

What's the point in that? I never block his accounts anymore, as he uses an account once or twice and then creates another. Only when I'm really in doubt that it's him do I post a user talk page message. I fear you may be too obsessed with him. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:31, 13 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

Unblocked. Also it seems like he's moved from Sydney to the Sunshine Coast in the past month, which may also explain the lack of reverts we've done in the last week or two. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:04, 13 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

userbox

I'll check it out later. Thank u very much! Azmi1995 (talk) 11:11, 13 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

 :) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:20, 13 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

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Good wishes to you

I hope that you are able to get on top of your health issues quickly. It must be difficult dealing with the health care system when its focus is on the pandemic. Ground Zero (talk) 12:08, 18 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

Thank you for the wishes. I do certainly agree with the focus on the pandemic, and I wish I could get vaccinated, but yet the government here is still in their "over 40s" rollout, with the vaccine rollout quite mixed up with Pfizer and AstraZeneca here. How's it like up there? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:14, 18 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
Our government realized that there was no point in relying on Trump's US for vaccines, so it made deals with European manufacturers, because the Europeans would trade fairly, wouldn't they? They didn't. Europe was blocking exports for a while, so we got started after the US, UK and Europe, but we caught up quickly. Now almost 80% of people 12 and up have had at least one shot, and 50% are fully vaxxed, so new cases have fallen in Ontario (13.5 million people) from almost 4000/day to 150. Hospitals are working on the backlog of non-Covid treatments. Restaurants, shops and gyms are reopening, but some services are still not available. Most people I know are fully vaccinated now, so we are starting to see friends in person, in small groups, outside if possible. I'm still being careful, but looking forward to starting a big road trip in about a month from now, and hoping that the Northwest Territories will be open by the time I get there. I'll still go on the trip though even if NWT is closed. My first shot was AstraZeneca, with some side effects, and the second was Pfizer, with none. I know no-one who had anything other than temporary side effects. I have one friend who got covid after his first shot, and it was bad, but he was not hospitalized, and made a full recovery. We know other people who lost family members. Stay safe. Ground Zero (talk) 12:28, 18 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
That seems a lot better than the Australian government did. Ours did the same as well, and relied on Europe. But they were also blocking exports here, so we only started three months after the US. Now, there's only 10% of the population fully vaccinated with 28% having received a jab (includes the 10% as well). Government had too much hope on AZ and so they only ordered about 10 million Pfizer doses, until there was a survey after someone had died after taking AZ, showing that a majority of under 50 wanted Pfizer, which led to a large disruption of vaccines. Later it was said that only over 60's were able to take AZ but over 40's can take it if they want, but Pfizer was coming soon. And then a hotel quarantine breach (Delta strain) led to our premier not putting a lockdown and now it's gone to a disaster with about 100 cases a day, needing contact tracers from interstate/interterritory (if interterritory is a thing). It also spread to neighbouring Victoria as well, so now they're also in lockdown with us. So still most people I know are unvaccinated, or only on their first dose.
Hope I can go to my trip back up to the skifields when lockdown is over, even though I'm probably not going to get my vaccine for at least another three months, and maybe into neighbouring South Australia or at least the western part of New South Wales. But until then, I'll probably only be drafting articles on fr.wikivoyage where there was only one article for the entirety of New South Wales (Now there's four).
But enjoy your road trip in a months time to the north west, and stay safe. Covid has really made people explore their own backyards (not in Europe though) :) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:44, 18 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
I hope you recover soon and are able to get vaccinated. Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:39, 18 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
Thank you :) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 21:45, 18 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

15:32, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Please avoid loose talk

Especially now that you're an admin yourself, I would appreciate if you wouldn't make statements like this. The fact that you weren't there in 2018 doesn't mean it's OK for you to cast any whiff of aspersions on those of us who were. I think you've read through the userban threads about this individual in full. If you haven't, please do so before you give any kind of acknowledgement of his outrageously self-entitled bullshit claims again. Thanks.

All the best,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:17, 21 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

OK, I'll try not to do that again and I apologize, but next time, could you please leave the message on commons since I made this loose statement on commons. (It's just for my record keeping so it's on the relevant wiki that I made the mistake it.) Sorry again and yes, I have read all the userban threads. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:26, 21 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
For some extra clarification, I meant that AC may have felt that way, but not that we actually didn't follow policies (everything was to policy for extra clarification). But the second time was well clear, and there was no AC complains that we weren't following policies when we did the UBN the second time. I just said that so AC can stop blabbering about "but it was against policies". SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:34, 21 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
Yes, they may feel that way, but acknowledging their feelings in the way you did was acknowledging that they might have been in their right. The forum was wrong for venting that discontent and for the acknowledgement. Discussing in public one needs to think about how one's statements can be interpreted and how they may affect the reputation of the project. –LPfi (talk) 09:46, 21 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
Well, the way how AC just went up to ANU on commons and just randomly said that, I tried my best to just calm AC down. Not acknowledging someone's feelings (including the George Reeves Person), is just plain disrespect and everyone deserves respect, don't they? But in no way was I meaning to acknowledge that AC was right about that, I just wanted to acknowledge their feelings and how they may feel. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:55, 21 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
OK, I can buy that. Just try to be very careful. –LPfi (talk) 10:03, 21 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
Sure. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:04, 21 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
@Ikan Kekek, LPfi: I just struck the comment so there's no further misinterpretations. I apologize for that comment, and I'll try my best to not do that again. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:03, 21 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
Appreciated. I posted here because I don't want to discuss this with the banned individual. And I don't think his feelings deserve respect, sorry. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:05, 21 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
I see. That makes sense and on third thought it seems like it's better to post it here so AC can't comment. Also, there's no need to be sorry to me, as I completely understand his racist words have caused harm on many, including almost, if not all user's feelings who participated in the UBN #1, and while if you compare AC with the George Reeves Person, AC's content was more intolerable, but with GRP you could just rollback his edits (unless you're one of his hated few people, and yes, to this day, I still get email threats from him), so maybe as usual, I've chosen something in the terrible examples department (including one that diverted attention from a lot of people on Wikivoyage talk:Measurements). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:14, 21 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
This person has a (worsening) tendency to write veiled threats at the Wikivoyage community and claim feelings (falsely). The way s/he added offending content disguised as district reorganization is an example of his or her sneaky behavior. Indefinite ban was the right decision on WV’s part, and I wouldn’t trust any of AC’s claimed “feelings” because these were always a motive to be allowed back into the website to write more objectionable content. If AC enters a discussion across wiki, apart from clarifying to others that this user’s comments ought to be ignored, probably best not to dignify with a response. However I do wonder if we should seek a global ban on AC, since this pattern of trolling is disruptive and represents his objectionable behavior carrying over multiple wikis. And the anti-Semitic statements he slipped into articles during district reorganization to avoid being noticed would certainly be enough to convince the Wikimedia community to enact a ban. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 10:39, 21 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
Is a global ban even a thing (there's locks, but that isn't the same)? But the only good thing in my opinion about AC is their work on nl.voy, which is cleaning up Luchy04's copyvios. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:42, 21 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────See m:Global bans. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 10:46, 21 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

AC would fail the criteria in this case, but if they do get blocked on another WMF project, he may as well pass. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:49, 21 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
True. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 10:53, 21 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

User:Melody (actress)

Why did you block her indefinitely? I would ask what she wants to upload a photo of and why, but I don't see any evidence yet that she's a spambot. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:42, 25 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

Look at their contributions on other wikis as well. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 21:50, 25 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
Also they are locked. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:22, 26 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
OK. And thanks for taking care of the unblacklisting. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:19, 26 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
 :) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:21, 26 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

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21:11, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Philosophy

You might be interested in reading about m:immediatism and m:eventualism. Most contributors fall somewhere between the extremes, but if you tend towards the one, you may find yourself frustrated with people who naturally tend towards the other. WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:48, 27 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for the articles. Definitely good articles to read :). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 03:33, 27 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
You're welcome. There are a number of interesting pages tucked away over at Meta-Wiki. One of my favorites is m:The Wrong Version. :-) WhatamIdoing (talk) 04:56, 27 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
tbh these are even better than those on Meatball wiki in my opinion :) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:00, 27 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
My favorite there is meatball:GoodBye. What's yours? WhatamIdoing (talk) 15:50, 27 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
Nice. Mine is meatball:DefendEachOther, which has been quite relevant to me since April. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 21:40, 27 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
I like that one, too. We don't always do enough of it. WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:54, 27 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
Agree, but it was well used in 2013 (for Wrh2 and PeterFitzgerald). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:00, 28 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

information reverted

Moved from User talk:SHB2000/IP talk page

the addition I just made is simply to expand the information to travel in buenos aires and the link I have put is only a directory of remises that I found when I went to argentia. —The preceding comment was added by Snakepet73 (talkcontribs)

Read What not to link to. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:13, 25 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

Redirect to userspace

I don't think redirects from the template space to user space are something we should have. There is a host of problem with those, in principle and in practice. I don't think that is a controversial standing.

{{s}} did not have community support, and I think there was consensus against it. You wanted it moved to user space, and that is OK. But leaving the redirect means in effect that the template remains, just that the community has lost control over it, which is kind of unacceptable.

When I first changed the redirect, I supposed {{Support}} would work as support. When I noticed it don't (which is odd, but seemingly the original behaviour), I added a default handling that obvious use. I suppose that after my change (which I did 3 hr before your revert), your edit comment "[...] {{support}} does not work on its own so it may cause disruption to wherever it's used" is no longer true.

Could you check that I am right and revert your revert.

LPfi (talk) 11:31, 28 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

The reason I reverted your edit was because it has been used in some discussions. It may not have got community support, but deleting it or breaking the redirect would cause some issues on pages where it is used.
For starters, I'm usually OK with people editing my subpages, just not my userpage (hence the protection), my archives (also protected) and other protected pages. So maybe I should redirect it back to {{s}} meaning the community would have control over it.
So in conclusion, I wouldn't change the redirect target.
--SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:48, 28 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
You could move the template back, overwriting the redirect, pending the conclusion of the discussion – where is it? Was it in the Pub? I cannot find it right now. But if the solution was to move the template to your user space instead of deleting it outright, then it should be moved without redirect.
It is used in some discussions, which is why I redirected it to {{support}}, which should work well enough. Did you check before reverting me? Did you check as I asked you to now? Is there some issue left with using that template?
Of course, if also {{support}} should be deleted, then we need another solution. I don't think substituting the template call with <nowiki></nowiki> would be too bad: the template is used in archived discussions, and those who use an experimental template shouldn't be too surprised if it gets deleted. And indeed: using an experimental template cannot be a way to get it saved from deletion.
LPfi (talk) 14:46, 28 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
OK, I'll revert myself, but I'll try and get {{support}} fixed first. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 21:34, 28 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
OK, fine. But please first tell me what's wrong with my version. –LPfi (talk) 08:48, 29 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
Yes Done SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:50, 29 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

Do not change other users' comments

Do not change others users' comments. Your change to my comment completely changed the meaning, which is deceptive and absolutely inappropriate. Do not do that again. —Granger (talk · contribs) 14:03, 1 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Mx. Granger: we do have a custom of deleting abusive comments. When I deleted the Pub discussion heading calling the work the SHB2000 and I do on skeleton articles a "Redirect Cult", that move was supported by several editors. The author of that attack later acknowledged the "it should have been left unsaid".
Was your comment abusive, or just hostile? That is a matter of opinion. But couldn't you find a less hostile way of making your point? The internet is full of toxic environments; let's not let Wikivoyage become one of them. One of the Nigeria Expedition participants told me that "Wikivoyage is much friendlier than Wikipedia". I think that is a strength we should preserve.
Everything SHB2000 has done here has been to improve Wikivoyage, so this type of comment makes when you lash out in the way you did, you make Wikivoyage less fun.
SHB2000 started the AfD discussion because he believes that discouraging the creation of redirects from search terms people never use will improve Wikivoyage. You are free to disagree with him, but I encourage you to do so in a friendlier way. If someone is criticized attacked for even starting a discussion in a collaborative project, they will be less likely to do so again, and less likely to contribute.
I have no doubt that I have made hostile remarks in the past, and I am going to do my best to avoid doing so again. Ground Zero (talk) 15:11, 1 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
I apologize for phrasing comments in an unkind way. I'll try to work on that, and on remembering that text doesn't convey tone of voice. I think it's reasonable to remove abusive comments, but it's inappropriate to modify another user's comment to change its meaning. —Granger (talk · contribs) 17:52, 1 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
Question: How did that change the meaning? And I believe Ground Zero has it all covered. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:51, 1 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Let's remind ourselves what Granger's comment said. It said: "Can't we find better ways to improve Wikivoyage than debating whether or not to keep wordy but harmless redirects?". That's not "hostile" or "abusive". That doesn't look like someone "lashing out", nor does it look like an "attack", nor is it "toxic" (nor, for the record "unkind"). And it's not remotely comparable to the attention-seeking, bullying rubbish posted in the Pub about the "redirect cult". I completely understand that when nastiness is introduced to a project in that way, it can make us feel less secure about expressing ourselves freely and put us on guard in expectation of further attacks. But bear in mind that it can also make us more sensitive to disagreement, perceiving instances of such as criticism, and seeing attacks where there aren't any. And unfortunately, I think, the latter is what's happened here.

@Ground Zero: I'm sorry to say that I find your message above an inappropriate response to a polite suggestion that the community may have better ways to spend its time (not a suggestion I agreed with, by the way, but one which I found totally reasonable and well within the bounds of good faith, politeness, and decency). Without getting into specific examples, it's a type of comment I've seen you make numerous times when you perceive us to be wasting time on e.g. political content or historical background info. On such occasions, you suggest that we instead focus our efforts on writing travel content. Often, your perception is justified and the community agrees with you; other times it's not and we don't. But I don't believe you've ever been attacked or criticised for simply suggesting we move on to other things; if you have, you shouldn't have been.

The specific words of yours I quoted above (hostile, abusive, toxic, attack, lashing out) are so far from my reading of Granger's comment, that even though you believe them to be apt, I honestly don't even know where you got them from. And I feel that they've unfortunately injected a degree of unpleasantness into this discussion that didn't have to be. Genuine question: how would you go about making Granger's comment friendlier? I'm serious; please demonstrate how you would rephrase that comment to make it less abusive and more friendly, while still making the same point.

I also thought the censorship of Granger's comment was inappropriate. @SHB2000:, if you found the comment offensive, you could have gone on Granger's talk page, said "Hey, I found your comment on VFD hurtful because of x and y" and it could have been sorted out between you. One of your key strengths I've observed of you, at least on WV, is your force of personality. You're honest and up front, but also charismatic and likeable; in short, you're more than capable of handling a disagreement directly instead of through censorship.

Perhaps we could all consider these (slightly modified) wise words: "If someone is attacked (and censored) for writing a polite opinion on a collaborative project, they will be less likely to do so again, and less likely to contribute."--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 10:34, 2 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for the advice tt!, I'll take that into note. To the question of

Genuine question: how would you go about making Granger's comment friendlier? I'm serious; please demonstrate how you would rephrase that comment to make it less abusive and more friendly, while still making the same point.

The answer is that the comment was not needed in the first place. I don't know if it's just me overreacting, but I found that quite unnecessary. I could have handled it better though, and I'll take that into account next time. Specifically, I found

Can't we find better ways to improve Wikivoyage

quite offensive considering that if you take the context out of it, it'd mean that I do nothing constructive, which is what does not get the ball rolling. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:46, 2 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
@ThunderingTyphoons!: Indeed, I have made similar comments in the past. That is why I wrote "I have no doubt that I have made hostile remarks in the past, and I am going to do my best to avoid doing so again." In this case, we are talking about Granger criticizing SHB2000 for bringing something up for discussion, and SHB's proposal is supported by several other contributors. SHB2000 clearly found Granger's comment to be hostile. In the case of a particular contributor who I feel contributes relatively little travel content, but spends most of his time here writing on politics and history, sometimes very inaccurately, I feel the comment is warranted. When he stirs up unnecessary political debates, it diverts other contributors from the useful work they could be doing. SHB2000 has established a record of constructive contributions.
I agree that as Granger is a long-established constructive editor, raising the issue on their talk page would have been a better approach for SHB2000 to take than deleting the comment. Ground Zero (talk) 11:15, 2 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
I have reviewed my comments as you suggested, and changed words that I agree I shouldn't have used. Thank you for calling me out on that. I, too, need to try to be more be civil. Ground Zero (talk) 12:16, 2 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
Thanks both for the measured replies. I feared I was going upset people further, but am glad this has been avoided.
GZ, you've misinterpreted my point about your similar comments in the past. I wasn't suggesting those comments of yours have ever been hostile, or that you shouldn't have made them. Indeed they weren't hostile, you should have made them, and I expect and hope you will again. If/when you do, you shouldn't be criticised for doing so. But equally, when another user makes a similar suggestion to move onto other things, don't criticise them for it either! We should all be free to politely state whether or not we believe something is a good use of volunteers' time. Doing so isn't an act of hostility, nor is it abusive, unless it includes hostile or abusive language. And I reiterate my view that "Can't we find better ways to improve Wikivoyage than debating whether or not to keep wordy but harmless redirects?" was neither abusive nor hostile.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:49, 2 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
I'm shocked by this thread. SHB2000, you do a lot of good work, which is why we wanted you to be an admin and promoted you by unanimous acclamation, but we all need to have thicker skins than to take a remark like "Can't we find better ways to improve Wikivoyage than debating whether or not to keep wordy but harmless redirects?" as such a personal attack that we edit the remark when someone else has posted it! The remark is blunt but to my mind a good way to focus us on an issue, and I agreed with the point. I don't find anything about the remark a problem, though it's possible that if I were in your shoes, I might have, but I find the editing of the remark by you a big problem, indeed. I may have missed it, but have you promised in this thread to never edit other users' comments again except in extreme situations like doxxing and so forth? Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:39, 2 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
My view on this lies somewhere between the opinions of TT and GZ. I think we have some work to do to make Wikivoyage fun. Negativity has survived in pockets of Wikivoyage for some time and while some of it and its opinions are justified, I think it's a good time to have a more "go with the flow" attitude when a contributor or policymaker has a different opinion. At Wikipedia, negativity wasn't stamped out, and it's damaged if not destroyed the website's collaborative value. There are likely other wikis as bad for this as WP, and while WV isn't one of those, the use of policy to put down others is an issue here and I'm glad a few people are finally taking that behavior to task.
But we have to balance that with the right to express one's opinion whether positive or negative. I didn't agree with Granger's sentiment, but the right to express that sentiment should be defended by everyone including SHB2000. What Granger said was directly relevant to the VFD nomination and caused no harm. It's not a personal attack as Granger didn't single out anyone, and even used the first person to avoid a condescending tone. Let's not overstep our administrative bounds and good faith by targeting anything seen as negative. Removing a comment has the same effect as cutting words out of a speech or written document that is attributed to someone. If I attributed a speech or written work to someone and then removed parts of the content with which I didn't agree, that would be seen as a misrepresentation of the beliefs of the author. I agree with Ikan Kekek on this, though I wouldn't go so far as to call it a "big problem," as long as it's resolved going forward.
Despite that strong opinion, fundamentally, my views are more in line with those of GZ and SHB than anyone else on this thread, although I think there's merit to all sides of the discussion. On a collaborative project, we need to act as though this is a collaborative project, and we should do what we can to promote positivity across-wiki. Positive thinking seems like the best way to expand our contributor base and, therefore, our travel content. To be inclusive we need to focus on the original goal of this wiki, which is travel content, rather than removing parts of the travel content with which we don't agree. I don't think the way to promote positivity is to single out Granger and anyone else and censor them for a lack of positivity. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 18:57, 2 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

Not censored

I am a bit puzzled by your edit summary "No WMF project is censored" in response to "Edited a few of the links as some were showing adult 18+ websites". I suppose the reverted edit itself was about something else (a link was replaced by another, by a one-edit user), but I don't think we have any reason to link porn sites (isn't that what "18+ website" means?). Editorial discretion and censorship are different things. –LPfi (talk) 04:43, 2 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

True... OK you know what, on third thought, I'll revert the edit. Also to @LPfi: just a heads up, but GRP might come back here after three hours of edit warring with him on simple (have a look at this for some context). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:36, 2 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for the heads-up. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 10:52, 2 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

Very long page protections

The reason I came to your talk page was not to join in the above dispute, but actually to ask that you don't place unreasonably long protections on pages. Examples I'm referring to are:

  • Chess semi-protected indefinitely - I have lifted this protection. If we permanently stop unconfirmed users from editing a page on our guide, on account of an LTA's activities on another wiki, then we're unwittingly allowing that LTA to set the agenda.
  • Liverpool semi-protected for two years - I have reduced to one month, which can be increased gradually if the page is targetted again in September. Two years is far too long for new users to be unable to edit a popular page on "the travel guide that you can edit". Again, we mustn't allow the vandals to set the agenda.
  • Talk:Gori semi-protected for two years - Talk pages should be protected for just long enough to stop the vandalism; two years is an excessively long time, particularly if down the line the article Gori gets protected for one reason or another.

By contrast, the nonsense word Hjudfyrta being fully protected (until July 3022!) is a good use of the tool. There's no conceivable good-faith use of a page under that name, so protecting it forever was the best course of action. I doubt Wikivoyage will still be here in 1000 years, but if it is then a place called Hjudfyrta might have been built; it may even be a natural evolution of a modern city's name like Hertford!--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 11:04, 2 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

Okay, so maybe I'm taking this Lupco's email threats too seriously. I'll try and not listen to those. And for the 3022 one, yes, I was just testing out whether the mw software allows it, and yes it does. But thanks for letting me know. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:08, 2 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
I'd advise you to not even read those emails, let alone act upon them. That's some cool software. I wonder how far into the future it goes? Can we give an indefbanned user a symbolic 100 consecutive life sentences? (8000 years) :D --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 14:06, 2 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
Hjudfyrta does sound like Old Norse and could theoretically be some really small place in central Sweden or Norway... --Ypsilon (talk) 14:11, 2 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
Yeah, I googled it for that reason just to make sure. It'll probably be a desk lamp sold by Ikea before too long.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 14:22, 2 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
 :-)
On the time: MediaWiki uses boring 31 December 9999 as upper bound. I thought it would use plain 64-bit Unix time, which extends quite a bit past the lifetime of the sun. I don't know the last estimates on the lifetime of the universe, though. –LPfi (talk) 16:22, 2 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
@ThunderingTyphoons!: I feel quite stupid here, but do Ikea sell table lights? I've only ever been to Ikea once and I got lost in the maze then (which was I think in 2012). I thought they were only a shop that sells all these types of small life hacks items plus some other random things? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:53, 2 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

20:48, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

This Month in Education: July 2021

This Month in Education

Volume 10 • Issue 7 • July 2021


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New golden route

Ever since you updated the new golden route article it seems I can only edit source making it less comfortable to edit, was it caused by the upgrade or something else? Thank you

@Tai123.123:, I don't think it was because of the upgrade. That wouldn't cause it, and I don't think there's anything with the template. Perhaps @LPfi:, do you know why? Also, please remember to sign your comments with 4 tildes at the end. (~~~~) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:42, 6 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
Fixed it, it seems I bumped something that defaulted source as my preferred editing style. I'm incredibly sorry for bothering you. Tai123.123 (talk) 00:54, 6 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
There's no need to be sorry. I'm here to help :) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 01:00, 6 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

One more that how do you attach links to the marker template like you did with the tokyo marker Tai123.123 (talk) 04:28, 6 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

Just add the [[]] markup around. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:29, 6 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

Thank you, sorry for bothering you again, I just realized I could create discussion on the New golden route page and will choose to post their instead of messaging you directly. Along with that I'm curious why you speak basic Nauruan and what your realationship with the country is ? (If this is too personal you don't have to answer) Tai123.123 (talk) 05:12, 6 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

I actually have nothing to do with Nauru at all (although it was once an Australian territory, it gained independence in the 70s, well before I was born). The scale comes where I and @7elteven: tried to revive the Nauruan wikipedia. The knowledge of Nauruan and how it worked was a great side effect. Nothing too personal. I can even speak a little bit of other indigenous Australian languages but I only really learned a little bit of two of them because I wanted to learn where I lived. Cheers, SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:18, 6 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

Thank you for your response, I'll try to not bother you again —The preceding comment was added by Tai123.123 (talkcontribs)

There's no need to worry. If you notice at the top, I've even wrote that "Feeling bored and want to have a chat, I'm more than happy to do so." --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:51, 6 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

Abuse filter?

I noticed fhat https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Special:AbuseLog/54784 was caught by the abuse filter. It seems like a good edit. Do you know why it was caught in this manner? --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 10:18, 9 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

Because they legit copypasted it from Yas Island. That's not a good edit. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:20, 9 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
Doing some further investigations, the string "building" was triggered. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:26, 9 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

16:21, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Minimal use of templates

Hi. This rollback was a mistake, and then my internet helpfully dropped off a cliff, so I couldn't quickly undo. But now I think about it, the template you've employed needs approval by the community before deployment.

The introduction is Wikivoyage:Using MediaWiki templates is pretty clear that:

"In general, a template should be discussed prior to being created or modified."

and then under "New Mediawiki template proposals":

"Before a new MediaWiki template is put into general use it needs to be discussed and accepted as good or preferably best practice. Until such acceptance, new templates will be tagged {{experimental}}, and should not be added to more than one low-visibility article—so not Paris. (If other editors object to that addition, though, expect it to be removed until a consensus is reached.) If new templates fail to gain community support, they will eventually be deleted."

It's been noted to you more than once to you by different people that the English Wikivoyage tries to minimise our use of templates. This being said again, I would appreciate it if you could slow down on new template creation, and particularly on their implementation. For those new template ideas that you really think are useful, please can you follow the correct procedure outlined in policy? I believe we also need to add approved new templates to the Template index, though this might be worth checking with someone else.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 08:24, 10 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hi TT. If you're aware of a little bit of the discussion, see User talk:Ground Zero for some background. While I must admit I make a lot of templates, probably being the second most person into templates, after Wauteurz, but I believe this one didn't need approval, since it was just turning an existing template, into a better one, and I would call {{formatbox}} more of an extension to {{infobox}} rather than a brand new one. This is also similar to {{exchange rates}}.
Regarding that en.voy doesn't use much templates, it rather seems discouraging shortcuts if you look at it from a technical perspective. From a non-technical perspective, it seems like an excessive load, and a bunch of new things to learn. In speaking of that, you know already how much templates fr.voy has (including some just for hours! but I'm not opposed to that). But I'll use a quick example of one of my recent templates {{Vline}}. It basically is just a quick way that produces images from commons, but without having to search for the file, instead just type for example {{Vline|Albury}} producing and it takes about 10 seconds to do that. Probably the best used template is {{u}}, which provides a much cleaner layout than {{ping}}, when it's meant to be used anywhere but the start of the paragraph (or the end, which is what looking at LibMod's socks do per the EF)
Before I go on what I'm going to say next, I'll add this quote that Ground Zero mentioned

If someone is criticized for even starting a discussion in a collaborative project, they will be less likely to do so again, and less likely to contribute.

To change that into this context, I'll change it to

If someone is criticized for even creating new material in a collaborative project, they will be less likely to do so again, and less likely to contribute.

And I have to very much agree with that. Do I have to initiate approval for every single barncompass I create? The most logical answer is no, and rather to create a mass nom, but I fear from past experience, it'll just get rejected, and per "they will be less likely to do so again", which has lead me to not start discussions in the pub about templates, because I'll just be criticized.
For that matter, I am however planning to propose to change the template policy. Templates takes hours to make, with many trial and errors to happen. Letting it just go into the trash with no or little consideration for the effort done isn't exactly what the author of the template wanted, and it very much explains why we have very few technical people here, and no active interface admins (I might put myself up to it soon).
I however will, slow down my use of templates, and I won't be one of the technical people who would end up leaving because of the strict policy on templates, but if we're going to have such criticism on editors who are into templates, we're going to go down the way that Commons is going. (SelfieCity would know why).
Cheers, --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:35, 10 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
Policy discussions take time, and it's important to be patient with that and not do things like get permission to use the "support" template on your user talk page only and then use and propagate it widely. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:46, 10 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
They do take time, and I acknowledge that, however, I will not take being criticized for making such templates. (for some extra clarification, neither of you two were criticizing me, so just an FYI) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:50, 10 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
(edit conflict that means some of this may be redundant but I'm not rewriting it all only for another edit conflict to occur) Thanks for the clarification that you didn't see my message as a criticism. It certainly wasn't; I was just making you aware of and asking you to follow our established policy.
"Do I have to initiate approval for every single barncompass I create?" - A brainlessly strict interpretation of the current policy would insist that you do, but I don't think barncompasses are quite the same thing as other templates, as they're not used in the travel guide; they're just a bit of fun between users and a nice way to thank each other. Now if some user were to create an offensive barncompass, we could easily deal with that by deleting it and potentially taking action against the user.
However, the current policy does require that you initiate approval for every single template you intend to use in mainspace or projectspace. I understand you find the current requirements restrictive, and you're very welcome to propose a change to that requirement on Wikivoyage talk:Using MediaWiki templates. I might even support this if I find the argument persuasive. But until that requirement is changed by the wider community, we all have to edit based on the existing policy, because that's how a community project built on consensus works.
So, if you haven't done so already, we do need to remove {{formatbox}} from the various talk pages you've added them to (you can keep it in use on one of them as a demo per the policy) and if you want to see it widely used in future, you'll need to open a general community discussion.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 10:29, 10 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
OK, I'll leave it on some as a demo, but will remove the others. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:32, 10 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

You should be willing to address questions about why a template is useful or needed. I don't know whether you'd consider that being criticized for making templates, but it goes with the territory on a wiki. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:00, 10 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

To address why it's useful. Here's a list below:

Advantages

  1. Less chance for typos. If there's a typo, then it will be detected. For one of them, I remember the currency being the country name. With this, it's automatically added
  2. More consistency. It's easy to miss something when manually doing it every time, and I have caught some
  3. easy to change. If a country switches from 12 to 24 or vice versa, then just change the numbers.
  4. Much more easier to read (while editing). Phone number format? There's a line for that. With the old template, there wasn't.
  5. And most of all, it makes absolutely zero difference when reading. Just makes it easier to add and modify.

Disadvantages

  1. None. Except for everyone who is against my templates
--SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:09, 10 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
I have no problem with the time and phone number format (etc.) template you've been putting on country talk pages. Just go through the procedure to get permission to use it. However, I objected to the "talk page stalker" template and object to that expression, too. So I will pick and choose. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:22, 10 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
The {{tps}} template is just so I don't have to go typing. <small>('''Talk page stalker''')</small>. I'm probably just being lazy here ;). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:24, 10 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
If you're really lazy, just type your post. I don't like that creepy expression and would like to stamp it out. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:30, 10 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
See w:simple:Template:Tps for where I got the idea from. (p.s. What's creepy about it?) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:34, 10 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
I would suggest that the conversation about this formatting template should happen somewhere other than your userspace. Two ideas for potential venues are the Pub or Wikivoyage talk:Time and date formats.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 10:37, 10 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
And when you do so, I would advise that you drop the "Except for everyone who is against my templates" which makes it sounds as though you're taking legitimate disagreement personally.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 10:39, 10 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
Yeah, I'll probably drop that and add a less biased reason. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:41, 10 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
In this case, I don't care where you got the idea about "talk page stalker" from, because I think it's a bad idea that we should do our best to quash on this site. You think stalkers aren't creepy? All wikis are charged with making ourselves more hospitable to women. If I as a man find such an expression really offputting and disturbing, how do you think women who have to deal with real-life stalking every freakin day would react to it? I've known women who are in just such a position. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:42, 10 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
I've reworded it to "Talk page oversighter", if that's not creepy for you. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:45, 10 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────SHB, I've noticed you lately doing "odd" things (possibly, in the views of some, and not a personal attack) such as fixing comment signatures from weeks ago and adding these templates. Much of this is good, but I wonder if it's the best use of your time. You're tremendously active here and I think that's great, but it would be preferable if you could channel your enthusiasm for the site into contributing to the wiki in useful ways. I've done the same things myself, such as introducing proposals that didn't get consensus support, and in time we all find our niches on-wiki. But there are expeditions and the Maintenance panel (we have a couple thousand dead external links if anyone wants to take them on) which are there if anyone's looking for things to do. When I find my work on the Florida articles exhausting, I turn to the maintenance panel for less demanding tasks.

You're ability to create templates is great, but I think we need to recognize at times there's no need to create or edit any templates because what we already have is working fine. I'm unusually active on wiki at the moment, but I fear if there's even a period of even two weeks where I have other things to do, I'll come back and find a dozen new templates I don't know how to use.

What do we mean by "talk page stalker"? I agree with the others that I don't support the user of these words. I don't think changing the word to "oversighter" is the way to resolve this, however, because following user talk page discussions is normal and people have a right to put any pages on their watchlists that's why they are public. If anyone were to use userspaces on-wiki to stalk someone, such as constantly post harassing messages, we'd need to deal with it seriously and without template shortcuts and acronyms. I'd support deleting the "Talk Page Stalker/Oversighter" template, as I don't think there's ever a time when a serious accusation shouldn't be spelled in full.

But I don't think any of this should get in the way of the great contributions you've been making over the past six months, I'm just of the opinion that it would be better not to create any new templates for a while. The community is accepting of the templates (and lack of them) currently in place. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 14:55, 10 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

I've made the discussion about {{v line}} in the pub, and will do these one by one, so the pub isn't overloaded with new template suggestions. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 01:27, 11 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

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Editing "typos"

Hi. Could you please read what you're "correcting"? I appreciate the corrections you're making but you're also making lots of mistakes that would be pretty bad if someone weren't following up and fixing them. Thanks. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:00, 13 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

okay, so I do have to say it does make a lot of mistakes. So when I click "Replace" and get a notifications saying "could not find suspected word in article", it takes me down to a different part of the page and then corrects that. Some are my own mistakes as well like "arailway" to "railway", although I'd have wished there was more context in this tool. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 02:03, 13 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
The tool does not make mistakes. It might help you more or less, and even mislead you, but you have to do your decisions yourself. If the tool is unreliable, you have to be that much more careful. –LPfi (talk) 09:36, 13 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
Well, it's not the tool, it's the lag that's causing it. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:29, 13 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
The lag? If you use a tool to do edits, you are as responsible for them as without the tool. Tools that can make significant damage (such as by making a sentence incomprehensible, be it because of deficiencies in the tool itself or server problems) should not be used, unless you make sure you do the checking and cleaning up, at least to the same standard as your manual edits. –LPfi (talk) 15:23, 13 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
Okay, but if I bring up a commons example, but that's sorta saying if I move a file, and the file moving process guides me to CommonsDelinker, and CD doesn't do its job, who to blame? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 02:14, 14 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
Moving a file is established procedure, CommonsDelinker just a bonus. With your current tool one could say that getting rid of a hundred typos is worth one mistake, but I'd say that while getting rid of typos is good, a few typos aren't that important, so mistakes should be very rare for the work to be worthwhile. Nobody is perfect of course, and mistakes happen also in manual edits, so just do your best. –LPfi (talk) 07:18, 14 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
Wait, so CD is a new thing? Had always thought that CD used to do all the work, and that file moving under user accounts were a new thing. Didn't know that. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:27, 14 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

Help with dynamic maps

For some reason the prefectures of Nagano and Niigata are not highlighted on the Chubu map can you fix it, Thank you! Tai123.123 (talk) 06:20, 13 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

I actually don't know how to fix that, but I believe someone like SelfieCity who knows how to work with the map might have a better answer. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:39, 13 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

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20:49, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Ireland

Hi. You're aware of the history of British oppression and genocidal behavior in Ireland? Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:13, 14 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

I'm aware, but is there any difference in spelling? I know it can seem controversial, but we're a travel guide and thus we avoid political debacles. (for that matter, would some countries anti-US/AU (I think you know which) have to end up using en-UK?) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:17, 14 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
Some of them do. I don't see what's wrong with saying that Ireland uses Irish English and that their spellings are the same as in Britain. (Or most of them are? I don't know if all are.) Not all the vocabulary is the same. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:57, 14 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

19:28, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

Important Birding Area

Important Birding Area is a proper name and has an agreed upon set of criteria. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Important_Bird_Area Tai123.123 (talk) 04:35, 17 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

I made the edit in question. You can always revert with an edit summary to that effect. Thanks. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:41, 17 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

Cooroy

Without any location info, how it is a useful listing? Also, how do you know from the location of the IP who it is? That guy has previously used IPs in other places. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:43, 17 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

Sorry I didn't realize I could leave a summary on undo edits, i'm sorry for bothering you both Tai123.123 (talk) 04:43, 17 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
That was meant to go on bird area topic, sorry Tai123.123 (talk) 04:44, 17 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
For that matter, Brendan's hometown is the Sunshine Coast. A decently sized city, and occasionally those IPs geo locate to Brisbane as part of a mass IP range. SE Queensland is in lockdown so I doubt he went up to Gympie today, and furthermore, Gympie is a small town meaning their IPs often get only used by locals as part of a smaller IP location range. But I do agree that the listing isn't useful so I'll self revert myself. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:49, 17 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
But I will also admit that Cooroy is one of my favourite towns as well, leading me to be biased... SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:50, 17 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
In that case, maybe it should have its own article, or perhaps the listing should be improved. Tai123.123, you didn't do anything wrong; don't worry. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:53, 17 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
It's been about 7 years since I last visited the area, but I suppose I'd create it and then Brendan would eventually add the listings and then maybe modify it from there? (since they might be probably copyvios) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:55, 17 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

Is awashima ready for guide

I added listings for buy and think its ready for guide Tai123.123 (talk) 17:25, 17 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

Nearly. I'd say its almost there, but needs a couple of formatting fixes. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:00, 17 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
Ok, how do you italicize words in templates like eat or sleep as this page says i should italicize foreign words like Shokubo and Izakaya
Add ''text''. Replace the text with the word in Japanese. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:36, 17 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
Thanks Tai123.123 (talk) 23:41, 17 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
What else needs a formatting change Tai123.123 (talk) 00:06, 18 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
Some remarks. Many phone numbers are listed as "+81 0254 ..." which is wrong. They should be listed as "+81 254 ...", no leading zero for the area code. Four digit values are listed as 1234 but also as 1,234. Times before 10:00 are not listed with a leading zero; so, 9:00 should be 09:00. Time ranges are not always listed like 09:00-17:00, but also as "from 09:00 to 17:00" and "09:00 - 17:00". Some of those things might be OK for getting the Guide status but would only prevent a Star status. The phone number thing has to be solved for the Guide status. --FredTC (talk) 10:51, 18 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

Wait

Hi SHB, I'd appreciate it if you didn't fully protect any more templates. Thanks. If there is no protection for a template, please choose a lower level of protection than template editor. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 00:22, 18 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

But for some like article status templates, it shouldn't need to be edited by anyone. Not even template editors or admins. There's always the vandals who have sleeper accounts, who's intent is to damage templates, and making it autoconfirmed is like having no protection. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:24, 18 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
I'd went off your {{usableregion}}, but I've lowered that as well. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:30, 18 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
I don't agree that those templates "shouldn't need to be edited by anyone". I think their wordings should be changed. On the other hand, it seems too touchy an issue, so should be discussed first, and in the meantime I don't think the protections harms too much. –LPfi (talk) 11:06, 18 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
But see SC's comment on EF43. Moreover, simple.wikipedia doesn't protect their templates, and often they are disrupted. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:09, 18 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

Rollbacks, enwiki diffs and deja vu

Re your later comment in User talk:Ground Zero#Teach me please: why one should not ask about such ads? - ha, I clicked them only now: our "favourite" protean colleague, who is stalking also my edits and more also offwiki. A quick "déjà vu note" plus "welcome to the club" and bows again then.


Zezen (talk) 14:19, 19 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

Looks like Wikinger to me. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:22, 19 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

Block of user with no contributions here and no blocks elsewhere

What is "EF" and what happened here? Ikan Kekek (talk) 12:24, 22 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

They were triggering the Abuse filter. EF = Edit filter, which is what it's called on Wikibooks. Previous edits by this vandal caught by the EF are such as copying the entire page from Yas Island to Yas Island (United Arab Emirates) which was stopped because they triggered the filter. They've had some edits passed before, but they've been reverted before. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:28, 22 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
Moreover, it is just block evasion of Special:Contributions/1.42.162.236. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:30, 22 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
Got it. Thanks. Ikan Kekek (talk) 12:52, 22 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

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Feet

You asked what "feet" means in Eckerö guest harbour price: "€25/35 (less/more than 41 feet)". Boats at most 41" long pay €25, those longer pay €35. Should this be stated clearer? I suppose the boat folks have less difficulty understanding than others, but if you still think it is confusing, please plunge forward to clarify. –LPfi (talk) 11:21, 25 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

Makes sense. Looked like the imperial system to me so I was confused. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:23, 25 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
 :-)
Yachting is one niche where the feet have survived. Few yachters would speak of a 12.5-m yacht, although they might tell that their 41" yacht is 12.5 m, if you ask how long it is. –LPfi (talk) 11:51, 25 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

This Month in Education: August 2021

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Recent LTA account names

So I had the RC feed for this wiki open on IRC, and see you're also active with not only blocking the whack-a-mole but also hiding the block logs and their edits. These are account names that would normally qualify for a hideuser (oversight) block until globally hidden, but we have no oversighters on this wiki. Do you think we should? DannyS712 (talk) 00:15, 27 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

Probably not. While someall of these usernames are offensive, and they've been hidden already to the point where only about 100 people can see them, and a global lock often takes no more than a day or two for accounts like these. (in saying that, some GLs have taken one week to do). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:19, 27 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
Sure, they get hidden, but local blocks are still visible to admins and are treated differently, so it might be helpful. Just a thought --DannyS712 (talk) 00:24, 27 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
Plus abuse filter hits remain visible because they can only be suppressed, not admin-level hidden --DannyS712 (talk) 00:24, 27 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
Oh yes, forgot about that. Then maybe it might be better to suppress it. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:28, 27 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
I don’t care too much whether someone says something stupid about me. As long as it’s reverted, I don’t think we need to go overkill just because some nerd in his mother’s basement thinks I’m the loser and not the vandal. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 02:18, 27 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
Although I would have to say that some people might not find seeing the n word in the abuse log pleasing. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 03:35, 27 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
Wouldn't they expect to see bad words in an abuse log? Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:27, 27 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
For a native English speaker, yes and to be honest I don't really care. But most members of the small wiki monitoring team aren't native English Speakers (and often only have either en-1, en-2 and some have a level of en-3.), and sometimes they might get offended (this is from past experience communicating with non-native speakers). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 06:17, 27 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
If they're getting offended by things in abuse logs, they should find something better to do. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:25, 27 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

Universal Code of Conduct News – Issue 3

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"use British spelling for EU articles"

I believe you meant 🇮🇪Irish English or 🇲🇹Maltese English. Post-Brexit the EU ain't using nothing British. 🇪🇺🚫🇬🇧🤣🤣🤣 Thanks for the fix, though! Nelson Ricardo 2500 (talk) 05:42, 30 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

lol :) Although there is something called "EU english". SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:53, 30 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

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15:20, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Australian English

I just thought I'd bring it up here, so we don't continue to edit war. While I agree with you that Australian English and British English are not the same, my impression that Australian English is generally closer to British than to American. Yes, I am aware that some American terms are better known in Australia than their British equivalents, but my impression is that they're not the majority. Of course, I lived in Adelaide, so perhaps your experience as someone from Sydney would be different. It is certainly possible that Adelaide is more conservative and still retains many British terms, while Sydney has a stronger American influence and thus adopted many more American terms. For instance, people in Adelaide say they go to the "toilet", while Americans say "bathroom". What do you guys use in Sydney? The dog2 (talk) 17:58, 31 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

We use bathroom in Sydney and all it needs is a toilet and a sink, and a lot of American terms, most of them having switched after WWII (after no longer trusting Britain from protecting us from the Japanese, where Australia decided to go more with the US). In saying that, I have seen the word "toilets" being used on some South Australian rest station signs, but most if not all were rather replaced with just an icon.
So if I had to choose which English variety Australia is the most closest to in terms is probably Canadian, and for spelling I'd say the same too. To be honest, I thought that most of those terms I was familiar with was British, but after reading that article, a lot of the British terms were those of that I had never even heard of ;).
In terms of spelling, it is mostly like British, except that there are a lot of American ones like analog (not analogue), verandah (not veranda), burqa (not burka), livable (not liveable) and it goes on.
I do wonder what other countries that use Australian english use like PNG (only gained independence from Australia in 1975, which is quite recent or Nauru, also gaining independence quite recently in 1968).
But in saying all this, Australia is probably the most un-unified country that I could think of, where everything comes to the states and territories, and it will definitely differ. South Australia was heavily influenced by Eastern Europe, where British English is used, while others like Queensland or NSW is heavily American influenced, and others like Tasmania is heavily Irish influenced. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:47, 31 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
In Adelaide, a "bathroom" must have a shower, but not necessarily a toilet, just like in the UK and back in Singapore. Maybe it's true then that Sydney has more American influences, while Adelaide still retains more British terms. For instance, for many of those motor vehicle terms that you claimed Australia follows American usage for, I heard mostly British terms during my time living in Adelaide (I actually first learnt to drive in Adelaide, but had to re-take my driving test to get my American licence when I moved here, so I certainly noticed the difference in terminology). I have been to Sydney, Melbourne and Perth (and Brisbane when I was really young), but I haven't lived there so I am not familiar enough to comment on the usage patterns in different cities. For sure both Adelaide and Melbourne use "tram" instead of "streetcar", and I remember locals in Adelaide pronounced "depot" the British way instead of the American way. And likewise, "cider" is presumed to be alcoholic in Adelaide, just like in Singapore and the UK, and people in Adelaide also say they go to "uni" and not "college".
Andrewssi2 is a Brit living in Australia, so maybe he can comment on this, but I'm not sure if he's still active, or which part of Australia he lives in. Inas is also Australian, but I'm not sure if she's active anymore.
And more importantly, what do you suggest we do about Australia in the English language varieties article given our differing experiences with Australian English? The dog2 (talk) 23:22, 31 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
To be honest, taking into consideration that it differs by region, I'd say put it in a similar position as Canada, with also a similar issue of it differing by region. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:28, 31 August 2021 (UTC)Reply
Why don't you draft out something, and we can all have a look? The dog2 (talk) 15:44, 1 September 2021 (UTC)Reply
So do you think it would be fair to say that Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane tend to follow American English, while elsewhere in Australia it's mainly British English that is followed? The dog2 (talk) 22:48, 8 September 2021 (UTC)Reply
It really depends on context and word by word though. Mostly, yes NSW, Qld tend to use American. Vic, NT and SA are a bit this and that. Tas and NT mostly use British although this is changing with time. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:09, 8 September 2021 (UTC)Reply
OK, I've updated the English language varieties article accordingly. Have a look and see if it's good for you. The dog2 (talk) 22:30, 13 September 2021 (UTC)Reply
Yep. LGTM. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:37, 13 September 2021 (UTC)Reply

Where to import roads from

I recently saw you added a line marking Quebec Route 389 on the Quebec Route 389 page, where did you import all those coordinates from as I would like to add roads to my own dynamic maps Tai123.123 (talk) 03:11, 10 September 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hi Tai123.123, I should alert you that it is quite time consuming, as it took me 1.5 hours to do the Quebec Route 389 one. But I used this website, which I've also used on articles such as London on foot and Stuart Highway. The Wikivoyage:How to use dynamic maps is also a useful guide as well. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 03:17, 10 September 2021 (UTC)Reply
You could also use the line for railway lines as well, and not just roads although those are harder to map. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 03:25, 10 September 2021 (UTC)Reply
@SHB2000 Thank you, I may try making a static map instead but I'm not good at graphic design and dislike the look of Open Street Map (prefer google maps alot) Tai123.123 (talk) 03:32, 10 September 2021 (UTC)Reply
Why am I not allowed to use the Vizual editor on this page it seems to work on every other one? Tai123.123 (talk) 03:43, 10 September 2021 (UTC)Reply
The Wikivoyage:How to draw static maps page has a good overview on static maps. I also prefer Google Maps given the user unfriendly interface on OSM, although google maps can take you on cliffs at times. (once in Arizona, it took me to a place 4 hours away from where I needed to go and more recently once also took me through a road full of potholes because it bypasses a town and the algorithm thinks it's faster because of a 100 km/h limit)
And to the visual editor, it's still in beta testing so it's not perfect yet, particularly for templates and also doesn't work on talk pages, but WhatamIdoing might know more on the visual editor. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:06, 10 September 2021 (UTC)Reply
Ok thank you, just one more thing "If both city and countries have a buy section why doesn't the region template have one, I'm currently revamping the Kiso Valley as a region and want to add a buy section can I?
To be quite frank, I'm not too sure. I've not really worked on region articles, and the two that I have worked on Sapphire Coast and Central Highlands (Tasmania), I never really expanded them. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:20, 10 September 2021 (UTC)Reply
The visual editor is not a Beta Feature here. It also has never been enabled in talk pages (or templates). WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:16, 11 September 2021 (UTC)Reply
Isn't it still not complete though? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:17, 11 September 2021 (UTC)Reply
There are things you can't do easily in the visual editor that you can do (if you know how) in a wikitext editor (e.g., using HTML to add colored backgrounds to table cells), but I don't think that most people would consider it incomplete.
The opposite is also true: In the visual editor, you can create a table simply by dragging and dropping a .csv spreadsheet file into the editor. You can't do that in the old wikitext editors. WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:13, 11 September 2021 (UTC)Reply
@Tai123.123: I've done another example on Oodnadatta Track. If you need me to do any for you, I should be able to do it. (not too hard, but takes some time, but the result is rewarding) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 14:00, 11 September 2021 (UTC)Reply
I just spent half an hour trying to make a line for the Magome-Tsumago trail and accompalished nothing, if you have free time could you make the line, Thank you! Tai123.123 (talk) 18:15, 11 September 2021 (UTC)Reply

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Thanks for the barncompass and Happy 500th :). Thanks for all your works onto Japanese articles you've put in. Japan has been on my want to go list for some time now and I hope to use these guides when I go there. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:45, 11 September 2021 (UTC)Reply

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Dynamic maps

Is there a way to have two different map masks on one map, for the Nakatsugawa map I want to have all of Nakatsugawa highlighted but Magome in Yellow with a title showing it has a different article, is this possible. Tai123.123 (talk) 05:32, 21 September 2021 (UTC)Reply

Erm, not sure. I believe SelfieCity is much more familiar with that given that I don't usually work with map masks. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:33, 21 September 2021 (UTC)Reply
Why not? I have mapshapes for all national parks that have them available via wikidata at Finnish National Parks. You may have to play around with the parameters to get them work together as you want; I haven't been trying this. –LPfi (talk) 09:27, 21 September 2021 (UTC)Reply
just you so you know one has wiki data and has hand made coords Tai123.123 (talk) 01:07, 22 September 2021 (UTC)Reply
Also they overlap. Tai123.123 (talk) 01:08, 22 September 2021 (UTC)Reply
There is Geo JSON data, but I don’t know much about this. I think @Renek78, Matroc: may be experts. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 02:28, 22 September 2021 (UTC)Reply
Madrid has a map with Wikidata items and self-made GeoJSON in it. Maybe this could help as a reference?--Renek78 (talk) 07:05, 22 September 2021 (UTC)Reply
[edit conflict] If Magome is within Nagatsugawa, there should be no problem: you have the mapframe, a mapmask greying out anything outside, and a mapshape in yellow for Magome. Something like (untested):
{{mapframe|...}}
{{mapmask |group=Nagatsugawa}}
{{mapshape|type=geoshape |fill=#ffff00 |title=Magome |wikidata=Q21077757 |opacity=0.2}}
I suppose the group parameter refers to a maplink name; if you include the coords as mapmask parameters that connection is not needed. You can connect the mask to a json file at Common or the json code in a <maplink group="Nagatsugawa"></maplink> at the end of the article page. Perhaps you need to use mapshape instead of mapmask. The templates are not well documented, you could try to use parameters of one of them in the other. Without knowing where you have your coords I don't want to do any experimenting.
LPfi (talk) 07:09, 22 September 2021 (UTC)Reply
@LPfi Still not working, you can see my coords on the nakatsugawa page, I want the wikidata highlighted and the coords grayed out, thank you. Tai123.123 (talk) 03:02, 25 September 2021 (UTC)Reply
I'm actually fine with magome not being listed. Tai123.123 (talk) 23:08, 25 September 2021 (UTC)Reply

Ķemeri National Park

As always, it is a pleasure working with you. Ground Zero (talk) 00:52, 26 September 2021 (UTC)Reply

Same. Always been a pleasure :-). Was interesting to see how this article began because of a banner... SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:57, 26 September 2021 (UTC)Reply
Yeah, I think that national parks should always have articles, and since there was a nice banner ready for it, creating an article made so much sense . Ground Zero (talk) 01:12, 26 September 2021 (UTC)Reply
I do need to create about 200 more park articles though ;-). A slow work in progress SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 01:13, 26 September 2021 (UTC)Reply
Many of the parks called "national" in Australia would be provincial or state parks in Canada and the US. While I've made sure that all national parks in Canada have articles, provincial and territorial park articles are more of an exception. There are just too many of them, and many of them are too small. (One I visited yesterday consisted of a beach area, a campground, a boat launch, and a hiking trail, which was closed due to flooding.) As Australia has taken a different approach to national parks than other countries, would it make sense to group parks that are close to each other into an article that highlights key points, rather than trying to create separate articles? Ground Zero (talk) 12:43, 27 September 2021 (UTC)Reply
I'd definitely agree, although that is more with New South Wales and Queensland. Other states all have much much less parks, comparable to the number in Thailand or Israel (although, both still have a lot of nice parks). There are some really small parks like Malabar Headland National Park (which is only about 1.7km2), which if it were in another state or territory apart from Queensland, wouldn't even be classified as a nature reserve nor a state park. At least it gets a little bit of federal funding.
Other parks like w:Barakee National Park would probably completely fail the wiaa test, and the only interesting thing there is the highway passing through. But I have a feeling it was designed to protect the koala habitats there, which is why I presume it ended up being protected. It would make sense to group parks together, although I do think some of it can be mentioned in their relevant city or rural area articles. I was thinking to maybe include some in Gondwana Rainforests of Australia, but then given that unlike anywhere else in the world, parks in Australia are managed by the state, so it doesn't help when you've got two different managements preserving these areas. But most likely, as you mentioned, some parks will have to be grouped together. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:57, 27 September 2021 (UTC)Reply
Barakee National Park doesn't even have visitor info on its website, so it looks like it's about protection, not recreation. One line in a group article to that effect might be a better approach than trying to force an article out of it. Ground Zero (talk) 13:04, 27 September 2021 (UTC)Reply
I guess that's what New South Wales National Parks is to serve. There are some other parks that don't even have visitor info on the parks website so that'll be something to do. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 13:09, 27 September 2021 (UTC)Reply

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Palembang

Re: this, Palembang is in Indonesia. I don't think that changes much, though. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:08, 28 September 2021 (UTC)Reply

It seemed less flowy and was a bit less clear to me hence the revert. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:10, 28 September 2021 (UTC)Reply
@Ikan Kekek: oh was looking at the wrong version. But anyway, Indonesia uses Australian spelling so still an unjustified spelling change. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:51, 28 September 2021 (UTC)Reply

Wet roads

On the theme of wet roads. I think Arnhem doesn't come in first. –LPfi (talk) 10:51, 4 October 2021 (UTC)Reply

@LPfi: Albeit the image I added, Arnhem is much harder to get to. That image I added was part of one of the four fastest undivided highways in the world, but then anything east of Kakadu National Park (about 150km east of the nearest city - Darwin), the road quality goes to a gravel track poorly maintained worse than the other track, which looks something like this. The start of both roads look deceiving into that the area is easily accessible, putting 130 and 110km/h limits for a little bit, but then the road quality gets basically impassable - with only road trains being able to do it and the really really really good 4WDs. I think both those roads going to completely different parts of Arnhem go for about 600km, and many have died when going across this route because they weren't prepared.
And then you've also got the factor that Arnhem land requires a permit since the land has been returned to the traditional owners of the land. And there's also the crocs. Only RFDS planes seem to go here, apart from that, yeah, this place is almost really really hard to go. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:08, 4 October 2021 (UTC)Reply
Yes. I just couldn't resist. And the Interior is in fact mentioned in the article. But perhaps we should have an image of the actually difficult parts of Arnhem instead – although I understand if you aren't going to take those pics first thing :-) –LPfi (talk) 11:19, 4 October 2021 (UTC)Reply
I do have plans to go to Kakadu next dry season (northern hemisphere summer), but I might go a little east just to have a look though ;), Although I probably won't go any further than 30km. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:39, 4 October 2021 (UTC)Reply
 :-) –LPfi (talk) 12:17, 4 October 2021 (UTC)Reply
@LPfi: I quite liked one of those images, that I've replaced my banner on my userpage with one of them :-). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:47, 16 October 2021 (UTC)Reply
 :-) –LPfi (talk) 07:11, 17 October 2021 (UTC)Reply

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Sydney DOTM Banners

I think the next round of DOTM banner nominations is Sydney. As your user page indicates, you live in Sydney, so do you want to select the DOTM banners for this city? Banner uploads are local and must be resized to a width of 1700px. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 00:32, 6 October 2021 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for the offer :-). Might look onto Commons soon for some nice harbour pics, as I've never really successfully managed to get a good pic at night. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 01:23, 6 October 2021 (UTC)Reply
Thank you for doing this. The banner you made of the opera house is excellent. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 20:16, 7 October 2021 (UTC)Reply
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Edit notice

Hey. The edit notice box thingy only displays on desktop version. Unless you can work out a way to get it to display on mobile (which would be great), we should restore the hidden comments to the various cities lists. ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:24, 16 October 2021 (UTC)Reply

To be quite frank, I'm not sure how to get it on the mobile version. It's been a while since I've edited Wikimedia projects through mobile given the very unfriendly interface, but I'll restore the various hidden comments in just a sec. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 13:30, 16 October 2021 (UTC)Reply
Thanks, and no worries. I tend to avoid mobile for larger edits for the same reason, but a lot of users and casual editors (the ones more in need of prompts) prefer mobile.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 15:41, 16 October 2021 (UTC)Reply
I think it's a similar reason why the German Wikivoyage no longer uses page banners anymore. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:46, 16 October 2021 (UTC)Reply

Lots of new templates

It looks like you've created or edited a slew of new templates recently, including handicap-icon, toilet-icon, food-icon, fuel-icon, lodging-icon, EVCharger-icon, Store-icon...Keeping in mind that Wikivoyage has had an existing consensus behind not having loads and loads of templates that make the site more challenging to edit, I think you should be explaining somewhere why it's important to have these icons instead of expecting people to explain in prose in "content" tabs of listings what is available. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:56, 16 October 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Ikan Kekek: These aren't my templates, and these were created years ago. I just stumbled across them and added it onto {{rint}} and changed the size of it for readability, but I did not create them (as these templates would rather go straight into {{rint}}). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:41, 16 October 2021 (UTC)Reply
Having a look at some of these, some of them appeared to have been created by Wrh2 and others have been created by Traveler100 between the years of 2015-16 SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:43, 16 October 2021 (UTC)Reply
OK, thanks. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:40, 17 October 2021 (UTC)Reply

Noosa

Hey, I am just wondering why you removed the towns? Kin Kin is an orphan page and currently has no links into it, which is why I linked it from the region in the first place. OhanaUnitedTalk page 03:33, 18 October 2021 (UTC)Reply

The article was started by the infamous "Brendan John Williams" (aka Telstra) so I removed it although I wrote most of the article. But I think I was meant to remove Pomona instead. I'll re-add it. Thanks for letting me know. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 03:37, 18 October 2021 (UTC)Reply
I've re-added it, but not Pomona (which remains a redirect). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 03:43, 18 October 2021 (UTC)Reply
Thanks. Didn't know the history behind it (or the editor involved). What's the background behind this editor other than refusing to engage in discussion? OhanaUnitedTalk page 03:50, 18 October 2021 (UTC)Reply
He copies content from sources that have "All rights reserved", and less problematic, lists suburbs under see sections of city articles. Interestingly, he also once listed a Sydney suburb in the "next-to-impossible destinations" list. He appears to have been doing this before a lot of us even came to Wikivoyage (someone like Ikan Kekek would know much more on this than myself), although sometimes he genuinely fixes up errors, typos or adds coordinates (which don't usually get reverted). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:09, 18 October 2021 (UTC)Reply
Hi, OhanaUnited. If you really want all the gory details, you can start reading at Wikivoyage:User ban nominations/Archive#Telstra vandal, but the thing is, while some of his edits are good, a lot of them are uncredited copypasta from either Wikipedia or, like SHB2000 said, "copyright, all rights reserved" sites, and a lot of his text is garbled or nonsensical in certain ways, and the big problem is that this guy never engages in a dialogue and habitually creates sockpuppets for like 1-2 edits. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:23, 18 October 2021 (UTC)Reply
Wow, I skimmed through it but that looks like a rabbit hole of discussion. OhanaUnitedTalk page
This appears to be another one of this edits just now. While that is not a copyvio nor taken from Wikipedia, Eumundi doesn't have much to offer in terms of where a traveller can experience indigenous culture, and that doesn't help at all. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 06:10, 18 October 2021 (UTC)Reply
I guess I'm not in a position to evaluate, having only been to Sydney and Melbourne when I was in down-under. OhanaUnitedTalk page 06:17, 18 October 2021 (UTC)Reply
I've been to Eumundi a couple of times when I lived in Brisbane, but that's also close to Noosa/Maroochydore (where his IPs geolocate to), hence why he's probably interested in these towns. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 06:21, 18 October 2021 (UTC)Reply
I did check the contents in Pomona page that this individual added. They all seem like reasonable summaries and I pasted the summaries into Google. None of them were copied & pasted from elsewhere so I incorporated them back into Noosa page. OhanaUnitedTalk page 00:29, 19 October 2021 (UTC)Reply
@OhanaUnited: Special:Diff/4315370 is another edit of his. A rare case where he actually did something useful. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:59, 22 October 2021 (UTC)Reply

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Houtman Abrolhos

A fair bit of content seems to have gone missing when you redirected this to Mid West (Western Australia), an article that doesn't even mention the islands. Are you planning to merge that information in? As it stands, someone who searches on Houtman Abrolhos is redirected to an article who no information. Ground Zero (talk) 16:50, 19 October 2021 (UTC)Reply

Oops. I'll do that right in a sec. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 21:19, 19 October 2021 (UTC)Reply
@Ground Zero: Yes Done. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 21:31, 19 October 2021 (UTC)Reply
Thank you, good sir. Ground Zero (talk) 21:49, 19 October 2021 (UTC)Reply
 :) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 21:50, 19 October 2021 (UTC)Reply

Wine Regions of Ontario

Thanks for nominating this article. After I wrote it, I asked on the FTT talk page for advice on what to do to make it worthy of a nomination, but got not response, so maybe I get get feedback now. I will look for more pictures. Ground Zero (talk) 11:58, 20 October 2021 (UTC)Reply

No worries. I was kinda inspired to write a Wine Regions of the Barossa Valley article after I make a trip down there next month, and this seemed like a good inspiration and a good page to go onto the main page :). Although I only found this page when stumbling onto Special:RandomPage. I had thought about this a couple of months ago, but completely forgot. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:05, 20 October 2021 (UTC)Reply

Enquiry vs Inquiry

Maybe Sydney is different, but a distinction was made between the two when I was living in Adelaide (and in Singapore too). In both Adelaide and Singapore, if you're asking for information about something, you're making an "enquiry", but if you are conducting an investigation into an incident, you are conducting an "inquiry". The U.S. uses "inquiry" in both instances. The dog2 (talk) 21:23, 21 October 2021 (UTC)Reply

It's been quite some time I've heard "enquiry" being used though, at least in Sydney. I know some people in the older generation still use enquire/inquire and not just "inquire". At least for a traveller, all they need to know is that they can get away with just "inquire" without needing to know both. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 21:29, 21 October 2021 (UTC)Reply
Proofreadmydocument says "This usage is now common in Australian English, too, although ‘enquiry’ is still used here (and may be considered more correct in formal writing).". A traveller has little use needing to know formal Australian English, so I don't think listing enquire/inquire is really needed at all. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 21:33, 21 October 2021 (UTC)Reply

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Reverting vandalism

Do you mind me @ing you when I see vandalism I can’t revert due to the fact I lack admin powers. I feel directly notifying you gets faster responses though I understand it may be bothersome (I also moved the discussion to your page to not draw attention to the vandal). Tai123.123 (talk) 05:47, 27 October 2021 (UTC)Reply

Feel free to ping me or leave a message here on this page. I used to do something similar before I became an admin this July, and also it's not bothersome (I get notifications all the time). --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:50, 27 October 2021 (UTC)Reply

Image attribution

You wrote "once you've fixed everything, feel free to do whatever you need to do [...]". To fix the attributions I need your answer to my question in that thread: Am I correct in assuming the links should go to user pages on Commons? As I explain in that now archived discussion, I believe the attributions are wrong now, and I don't want to change attribution based on a guess. –LPfi (talk) 07:56, 27 October 2021 (UTC)Reply

@LPfi: That I am not so sure about. If there were no policy on this, I don't think there's any harm in linking them to their commons userpage though, but I'll also try fix them and link some of these images to Commons. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:59, 27 October 2021 (UTC)Reply
If the links went to their user page on Commons before you copied them, then the links should still go to their user page on Commons. Changing (effectively) an attribution link to point to a Wikivoyage user page for people who are not Wikivoyage contributors is misleading and possibly against the licence and copyright law. Who are we to decide what page to link in the attribution line? It is the author's choice! The problem is that I don't know what changes you did to the file description page; I have no access to the original. So, I'll rephrase my question: Did those links point to the Commons user pages before you copied them? –LPfi (talk) 09:27, 27 October 2021 (UTC)Reply
Neither those locally uploaded files that I nor Ikan uploaded went to Commons. But I've fixed some, will do the rest. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:21, 27 October 2021 (UTC)Reply
E,g, in File:Masjid Nasional Al-Akbar Surabaya 2016.jpg there was the line "author=[[User:Lasthib|Lasthib]]". An identical line at Commons would point to their Commons userpage. When you copy such a line from Commons to here, you change the location it de facto points to; the reader's browser will see <a href="/wiki/User:Lasthib" title="User:Lasthib">Lasthib</a>, and the browser prepends current protocol, domain etc. to the href parameter. Thus the link will go to Commons if the reader sees it on Commons, but to Wikivoyage if they see it on Wikivoyage. If you view a Commons file at Wikivoyage, you will instead get an URL including the domain, something like <a href="//commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Andrzej_O" title="User:Andrzej O">Andrzej Otrębski</a>, and that is the code you want to continue to serve the browser after the move. So if you copied the description verbatim you got a relative link that used to point to Commons and by your copying was changed to point to Wikivoyage. –LPfi (talk) 12:25, 27 October 2021 (UTC)Reply

What's up with Brendan

It seems like his IP adresses add good content, why do you revert them, Do they violate copyright law? His latest edit on the Kazakhstan page didn't seem to be plagiarized so I patrolled it. Please tell me what's wrong with his edits and I can identify them. Tai123.123 (talk) 05:37, 29 October 2021 (UTC)Reply

Much of them are plagiarised or copied without attribution. I must say though, that identifying his edits these days are hard, as you need to know what style of writing it's in, and know the IP ranges. He used to use accounts with two to four numbers, but he now only uses IPs. The reason why I block these IPs now is that it leaves it in the log, as some of those IPs get reused so if there was any previous blocks, it's in the log. And it seems whenever he gets an IPv4 address, he now seems to want to switch it to an IPv6 address avoiding further detection. I must say though, that revert those edits with caution, as sometimes edits that look like his are not his. It's why most of the time, it's only Ikan and myself who deal with this guy these days. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:44, 29 October 2021 (UTC)Reply
ok thank you,I will be more conscious when patrolling IP adresses Tai123.123 (talk) 04:15, 30 October 2021 (UTC)Reply

UAP

I'm assuming you don't mean "Unidentified Aerial Phenomena". For non-Aus readers, it would be helpful to explain acronyms like this. Aussie readers probably won't read the Australia article. Ground Zero (talk) 01:17, 31 October 2021 (UTC)Reply

Meant, w:United Australia Party (2013). Will fix that just in a sec. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 01:23, 31 October 2021 (UTC)Reply
@Ground Zero: Yes Done. Thanks for pointing that out. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 01:25, 31 October 2021 (UTC)Reply
The Wikipedia article makes it sound like calling the UAP a clown show would be unfair to clown shows. Is it actually popular? Ground Zero (talk) 01:50, 31 October 2021 (UTC)Reply
It became more popular ever since the last federal election, and Labor got much less votes than usual. This article has more about it. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 01:54, 31 October 2021 (UTC)Reply

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SHB2000, the survey and the Allie Awards can be of your interest. Regards, --Galahad (sasageyo!)(esvoy) 15:50, 12 November 2021 (UTC)Reply
Sure. I'll make sure to check that out. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 19:10, 12 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

Singapore CBD

To answer your question, both "city centre" and "CBD" are used in Singapore. Road signs are usually just marked "City", and everyone understands what that means. The dog2 (talk) 08:01, 7 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

Makes sense. It's the same in Sydney and Brisbane as well and I think it's the same nationwide, with only the exceptions of Adelaide and Shellharbour which only use "city center". SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:03, 7 November 2021 (UTC)Reply
CBD is used in Adelaide too, or at least it was when I lived there. People pretty much use "CBD" and "City" interchangeably. And speaking of Singapore, "downtown" (but not "uptown") is understood too, so you can use all four terms. The dog2 (talk) 08:28, 7 November 2021 (UTC)Reply
Think it's the same in Sydney too, but uptown is never used as well. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:30, 7 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

A comment on St Arnaud (Victoria)

As you know, I also think that stub articles harm the project. But I also think that removing or hiding travel information — even if it is just a Bible museum and a local museum — is contrary to our aim here. I think that sort of stuff should be moved to another article if you decide to redirect a page. In this case, there was lots of travel information in the town's Wikipedia article, so creating a proper article was pretty easy. Ground Zero (talk) 18:09, 7 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

Okay sure. Thanks for expanding that article. Probably should have done some better research. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:01, 8 November 2021 (UTC)Reply
@Ground Zero: And now it's usable. Thanks for helping me get all Australian non-region articles usable :) (should be finished with the regions soon) Wasn't my exact intension to get it all usable, but was quite inspired to do the same when you did the same thing to all Canadian destinations before 2020, but I somehow did managed to upgrade 350ish articles over six months. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:22, 8 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

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An award for you!

The Wikivoyage Barncompass
Congratulations on getting all of the articles breadcrumbed under Australia up to usable or higher status. That was an enormous undertaking. Thank you for your work! WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:38, 9 November 2021 (UTC)Reply
Indeed. –LPfi (talk) 18:40, 9 November 2021 (UTC)Reply
Thanks a lot to both of you :) Did take a lot of work, but eventually got it done. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 19:51, 9 November 2021 (UTC)Reply
Congratulations! I am looking forward to visiting Aus some day, and I personally will use your contributions, and I am sure a lot of other readers will too. Ground Zero (talk) 21:27, 9 November 2021 (UTC)Reply
And most importantly, thanks for helping me get here :). Now I'll either probably be working on articles across the ditch, up the strait, on Arizona or create articles for the redlinks here which I'm currently working on. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:12, 10 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

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Hi. I don't want to create edit conflicts, so I'll leave it to you to look for appropriate links, etc. Thanks!

All the best,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:01, 13 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

Okay sure. Thanks for fixing the links. I'll probably be taking a break from that list soon, but will do. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:05, 13 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

"Up to freezing"

I think I now see it for the second time: "the temperatures can go up to freezing". Over here temperatures go down to freezing and things melt when they go up above freezing. Does this wording have something to do with that you are down under? –LPfi (talk) 18:26, 14 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

It's a colloquial term used here. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 20:31, 14 November 2021 (UTC)Reply
Sorry for the very short answer that I gave this morning. Was in a rush. But to the "up to freezing" and "down to freezing", and I've definitely heard both used. The main reason (I think) is because it strays out of your normal temperatures (15-30). Of course, I'm saying this as I live on the coast, but anyone who lives inland or on the mountains would say "down to freezing", well because, it gets pretty cold inland or on the mountains. I'll fix those up, as I'm sure that someone else would be confused by that as well. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:39, 15 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

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Your experiment

Is the point of your experiment with style tag to find out if the principal contributor to that article is going to respond by cleaning up the article?

If your aim is more generally to find out how long it will take for anyone to fix the problem, you will have to wait a long time to find out.

You can, on the other hand, check article histories to see when tags were added to the articles.This one that I just came across was added in 2009, and modified after that. I just removed it. Ground Zero (talk) 02:03, 16 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

Yep, that's my purpose. In this case, we had an active contributor who's expanding that article, and so unlike other tags where the issue was made by one off contributors, I wanted to see how long it takes for that contributor [Veillg1] to do it as they're the one who's expanding that article.
But knowing myself, I'll probably abandon that experiment, and do it myself in a week or two... SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 06:28, 16 November 2021 (UTC)Reply
Thanks. It will be interesting to see if they respond. Ground Zero (talk) 11:37, 16 November 2021 (UTC)Reply
Same. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:38, 16 November 2021 (UTC)Reply
@Ground Zero: It seems after numerous edits to that article and having been six days, Veillg1 still has done anything about it. It just shows that even those tags don't even motivate new users who are editing in that subject and why tags like these are useless. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:31, 21 November 2021 (UTC)Reply
Sadly, that is the case. I've gone through the 195 or so articles with style tags, and removed 112 of them. Some of them were for very simple fixes that were probably as easy to do as slapping a tag on the article. Others took more time. There are some that I have bookmarked to work on later. There were a lot that I removed because I couldn't figure out what was wrong. I suspect some of the issues had been addressed but the tags weren't removed. In other cases, the articles were no worse than the average Wikivoyage article. A lot of them just said that the listings should have more details. The remaining tags mostly ask that Eat and Sleep listings be sorted into budget/mid-range/splurge categories, something that will only happen if someone decides to be a docent for the article. The tags are unlikely to have any impact, so it is good that they sit at the bottom of the article. Fortunately, the people who seemed to do most of the tagging in years past seem to have moved on to do other stuff, or have left Wikivoyage. Ground Zero (talk) 13:29, 22 November 2021 (UTC)Reply
It's why tags were never a good idea in the first place. I'll likely be starting the Mauricie cleanup this arvo. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 20:26, 22 November 2021 (UTC)Reply
I have mostly finished the cleanup. It was pretty easy tbh, mostly because the content in the region article was also in the relevant city article. The only thing I've left is the events list, because I have no idea what format is meant to be used for events in region articles. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:38, 23 November 2021 (UTC)Reply
Newcomers often don't want to remove tags. It is not unusual for them to think that someone else is supposed to confirm that they did the work. The idea that you shouldn't judge your own work is strong in some cultures. WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:53, 23 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

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Thank you!

Hi SHB2000/Archive 2021, I really appreciate the vote of confidence. However, since I do not visit Wikivoyage on a regular basis, and my memory often fails me, I believe it is best to remove my autopatrol right, so that my edits here are always checked by someone else.. Thanks again, Ottawahitech (talk) 14:01, 3 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Ottawahitech Yes Done. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:12, 4 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

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Welcome back

Welcome back! Friend! I am very happy to see you again! In fact, I also abstain myself from editing here, until you return, because life without you was very lonely in Wikivoyage! Now, I will start editing here as usual! :) Haoreima (talk) 10:09, 16 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

Welcome back too. Was away on a 4000 kilometre journey for the last two weeks, but glad to be back again :). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:11, 16 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
One thing! Is there any way through which I could talk to you outside Wiki? Any social media accounts or anything off-wiki?Haoreima (talk) 10:13, 16 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

Emdash template

Hi SHB, hope you're well. I've been popping back in after a period of inactivity, and I found you tweaked the {{emdash}} template. The problem is, that edit seems to have left it broken for half a year, at least from my experiments in the graffiti wall before and after reverting the tweak. Do you recall what you were trying to do? Vaticidalprophet (talk) 04:05, 17 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Vaticidalprophet Don't know what I've done there. Thanks for fixing it. But anyway, welcome back :-) If there's anything you've missed while you were on a period of inactivity, that's that all articles breadcrumbed under Australia are usable or higher. Unfortunately, that doesn't include itineraries, travel topics, or places like Heard Island and McDonald Islands. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:20, 17 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
That and you being an admin now :) Still working on Melbourne/Stonnington (which I noticed the template issue at, because it used that one) and hopefully a few other places. Vaticidalprophet (talk) 04:21, 17 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
There's a few more things too such as {{Routebox2}} which can take templates. (example seen at Hartz Mountains National Park), although I'm currently trying to work on a routebox that can handle both images and templates. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:25, 17 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

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Question

Is there a place for me to make a plea for help from other users when it comes to speling errors? I do make a lot of misspelings when writing in English, espesially in American English SealEater1488 (talk) 05:32, 26 December 2021 (UTC)?Reply

@SealEater1488 I don't think there is apart from Wikivoyage:Spelling, but feel free to ask me anytime (I can help with any one of the four dialects of British, Canadian, American or Australian). If anything, just plunge forward, and someone will eventually fix it. I do this all the time when I come across it. Regards, SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:39, 26 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
Yeah, I would say just type everything up as well as you can and other folks will be happy to copy edit. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:03, 26 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
Swept in from the pub

Title. Don't know why it's happening, nor if it's just on my side, but it bothers me that it's coming up as a redlink. It's been happening since today, and it's only an issue on this wiki, as it doesn't seem to be the case on meta. Screenshots below. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:05, 23 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

(gallery being updated as I upload a new image of this issue)

I’m seeing a redlink, too. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 11:35, 23 November 2021 (UTC)Reply
Time to file a phabricator task? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:42, 23 November 2021 (UTC)Reply
Looks fine on my end (it's blue link) OhanaUnitedTalk page 22:28, 23 November 2021 (UTC)Reply
Yeah, you've been a red link this afternoon, but when I click the page, it behaves normally. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:52, 23 November 2021 (UTC)Reply
still a redlink for me :-( SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:52, 23 November 2021 (UTC)Reply
@Andyrom75: By any chance, do you know why this might be happening? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:04, 24 November 2021 (UTC)Reply
SHB2000, it's an interesting and curious behaviour. I've noticed that you changed yesterday the protection of the page, so, if the issue appears yesterday, that's a clue. I've tried to change termporary the protection of the page but nothing happens. I've done other minor tests getting no result. Last "invasive" test I have in my mind is to delete completely the page and recreating it again: first empty, then with the original content, to see if it reset the status of the page, but I haven't done it, because it will delete the public history of the page. Since you are an admin, if you want to try, do it yourself. In any case you can open a ticket on Phabricator but expect long time since it's a minor issue that affect only one user. --Andyrom75 (talk) 08:31, 24 November 2021 (UTC)Reply
I might try and move the page to somewhere else without a redirect soon, and then add all the contents back so it preserves the attribution of the page. I'll see if that works. I had a feeling it may be those font tags which I was experimenting with a few months ago (which I just left it alone), but I fail to see how that affects a talk page in Special:Recentchanges. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:34, 24 November 2021 (UTC)Reply
@Andyrom75: tried moving the page without a redirect and then recreating it. Had no result and it remained a redlink. Guess I'll have to file a phabricator task... SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:05, 24 November 2021 (UTC)Reply
SHB2000, a tag, font included, affect the behaviour of the current page, not a system page. Consider that is not just a color change, but the system "feel" that your page doesn't exist (you can see it from the URL associated to that red link). Move a page is different from deleting it because the whole process use different functions. However, if you don't feel confident to try the page deletion (and I can understand it), feel free to open a Phab ticket. --Andyrom75 (talk) 09:16, 24 November 2021 (UTC)Reply
I'm fine with page deletion and I'll try that. I might try it after speedy archiving all those discussions. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:44, 24 November 2021 (UTC)Reply
@Andyrom75: Deletion and restoration didn't seem to work, so maybe I'll file a phab task. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:59, 24 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Have filed a phab task on phab:T296374. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:09, 24 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

SHB2000, now I see everything correctly. Apparently the last test works. Do you still see your talk page as a red link? --Andyrom75 (talk) 11:38, 24 November 2021 (UTC)Reply
Still a redlink for me :( SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:16, 24 November 2021 (UTC)Reply
Also tried clearing the cache as well. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:17, 24 November 2021 (UTC)Reply
Sorry, you are right, I'll give up... :-( --Andyrom75 (talk) 12:38, 24 November 2021 (UTC)Reply
It seems to now work when I'm logged out, but still a redlink when I'm logged in. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:40, 24 November 2021 (UTC)Reply
Okay that seemed only for a few seconds. It's now a redlink when logged out as well. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:49, 24 November 2021 (UTC)Reply
Now it also is a red link on my Watchlist. --FredTC (talk) 12:51, 24 November 2021 (UTC)Reply
Special pages aren't cached, so there's no server-side cache to clear. When multiple people see the same thing, it's rarely your local cache, so the usual w:en:WP:BYPASS process is unlikely to help. WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:47, 25 November 2021 (UTC)Reply
@Andyrom75: This no longer seems just an issue with User talk:SHB2000, but also look at the link to User:Tundraski‎ on Special:Recentchanges which also comes up as a redlink. Will upload a screenshot in a sec. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:10, 1 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
SHB2000, I suggest you to add the screenshot of the bottom part of https://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=User%3ATundraski, because there is possible to see a very weird thing: one blue link and one red link at the same time! --Andyrom75 (talk) 09:05, 1 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
@Andyrom75 Here it is. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:08, 1 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
SHB2000, I meant to add the screenshot of the link I've suggested you (not the recent changes one) into the Phab bug report, explaining that the issue occurs also in other pages and with other accounts. --Andyrom75 (talk) 09:13, 1 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
Oh, okay. But here it is.
SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:15, 1 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
Will add it into the phab report soon SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:15, 1 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
Yes Done SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:18, 1 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

Some further new banner discussions

Swept in from the pub

Ideally I'd do this at RfC but given how much banner discussions I've just sparked in the last three hours, I don't want to be bombarding RfC with this, but a link to all of those are below.

--SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:24, 29 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

See also Talk:Niagara Falls#Banner reshuffling. /Yvwv (talk) 11:26, 5 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

Regarding Map

Can you help me create a color-coded map for Cooch Behar? 2006nishan178713 (talk) 18:16, 21 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

@2006nishan178713 Are you talking about a static map? If that is, I can't really help because I've never made one. Apologies. I've only worked with dynamic maps before. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 20:50, 21 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
I am talking about a map like in the New Delhi article. Cooch Behar is divided into 5 subdivisions or cities. Here's the list- https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User:2006nishan178713/sandbox 2006nishan178713 (talk) 03:29, 22 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
There's two maps there, a static and a dynamic. Which one are you talking about? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 03:30, 22 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Delhi#/map/0/10/28.6496/77.1831 2006nishan178713 (talk) 03:34, 22 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
the dynamic one. Sorry I didn't mention it before 2006nishan178713 (talk) 03:35, 22 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
Sure. However, I would need the Wikidata items for the districts you're creating. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 03:38, 22 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
 :) --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:04, 22 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
Here's the last one-
Relation: Mathabhanga - I (10360856) - https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/10360856 2006nishan178713 (talk) 14:27, 23 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
-- I can't help as I have never done anything with OpenStreetMap as far as drawing boundaries etc. -- if you found boundaries would check to see if the wikidata link is there? -- (I believe not needed) check for the OpenStreetMap link in the wikidata record.. Matroc (talk) 06:37, 24 December 2021 (UTC) Matroc (talk) 06:51, 24 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
Ok sure. Just done that. @2006nishan178713. All the relations on OSM now have Wikidata IDs on them. Now I just need to wait a day for it to fully load. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:19, 24 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
Okay! Thanks 2006nishan178713 (talk) 10:24, 24 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
@2006nishan178713 I've almost finished the map, which you can see here. Unfortunately, I forgot to add the one for Cooch Behar Sadar.
Is Cooch Behar Sadar the same thing as the whole district of Cooch Behar North and South? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 06:35, 25 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
Cooch Behar North and South when combined form Cooch Behar Sadar. (Sadar means main) 2006nishan178713 (talk) 06:44, 25 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
Also put these: Relation for Dinhata 2- https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/10360861
Sitalkuchi- https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/10360858 2006nishan178713 (talk) 06:47, 25 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
You can combine Dinhata - I and Dinhata 2 together as they form the city of Dinhata. 2006nishan178713 (talk) 06:49, 25 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
done Dinhata 2. What's the Wikidata item of Sitalkuchi? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 06:51, 25 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q60805256 2006nishan178713 (talk) 06:54, 25 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
and done Cooch Behar Sadar SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 06:54, 25 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
Also combine Mathabhanga (Already added) with Sitalkuchi (https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/10360858) if that's possible. 2006nishan178713 (talk) 06:52, 25 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
done. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:10, 25 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
Thanks! Will it show up sometime later? 2006nishan178713 (talk) 07:16, 25 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
Yes, it should. Hopefully tomorrow. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:17, 25 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
👍 2006nishan178713 (talk) 07:18, 25 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
@2006nishan178713: I think it's started to appear, at least on my end. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:25, 26 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
Yes, I can see it too. I will add it today a little later. I was very busy the whole day. 2006nishan178713 (talk) 09:52, 26 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
I'll be travelling overseas on Tuesday, so if anything's needed after Tuesday, you may need to ask someone else? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:54, 26 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
Hopefully, I won't need anything. Happy journey! 2006nishan178713 (talk) 10:27, 26 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
 :-). If anything, you could also ask for help in the travellers' pub as well. There'll be at least one other person on this site who would know how to. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:30, 26 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
Okay! 2006nishan178713 (talk) 12:22, 26 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
@2006nishan178713 Think once you paste the code below:
{{mapframe}}
{{mapshape
|type=geoshape
|fill=#b5d29f
|stroke=#b5d29f
|wikidata=Q1264946
|title=Dinhata
}}
{{mapshape
|type=geoshape
|fill=#b383b3
|stroke=#b383b3
|wikidata=Q2563945
|title=Mekliganj
}}
{{mapshape
|type=geoshape
|fill=#ac5c91
|stroke=#ac5c91
|wikidata=Q2560618
|title=Tufanganj
}}
{{mapshape
|type=geoshape
|fill=#d5dc76
|stroke=#d5dc76
|wikidata=Q2453407,Q60805256
|title=Mathabhanga
}}
{{mapshape
|type=geoshape
|fill=#69999f
|stroke=#69999f
|wikidata=Q313640
|title=Cooch Behar Sadar
}}
You should get the following results.
Map
Map of Archive 2021

I hope that works. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:59, 27 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
Yes, I have tried that in my sandbox and it works. 2006nishan178713 (talk) 13:20, 27 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
In the Cooch Behar guide. I would prefer to zoom into Cooch Behar Sadar. How do I do it? 2006nishan178713 (talk) 17:35, 27 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

🎄 Happy Christmas 🎄

A little Christmas robin told me you were spending the day by yourself. Even though it's nearly Boxing Day for you, I wish you all the spirit of the season. Things will be better in 2022.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 11:36, 25 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

@ThunderingTyphoons! Merry Christmas to you as well :-) 🎄🎄 Yeah I've never spent a Christmas all by myself before. I wish you a merry Christmas as well. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:40, 25 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
Due to surging case numbers, our two family dinners were cancelled, so husband and I are sitting at home watching the rain. Happy Christmas and Boxing days to both of you. Ground Zero (talk) 13:36, 25 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
Happy Christmas, Ground Zero (I do remember your real name lol). Enjoy the day with the hubby. It's also raining here, and will be till January, by all accounts.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 14:10, 25 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
Yeah merry Christmas to everyone reading this as well. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 20:23, 25 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
Merry Christmas to you as well :). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 20:52, 25 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

Issues

When I hover over a link to a guide, sometimes no text appears. For example- Hovering over Cooch Behar, gives the image of the railway station with no description. Also, the image shown while hovering is nowhere in the guide. 2006nishan178713 (talk) 04:53, 27 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

See Pub#No description when hovering over links SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:04, 27 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
ok 2006nishan178713 (talk) 05:05, 27 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

The Signpost: 28 December 2021

A Barncompass

The Kanglei Barncompass
For your great help in construction of the articles on Manipur and her 7 sister states, you deserve this! --Haoreima (talk) 06:02, 31 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for the barncompass :) --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:58, 2 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

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