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December 2021[edit]


Place: Sydney
Blurb: Australia's largest city, famous for its beaches and iconic harbour view, is the first world city to head into 2022 at New Year's Eve. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: October-April or June
Nominated by: SHB2000 (talk) 05:58, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
Comment: Great article and it's a great way to engage travellers from all over the country and New Zealand to come and visit the city. (or even the entire world if the borders open)[reply]

Sydney Harbour Banner.jpg
  • Support as the nominator and resident. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 05:59, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Almost support Extensive article, though there are a couple of things. Some districts in the district list are redlinks, and they need to be turned into articles if there are a few things that are of interest to visitors there, otherwise redirected or delinked. See and Do have "move to district" tags, this seems to have been (mostly) done but some parts – for example the beginning if See – is...rather bare-bones. Then, further down the article there are a few places where bullet points perhaps could be turned into normal text. Finally, and this is maybe more of a personal preference, some places in the article could use one or several more photos. Ypsilon (talk) 19:10, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I will fix that. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 23:28, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Nearly per Ypsilon. A minor issue I've noticed is that the district list and map show somewhere called "Penrith Valley" but this redirects to Sydney/Outer West, which is not on the list or map.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 14:21, 8 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Almost — once "move to district" issue is resolved, I will support this article's featuring. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 19:26, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not yet: As Australia still has a very harsh pandemic lockdown, what could we expect for December? Even if restrictions are to be lifted, how many venues will operate? With just one support vote following 7 months of nomination and many good nominations, Sydney could wait for a while. /Yvwv (talk) 17:09, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, maybe time to slush? --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 20:31, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Recife has zero support votes, and the pandemic has been bad in Brazil, so we might need a new article both for December and January. Mui Ne is good to go for December. We can hopefully do Orlando in January and Venice in February (with the Carnival, and the absence of European destinations during northern winter). /Yvwv (talk) 21:56, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Yvwv: restrictions are expected to ease in November. But I don't think we should slush articles just because of the pandemic. Lots of places have been affected by lockdowns, but although they haven't been as harsh as Australia's, Sydney's lockdown, at least is a lot more looser than Victoria's one. Given that regardless of lockdown or not, NYE celebrations would still go on ahead as usual (virtually). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:31, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think we should postpone featuring Sydney for a few months. Many readers will either have planned to visit Australia for the holiday season, or be visited by Australians, so it would be better to delay featuring such an iconic destination especially if even Australians can't visit Sydney. I don't know that we can be sure that NYE celebrations will take place. It would be different featuring a small place as OTBP. Also "move to district" has not been resolved yet. AlasdairW (talk) 22:55, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
But given that almost the whole world is basically out of reach these days, there's no good reason to postpone these (including Recife). And by the time comes, everything would be open. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:17, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think there was consensus not to slush destinations due to the pandemic (to let readers read about interesting destinations where they may be interested in visiting after the pandemic), has that changed? Also, while people can't travel to Australia, we have a wide reader and editor base there. Ypsilon (talk) 04:11, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
One reason to feature Sydney in December 2021 would be the new Matrix film. Matrix tourism has many destinations in Sydney. /Yvwv (talk) 10:39, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Though, if we have to postpone some article to 2022-23 otherwise scheduled for next Northern winter to make space for Venice in February I would suggest that to be either of the two Australian big city articles. I was thinking about running Sydney in December and Melbourne City Centre in March. We could 1. postpone Melbourne, and move Mui Ne forward one month forward to March, 2. postpone Sydney and move Recife and Mui Ne one step backwards freeing February's slot or 3. postpone Melbourne, move Sydney to March, and Recife and Mui Ne one step backwards. --Ypsilon (talk) 15:19, 11 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Given that Matrix is getting released in December, it'll be nice to feature Sydney during December (instead of postponing). --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:03, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Seemingly, the upcoming film is mainly shot in San Francisco, not in Sydney. /Yvwv (talk) 14:35, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Re Alasdair's concern, there was some news that Sydney may open up internationally this December, but it's confirmed that everything will open up fully on December 1. Of course, I still think that Western Australia will keep their borders shut though. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:16, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
From early 2020 until early 2021, more or less the whole world had harsh restrictions (except Sweden), and our featured articles were mainly intended for domestic travellers or future planning. The game has changed now, as infection rates, immigration rules and domestic regulations are very different between countries. As we now have many good articles nominated, we should avoid to feature a destination with severe infection rate or heavy restrictions. /Yvwv (talk) 01:22, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
(if you didn't know, lockdown in Sydney ended nearly a month ago, and case numbers are much lower than the rest of the world w approx. 200 a day, and it's only getting lower) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:24, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

November 2021[edit]


Place: Alexandria
Blurb: Egypt's window to the Mediterranean is truly a city with a history, and also famous for its seafood and long beach promenade - the Corniche. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Sep-Dec or Mar-May per the climate chart
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 16:16, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
Comment: And it's time to start thinking about articles to run towards the end of the year. A while ago (OK, almost a year ago when now looking at the article history) I cleaned up and updated some articles by adding coordinates and deleting closed listings, and Alexandria was one of them.[reply]

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  • Support as the nominator. --Ypsilon (talk) 16:16, 14 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, looks great. The lede is poor, but that just needs the attention of someone who knows the city.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 20:41, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, with some fixing of dead external links needed. Not far off star status and no doubt, a quality article. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 19:38, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support dead links need to be fixed. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:23, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support looks great. DhrGabriel [special:contributions/DhrGabriel|contribs]

Plymouth (Massachusetts)[edit]

Place: Plymouth, Massachusetts
Blurb: New England's first colony saw the foundation of the Thanksgiving holiday, and keeps four centuries of heritage alive. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: June-Aug for comfortable weather, or November for Thanksgiving. 2021 is the 400th anniversary.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 14:33, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
Comment: While the town has just around 60,000 permanent citizens, it has great historical importance, and draws great crowds at summer. Is it big enough for DoTM?[reply]

Plymouth Mayflower II.jpg
  • Support Although dead links need to be fixed, as well as the alignment of the map but that can be fixed soon. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 14:39, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Very very close - in addition to what SHB said, there are zero photos below See. --Ypsilon (talk) 15:46, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Plymouth contends Gävle (famous for the fiery straw goat) for the November spot. My Swedish point of view is that I would love to see Gävle featured, but not necessarily this year, as many travellers would probably stay domestic. I would appreciate to get the American point of view. Would people visit Plymouth for Thanksgiving? /Yvwv (talk) 16:38, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, due to the anniversary I'd rather see this featured for November than Gavle. Vote cast by User:Tai123.123
  • Support as nominator. The minor issues can be fixed within the coming month. Gävle can wait. /Yvwv (talk) 22:05, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 22:48, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
On another note Yvwv, wouldn't 60k residents = a city ;-) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 01:15, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Pacific War[edit]

Place: Pacific War
Blurb: World War II came to the Pacific Ocean on 7 December 1941, and was fought across seas and jungles with devastating weapons. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Usable (deserves a higher grade) Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Preferrably northern winter, as Southeast Asia is rainy during northern summer. We could aim for Nov-Dec 2021; the 80th anniversary of the Pearl Harbor attack.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 22:49, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
Comment: A lengthy article with a wide geographic scope.[reply]

Raising the Flag on Iwo Jima, larger - edit1.jpg
  • Support - needs a lot more photos, and a more international Respect section, but the important stuff is already there.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 07:58, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - except map needs to have Pacific in the middle and more photos please. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:48, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Have just tried that, and it doesn't work. You can centre it on the Pacific, but then all the markers are to the right.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 10:57, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
the osm layouts aren't great SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:00, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Very close more photos! And if an article looks so good that you would like to nominate it for the Main Page (which I do think this one is), consider updating its status to guide first. --Ypsilon (talk) 17:19, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support - pics added and guide status. --Ypsilon (talk) 17:23, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
How do we settle for a blurb? /Yvwv (talk) 15:29, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

October 2021[edit]

Beijing/Central Dongcheng[edit]

Place: Beijing/Central Dongcheng
Blurb: From Tiananmen Square to Wangfujing street, much that draws visitors to Beijing can be found in Dongcheng. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: The best time to visit is in September and October, during the "Golden Autumn"
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 14:37, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
Comment: And as we've got started, why not think about something to place into October's DotM slot as well. This is a nice-looking article but a few coordinates are still missing, if there are closed businesses they should be deleted, and the Connect section needs some content.[reply]

Great Hall of the People and Monument to the People's Heros, Tiananmen Square.jpg
  • Very close Ypsilon (talk) 14:37, 24 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 01:19, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support (with minor fixes). I love the amount of detail in every listing of this article! --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 18:48, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Needs work quickly if it's to be done by Oct. The main issue is lack of date-stamps, so it's not obvious how current is the info. Grahamsands (talk) 14:17, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Both the Mid range and splurge eat sections have subsections saying Chinese food but no other sub sections, should they be deleted? Also should connect be deleted as it's empty Tai123.123 (talk) 06:00, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support The article looks basically okay to me. Obviously it still has a few minor flaws but it seems unlikely we're going to be able to make it perfect before the deadline. STW932 (talk) 15:29, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Chavín de Huántar[edit]

Place: Chavín de Huántar
Blurb: Explore the ancient Chavín culture and the Andean cuisine and admire great views in this little town that millenia ago was an important ceremonial site. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Apr-Nov is the dry season
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 18:31, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
Comment: We didn't have any nominee that would fit into October's OtBP slot, so I translated this guide-status one from Spanish WV. Seems to be quite an interesting little town. Listings were last edited in February, at which point the Spanish article was written from scratch so everything should be up to date. There are a couple of prices from 2014 that were originally in the English article but those can be deleted if we don't want to keep them.[reply]

Chavín de Huántar.JPG

Arriving in a new city[edit]

Place: Arriving in a new city
Blurb: Do you often find it intimidating to arrive at a new, strange place? Here are some useful tips for you. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 09:12, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
Comment: As you can see on the article talk page, I've been thinking about what to add to the article "for a little while". As there've been no more ideas, I assume the article should be ready to feature, even in its short form.[reply]

Central hall of Beijing Railway Station (20150630110953).JPG
  • Support --Ypsilon (talk) 09:12, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - I edited through the end of "Get around". So far, it's needed fairly small edits, but I'll be more comfortable with passing judgment after I've read through the entire article and edited as appropriate. So far, it seems good. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:43, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • The fact that I've just added a whole new section that was an obvious omission ('Eat') tells me this one probably needs some work. It seems very short, though the advice that's already there is good.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 16:26, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Close pending more article content, but a good start. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 19:45, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Close - per SC. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 23:26, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I'm really trying to come up with something more to add to the article, but can't come to think of anything. --Ypsilon (talk) 17:19, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: We have only one support vote with one month left to go. Has the article improved enough? Or should we run the Loop Art Tour, which is as good as it could get, in October, and put this topic on hold? /Yvwv (talk) 20:00, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Well, if someone - anyone - comes to think of anything to add to the article, please do. If nobody can come to think of anything, then the article can be considered complete and featureable, regardless of its length. --Ypsilon (talk) 14:32, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

September 2021[edit]


Place: Ljubljana
Blurb: It's a pleasure to just stroll around in Slovenia's little capital with a lot of greenery and smaller attractions. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: September 2021? Otherwise May-Sep
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 14:37, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
Comment: Time to add something to the DotM section again, why not something from another European country from which no article has been featured before. Ljubljana has guide status and has plenty of content but still needs some polishing. Hardly any listings below Do have coordinates, closed places should be deleted and some photos need to be moved around, right-aligned and enlarged.[reply]

Ljubljanica 01.jpg
  • Needs some work. Ypsilon (talk) 14:37, 24 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Needs more work It's not so clear to me. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 01:18, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not yet - I don't know Ljubljana at all, but have noticed that there isn't any mention (other than a photo) of the city's cathedral. What else might be missing? Photo alignment issue is fixed.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 14:34, 8 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Almost I visited Ljubljana in 1997, and the sights I saw then are covered! I have added the cathedral and several other churches with have WP articles, and generally coss-checked with English WP articles. Eat, sleep and drink need to be checked - almost none of the listings have dates and so aren't recent. AlasdairW (talk) 22:43, 8 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment why was this nominated by Ypsilon when he knew this needs more work? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 23:27, 8 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Because I wasn't sure exactly how the schedule for 2021 would look like (articles nominated for late Northern Hemisphere summer months sometimes will sit around until next summer) and it's better to update an article closer to the time it's featured - if you do this for example two years before, there's a greater risk that things have changed, businesses closed etc. Will have a look at Ljubljana later on when I'm done with Winnipeg and a few other articles. Ypsilon (talk) 05:12, 9 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I see. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 05:14, 9 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not yet. Listings with missing coordinates are a hinderance to gaining my support. Not for nothing we have categories to identify articles that have See/Buy/Eat/Drink/Sleep listings with no coordinates. --Nelson Ricardo (talk) 02:19, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support but needs work: for me the main problem is lack of date stamps, so there's no knowing how current are the entries. Grahamsands (talk) 13:31, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not yet per others. The "Drink" section needs a lot of work. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 19:34, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I and User:Grahamsands have improved the article as of lately. --Ypsilon (talk) 11:44, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support following upgrade of the article to main page standards. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 22:33, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Diablo Range[edit]

Place: Diablo Range
Blurb: California's Diablo Range, with Mount Diablo, reservoirs, and rugged terrain, but also oak trees on rolling hills, is an enjoyable destination for both serious hikers and casual tourists. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide-level extraregion (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: in preparation for early summer and autumn (perhaps a month's feature in March or September would work); however, there is no need to plan ahead long-term as there are plenty of hotels available in the region
Nominated by: --Comment by Selfie City (talk) 23:39, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
Comment: I understand this has to wait, but that's fine as long as the wildfires don't destroy it! This is a park article; however, it is not one particular park; I used that category because I did not want to make it an extraregion[reply]

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  • I haven't looked closely enough to support or oppose yet, but it looks like it should be otbp rather than dotm. Not a famous destination, and the lead says "it rarely gets deserved attention from either tourists or locals". —Granger (talk · contribs) 01:24, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • The article itself looks good, maybe a photo or two could be added to some sections. As Granger just said, if the park doesn't see many visitors, we should run the article OtBP.
Another thing: in the Do section there's Henry W. Coe State Park linked, but that article is just at outline status. On the other hand, this isn't a region article and the State Park isn't categorized below this article so I'm not sure if the rule that everything below has to be at least at usable status applies here. --Ypsilon (talk) 09:43, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • What about the Get in section? Is there any other way of getting into the park without a car? If no public transport, then are there no bus excursions from nearby towns? Local taxi firms that can offer trips? Cycle paths or hiking trails? If it really is impossible to get there without driving yourself, then you need to be more emphatic than just "You'll want to enter the range by car." --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 12:10, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Really interesting article—kudos to User:SelfieCity for all the hard work putting it together. I have to say not yet because of some significant issues that need to be addressed.
I agree with User:ThunderingTyphoons! about the "Get in" section. Wikivoyage:Guide articles says "Not only would you not need to consult another guide, you'd really have no reason to want to: it's all here." But if I was considering a trip to the Diablo Range, my immediate thought on reading the "Get in" and "Get around" sections would be "Huh, I'd better do some more research."
I'm also not really clear on what kind of article this is. The markers on the map cover a huge area that includes several cities and parks that we have separate articles for. Should this really be a park, or would it be better as an extraregion? SelfieCity, you said "I did not want to make it an extraregion", but I don't really understand why. If it's a park article, then we need to clarify what area it covers and how it relates to the other cities and parks nearby, and it needs listings in the "Eat", "Sleep", and perhaps some other sections. —Granger (talk · contribs) 12:35, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for all the thoughts! Well, I guess I have some things to explain — here we go:
@Mx. Granger: Why I didn't make it an extraregion — extraregions are extremely limiting; see Tri-Valley. As this mountain range could be treated as one destination, but can't (?) be a region of its own, it felt that the "park" rating was suitable. Quite a few of the parks in the Diablo Range (Dublin Hills, Brushy Peak, Del Valle, Ohlone, Mission Peak, Sunol, and Vargas) are all managed by the East Bay Regional Park District. There are a few important destinations in the Diablo Range that aren't within the EBRPD, including Mount Diablo and the Pinnacles. However, these ought to be mentioned as they are two of the most, if not the most, important destinations in the range. As I see it, the Diablo Range can be treated as one.
@ThunderingTyphoons!: "Get in" — no public transport as far as I know. I know that's hard to understand, especially if you're from a country or region where public transport is the way to get around. Yes, taxis would work, but isn't that WV:Obvious. I can give taxis a mention, however.
@Ypsilon: One thing I can definitely do is add more photos. Thanks for askinga bout that.
I understand the categorization is unusual, and I'm not sure how I can explain it, but I thought that by treating this whole region as one large park, it could work. I think it does — I'm sure, however, I can work on some details in the meantime! --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 13:15, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Just re one of the points you made, the existence of taxi companies may be obvious, but echoing Granger's comments, we shouldn't be leaving it to travellers to find out for themselves the names of those companies, how to contact them, and a ballpark cost (even if just the meter rate, or however it works).
I have a personal dislike of extraregions, except when there's no other way, so I hope you can manage to define this park's boundaries a bit clearer.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 18:19, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
If the article is turned into an extraregion, that could mean some problems as we don't seem to have any article status policies for them and I can't remember if we've ever featured one... --Ypsilon (talk) 18:39, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly, Ypsilon. That's a major reason why I chose to make it a park article. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 18:41, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Extraregions can be extensive—see Lake Baikal or Dead Sea (Israel and the West Bank). To me this article looks like it might be a very well developed, detailed extraregion.
Or maybe it should be a travel topic? This article doesn't cover everything about the area in question, but rather focuses on hiking and other outdoor recreation. "You can throw public transport right out" isn't true for all travellers to cities in this area, but maybe it is true for getting to the hiking trails. @SelfieCity: am I on the right track here? Or is this a park article that's very unclear about the location of the park? Or is it supposed to be some kind of superpark that includes lots of other parks and cities which have their own articles? —Granger (talk · contribs) 00:48, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'm fine with any category except extraregion, as an extraregion cannot have a status. Generally, due to concerns of scope, and therefore, deletion, I'm not into travel topics, but I don't take an issue with this article being made one, and I'll continue to work on it when time allows. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 00:57, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think there's any good argument why extraregions should not have article statuses or otherwise be treated differently from any other destination article. You can break down countries or states or cities in any number of different ways for Wikivoyage purposes - that's the whole reason why we discuss regionalization/districtification on article talk pages, rather than just doing it unilaterally - and just because a particular region doesn't fit into the hierarchy we've arbitrarily chosen doesn't mean it's not still a perfectly cohesive entity that's useful for travellers. I think what we ought to do is not force Diablo Range into a category where it doesn't belong just so we can say it's allowed to be OtBP, but rather to change our policy regarding extraregions to allow them to have article status and to be featured on the Main Page. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 03:54, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree somewhat with the idea that all extraregions should have statuses. Some extraregion articles are really just disambig pages with a bit of explanation and should never be expanded. So what status do we give those? See Persian Gulf and Mediterranean Sea for such examples, and then consider how much more the Empty Quarter article could be expanded. I think what we might want to do with extraregion articles is informally agree on a status that's noted on their talk pages. Clearly, we wouldn't want to feature Persian Gulf. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:02, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Ikan Kekek (assuming I'm understanding you correctly). We don't need to give extraregions official statuses, but we can feature them on the main page when we have consensus that they're at an appropriate level of completeness. —Granger (talk · contribs) 13:38, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
That's a good idea. However, the text of the extraregion template may need to be adjusted. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 14:12, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • For now, I've made it an extraregion. We can change that, of course, in the long term, but as that's where we are the closest to consensus, I've adjusted the template at the bottom of page to the extraregion template. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 19:52, 2 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as otbp. Thanks for clarifying the type of article. The transportation information has been improved—still has room for improvement, but I think it's good enough for featuring. Given how car-centric most of the U.S. is, I'm not surprised that public transport isn't an option. Another photo or two towards the beginning of the article wouldn't hurt. —Granger (talk · contribs) 01:16, 3 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, and I have no issue with this being OTBP. I've been busy lately, though less so over Christmas, so I haven't been doing doing so much work on the Diablo Range article. (I've actually been spending quite a lot of time on WP.) I hope to keep developing this Diablo Range article, however. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 18:11, 3 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • In these edits, I've added information about the boundaries of the mountain range. Feel free to tell me if you think it should be expanded or clarified in some way. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 11:57, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I've also moved the discussion to OTBP per above. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 02:30, 5 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I’m not sure about keeping this one on the schedule. The recent fires have burned so much of the mountain range that the information in it could be largely wrong. Fortunately most of the parks have escaped the fires, but that will quite possibly change as the fires spread. (Sycamore Grove fell victim to a fire and should perhaps be removed from the article.) --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 15:31, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It hasn't been scheduled yet, so I'd say let's give it a month or two and see how things look. Hopefully the fires get under control soon! —Granger (talk · contribs) 16:35, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
FWIW, if the articles are going on the schedule in the order they're nominated, with appropriate distance between articles from the same country (USA) and during an appropriate month, I believe there's going to be a little over a year before Diablo Range will be featured. So there's a lot of time to see what damage the fires have done. If one is pessimistic, it also means that there's a chance for new fires (isn't there a forest fire risk around the year in much of California?). --Ypsilon (talk) 17:17, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Game of Thrones tourism[edit]

Place: Game of Thrones tourism
Blurb: An exceedingly popular TV series with more Emmy awards than any other. Much of it was shot on location in places that are interesting in their own right as well as to fans. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any
Nominated by: Pashley (talk) 11:53, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
Comment: {{{comment}}}[reply]

Jon Snow and Ghost.jpg
Any Game of Thrones fans who'd like to comment on this one? --Ypsilon (talk) 15:40, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • As a casual fan, I think the article looks good overall, but there should probably be some more information about the studio tour in Belfast, ie what sets are there, what the tour involves, and practical information like timings, price, etc.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 16:46, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm definitely a fan & wrote parts of the article. I cannot find anything about a studio tour, but lots about tours to outdoor locations around Belfast. I just added this link. Pashley (talk) 12:18, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
There was supposed to be one opening at the Titanic Studios, but I guess it's been postponed due to the usual reasons.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:34, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Per the above comments and what I wrote ten months ago I'd say support. Ypsilon (talk) 17:20, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Northern autumn seems to be a good time to visit most destinations, before winter is coming. /Yvwv (talk) 22:12, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

August 2021[edit]

Portland (Oregon)[edit]

Place: Portland (Oregon)
Blurb: Once a down-at-the-heels seaport town, now one of America's trendiest cities of the moment; in the "City of Roses" the accent is on sustainability and a certain self-conscious quirkiness. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: northern summer
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 13:11, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
Comment: Slushed in 2010, but has grown a lot since then. Has all the essentials of a city article.[reply]

MAX and bus side-by-side on Portland Mall, 5th & Yamhill.jpg
  • Not yet — at a first glance it looks like a solid article, but some listings lack description (most notably in the Sleep section). The article has a huge number of Eat listings (83!). Yes, some of them are local chains with several restaurants but still... ϒpsilon (talk) 15:49, 5 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • If being complete means adding even more length and listings to an already overlong and over-listy article, as Ypsilon said (and I agree with him), then the answer is that Portland needs to be districtified first. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:52, 5 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Interestingly, districtification has already been discussed three times on Talk:Portland (Oregon). ϒpsilon (talk) 13:39, 6 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Between this nomination and Talk:Portland (Oregon) (and just look at the article itself!), there's a strong indication that this article ought to be districtified before it's put on the Main Page. That's a formidable task that, in the nearly five months since it's been nominated, no one has bothered to get started on. Also, the nominee doesn't currently have any Support votes to go on the Main Page as is. Are we going to get moving on this or should Portland be slushed? -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 05:23, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Agree, let's slush for now.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 10:56, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
As discussed, Portland needs to be districtified. It shouldn't be to difficult to divide the city into a couple of districts, for example per the suggestion in Talk:Portland_(Oregon)#Districtification.
But as the schedule is full for the warm months of 2019, Portland is either going to sit around for 1+ year or something from the schedule will have to give up its place. -- ϒψιλον (talk) 11:54, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Ypsi - Now that you mention it, I do remember the districtification of Riga ahead of its term of DotM took much less time than I'd expected. But the question is: given all the other work that needs to be done, on other DotM candidates and elsewhere on the site, is anyone actually going to take on this project? We have enough DotM candidates, and enough Guide-level articles especially among U.S. destinations, that it would be no big deal if we slushed Portland, not to mention that it was nominated too late to make the summer 2019 schedule anyway. I'd say let's revisit this issue in three months and see if any progress has been made in the interim. What do you (and others) think about that? -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 16:06, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I've never used more than a few days to districtify a city. Usually it does just take a couple of hours to move the listings, once the district division and borders have been decided. Then the main article needs some more content in sections that formerly had listings, district articles need some info in Understand and Get in (a look at the city's map and public transport network map is often enough), and then a district map needs to be created.
I could help out with districtifying Portland, but it will have to wait a while; other WV projects (yup, also DotM related :)) have priority. -- ϒψιλον (talk) 18:49, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Portland is now districtified. -- ϒψιλον (talk) 19:44, 12 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Borderline between support and not yet. I find it hard to make up my mind here. The eat section, for example, is much to long, and therefore is like a yellow pages guide and not a travel guide. Otherwise, however, it looks like a reasonably good article. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 23:26, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the fact that, as Ypsilon says, it's now districtified, I have a couple thoughts:

  1. I think it would make sense for Portland to be moved to Portland and for the disambiguation page to moved to Portland (disambiguation).
  2. Good news about the districtification! The district articles look good, although perhaps they could do with some more general information. (For example, none of them have an "understand" section.)
  3. In the "districts" section of the main article, there definitely ought to be a description of each of the districts, so travelers can know a little about each district before visiting their respective pages.

--Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 00:56, 13 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Better to have that discussion in Talk:Portland_(Oregon)#Districtification_for_DotM, there indeed are still some things both the main Portland article and the district articles need. ϒψιλον (talk) 05:10, 13 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think the "See" section needs some links to the districts. The "Do" section should mention/list the major city festivals/events. The districts should only give a listing to ONE of the chain restaurants. Portland (Oregon)/Eastside's Eat section looks sloppy with half of the listings being the same restaurants. The "Connect" section in the districts should have content or be deleted. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 03:04, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
May 2020[edit]

The city ensemble (the main article and three districts) still need work, but it's largely down to the districts that this is the case. If someone is willing to step up and do the following before the projected August slot, I'll support:

  • The district list should have a couple of lines of description for each of the three districts, including mentioning where to find Downtown.
  • There's a disconnect between the districts we've decided to use and the 'Neighborhoods' list in 'See'; can the gap be bridged?
  • The district articles themselves are little more than repositories for listings. In particular:
  • no 'Understand' section, indeed no information about the districts as places at all;
  • very poor 'Get in' that are only slightly useful if you are arriving from out of town by one particular mode of transport, but not if you want to get from say the Southwest to the East.
  • no 'Get around', even though the East in itself is as big as a large city.

On the positive side, the main article is very well-written and the vast majority of the district listings are of the expected high standard.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:37, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I for one plan to put down some effort into the article(s) in the coming months. Ypsilon (talk) 13:50, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
If you think you can take care of everything listed above, then I can support the nomination.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 22:50, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Riots and violence has been ongoing in Portland for over a month. Insurrectionists are trying to burn down the federal courthouse. Are we okay with featuring the city in the midst of such turmoil? ChubbyWimbus (talk) 11:01, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

As long as the article gets updated to reflect this, I don't see why not. Very few people will be visiting in the month it's featured anyway.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 11:51, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I have a friend in Portland who's been posting about this on Facebook. She says the protestors are largely peaceful, the federal government crackdown has been brutal, but the whole thing is happening in a small area of the city. —Granger (talk · contribs) 11:53, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Let's leave aside the question of when people will be visiting, what geographical percentage of the city is affected, and what the danger is to visitors and look at it from the point of view of how tone-deaf it looks for Wikivoyage to be foregrounding an article about traveling to Portland during 1) a global pandemic, specifically one in which the U.S. is one of the few countries that doesn't have the outbreak under any semblance of control and 2) a time in history when federal agents are snatching people from the streets with impunity. It's not as if our readers don't read the news. Frankly, I think it's hard enough to argue against slushing any and all U.S. nominees (we ought to be thanking our lucky stars there are only two besides Portland on the docket between now and January 20, 2021); I'm amazed anyone is even trying to defend this particular one. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 20:39, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
If its month to be featured was September, I'd say let's wait and see. But frankly, right now, in addition to what you all are posting about, anyone from a foreign country who chooses to visit the U.S. is crazy. So yeah, let's put this feature on ice and return to it in more normal times. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:56, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Speaking of U.S. destinations, perhaps NSB should be postponed to January and Torres del Paine moved to December? There will likely still be concerns in December, but hopefully if we have a vaccine (?) and declining cases by mid-January, there will at least be a chance of it going on the main page during a time when tourists are considering visiting. (As a note, tourism is high in NSB right now, but that's travel within the U.S., not foreign countries. I don't know why people are traveling long-distance across the country right now.) We can always postpone NSB until next summer if the coronavirus is still widespread in January. Portland could be postponed at least a few months and instead choose locations without large numbers of coronavirus cases, not only due to the risks of the virus itself but also due to the concerns associated with visiting a country/state in lockdown right now.
The cases won't go down quickly, and I don't see them dropping to "safe" levels until next year, if not later, and until then we ought to focus on foreign destinations. Even Europe probably had best be avoided this summer IMO. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 21:03, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) We can always wait and watch, but I would definitely recommend to anyone to stay away from the U.S. until at least January, and that's even without considering the extent to which the U.S. is the center of the COVID plague now. Florida is a total disaster at the moment, but we can't be sure what it'll be like in December. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:11, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Cases in the northeast of the state are relatively low currently, and we'll soon see how much difference the new mask mandates make; probably not enough. The situation is most of control in the Miami area, and some other cities to a lesser extent, and minorities seem to have suffered the highest number of cases. Parts of the state probably won't be back to normal until next summer, unless cases drop suddenly like they did in New York City. But as you've said, we can't know for sure, but judging from other countries such those in Europe it takes months for the virus to reduce to low levels, and in those countries there were strict lockdowns. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 21:18, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Before we go too far down this road, let me be clear about what I do and do not actually support. I do support slushing Portland. I do not support slushing any other U.S. featured article nominees at this time, and am unlikely to change my mind in that regard unless, like Portland, there emerge safety concerns over and above COVID. What I meant by my comments about "it's hard enough to argue against slushing any and all U.S. nominees" was that I think at this point it's possible to construct a valid argument in opposition to mine. If we had been having this conversation a few months ago, I would have dismissed any such concerns out of hand. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 00:50, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
To SelfieCity's point, I would note that cases in Europe, Australia, and some other countries are on the rise again. Personally, I think countries that have convinced themselves that they've somehow "beaten the virus" just because they've brought cases within their jurisdictions down to zero are only fooling themselves; unless they plan on hermetically sealing their borders for years on end and/or unless science develops a COVID test with a 100% accuracy rate that can be given to people at customs, it's only a matter of time before the virus seeps back in again. Realistically, nowhere is safe for travel until there is a vaccine (actually, if you want to get technical about it, it could be argued that nowhere ever was or ever will be "safe for travel") and engaging in travel for the foreseeable future will inherently involve acceptance of a certain risk, which makes the question of what should and shouldn't be on the Main Page a bit more complicated and nuanced than "no U.S." -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 21:40, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
No featured article should be interpreted as us saying this place is safe to travel in the middle of a pandemic. As Andre says, no place is really safe unless the few countries where it has been eliminated in the first wave create a bubble among themselves. For example, New Zealand, Taiwan and a few Pacific Islands could open up with each other and shut out everyone else but it won't quite happen in practice. Citizens from other countries are allowed to return home and if one of them breaks quarantine, the fire is reignited. Gizza (roam) 01:15, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The theory is that when somebody breaks the quarantine or comes in without, the contacts will have been few enough that they can be traced and the affected persons quarantined. If this happens seldom enough it is not an unreasonable burden. The same works with domestic cases. But this works only if contacts are few, and few random passersby infected (I hope nightclubs will have few customers). It can work, but did not in the countries were cases are getting out of hand again. --LPfi (talk) 07:16, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It definitely did not work in Melbourne and now Australia's two most populous states. Went from single digit numbers of cases per week (no community transmission) to 400-500 a day (nearly all of it community transmission). I agree that the DotM should be a place to dream about or plan for in the future, not a suggestion to travel there now, which may not even be possible based on the rules of your home and destination country. Gizza (roam) 08:19, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'd say obviously not soon. The title "destination of the month" seems to suggest visiting now & we should not suggest that. Pashley (talk) 06:16, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hasn't it always meant "the destination featured this month", "the destination to dream about this month" etc., not the destination to (start planning to) visit this month? --LPfi (talk) 07:19, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yes to what LPfi said. Plus, as our special message says: "Importantly, our intention is NOT to promote the idea of actually visiting any of these places now or in the near-term future. The primary purpose of our Featured Articles is, and always has been, to highlight the hard work of our dedicated team of travel writers by presenting our readers with the best-quality articles Wikivoyage has to offer." Well what's changed, eh? If we're suddenly saying that this feature sends the wrong message, then we should at least be consistent and cancel all features for the foreseeable.
Pulling Portland at this stage doesn't seem fair to those (particularly user:Ypsilon, but also user:Anyone150 and user:Jake Oregon) who responded to feedback above and quickly implemented the needed improvements to the city and its districts. Thanks to their efforts, it's ready to be featured now, but that readiness will decay over time, necessitating further updates.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 08:30, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Right now commerce/life seems to be coming to normal in many places. So despite what you may of wrote to tell readers to refrain from traveling people can still travel around to take advantage of the low airfares being offered. So like traveling to more disturbed areas I would think you would put up that that pink or yellow banner on top of the article to warn travelers of what's going on there. I defer that to the main editors/moderators to do so. Anyone150 (Anyone150) 08:42, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
You could make that same argument against ever postponing any feature, but is this the first time we would have done so? Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:42, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Quite right, I could and probably would, because it's important we don't take people's contributions for granted. I ask again what's so special about Portland that makes us suddenly change practice? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 09:49, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Because it's tone-deaf to feature the city while it's under attack by irregular Federal agents. Regardless of how it's rationalized, it would give the site a black eye. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:56, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think it's taking the contributions for granted. I have no affinity towards or against Portland, and I can only speak for myself on this, but if I worked hard on an article (or even if I didn't but it was a city I really loved/cared about), I would not want its SINGULAR feature to be during a time when the city has fallen into civil unrest. The question of "how bad is it really?" is secondary to what its image is and how it is presented in the news. Left wing sources tend to focus on the federal agents' bad behaviors and right wing sources tend to focus on the bad behaviors of the rioters (the politicization is unfortunate, since both deserve focus), but no sources are making the city look like a nice place to be or visit. It's "scary" to many people, and that was not the case when the article was built up.
This is not the first time we've talked about this. We've had such discussions before. Whenever it was, I believe I made the analogy of featuring Fukushima a month after the 2011 disaster. It would have looked like a bad joke. Portland is obviously not comparable to the Fukushima disaster, but to me it still has a "bad joke" feel right now. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 11:38, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
If it's more about the optics of Wikivoyage promoting Portland on its front page than the safety of travellers, would that mean the article could just be (provisionally) shunted back in the schedule a couple of months? Run York in August and, while Tel Aviv is up in September, review the situation for a Portland feature in October? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:52, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Why not post a link the Wikivoyage:COVID-19 message at the beginning of each featured article (we could postpone featured articles as well)? That would at least partially clarify the concerns mentioned above. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 13:53, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with delaying the featuring until the political situation is more stable. Regardless of whether the police or protesters are at fault, our advice to potential tourists remains the same; stay away protests or any other types of civil unrest if you're not a local. The dog2 (talk) 19:21, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
We already discussed discontinuing our features due to the COVID-19 pandemic and many people acknowledged that we can continue running them to present readers with interesting places that they may want to travel to someday (also, someone pointed out that even under normal conditions few people could just travel there right away). But obviously it would look bad to run articles articles about places when they have a particularly high infection rate, e.g. Bergamo in March or Delhi now or certain parts of the U.S. just as we wouldn't feature articles right after a major natural disaster or a terrorist attack for instance. Or during riots that have gone on for days and weeks.
For foreigners (if we'd be let in for tourism) now isn't a good time to travel to anywhere in the States excluding perhaps remote parts of Alaska. But as a third or even more of en-WV's regular editors hail from the U.S., probably the same goes for our readership. Secondly, the U.S. is geographically almost as as big as Europe so I don't think we should look at the country as one single unit that we wouldn't recommend entering or moving around anywhere in - many of our editors and readers are already there! And according to this map (presumably still reasonably up to date) the number of infections in Oregon isn't as bad as in many other parts of the country, so from a corona point of view Portland is a relatively safe place to visit, for domestic travel.
But the problem are the riots. Looking at the news Portland seems like a minor war zone right now, and one would rather put a caution or warningbox in the article rather than featuring it. So it would not be appropriate to run it today and very probably not on 1 August, in a little more than a week. Not so sure if the article would have to be slushed right away; couldn't it first be moved forward in the schedule (still OK to visit in October?), and if the rioting or other problems persists then we could slush it. It can always be renominated and brought up to date later, say, in 2021 or 2022. --Ypsilon (talk) 19:22, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I think that's reasonable. We can move it to a later month and if the situation persists or worsens, we can discuss slushing it at that time. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 01:45, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I think that's OK, too. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:58, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
So... should we move Portland a month or two forward in the schedule and feature York in August instead? Ypsilon (talk) 19:19, 25 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yes Done --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 21:05, 25 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, I just changed the banner in the upcoming section. One more thing, if we don't want two American articles on the Main Page at the same time (maybe doesn't matter too much in this situation?), Scuba diving and Buffalo-Pittsburgh Highway could switch places in the schedule. What do you think, Andre? --Ypsilon (talk) 09:38, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
We need to remember the reason why we've decided not to feature Portland next month in the first place: not because we feel the protests pose any grave danger to travellers (at least those with any common sense) but because of the perception among our readers. Given that, I think it's obvious that Portland should be delayed until next year at the earliest. The riots may be over by October, but they'll still be fresh in the public's mind. The awkwardness needs more than three months to dissipate. Buffalo-Pittsburgh Highway was intentionally scheduled to take advantage of peak autumn foliage in the northeastern U.S. and needs to stay in the slot it currently occupies. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 13:02, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Noted, but let's see whether you're right about public perceptions nearer the time.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:08, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Bergen (Germany)[edit]

Place: Bergen (Germany)
Blurb: Best known for the nearby Nazi-era concentration camp, Bergen also has attractions related to other eras all the way back to prehistory (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: May-Sep (aiming for Aug 2021)
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 18:28, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
Comment: I recently updated the listings to make this a replacement for Clausthal-Zellerfeld as August's OtBP.[reply]

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  • Support as nominator. --Ypsilon (talk) 18:28, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, looks great. Slightly strange formatting in 'Do', but otherwise seems ready to go. Good choice for substitute, by the way.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 19:52, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Close — some listings, such as those in Bergen (Germany)#Do, need more information, and just "Irish pub" isn't enough in my opinion (I'm guilty of the same in articles I've written myself). --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 21:49, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The "listings" in Do are the stopping points of a walking itinerary, half of them listed in See, and the rest perhaps aren't important enough for a listing on their own. There's not more information available on the particular pub, but it seems to be the only one left in town. A few others were listed in the article, and also visible in Openstreetmap and Google Maps but according to GM they have apparently closed down recently, almost certainly due to the pandemic. --Ypsilon (talk) 11:15, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. Support. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 19:46, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Functionalist architecture in Finland[edit]

Place: Functionalist architecture in Finland
Blurb: Functionalism became a popular style among Finnish architects a century ago and the country is one of the best destinations to admire these simple, streamlined and often white buildings. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any, really. May-Sep would be weather-wise the best time to visit, suggesting for Aug 2021
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 18:01, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
Comment: Maybe we could showcase our readers some architecture in August instead?[reply]

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  • Support as nominator and biased main author of the article. --Ypsilon (talk) 18:02, 9 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support once dead links are fixed. This is an excellent article with the ideal amount of content for a main page feature. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 21:59, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Very close; As this article would be the third Nordic FTT this year (and there have been concerns about the high ratio of Nordic articles) it should be top notch. Fix dead links, expand the understand section (historical context, physical features, representative construction elements, etc) and brief descriptions of representative cities such as Tampere. /Yvwv (talk) 22:16, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it's the third Nordic FTT, but also the third overall Nordic feature this year and over the last couple of years we've actually had slightly fever Nordic features than average (4 in 2015, 2 each in 2016-17, 3 in 2018, 1 in 2019 and 2 in 2020). The Understand section could perhaps be expanded but we need to make sure the content doesn't stray too far from the topic. --Ypsilon (talk) 17:14, 23 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I just copy edited through the end of the first paragraph of "Background". This article will need to be completely proofread and copy edited before it's run. I think it probably has a lot of directly translated Finnish or Swedish syntax and usage. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:23, 3 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

July 2021[edit]


Place: Cork
Blurb: Pubs, Irish sports and a fort are things awaiting you in Ireland's second city. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Jun-Sep
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 18:53, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
Comment: Something more for next summer. Europe's second most populous country with English as an official language has been featured in the English Wikivoyage just twice, the last time in 2009 (Kilkenny) and never as DotM (nor FTT), so let's fix that. Speaking of fixing, the article has the content and length for a guide, but it obviously needs to be checked for up-to-datedness and tidied up (the missing geocoordinates need to be added in the process).[reply]

  • Needs some work per comment. --Ypsilon (talk) 18:53, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Almost. It needs some updating. It also would be improved with another picture or two, and maybe a new page banner, as the present one is dull and looks too similar to Cobh. AlasdairW (talk) 22:05, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I now support, as it has been updated. AlasdairW (talk) 18:16, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as the listings have all been updated, and it's a substantial destination. Grahamsands (talk) 15:46, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not yet. I see a lot of great work has gone into the article, but as mentioned in Ypsilon's nom comment, too many See, Eat, and Drink listings are missing coordinates. Wikivoyage:City article status says for Usable articles, "If possible, listings have geo-coordinates." If it can't even meet that bar, how did it become Guide status? --Nelson Ricardo (talk) 02:09, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Was almost certainly promoted to guide status before we had dynamic maps. Will have a look at the issues later (& thanks to Graham and Alasdair for the improvements so far). --Ypsilon (talk) 15:44, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for adding them! :) --Ypsilon (talk) 16:04, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Not perfect, but good enough to feature as long as maintenance work continues until it is featured (soon). "Do" and "Buy" could do with more information, but I'm assuming in this case there is not much else to add. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 19:32, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Outcome - DotM for July 2021. --Ypsilon (talk) 15:48, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]


Place: Neuland
Blurb: One of Chaco's Mennonite colonies, there are also some interesting forts nearby to explore. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Apr-Oct from Filadelfia's nomination a few years back (Austral summer is a bit too hot?)
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 22:01, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
Comment: During the (Northern Hemisphere) summer months we usually run one article which is neither from Europe nor North America, so maybe this could be the 2021 candidate for that for the OtBP section. Kudos to User:Cmasi for pretty much creating the article in its current shape back in 2017, though closer to the time it's featured it could benefit from a checkthrough to make sure everything is still in business.[reply]

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Trans-Labrador Highway[edit]

Place: Trans-Labrador Highway
Blurb: Come with us on a sub-Arctic road adventure past remote coastal fishing communities and endless forests. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Jun-Aug or -Sep probably
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 14:11, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
Comment: Well, the article is a guide so it should cover the itinerary pretty well, in fact I just had a look at the article history and a lot has been added to the article since it was promoted to guide status in 2017. The article isn't very long, but I guess there isn't so much to write about this long and lonely road. Speaking of long distances, Canada is so big that if Winnipeg goes on the Main Page as DotM on 1 June, we shouldn't have any problems featuring this as FTT on 21 August.[reply]

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Could you identify these issues? It is scheduled to go on the main page in a week. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 16:13, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

June 2021[edit]


Place: Winnipeg
Blurb: Once a fur trading outpost, Canada's Gateway to the west boasts a surprising number of cultural institutions. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: "June, late August and September tend to provide the most pleasant environment for summer visitors."
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 19:30, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
Comment: When nominating Hamilton as Quebec City's replacement for July 2020's slot, I had one more Canadian candidate in mind – this one. So why not run it next summer? Winnipeg has the same small issues as Hamilton, up-to-dateness need to be checked, some coordinates need to be added and a couple of more sleeping options would be welcome. And some more photos.[reply]

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  • Very close - And there's plenty of time to fix the small issues. --Ypsilon (talk) 19:30, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Just added the rest of the missing coordinates (events taking place all over the city can't really have coordinates) and some photos (unusually dull selection on Commons I must say). I'd possibly try to go through some review sites for a few more places to sleep worthy of adding to the Sleep section but in general I think I can support Winnipeg for DotM in its current state. --Ypsilon (talk) 20:37, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - I visited in 2015 and have literally hundreds of photos that can be added to the article, used as DotM banner source images, etc. Winnipeg is a fascinating place, and as a tourist destination deserves far more attention than it gets. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 22:54, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. It was fun contributing. The current Understand#History section is almost verbatim what I wrote; it's *very* simplified, for brevity, and might benefit some beefing-up, though. Ibaman (talk) 00:12, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Almost. I do dislike listings with missing coordinates. Even more, the yellow sea of dead links greatly irks me. (If you can't see them go to Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets and check "ErrorHighlighter" under "Experimental".) --Nelson Ricardo (talk) 02:31, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I fixed the dead links and may return at a later time to address missing coordinates. Nelson Ricardo (talk) 03:29, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Having added missing coordinates, I can now throw my support behind the Winnipeg article.--Nelson Ricardo (talk) 22:52, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have taken a run-through for spelling and formatting, and have done some updating. Some more updating would be a good idea. Ground Zero (talk) 02:50, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per others. There's plenty of information, and no section of the article appears to be lacking, plus some very useful travel information such as the parts of the city in between. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 22:39, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Outcome: DotM for June 2021. —Granger (talk · contribs) 17:21, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]


Place: Visp
Blurb: This town is known as a rail hub and for its chemical plant, but if you step off the train there are still some things to see in Visp. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any? Switzerland is both a summer and winter destination, though I figured there may still be one summer (May-Sep) OtBP slot to fill.
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 15:10, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
Comment: The article has been a guide since 2016 when a Swiss user thought there's not much more to say about Visp. German WV's article isn't that impressive but there may be some details worth bringing over.[reply]

  • Support as nominator. Ypsilon (talk) 15:10, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support The article is fine as it is, but there is some scope for expanding eat, drink and sleep based on the German article. AlasdairW (talk) 23:10, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose- 1. Why feature somewhere on the main page that's so boring (virtually nothing to 'See' or 'Do')? 2. If it's a hub of Switzerland's rail network, it's not off the beaten track.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 23:32, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment It looks to me like the Visp Railway Station is on the beaten path but that actually visiting the town may not be, and it's certainly not a big enough draw to merit a DotM feature, so OtBP it is. That said, if there's anything to add from the German-language article, I'd like to see it. It's a very usable article but indeed not that interesting, though if all that's of interest is covered, so be it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:02, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, to my understanding most remain on the train or change trains (so going beyond the station would be an OtBP thing). De-WV lists some activites that could be added. --Ypsilon (talk) 07:50, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
My point wasn't that it should be DOTM; it was why would we feature somewhere that isn't worth visiting? That should be a consideration when posting any nomination, and the article as it stands does not portray somewhere that anyone would want to visit.
It does look like, from de.wikivoyage, there's considerably more to do there than our article covers, though a lot of it is vaguely "around Visp" without using proper listings or featuring contact details. I'll change my vote to a not yet, pending the addition of more listings, especially See and Do. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 09:57, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Some more listings added from German Wikivoyage and German Wikipedia. --Ypsilon (talk) 18:31, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. I think there are enough things to see and do to justify OTBP; the article itself seems to contain enough information for a traveler to spend a day or two there. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 21:53, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Outcome - OtBP for June 2021. --Ypsilon (talk) 15:48, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

American cuisine[edit]

Place: American cuisine
Blurb: Savor the delights of one of the world's most diverse yet underrated culinary traditions. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Usable (as of 13 June 2020)Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any
Nominated by: The dog2 (talk) 20:25, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
Comment: I know it has not been upgraded to guide yet, but I think it's pretty close to getting there with a few minor fixes (I'd be OK with promoting it as it is now, but there's still some opposition from the community). It's about time we showcase to the world that contrary to media stereotypes, the United States is in fact a worthy culinary tourism destination[reply]

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  • Support as nominator. The dog2 (talk) 20:25, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Close. Not nearly enough information about Native American cuisine and African American cuisine, but otherwise good. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 20:35, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - Since Chinese cuisine is due for July-Aug, I imagine this article won't be featured before summer 2021, so plenty of time to expand and make sure it's eligible for featuring by being a Guide.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 21:20, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Needs a considerable amount of work. I went into the exact nature of that work in Talk:American cuisine#Upgrade to guide, but there hasn't been much progress since then. I would like to see this article on the Main Page, though - I agree with what the blurb says about its tendency to be underrated among world cuisines (though, side note, the U.S. spelling is "savor", without the U; I fixed it) - and maybe this nomination will be the kick in the pants I need to take matters into my own hands. I anticipate my activity level at Wikivoyage to increase after the end of the month, so we'll see if others get to it before I do. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 23:41, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - It's definitely an extensive article, and I'm ready to support it when users who are more familiar with the details of the American cuisine will. And the article needs more photos. --Ypsilon (talk) 07:36, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
One year later and the article is scheduled to be featured in 1 month and 10 days but still at usable status. The article is still quite listy, but again, probably a cuisine article can't be comprehensive without lists of dishes. --Ypsilon (talk) 18:36, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I suggest we put it on ice until someone American (maybe André when he comes back) can expand and improve.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 20:54, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It may be the right decision, given that we have many wikivoyagers from America who know what needs to be done and perhaps can make those edits at some point.
Ikan, The dog2 and Mx. Granger, what do you think? --Ypsilon (talk) 12:00, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think it's probably okay to feature in more or less its current state, though parts of do feel "list-y" and like they're trying to exhaustively catalogue ingredients rather than give travel advice. Certainly there's room for improvement, I guess it's just a question of what standard we want to hold it to. —Granger (talk · contribs) 15:42, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I would certainly like to see this featured some day given that American food is way more diverse than what international stereotypes make it out to be. I know AndreCarrotflower stated his interest in working on this once, but he hasn't got to it yet. I think it's fine to be featured given it's quite extensive, but I'd also be OK slushing it for now until one of our American editors decides to work on it. The dog2 (talk) 17:04, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It's still only usable, so unless either of you above think that's wrong, then it's currently ineligible to be featured. The standard we hold it to is that of a guide article!--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 17:07, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think it meets the criteria for guide status – I don't see any major omissions. The room for improvement I see is more a question of whether parts of it are too detailed or should be organized or framed differently. —Granger (talk · contribs) 19:37, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think it's ready for guide status too, but I respect the views of the community as a whole. The dog2 (talk) 20:16, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Haven't looked at it in a while; it's very long, but I've bumped up to guide. Also, reading it has made me realise I shouldn't have been shocked by the cocktail menu of an Irish bar in upstate NY.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 21:14, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Anyone familiar with the African American cuisine who feel something important is missing, if yes, please add that. Other than that I think we will be running it in June (as of lately I added back the banner to Wikivoyage:Destination_of_the_month_candidates#Next_changes). --Ypsilon (talk) 19:09, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

May 2021[edit]


Place: Nicosia
Blurb: There are plenty of cultural treasures in the divided capital of Cyprus. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Spring or fall
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 19:54, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
Comment: Cyprus is another country we haven't featured anything from, and it's after all a notable travel destination (though most visitors head for the beaches). I found this article in a decent shape and I've updated, expanded and otherwise improved it as of lately.[reply]

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Crawford (Nebraska)[edit]

Place: Crawford (Nebraska)
Blurb: Once a wild and rowdy frontier town, the nearby Fort Robinson is today a museum and there are many natural attractions nearby. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: The place really has continental climate, per, so summer but maybe not mid-summer. I'd say May-Jun or Sep-Oct.
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 21:00, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
Comment: Here's a nice article from a lesser-traveled corner of the U.S. for the early fall 2020. I guess there's nothing in this small town that's not already in the article (I added some coords a while ago and checked that everything was still in business).[reply]

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  • Support as nominator. Ypsilon (talk) 21:00, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - nothing wrong with the article, but the place seems a bit dull. Maybe this is because the article is quite short, with few details in the listings, or maybe it's because there isn't much to see or do.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 18:50, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
One cannot expect too much of a town of 1000 inhabitants, I guess, though the fort has an article in WP, perhaps there's something interesting we could bring over. --Ypsilon (talk) 19:21, 14 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not yet. I would support it but there really should be more prose about the places to see. While listings are helpful and needed in our travel articles, most of our guide-status articles include prose in each section that describes the overall quality and style of the points of interest in the city. Without that information, this may well be a guide article, but not a DotM-worthy article. The fact that climate data — which ought to be in an article that's a destination of the month/off the beaten path — has be retrieved from outside the website itself shows that this article hasn't yet reached main page-worthy status. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 15:02, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Added some climate info and a little more about the fort, which is apparently the attraction. --Ypsilon (talk) 18:15, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Outcome - OtBP for May 2021.

Stockholm history tour[edit]

Place: Stockholm history tour
Blurb: A 1000 year stroll from the Viking Age through the Nobel Prize and the rise of a world-leading scene for technology and pop music. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: May to August
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 22:02, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
Comment: Slussen and Norrmalm became more walkable by the end of 2020. As we just had some Nordic destinations, this article might as well wait for 2021.[reply]

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  • Basically support. If I may nitpick a little bit, I'm not so sure the very first geocoordinate for "Stockholm" is needed. For get around, an hour is enough if we're writing for w:The Amazing Race, but especially if you venture into museums I guess you should budget a full day. The timeline section could maybe be placed as a subsection of Understand. --Ypsilon (talk) 18:58, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • As the author, I would enjoy comments on which material to expand, and which to delete for being to peripheral. /Yvwv (talk) 19:30, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think there's anything we'd need delete. There are some listings whose descriptions are just one line long so those could be expanded if possible. --Ypsilon (talk) 10:09, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
During spring 2021, an archaeological excavation will take place at Södermalmstorg, at the beginning of the journey. It is likely to reveal ruins and artifacts from the Middle Ages in plain sight, until the new city square is built on top. /Yvwv (talk) 11:50, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Needs a bit of work - this fantastic article is not really an itinerary, because it doesn't have directions from one POI to the next. With just those, I'd be ready to support, but a couple of minor things to improve: 'Prepare' seems a bit short; perhaps it could talk about weather and season (or at least direct you to the right part of the city article), what you should wear (including footwear), whether you should expect to cross lots of roads, whether there are any access issues for people with mobility problems, whether there are alternatives to walking (cycling, public transport?).--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 20:49, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Outcome - FTT for May 2021. --Ypsilon (talk) 16:55, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

April 2021[edit]


Place: Prambanan
Blurb: Although far from intact, Prambanan is one of Java's great template complexes showcasing the building skills of the Mataram Kingdom. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: from the climate table in WP for Yogyakarta Apr-Oct seem to make up the dry season
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 18:53, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
Comment: Sections below See are quite short. But this is an archaeological park so Eat, Drink and Sleep aren't that important I guess. But the few listings should be googled to check that they still exist. Nearby Yogyakarta was DotM in October 2006, Borobudur in May 2012.[reply]

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  • Needs some work per comment. --Ypsilon (talk) 18:53, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yes Done --Ypsilon (talk) 16:22, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]


Place: Simpelveld
Blurb: Would you believe you can find two monasteries, a sarcophagus, and a steam railway in this little Dutch town? (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: May-Sep
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 18:24, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
Comment: Time to start thinking about next summer's OtBPs too, don't you think? We have a great coverage of the small towns villages in the southeasternmost corner of the Netherlands, many of the articles are guides. I picked Simpelveld because it lacked coordinates, and by adding them using Google Maps I automatically could update the article (the monastery not open to visitors as of 2015 had been turned into a museum, a pizzeria had moved and a café closed) - two useful task in the same time. Should be good to go now.[reply]

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  • Support as nominator. --Ypsilon (talk) 18:24, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. I do like seeing places that are definitely off the beaten path come by, though for Simpelveld's case, I feel like some things are lacking. I am anything but familiar with the town or its surroundings, but I know for a fact that there is quite a rich Roman history around the town, at least containing two or three villae. I'm not sure how accessible these are to the public, but they might be worth including, especially since Southern Limburg around Heerlen is rather dense with Roman activity. I'll see what I can find and add over the coming few weeks. -- Wauteurz (talk) 12:33, 31 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
As amazing as it would have been to add on something about this, the five confirmed villae around Simpelveld (two around the town itself, three more around Bocholtz), as well as the two villae around Ubachsberg are not visible and are preserved in situ, meaning the remnants (if they still exist) are preserved underground where they were found. Moreover, I believe all of them are only partially excavated to begin with, so the likelihood of them being incorporated into the public space as a monument or something the likes is very small at this time. To be fair, there's plenty of visible remnants (Click "adjust view settings" in the lower right and select "Visible sites") of Roman activity around the (former) Rhine and in Limburg, but for this article, none of them are worth including. -- Wauteurz (talk) 13:05, 31 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, though not of the strongest kind. I feel like the article is a bit short and doesn't list that much. That's not wrong per se though. Simpelveld definitely has more interesting things to offer than some Dutch cities, so it definitely has potential if you'd ask me. It could do with some more text and somewhat more appealing images though. -- Wauteurz (talk) 13:05, 31 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. A good introductory two paragraphs in the "understand" section followed by a number of choices for places to go along with restaurants. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 17:21, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Wire Tour[edit]

Place: The Wire Tour
Blurb: Are you a fan of the TV-series The Wire? Then this grand tour of filming locations all over Baltimore is definitely something for you. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: according to Baltimore's DotM nomination Mar-May or Sep-Nov (midsummer is very hot and muggy)
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 14:13, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
Comment: I'm not familiar with these tv series either, but the article is at guide status, looks pretty extensive and has many static maps. If you're familiar with the series and notice the article needs improvement, by all means go ahead and do so. It was mostly written back in the Wikitravel days ten years ago, but itineraries doesn't get old in the same way that destination articles do.[reply]

Cast of the Wire - Sohn Hector Williams.jpg
  • Support as nominator. Ypsilon (talk) 14:13, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: Looks outstanding. I'm not sure why (as it seems) no-one has nominated this for Star. Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:38, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I haven't seen the series, as it only had very limited airing in the UK, but it looks a good article. However, the itinerary is not likely to mean much to readers who haven't seen most of the series. The Wire was first on air over ten years ago. It is regularly repeated on major TV channels? Has it been shown much outside North America? Otherwise I think that we may be nearly 10 years too late in featuring this. AlasdairW (talk) 23:08, 18 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Half a year ago we ran Seinfeld Tour, whose last episode aired in 1998, so I don't think it'd be a problem. Also, the series are very likely available online. Ypsilon (talk) 23:17, 18 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

March 2021[edit]

Oaxaca (city)[edit]

Place: Oaxaca (city)
Blurb: A colorful colonial city, Oaxaca also retains some of its pre-Columbian heritage. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Nov-Apr is the dry season
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 13:18, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
Comment: Time for another of StellarD's Mexican articles. A while back I added a couple of coordinates, photos from Commons and some other stuff. Should be good to go sometime next winter.[reply]

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  • Support as nominator. --Ypsilon (talk) 13:18, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • In case anyone hasn't heard, there was a 7.7-magnitude earthquake today centered in Oaxaca state and an associated tsunami warning. Reports are sketchy at the moment but indicate widespread structural damage and at least one death (and probably many more than that). I had this article tentatively scheduled for a March 2021 DotM feature; let's stay tuned as we may have to scuttle that. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 19:01, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately, I think rescheduling may be necessary, and tragically, in a city with historical architecture that wasn’t built to resist earthquakes, many important points of interest may be damaged or destroyed. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 19:06, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Let's wait for a day or two, by then there are more news reports available about the impact. If many sights have been damaged, then I agree we shouldn't run the article. --Ypsilon (talk) 19:35, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Here is a report from the city government of Oaxaca City. 41 buildings are reported to be "damaged" in some way, including five historical buildings (are the four religious buildings mentioned later part of these five?). Luckily the epicenter was a bit away from Oaxaca City, at the coast, and as the city government hasn't written anything more about the quake on their websites' press release section I assume it didn't affect the city so badly after all. --Ypsilon (talk) 17:05, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Porto da Cruz[edit]

Place: Porto da Cruz
Blurb: Particularly great for surfers and hikers, this village on Madeira's backside surprisingly also boasts some industrial heritage. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any, but Northern winter and early spring is the high season
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 18:54, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
Comment: Given how many (European) visitors travel to the Canary Islands and Madeira to escape the winter, how is it possible that we've never featured anything from this corner of the world!? This is another article that was in a decent shape when I found it and have been improving and updating it little by little, adding things like geo coordinates and a couple of places that wasn't listed. I'd say everything about this village is mentioned in the article now.[reply]

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Czech phrasebook[edit]

Place: Czech phrasebook
Blurb: Planning a visit to Prague's old town, Plzen's breweries or maybe the Ore mountains? Czech out this phrasebook and learn some useful phrases for your trip! (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 19:09, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
Comment: Early in the year we traditionally run a phrasebook as FTT. Here's one of our complete phrasebooks (with everything translated and transcribed). I just added some photos to give it a bit life.[reply]

Anděl, Nádražní, přemístěné taxistanoviště.jpg
  • Support as nominator. --Ypsilon (talk) 19:09, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • It seems to be the night of the terrible puns; a friend has just handed in his dissertation "H.C. Sprache: How the FPÖ used language during H.C. Strache's leadership to achieve their political aims" :D --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 19:38, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hardcore Sprache? --Ypsilon (talk) 04:37, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support It looks good. I know some Czech, so I am reasonably confident that it doesn't have major errors. The question asking if the hotel room comes with bedsheets reminds me of some unmodernised Czech hotels in the nineties! AlasdairW (talk) 22:32, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. I don't speak Czech, but the article looks good to me. —Granger (talk · contribs) 00:22, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

February 2021[edit]


Place: Colombo
Blurb: Sri Lanka's largest city is a lively place and a stepping stone to the rest of the island. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: per the climate chart Dec-Mar, Jun-Aug
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 20:30, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
Comment: Sri Lanka is the last South Asian country from where we've never featured anything. The article for Colombo was, like many articles from that corner of the world, informative but a bit disorganized and lacking coordinates, so I took care of that a while ago. Would make a nice (Northern Hemisphere) winter feature.[reply]

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  • Support as nominator. --Ypsilon (talk) 20:30, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Looks like it might need some minor copyedits, but that's not enough to preclude me voting support now. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 04:05, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not just yet, though I agree it contains a lot of good material & could make a fine feature. However, unlike Andre, I'm not sure the work required is "minor". See my comments starting at Talk:Colombo#District_numbers. Pashley (talk) 15:53, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not yet - I think the Understand section can be a little longer. Also, is there any flight to Hambantota airport? It has been referred to as the world's emptiest international airport. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 06:06, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
To do list[edit]

From the article's talk page and this discussion:

  • District numbers
  • Slave Island
  • Rail transport
  • Gem shopping - ?
  • Understand
  • Hambantota Airport

--Ypsilon (talk) 18:43, 14 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]


Place: Belgrave
Blurb: This lively, little town in the middle of a beautiful forest has such a sense of community you'll feel it's your home. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: November - February months are warm and nice, although the Lantern Festival is in Winter
Nominated by: CupcakePerson13
Comment: It has many different places and activities listed and things to do. There haven't been many featured articles from Australia recently, this one would be great. Belgrave hasn't been featured before and only has recently been upgraded to a guide, so has never had the chance to be featured despite how much information there is out there about the place. It has some history in understand but there could be more.

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  • Close - I'm impressed by how quickly CupcakePerson13 has filled out this article. There may seem like a lot of items on the following list of things to improve, but they're all small jobs and as Selfie City stated on Talk:Belgrave, realistically this won't be featured for several months to a year, so there's plenty of time for fixes:
  • 'Eat' section doesn't make it clear whether there is a range of 'Budget', 'Mid-range' and 'Splurge' options, so those headings would be helpful.
  • I agree the 'Understand' section could do with more info, and not just history, but stuff about the current town's character, its people, climate etc.
  • 'Get in' and 'Get around' seem a bit bare on details; train prices and distances from central Melbourne would be good for 'Get in', while 'Get around' could have more info on the buses (routes, tickets, map) and cycling (bike rental available?).
  • Lastly, the article needs at least three more high quality photos of things which aren't Puffing Billy. Cute though he may be, it'd be nice to see other parts of the town, different landmarks etc.

All in all, a pleasant read. If I ever went to Australia, it would certainly be Melbourne, and I'd be sure to do a trip out to Belgrave while I was there.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 11:23, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes Done CupcakePerson13, as the climate statistics are not in Belgrave itself, let me know if they are substantially different from Belgrave's climate. Probably a description of the climate would also be helpful. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 14:16, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Very close I had an Australian article in mind to nominate for OtBP for a month in the first half of 2021, but having a freshly written article is much better. For such a small town, I don't think the Understand section needs to be longer but you're of course free to expand it if you like. The article looks quite OK; for its size there seem to be surprisingly many places to eat and drink in Belgrave. And I too think it could be nice with some more photos of something else than trains and rail infrastructure (the only type of photos on Commons). In the case CupcakePerson13 happens to be a local and have a camera on hand it would be very nice if they could help out. --Ypsilon (talk) 16:07, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not yet, but getting close. A lot of good work has been done in the last few days. It needs some other pictures - if no others are available File:1000 Steps, Kokoda Track Memorial Walk, Dandenong Ranges National Park.jpg might do. By train needs some more info on the station and trains, it could link to w:Belgrave railway station, which suggests that By bus is also a way of getting in. I would like to see details of some of the forest walks that appear to be possible from here - would I be better on the Hillclimb Track or Coles Ridge Track?. Earthly Pleasures is listed in both drink and connect with identical listings. There should be links to Dandenong Ranges and the nearby suburb of Lysterfield, which might be merged in, and it would be good for Go next to have some links to other articles - tempt a main page reader to explore the rest of the Yarra Valley or southeast Victoria. AlasdairW (talk) 20:53, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Close but not quite echoing others' reasoning. Excellent work so far, though, CupcakePerson13. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 22:00, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Travel photography/Full systems[edit]

Place: Travel photography/Full systems
Blurb: Are you planning to become more serious about your photographing with lens sets, tripods and all, but are wondering where to start? Check out this guide for some useful advice! (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Anytime
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 12:39, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
Comment: A comprehensive article that I promoted to guide recently. Pashley has improved the article even more since.[reply]

Kenko Mirror Lens 800mm f-8 DX - New Gear Acquired! (8738738718).jpg
  • Support as nominator. --Ypsilon (talk) 12:39, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Pashley (talk) 22:59, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support It could be improved with a better introduction and a couple of photos of basic full system cameras at the start. When this is featured on the main page, it will be read by people who have only taken a photo with a phone. It is unfortunate that WP and Commons structure their articles differently so this article has its own Wikidata page, and hence no links to get more info. For an article about photography it is surprisingly short of photos. AlasdairW (talk) 23:04, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Why isn't it linked to Q209871, "System camera"? Because there is no such article on en-wp? Commons:Category:System cameras is still linked to that item (and its parent item "camera" is the main item), while our Q15077465 "Full travel photography systems" is orphan. Why have a separate "travel" specification? All our articles are about travel. Should those two simply be merged? We could also create a gallery page on Commons, with any pictures we want. –LPfi (talk) 00:32, 24 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

January 2021[edit]

Johor Bahru[edit]

Place: Johor Bahru
Blurb: Many a fun adventure awaits in the fast-growing, multicultural metropolis across the causeway from Singapore! (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: It's about equally wet and warm around the year, but Jan-Feb and Jun-Sep are a bit dryer
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 18:28, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
Comment: Speaking of articles to run in the winter, this is a very informative article that a contributor User:Chongkian has worked actively on for the last years, so it definitely should be showcased on the Main Page. I just added coordinates to listings that lacked them. Speaking of listings, there are quite many of them so the article perhaps needs to be districtified, perhaps not.[reply]

Johor Bahru city in 2015.jpg
  • Support - as said, very informative article (perhaps even too much?) --Ypsilon (talk) 18:28, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - I'm moving house, so my presence on Wikivoyage will be reduced for the next few days to a week, so I likely won't have time to examine this article and register a support/oppose vote until things settle down in my life. However, it's worth noting that Johor Bahru was slushed back in 2013. Though I too have been following Chongkian's diligent work and I imagine most of the article's previous shortcomings have been addressed, it might be worthwhile to review the feedback from its earlier nomination to see where further improvements might be warranted. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 04:10, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • What a time to move! Stay safe, and good luck with the new place! Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:26, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Indeed. We signed the lease, put the security deposit down, sent 30 days' notice to our current landlord, and only then did all hell break loose. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 06:19, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Wow... moving is stressful and time-consuming even under normal circumstances without having to worry about yourself or someone close to you getting sick or authorities suddenly shutting down places and restricting movement. Take your time and I hope everything goes well. --Ypsilon (talk) 17:11, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - This article have details of the place. Personally, after reading this article, I've made up my mind to visit this place once I'm in Johor.CyberTroopers (talk) 14:56, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - I once visited this place with User:Chongkian, and I will say that this place is out of ordinary place to visit. So, it is worth it to be placed as Destination of the Month. SNN95 (talk) 22:35, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Johor Bahru is a very underrated city which no one knows much about it. In reality, the city has been undergoing extreme transformation over the past 10 years with many construction, modernization, clean up efforts are taking place each day. It has now been equally developed throughout its whole area (with many dining, shopping, recreation, night life, sports, culture, history, nature etc), not just at the old city center area along Wong Ah Fook street, that's just probably only 5% of what the city is about today. Chongkian (talk) 09:39, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Very nearly - I have gone through this article with a fine-tooth comb, and most of the issues that were described last time Johor Bahru was nominated have been fixed. I haven't been tracking the changes, but judging by the comments made back in 2013, this has come on leaps and bounds.
The one major thing that remains from before is the article is still quite long. I believe our standards have shifted somewhat since 2013 such that the article would no longer qualify as "too long" (as they said), but having said that, it may be worth considering whether it wouldn't be better to split it into four districts, per the 'Areas' listed near the top. The spread of listings seems fairly even across the city, so there should be enough content for each new article. But I'd love to know what others think about this, particularly Chongkian.
Another thing which needs some attention is that not all of the listings have basic details like opening hours and a brief description; the vast majority do, which is great, but this needs to be consistent, even if a listing has to say "no official opening hours, but generally open at these times..." Some listings which just say "science center" or "Chinese restaurant" either need more detail, or if there's nothing more to say, we should delete them for being too boring.
In an article this good, there are also some nitpicks, which would be nice to fix, but not necessary for featuring:
  • The spelling is all over the place; whether British or American spelling is used seems random, rather than a conscious choice (one particularly jarring listing has "Convention Centre" in its name, but "convention center" a few words later. Just pick one spelling system and use it consistently.
  • I would personally like an introduction to typical local foods at the top of the 'Eat' section, and recommended things to buy at the top of the 'Buy' section.
  • The 'Drink' section mentions a tax-free area (The ZON), which also says you have to pay a customs fee when leaving the area. How much is this fee? Does it offset any saving you make on the drinks, or is the "duty free' schtick basically just a con to get you to spend more?
  • There are a lot of listings without an official website linked. Where a venue has a site or a social media account, this should be listed.
All in all, an excellent article, well-written, and the fact the main author is a local is obvious (in a very good way). If I ever visit the region again, I'll be sure to check out Johor Bahru! Hope my feedback is constructive.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 14:49, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - It's a well-written article, with a lot of local knowledge going to it. I'll be sure to try to squeeze in a trip across the border the next time I go back to Singapore, and I'd certainly recommend visitors to Singapore to hop across the border too if they have the time. The dog2 (talk) 02:09, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Torres del Paine National Park[edit]

Place: Torres del Paine National Park
Blurb: Iconic mountain formations, glaciers, lakes and grasslands await you in this national park at the southern end of the Americas. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Austral summer (Northern winter)
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 20:28, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
Comment: Dropping another (Northern Hemisphere) winter article here. It was in a pretty good shape (and has been regularly updated by new users) so I took the liberty of promoting it to guide status a while ago after adding some coords.[reply]

Cuernos del Paine from Lake Pehoé.jpg
Yes Done --Ypsilon (talk) 20:20, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Driving in Norway[edit]

Place: Driving in Norway
Blurb: With many remote attractions and scenic roads, driving in Norway is not necessarily only a way to get off the beaten path in Norway but can be an experience in itself. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Summer probably, though Norway is also popular for winter sports so winter isn't entirely unthinkable
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 15:39, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
Comment: One of the best, if not the best driving article we haven't featured yet. It's probably not going to be featured before this time next year at earliest, but it's one of the articles I've really wanted to nominate for a long time (and before someone else nominates a "driving in" article in which case this would have to wait yet another year). It's definitely a comprehensive article, but the layout with tables and photos looks a bit weird here and there. Maybe we can also turn some of the many bullet points into normal paragraphs of text.[reply]

A view from Riksveg 55 at Sognefjellet.jpg


December 2020[edit]


Place: Dunedin
Blurb: Late 19th-century architecture, student life, and a scenic coastline await you in this New Zealand city with a proud Scots heritage and the world's steepest street! (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: maybe Nov-Mar, according to table in w:Dunedin#Climate
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 18:48, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
Comment: I'm starting to think about next Northern Hemisphere winter's featured articles and here's a nice one from New Zealand. The article was very comprehensive but many listings lacked coordinates, and as I added them, other voyagers (especially AlasdairW but others also) noticed work was being done on the article and helped out expanding the article making it even better.[reply]

Dunedin Railway Station2.jpg
  • Support - I'd say the article is complete and up to date. --Ypsilon (talk) 18:48, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - I was last in Dunedin in late 2018, so I am confident it is reasonably up to date and accurate. I have a slight doubt about the intoduction to Eat-Budget as it looks too cheap, but Dunedin may be cheaper than average NZ prices. AlasdairW (talk) 23:59, 25 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. The the "Understand" section could do with a little work (sub-headings/organization), but per AlasdairW's comment I support this nomination. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 11:28, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

New Smyrna Beach[edit]

Place: New Smyrna Beach
Blurb: It's best known as a haven for surfers, but this beachside city on Florida's "Fun Coast" also boasts first-rate wildlife spotting and a thriving if under-the-radar arts community. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: winter per Wikivoyage talk:Destination of the month candidates#Discussion from Quebec City's nomination
Nominated by: --Comment by Selfie City (talk
Comment: This has already been discussed at the link above, but I feel it's now about the appropriate time to nominate for OTBP. The reasoning provided there is that this is a good opportunity to feature a U.S. destination during the winter, rather than summer, which is when most Northern Hemisphere destinations are featured. I plan to continue improving this article, but I think it is either in or is close to a state in which it can be nominated for OTBP.

New Smyrna Beach Subtropical Rainforest.jpg
  • Support as nominator. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 19:34, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 19:52, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Very close - otherwise a good article, but a few listings (especially in Sleep) have no descriptions. If possible they should have a line or two, other than that I'd be ready to support the article. --Ypsilon (talk) 20:04, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Very close. Like Ypsilon said, ideally the Sleep listings should have descriptions. Other than that, looks ready to go. —Granger (talk · contribs) 03:46, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Very close per Ypsi and Granger. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 04:01, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

On the trail of Kipling's Kim[edit]

Place: On the trail of Kipling's Kim
Blurb: Come crisscross the northern British Raj with the scrappy little orphan boy from Rudyard Kipling's famous adventure novel. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Northern Hemisphere winter maybe?
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 19:09, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
Comment: It's been a while since we featured something from India. An interesting itinerary, mostly written by Pashley that until recently lacked instructions for voyaging the route today. But I took care of that some time ago with the help of Indian Railways' website, so I think the article is ready for the Main Page.[reply]

JLKipling Kim Zam Zamah.jpg
  • Support as nominator. --Ypsilon (talk) 19:09, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Pashley (talk) 03:29, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Actually this article made me want to read the book. Ibaman (talk) 00:12, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. I can't see that anything crucial is lacking in this article to prevent it from being featured as a destination. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 17:28, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

November 2020[edit]


Place: Arequipa
Blurb: Peru's second city (and the world's alpaca capital) is not only surrounded by volcanoes – the lovely Spanish colonial architecture in the old town is largely built of volcanic rock! (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any (almost the same weather around the year), but schedule-wise optimal during Northern Hemisphere winter
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 19:18, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
Comment: Let's feature an article from Peru on the Main Page again! I cleaned up the article and ran listings through Google Maps a while back with the intention of nominating it for DotM.[reply]

Plaza de Arequipa.jpg
  • Support as nominator. --Ypsilon (talk) 19:18, 1 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, though does need some work of course. Having only looked at the first sections, it strikes me that the 'Get in - By bus' section is beautifully detailed (though will need checking to verify prices / companies' continued existence), but the other subsections could do with filling out a bit. In 'Understand', it says "In the winter it is warmer than in the summer", which strikes me as unusual, and could do with elaboration. I have added a couple of hidden comments about ambiguous prices too: a few stray $ signs where it's not clear whether we're talking soles or U.S. dollars; the price of Excluciva buses.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 20:26, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Sol is one of the few currencies in the Americas not using the "dollar sign", but the rather weird "S/.". And as in developing countries in general, and the Americas in particular, I've understood USD is widely used for expensive purchases and goods and services used by tourists. --Ypsilon (talk) 17:10, 4 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, so it probably means dollars then. But I don't think mixing and matching is especially helpful. Perhaps all prices could be given in soles, with approximate dollar conversion in brackets? Or would people paying in dollars actually be paying more, either due to the exchange rate burden on locals or because foreigners are assumed to be able to afford it? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 19:04, 4 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
No idea, but in developing countries it's not uncommon that tourists are expected to pay in hard currency (and often also a higher price even if in the same currency, I've run into this in many Indian articles for example) and places mostly catering to foreign tourists often have their prices listed in USD (for instance Holiday Inn in Montevideo had this policy in 2014, and if you wanted to pay in pesos, the price was calculated according to the exchange rate of the day). Uruguay is certainly not a developing country, though, but a bit poorer than Western European countries (GDP per capita on par with Hungary and Latvia), but they do seem have a high inflation so... Ypsilon (talk) 19:48, 4 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed. Still, we have some ridiculously well-travelled individuals here who may shed some light on the specific situation in Peru.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 19:54, 4 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Granger? --Ypsilon (talk) 20:12, 4 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I have a vague feeling that some hotel rates might have been in dollars in Peru, but I don't think I paid for anything in dollars. I remember being warned specifically not to use dollars to pay tips on the Inca Trail. Overall I have the feeling dollars were less used in Peru than in Uruguay, but I didn't spend that much time in Peru and it was a while ago so I'm not sure. I have a friend who spent a few months in Peru (mostly Lima and the Sacred Valley) - I'll ask what he thinks. —Granger (talk · contribs) 00:13, 5 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
My friend said at least in Lima and Cusco you can get dollars from ATMs (like in Uruguay). But he thinks not as many prices are listed in dollars as in Uruguay, and it's not that common to pay in dollars in Peru – touristy places in Cusco accept dollars, but at a bad exchange rate. —Granger (talk · contribs) 13:18, 6 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]


Place: Iriomote
Blurb: One of the few remaining great wildernesses of Japan, whose jungles are famous for their native wild cats. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Oct-Apr, perhaps. Yaeyama Islands#Climate says the archipelago is a "popular winter getaway"
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 14:40, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
Comment: One of our many guide articles from Japan, and updated by Douglaspperkins some months ago. Was already a guide so I guess the article is good to go.[reply]

Iriomote Cat Statue mangrove.jpg
  • Support as nominator. --Ypsilon (talk) 14:40, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Although it's not long, I doubt length is necessary in this case. The article seems to be entirely appropriate for the (small, it sounds like) destination, with a limited number of listings that provide good details rather than an overwhelming number of listings without detail. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 16:04, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question - Is it a good idea for us to feature two of the Yaeyama Islands? Please note that Taketomi was OtBP in November, 2014. That's almost 6 years ago, and it might not matter, anyway, but it pays for us to at least be aware of this and consider it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:49, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
We've been featuring Chicago districts two years apart uncontroversially, and dive sites in South Africa at the same interval. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 20:56, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) I don't think it's a problem, as there have been so many years between them (Yonaguni was DotM in March 2006 so this would be our third feature from there) and we've been featuring articles (districts and itineraries) from the same city within with two years between them. --Ypsilon (talk) 21:00, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
OK, considered and resolved. Thanks, guys. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:40, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Aviation history[edit]

Place: Aviation history
Blurb: The past, present and future of flying are ready to explore at a multiplicity of museums and events the world over. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 10:30, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
Comment: Here's a flying article from a little different perspective. The article is quite extensive, and at the talk page there was even a suggestion to split it up by region. I do think the article could be featured in its current form, but I wouldn't be protesting if others would want to split it up. The event list was a little short, so I added some more of them, but as there are so many airshows around the world (though many scheduled for 2020 have been canceled or postponed for a certain reason...) I think we should include just the very biggest ones.[reply]

Wright flyer - full.jpg
  • Support --Ypsilon (talk) 10:30, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support featuring this well-written, detailed article. There are a handful of listings which are short on information and/or lack co-ordinates. I think the article is the right length, but it would probably make sense to order by continent, rather than an alphabetical list of all the countries in the world.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 10:49, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Excellent article. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 15:32, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Gladly as my contributions here were not small. Ibaman (talk) 00:12, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

October 2020[edit]

Tel Aviv[edit]

Place: Tel Aviv
Blurb: More than just a haven for beach bums and party animals, Israel's pulsating and liberal seaside metropolis boasts cultural attractions aplenty and a UNESCO-listed cornucopia of Midcentury Modern architecture. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Oct-May (summer would be too hot, I think)
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 19:33, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
Comment: Just upgraded this one to guide. The article looks comprehensive, the districts are all usable and many listings have been updated recently by Grahamsands. The See section in the main article is a bit unusual with bulleted lists and coordinates for the top attractions. If needed, it shouldn't take very long to turn it into normal text.[reply]

Tel Aviv Port Lowshot.jpg
Yes Done --Ypsilon (talk) 17:55, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nkhata Bay[edit]

Place: Nkhata Bay
Blurb: Lake Malawi is what this little village is all about: laying on the beach, diving, feeding fish eagles, tucking into a meal of fish, watching the sunset. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: May-Nov
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 19:21, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
Comment: Wow, there's soon been 5 full years since I translated and cleaned up this little article. So while it probably covers most of what the village has to offer (or did in January 2015) it's possibly to outdated and could use some updates closer to the time we run it. Also some POIs have been added afterwards that need coordinates.[reply]

Flickr - ggallice - Lake Malawi sunset.jpg
  • Conditional support - needs those updates, probably best a few months or weeks before it will be featured. Ypsilon (talk) 19:21, 14 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I had the same concern as Ypsilon has had when I looked at the article history. However, may I ask: who is going to do the updates? Unless someone is planning to visit the town, I'm unaware of any regular editors from that region who could make the necessary updates at the right time. (I'm not sure it's as simple as checking each business for a two reasons: 1) there are other parts of the article that may need updating and 2) some businesses might not have an online presence. I understand that this is a problem everywhere, but without local editors, this could be a problem. My current vote would be not yet, although I would love to see this article featured if it were possible. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 16:34, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Online checking of content can take articles surprisingly far. --Ypsilon (talk) 16:44, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Online checkup Yes Done. --Ypsilon (talk) 18:32, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Budget travel[edit]

Place: Budget travel
Blurb: Want to go on a trip but without breaking the bank? Check out this guide for some tips to cut your travel expenses! (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 18:48, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
Comment: Quite extensive article, some time ago I added some photos and upgraded it to guide. Can't come to think of anything important missing.[reply]

Towards KL.jpg
  • Support as nominator. Ypsilon (talk) 18:48, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not yet On a quick read, I did think that it was lacking in some areas. There is no mention of volunteering activities, which can sometimes be arranged with free accommodation or travel in exchange for a few hours helping. "Earn" doesn't say anything about the legal side of working away from home, maybe in a foreign country. Choosing a slightly different destination can have a major impact on costs - visit Manchester not London, Buffalo not New York etc. If you have a medical condition, the savings in health insurance can balance higher travel costs if you visit a country where you can use state hospitals. AlasdairW (talk) 00:28, 28 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not yet per Alasdair. Quality-wise, it's perfect, as any article that Ypsilon has "upgraded" would be, but the subject hasn't been fully covered. Also, following the same logic which only lets us have one phrasebook or cuisine every so often, there should be a fair gap between the current FTT, Flying on a budget, and this.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 21:26, 29 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not yet per AlasdairW's accurate description of a major problem in the "earn" section, which should, considering the topic, be much more detailed assuming we keep this section (and I think we should). Close following AlasdairW's edits. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 21:20, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I have added a couple of sentences on the paperwork for working, but this could be expanded. I have also added a short "Volunteer" paragraph. AlasdairW (talk) 20:22, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! I've upgraded my vote from "not yet" to "close." --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 21:20, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

September 2020[edit]


Place: Bruges
Blurb: ...whose charming cobblestone streets and centuries-old Gothic buildings both attest to a glorious past and serve as fodder for a modern-day cultural renaissance. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: May-Sep
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 17:12, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
Comment: If I counted correctly, in the DotM section I think we have articles up to April 2021, so next it's time to start to think about next summer's articles. Every summer we've traditionally featured at least one article from "Central Western Europe", so it's interesting that when it comes to Belgium we've only ever featured Ad's Path but no destination, so let's fix that.[reply]

Bruges was at guide status and otherwise in a quite good shape (it's always a good sign that practically all listings have coordinates), and a few weeks ago I expanded Understand with some history from other language versions, and now restaurants are grouped into price categories; those could still use some checkup (for example one of the more expensive restaurants with is described as having "very reasonable prices") though nothing big... As usual it can be useful to run everything through Google maps to see if everything is still in business a month before we run it.

Bruegge View from Rozenhoedkaai.jpg
@AlasdairW: Thanks for the website! That one looks really helpful, along with this one specifically regarding coronavirus information in the city. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 21:53, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]


Place: Alcamo
Blurb: Set among vineyards and beaches and with a jam-packed festival calendar built with the pious Catholic visitor in mind, this Sicilian town's long history has been influenced by Greek, Roman and (above all) Arab culture. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: The Understand section basically says "anytime". Climate-wise I think fall or spring are optimal for locations in southernmost Europe.
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 19:21, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
Comment: This amazing work by Pugliesig should've been on the Main Page long ago.[reply]

Chiesa del Collegio dei Gesuiti (Alcamo) - Facciata.jpg
  • Very close - some See listings have short descriptions. Also many the listings seem to have been added in 2015, so this article too could have its listings run through e.g. Google Maps a few months or weeks before we put it on the Main Page. --Ypsilon (talk) 19:21, 14 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Almost. Some more coordinates would be useful on some listings, especially in #Get around. I'm also not sure that it's standard practice to have listings for emergency services, etc. in #Stay safe. Otherwise, though, let's see if we can get this one to feature quality. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 16:02, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Almost - aside from the issues mentioned by Ypsilon (I've dealt with the list of emergency services, keeping those which a visitor could conceivably need and removing the rest), the written English needs a bit of attention. If it was translated from Italian, I can see the translator's workings, so to speak.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 15:08, 5 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Buffalo-Pittsburgh Highway[edit]

Place: Buffalo-Pittsburgh Highway
Blurb: Come along on a road trip through Rust Belt history on the 1920s-era auto trail dubbed "America's Great Industrial Broadway". (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Northern Hemisphere summer or autumn, preferably the latter
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 00:17, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
Comment: So I realize nominating an article in advance of reaching Guide status, rather than after the fact, isn't how we normally go about things with DotM. But we have a bit of an unusual situation here with regards to timing.[reply]

Finally - finally - I'm only a few days away from being completely finished updating our Buffalo content, after which I plan to reorganize the districts breakdown and we can finally have a Buffalo district article as DotM or OtBP, likely in summer 2021, by which time it will have been over four years since Buffalo had last appeared on the Main Page (Historic Churches of Buffalo's East Side was our March 2017 FTT). However, if we're to feature the Buffalo-Pittsburgh Highway in the autumn to take advantage of peak foliage (as I suggested we ought to), that leaves us with a rather narrow window in which to do that: we can either rush the nomination in time to make the schedule grid for September or October 2020, or else wait all the way until 2022. (Using as precedent Turku and King's Road, the latter a multi-city itinerary on which Turku was one of the stops, I'm okay with the idea of violating the "two years between featuring the same city" rule in that case, but would still prefer not to feature both in the same year.)

I hope that any concerns can be assuaged with the knowledge that this article has, in only a month's time, gone from being a bare-bones outline to nearly 137KB in length and by my estimation roughly two-thirds to three-quarters complete, and I expect to finish it before the beginning of summer 2020, let alone autumn. If you'd prefer to hold off on voting yea or nay until after that happens, that would be fine, but in advancing this nominee now I wanted to at least make sure Buffalo-Pittsburgh Highway got on the schedule grid in 2020 before we ran out of available slots.

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  • Support as nominator. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 00:17, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: it's a great step-by-step itinerary, but it does need more to be a great article. The blurb you've provided above explains why we'd want to go there, but the article doesn't. I think History is needed. If the fall colours are a good reason, the article should say so, and tell readers the best spots for viewing them. Good work overall. Ground Zero (talk) 00:49, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Ground Zero - The History section, along with all the other empty sections, are for the most part already extant, albeit in outline form and <!-- hidden from view -->. What I've been doing over the past month and am almost finished with is the real hard work of the article, researching tourist POIs and rehashing historical information about each town along the line. Once that's done, it's just a simple matter of converting bullet points to ordinary prose. I nominated the article now because I intend to place it on the September 2020 row of the schedule grid, which will be added when the next FTT goes on the Main Page on the 21st. As I said, I project the article will be complete in short order, though 10 days is pushing the envelope, I think. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 00:57, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Conditional support - except for some redlinks here and there, the description of the route itself looks good, and when the rest of the article is developed to the same level (or close to it) I'm happy to support the article.
Side note: there was actually more than two years between Turku (OtBP June 2015) and King's Road (FTT July 2017) - even if the two year limit starts from the last day Turku was on the Main Page before being replaced by July 2015's OtBP. --Ypsilon (talk) 15:46, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Conditional support along with Ypsilon, per removal of red links and a complete article with all sections filled with useful content. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 15:17, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • It seems like there's some confusion regarding the presence of redlinks in an article vis-à-vis its fitness to be featured as DotM/OtBP/FTT. The only instance where this is true is in the case of Country, Region, or Huge City articles, for whom every article below it in the breadcrumb hierarchy (subregions, city districts) as well as all places listed in the "Cities" and "Other destinations" section must be Usable or better in order for the article to attain Guide status. But an itinerary article by definition has nothing below it in the breadcrumb hierarchy, and there's never been any proscription against redlinks that merely appear in inline text. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 19:49, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, it's not a big deal. I thought that a guide article was not allowed to have redlinks, or at least for sure that featured articles wasn't allowed to have redlinks. It also raises the question, "Why do those not have articles?" but then, they may be small villages. If they're just villages, IMHO, they don't need links at all. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 21:53, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Progress report - Buffalo-Pittsburgh Highway now has fully developed "Understand" and "Get in" secions as well as a "Go" section that both "describes each stop [on the itinerary] and how to get there" and "suggests sights or side-trips along the way", and therefore it's now officially a Guide-level article per Wikivoyage:Itinerary status. There's still much work left to be done, notably a "Go next" section which I project will be quite detailed, so I would suggest that anyone who voted "conditional support" on this nomination hold off on reevaluating the article for the time being. However, I promised myself that once the article attained Guide status I could make up DotM banners for it, so please see Wikivoyage:Destination of the month candidates/Banners#Buffalo-Pittsburgh Highway and let's hear what you have to say. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 20:04, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Progress report, Part 2 - The article is now complete. Ground Zero, Ypsilon, and SelfieCity, when you guys get the chance, if you could look over the guide and either upgrade your votes from conditional to full support, or else let me know what you feel the article is still missing. (Anyone else who wants to chime in with their thoughts, by all means.) -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 01:38, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I looked at it two days ago, before the 'Prepare' and 'Stay safe' sections had any content. Now that they've also been filled out, I can support this nomination. Considering most of it has been written since February, that's really good work.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 10:21, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as this is now a good, detailed, well-developed article. Every destination along the road includes information that keeps the reader interested, wanting more, and while the red links I mentioned are still present, that's not the fault of this article, but the fact that no-one has created those articles yet. In fact, in some cases, if articles are started for those destinations, they could use content from this one with no harm done! --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 20:32, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Has the rest of the article developed to the same level as the route? Yes, definitely. So, as I promised, I'm happy to support the article. Ypsilon (talk) 20:37, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. I won't be able to read the whole article today, but I feel like that's not the point. It seems like an article to read in sections before each segment you drive, and since what I've already read is impressive and comprehensive like other articles mostly written by AndreCarrotflower, I have full confidence in the rest of it, though I'll skip through it a little now. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:54, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have made some minor changes to the article, and raised some questions on the talk page. The only concern that I think really should be addressed before this can go ahead as a featured article is the use of red text. I think we should find a better way of achieving what Andre is trying to do here. But this is just a formatting issue that I'm sure we can work out. Ground Zero (talk) 12:45, 28 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as the issue raised above has been addressed. Ground Zero (talk) 14:16, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

August 2020[edit]


Place: York
Blurb: Whether marveling at the world's foremost example of Gothic cathedral architecture or just walking the ancient streets where the Romans, Angles and Vikings once trod, the old Northern English capital is a medievalist's delight. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Star (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any, but recommend back half of year: 1 Aug is Yorkshire day, Sept has the highest concentration of major events, and there are also lots of pre-Christmas festivities. The weather may be poor in Nov/Dec, but the atmosphere is magical and nobody visits northern England for the weather anyway.
Nominated by: ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 18:37, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
Comment: One of England's most-visited cities, so deserves a crack at the main page - this would be the first time a British city had been DOTM since Manchester in 2015. I have been working on this one pretty solidly since September, so hope you all like it. Work is 95% complete, with the only issues which still need to be resolved being: a lot more images are needed, the lede needs a rewrite, plus anything which comes up in comments here. My blurb (above) probably needs work as well.[reply]

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  • Support as nominator.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 18:42, 10 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 21:14, 10 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. A really nice article, I looked at it until I could find something to complain about... and the airports in Get in need coordinates and the Drink section perhaps could use one more photo towards the end. ϒψιλον (talk) 15:47, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your support and for trying so hard to find faults ;-) I definitely haven't finished adding photos, it's just that finding good quality ones which are suitable takes time.
About the airports, generally I don't put co-ordinates for locations not in or near the place covered in the article. Plus the IATA code links to the article which covers the airport in detail. Do you still think I should put in the co-ords? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 16:37, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I have a habit of adding geo locations of important airports and other stations so that the traveller can visualize on the map where they will end up (relative to points of interest, hotels etc.) when they step off the vehicle. Do as you like. ϒψιλον (talk) 17:06, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • SupportGranger (talk · contribs) 14:13, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support It will need to be checked shortly before featuring to update which events are still running, but it is a good article, and the main See listings are less likely to need major changes. The article makes we want to visit York again. AlasdairW (talk) 22:11, 5 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]


Place: Apia
Blurb: Samoa's sleepy capital was home to Robert Louis Stevenson in the last years of his life, and today is home to colorful markets and a deep marine reserve. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Apr-Oct is the drier part of the year
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 19:47, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
Comment: Another one of the articles that have been on my nomination bucket list for a long time. It was already guide and as you can see in the article history I've updated some stuff as of lately.[reply]

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  • Support as nominator. Ypsilon (talk) 19:47, 6 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I haven't cross-examined it, but it looks okay. I give it the rating of needs work: I think it violates Wikivoyage:Avoid negative reviews by painting a somewhat negative picture of the city, and it could do with more detailed information about various aspects of life there. What does exist is a decent start. The quality of writing could be upgraded a bit in places, and I think general improvements would be necessary before this gets featured on the main page. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 16:04, 20 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • If the somewhat negative picture is justified, it doesn't violate those guidelines because it's about a destination, not a hotel or restaurant we could choose to simply not list. Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:59, 20 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
That makes sense. It would be useful, if possible, to get the opinion of someone who's been to the city, but I can understand that that might not be possible. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 16:18, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Following a second review of the article, I now vote support as it seems good enough to be nominated in a short time, while also featuring a destination from one of the regions that is underrepresented in the DotM schedule. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 14:55, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Scuba diving[edit]

Place: Scuba diving
Blurb: As Disney's The Little Mermaid taught us: "Darling, it's better down where it's wetter: under the sea." (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 17:44, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
Comment: Extensive article, at least to someone not familiar with diving. Peter and Graham worked extensively on the article a few months ago, and could probably help if there's something important missing.[reply]

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  • Support as nominator. --Ypsilon (talk) 17:44, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why not? Pretty extensive even to divers, but the non-diver's eye could spot things we would miss. I will give it another read and keep a lookout for any recommendations, queries, errors and omissions. • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 18:16, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, largely per User:Pbsouthwood. I think his support vote largely confirms that this should be used as a featured travel topic in the future. The article's formatting style is a little overwhleming, but that should not affect an FTT choice that is good otherwise. Some country sections are a little thin, but I think there's probably not too much to say for some countries, so the article is good and appropriate for the nomination. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 20:47, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, but there is room for improvement. I have never dived, so I don't know how accurate the article is, but it looks good. The table of contents is non-standard - a FTT may be the first article that a reader sees on the site, so I would prefer the standard banner TOC. The article is lacking in cost information, "you can expect to pay upwards of US$100 for two dives" in Japan, but how much is it elsewhere? Somebody new to the sport should be able to get an idea of how the costs of a diving trip would compare to skiing. The country information is a little thin, and doesn't really give enough to choose a shortlist of countries to investigate, maybe the Continent introductory paragraphs could have some comparisons in terms of facilities, popularity, price and safety. AlasdairW (talk) 21:36, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • The article is realistic on the actual topic, without going into a lot of detail as it is not a training manual or an encyclopedia.( I have written those too) Graham pruned a lot of the excess details and we summarised the country listings. Prices should be in the country listings, and even there are highly variable and depend to a large degree on how much gear you rent.
    • Country information is as you say a bit thin, but it is what we have. I have not dived in many countries, and much of the diving I did was not mainstream tourist stuff anyway, so I hesitate to go into much detail where I have no personal experience. It is possible to scrape the net for information and try so sift out the reality from the fluff, but almost everything written on the topic of dive tourism is promotional or written by people who have been there once and have little experience diving at other places to compare. I don't know how much of a problem this should be.
    • If you can make the standard banner TOC work for this, go ahead. • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 05:54, 13 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I should have mentioned myself that I have never dived, either, and thank you for the information. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 21:46, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
If there are things missing you think would be helpful to you as a non-diver, ask on the talk page, they maybe worth including. • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 05:54, 13 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

July 2020[edit]

Hamilton (Ontario)[edit]

Place: Hamilton (Ontario)
Blurb: Long known for its steel works, "The Hammer" has shed its Rust Belt image in favor of cultural attractions, specialty shopping, and natural beauty, with more than 100 waterfalls tumbling over the Niagara Escarpment inside the city limits. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: May-Oct
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 21:37, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
Comment: As discussed in Quebec City's soon to be slushed nomination, this could be a good replacement.[reply]

  • Still needs a little work, I just added some photos, but listings that are out of business need to be deleted, as usual. Also Sleep could use some more listings. --Ypsilon (talk) 21:37, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Almost — some more coordinates are needed, but otherwise, I support this nomination. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 15:09, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. There seem to be coordinates for listings as needed now, so I can support the nomination, although it's more than a little concerning that I'm the first to support this nomination despite the fact it's scheduled to be a DotM feature next month. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 14:51, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I support it too, as does Ypsilon, presumably, since everything he mentioned as needing to be fixed has been taken care of (presumably by him himself). -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 14:55, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oops, I completely forgot about this one. Will try to remember to run all listings through google maps and look for some more places to sleep before the article is featured. Ypsilon (talk) 15:09, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
And now I fixed the things I complained about, still needs some coordinates (not sure if all listings need them, for example the shopping streets and districts) but overall I support the article now. --Ypsilon (talk) 18:19, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]


Place: Faaborg
Blurb: With its iconic medieval clock tower and cobblestone streets, this small Danish village bursts into life in the summer. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Jun-Sep
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 18:53, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
Comment: A summer destination for the OtBP section, almost entirely written by Ydrassil whom I welcomed to Wikivoyage a little less than a year ago. So the article should be up to date and it looks like it covers this little town quite well. And there are no major formatting issues.[reply]

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  • Support as nominator. Ypsilon (talk) 18:53, 11 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support because the article includes plenty of options for tourists, from airports in Faaborg#Get in to restaurant listings later in the article. Many listings have quite detailed descriptions. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 13:28, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I have cleaned up the bewildering array of currency notations, and fixed the date and time formatting. More importantly, a featured article should have a good introductory paragraph to draw the reader in. This article had just one sentence. I have expanded it, but not knowing the town, I doubt that I have really captured what makes it place readers should want to visit. Also, there are several deadlinks in the art that should be fixed before it is featured. Ground Zero (talk) 20:05, 4 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks GZ, did you also fix the dead links? I'm down to Do now and have found one so far. Ypsilon (talk) 16:59, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I think I caught all of them... and this is an example of how fast articles go out of date – best to fix it before it's featured rather than almost a year before, because even in small destinations (with short articles) there are things that may change. For the lead section, I think it's good as it is now. --Ypsilon (talk) 18:16, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Chinese cuisine[edit]

Place: Chinese cuisine
Blurb: Sample a culinary tradition that's rich, ancient, and diverse enough to match the country where it originated. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any
Nominated by: —Granger (talk · contribs) 13:30, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
Comment: Just promoted to Guide, and nominating as suggested on the talk page. I think this would be our first "cuisine" feature.[reply]

  • Support as nominator. On a topic like this, there's always more that could be added, but this article gives a solid introduction to the topic and a good survey of well-known dishes. —Granger (talk · contribs) 13:30, 5 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. I agree. Granger and TheDog2 in particular have done great work on this article. Various other people including me have chipped in where we could. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:22, 5 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. On a glance it looks good, presenting different regional cuisines, notable ingredients and dishes and etiquette. Maybe one thing that could be added would be meals and meal times in China — is breakfast in general heavy or light, at what time is dinner usually eaten and such. Or are there big differences between different parts of the country also in this aspect?
I'm not too familiar with Chinese cuisine, but luckily many fellow Wikivoyagers are, and if you'd say the article covers all important parts of Chinese cuisine, then we should definitely present it on the Main Page. Ypsilon (talk) 18:53, 5 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per User:Ypsilon. It looks like an excellent article. Those who are writing the article could consider, however, writing a "stay healthy" section and then moving the infobox there (to me, the infobox seemed misplaced). I thought the infobox was very entertaining. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 11:31, 26 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Generally a good article, but a few points could be looked at: "Dietary restrictions" has nothing about sugar in savoury dishes (common when Chinese dishes are served in the UK, but I don't know what the situation is in China) - Travelling on a low-carbohydrate diet has some advice which could maybe adapted. There is nothing about tipping. AlasdairW (talk) 20:26, 26 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    I've added two sentences about tipping. In my experience, sweet main courses aren't as common in China as they are in American Chinese restaurants, though they do exist in Zhejiang, Shanghai, and Cantonese cuisine. —Granger (talk · contribs) 00:32, 27 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Add Jiangsu to that too. Suzhou and Wuxi have some signature dishes that are sweet, which includes the Wuxi version of xiaolongbao. The dog2 (talk) 17:54, 27 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Wuxi spareribs also include sugar. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:10, 27 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Admittedly, a little more work could perhaps be done to expand on it, and I've tried to add a little more detail myself, but I think it's more or less ready to be featured. And this would also be a good educational article that can showcase the sheer diversity of Chinese cuisine that many Westerners are not aware of (though to be fair, we Asians also tend to make the same types of overgeneralisations about American cuisine). The dog2 (talk) 00:48, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Enthusiastic support. A well-developed article about a cuisine that's way more artful, nuanced, etc. than it's portrayed in Western culture. Thank you to everyone who made this article what it is. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 16:19, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

June 2020[edit]


Place: Oslo
Blurb: With a history that stretches back to the Viking Age, Norway's compact capital is best known today for winter sports and sustainable architecture. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Late winter for snow, May for National Day, summer for city-life
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 23:18, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
Comment: The only Nordic capital yet to be featured. Lots of buildings finished during recent years. While still one of the world's most expensive cities, the krone has fallen since its record level around 2013 (from 0.18 US$ to 0.12).[reply]

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  • Could do with some work, but otherwise looks like a quite a good nomination. As the previous sentence suggests, I have some fairly minor concerns with nominating this article. But before I get to them, I think we ought to go with summer if possible for this nomination. I can imagine that Oslo is too cold to be enjoyable for tourists during much of the year. Even if it isn't too cold, if we post up Oslo in February on the main page, most people will think that it's cold and they won't want to go there.
Now to the nitty-gritty. When you nominate a huge city article (that is, one with districts underneath it), you are nominating the districts as well as the city article itself. The Oslo Center District article is only at usable status, and while most of the article sections in that district article look fine, the "Do" section has only one listing — one listing. And while "see" makes up for this with a total of 17 listings, the lack of "Do" listings makes it obvious that there are things you can do in downtown Oslo not mentioned in this article. If there are any "see" listings that are actually things to do, then this is not a concern, since we can just move those "see" listings down to the correct section. I also noticed a marker for "Do" that was in the "Get around" section.
The Western Oslo district article has no "Understand" section and is rated at usable; the Inner North, North, Inner East, and South district articles are all rated at usable status. So can we consider the huge city article to be at guide status if all the district articles underneath it are rated at usable status? While I think a lot of these district articles could be promoted to guide status, not all of them could.
On the other hand, however, none of these district articles are terrible, and the huge city article has quite a lot of information. So I think some work should go into the lower-level articles, but the huge city article looks good. Next summer it would be nice to see this on the front page if we can get the above-listed work done by then. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 23:38, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • For cities it is not always clear how to sort items into Do, Drink and See. For instance Rockefeller (a major concert venue) I would list under Do, now it is listed as Drink. Erik den yngre (talk) 11:31, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment — Oslo is a fairly important center for winter sports (especially as a spectator sport), so we can very well run it during the winter too (and then of course the cold weather is part of the experience). I'm afraid this is going to sit around until summer 2020, though, as the summer of 2019 is fully booked; matter of fact if Kaunas is moved up to the DotM page, I think or some other DotM from Europe is likewise going to be left sitting around until 2020 :/ .
When it comes to city districts, they only need to be usable (but all of them do have to be usable) for the main city article to be guide. Think of it this way, city articles are divided into districts when/because they are so stuffed with listings that they become unwieldy. This by definition means that the city article has enough listings for guide status and the Main Page, the listings have only been distributed around several district articles for easier reading and usage.
All in all, I remember the Oslo article was in a pretty good shape when districtifying it almost exactly two years ago, though the article and the listings in the districts could benefit from an update closer to the time when we run it on the Main Page. --ϒpsilon (talk) 13:21, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Ypsilon, this is very helpful. I have a couple questions, though:
  1. What about May? Is that open?
  2. Why does it have to wait 2 years? We don’t have 24 DOTM nominations. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 14:53, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
We can only fit so many articles in the summer slots and most places in Europe, USA and Canada are best featured from May-Sep. These are the parts of the world we cover best by far (probably because most of the en-WV community comes from these parts of the world) and therefore the summer tends to be "sold out" more or less one year ahead. Right now we have quite many European DotM candidates (somewhat comparable to the situation of American OtBP candidates) and to keep the Main Page varied, we really don't want to have European DotMs for, say, four months straight in the schedule. Then comes the autumn and except for nominees from the Mediterranean (or for the US, from places like Florida, Hawaii or California) or places that are suitable for a winter visit, the next time European, US and Canadian articles can be featured weather-wise is late next spring. ϒpsilon (talk) 16:51, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Well I plan to nominate York for a November or a December slot. It's not ready yet, though.
I see no problem with a winter slot for Oslo, but haven't looked at the article yet.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 17:41, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]


Place: Karakol
Blurb: At the foot of the Tian Shan Mountains in Kyrgyzstan is the unexpected setting where you'll find this relic of Imperial Russia — onion-domed churches, brightly-painted wooden houses and all. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Jun-Aug per w:Karakol#Climate
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 19:47, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
Comment: Here's something unusual, a fairly comprehensive Central Asian article, thanks to the work of Ceever and others. Some sections might look a bit short, but as this is a smaller city in a low-income country I would imagine most places to Eat, Drink and Buy are rather basic and similar to each other.[reply]

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  • Support as nominator. Ypsilon (talk) 19:47, 6 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Actually Karakol is the most touristy destination in Kyrgyzstan after Bishkek. So, I don't know whether "off-the-beaten-track" really fits. But if you tell me, where additional work could help, I can plunge forward. Cheers Ceever (talk) 15:56, 20 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
How much tourism is there to that region, though? --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 15:58, 20 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Quite. The whole of Kyrgyzstan is off-the-beaten-track for most tourists.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 17:34, 20 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support. The article is good overall and contains plenty of detail in some sections. However, this detail needs to be more evenly spread across the article. As it is, it's not. Therefore, work would be appreciated, but I think it's just about good enough to feature. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 15:53, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 23:44, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Rail travel in the Netherlands[edit]

Place: Rail travel in the Netherlands
Blurb: The efficient Dutch rail network sets the standard for the future of rail travel, with (among other innovations) a completely paperless ticketing system — and it's a superlative choice for getting around the country. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any time but December, preferably around September 20th, 2019 (180th anniversary).
Edit: I understand that September 2019 may cause problems. Other dates of importance in the upcoming five years are:

  • December 2018; Sprinter Nieuwe Generatie put in service (same issue; too soon).
  • Early 2021; Intercity Nieuwe Generatie put in service.
  • In general, September is my preferred month for featuring since the anniversary of the Dutch railway network is in that month. March of 2022 is also fine by me (182½ year anniversary).
  • August 2021; 25 years since the first concession of the Dutch railways.

I am well aware that the feature date doesn't need to have a reason behind it, but I recon it might as well. Don't limit yourself to the dates above, but rather consider them.
Nominated by: Wauteurz (talk) 14:22, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
Comment: The article may need some touching up here and there as most information in the article has come from me, but content-wise I believe that nothing is missing and the article is therefore a good candidate for FTT.[reply]

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I should say, though, this is an exceptionally good article and I support its eventually being run as a feature. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:18, 21 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think there is a problem to run Rail travel in Germany perhaps already in August 2018, especially as RtiG is a topic and not a place. In that way this could be featured in September 2019 as desired, "only" 20 months from now. ϒpsilon (talk) 18:12, 22 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support — I've noticed you working on this one over the last several months and it's looking very informative. At least at a quick glance I can't really find anything wrong with it. ϒpsilon (talk) 18:17, 22 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Minor language and possible "nerding out" issues (for which I am the wrong person to judge them) aside, there is nothing to preclude my support for this feature and thanks to Wauteurz for some amazing work. As the user who nominated rail travel in Germany, I would have no qualms moving it around if this article could then be featured on a date that fits better. Just please don't feature either in December, as that is the European schedule change. Hobbitschuster (talk) 22:52, 25 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Support, some essential details need finetuning - the article is thoroughly written but some of the more practical information is not entirely spot on, i.e. information about gates is too general, there is no information present about the surcharge for tickets purchased at the counter, no correct information present about the cost if you check in and check out after a certain time at the same station, information about opening train doors and onboard announcements is very specific to some of the rolling stock but wrong for others. In general, quite a large part of the article is written towards railway enthousiasts with a lot of technical details, but less towards the average tourist who travels on the train for the first time in the Netherlands. --WallyTheWalrus (talk) 23:42, 1 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, although there are some issues with red links. Selfie City (talk) 04:26, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Can you elaborate on 'issues with redlinks' so that I can fix it? I am aware that I've left a few (somewhere around ten) redlinks in the article, and I would assume the issue is them being linked to in the first place?
-- Wauteurz (talk) 15:29, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Rail_travel_in_the_Netherlands#Expansion_and_boom is one example, but there are several parts of the article that seem to abound in red links. Also, I'm not crazy about red-colored listings. Selfie City (talk) 22:44, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Soon 1.5 years since the article was nominated and it will not appear on the Main Page before at the very earliest spring 2020. Now when there are enough nominees to take us through the next winter, I've been starting thinking about suitable spring and summer articles and one good candidate would be E11 hiking trail, of which a part goes through the Netherlands. If the rail article is going to wait until September 2020 (the nominator said September would be the "preferred month"), let alone until 2021 or 2022 (in which case we should probably store it away like London/Hampstead or Along the Magnificent Mile) I think I'll nominate E11, otherwise not. Ypsilon (talk) 05:46, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
On the draft schedule I keep on my thumb drive at home, I have this article in the August 2020 slot. I'm uncomfortable holding it off longer than that without any good reason. Ypsilon, I don't see any reason why you shouldn't nominate E11 for a 2020 feature, especially if only part of it is in the Netherlands. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 13:31, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • E11 has been slushed, so where will this article stand now? --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 13:24, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Nuvola apps 2 cookie.png Happy Birthday, nomination! It's not very often an article gets to spend two years on the nominations page and still having several months until its featured – I think this might even be a new record! Congrats!
Seriously, though, the article should be checked through a month or so before it goes on the Main Page, because there's a good chance that parts of it aren't up to date any longer. --Ypsilon (talk) 20:37, 24 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

May 2020[edit]


Place: Hamburg
Blurb: With a long and rich history as a Medieval port of trade, Germany's second city is truly "The Gateway to the World" — and it's also your gateway to world-class architecture, lively nightlife, and high culture. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: May-Sep probably, though Apr or Nov for the Hamburger Dom fair could also be an option
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 19:30, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
Comment: I think we still have an open DotM slot for the five warmest months in the temperate Northern Hemisphere of 2020. Me and User:PrinceGloria districtified and worked extensively on the article four and a half years ago, though since then there has always been something from Germany already waiting on the nominations page. As of lately I've brought over and translated listings from the German version and otherwise fine-tuned the article, and I'd say it's in a pretty good shape (as are the districts).[reply]

  • Support as nominator. --Ypsilon (talk) 19:30, 12 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, it's a great year-round destination. I agree the pages are in good shape, tho quite a lot of listings are dated March 2015: these need an update, as five years is a long time in a city like this. Grahamsands (talk) 20:08, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. This is an excellent, detailed article of DOTM quality. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 11:24, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - looks great, want to go.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 00:09, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]


Place: Nagykanizsa
Blurb: An important regional crossroads, this Hungarian town near Lake Balaton was once the domain of a Medieval prince — but the lovely architecture in the town center is of newer vintage. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: May-Sep
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 18:53, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
Comment: City-busz has over the last year or so improved many articles in Hungary, and as we still haven't featured that many articles from Central Europe outside Germany and Switzerland, it really is good to have some Hungarian ones to choose from. Here's one of the articles that has not only reached guide status but also has a balanced number of listings in all sections. The only thing that has to be done before the article goes on the Main Page is some copyediting. Listings in the Drink section don't seem to have much of descriptions, though perhaps there are not much differences between individual cafés and on the other hand pubs in a small town like this?[reply]

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  • Almost – as said, copyediting is needed, but otherwise this is a good article. Ypsilon (talk) 18:53, 11 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. There is room for some small improvements and maybe some better photos. A couple of small points: what is "semimonthly" in get around by bus - 14 days or whatever would be better, connect says that the area code is 93 but many listings have other codes. AlasdairW (talk) 22:09, 11 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Close. It's not there yet, but it's still a good article. User:City-busz is one of our best contributors and his work has been greatly helpful in western Hungary. This article, with a few fairly minor improvements and reviews by a couple other contributors, should be appropriate for a feature. It definitely shouldn't be slushed at this time. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 13:32, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I just finished making up the OtBP banners for this article (don't forget to vote for your favorites!) and I couldn't help but notice there are still a few POIs without any descriptions, or whose descriptions only mention the year it was built. This needs to be rectified before Nagykanizsa goes on the Main Page. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 03:53, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Tour cycling[edit]

Place: Tour cycling
Blurb: Getting around by bike allows you to experience your surroundings from a completely different perspective. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any, but maybe best during Northern Hemisphere spring or early summer when folks (in temperate areas, where I think most readers are from) take their bikes out of winter storage
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 18:20, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
Comment: The article looked good as a usable, others didn't find much to complain about at the article's talk page, so here's our first bicycle-themed featured article candidate![reply]

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  • Support as nominator. --Ypsilon (talk) 18:20, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: There is quite a lot of jargon in the article. I think we should not try to compete with cyclists' forums, but direct this also at folks who are used to cycling on the bike they happened to buy or got from a friend, with no thoughts about what parts it contains, people who might go for a biking vacation of a week or a few in their home region. Somebody wanting to go for the Karakoram Highway or America tip-to-tip should get advice mainly from elsewhere. Sure, we should mention those, but the more technical sections should have short intros about the essential, and terms should be explained. --LPfi (talk) 07:27, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not yet I don't have much experience of this, but I think that some more work is required. I agree with the points raised by LPfi. The page banner shows the wrong type of cycling - it is showing a club day out or race. Sleep needs to be expanded, and we should say something about trips with children - I often meet families doing week long trips with teenagers. AlasdairW (talk) 15:05, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
After having a quick look on Commons for alternative banner images, I am beginning to wonder if "Tour Cycling" is the best title for the article. There are several major cycling races which have "Tour" in the title, the best known being the "Tour de France", and a search for "tour cycling" on commons turned up photos of this kind of event. AlasdairW (talk) 22:23, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I must say I can't see what harm that extra information does in the article. Somebody just planning to go on a few days' trip in their home region can disregard those parts. And we'd like to really just concentrate on people making short bike trips, I'm afraid it'd be a very short article or we'd mostly have to fill it with advice from Captain Obvious. Ypsilon (talk) 13:48, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I think timing is running out to improve this article before it is due to be featured. Since it was nominated, the only edit has been replacing the page banner. AlasdairW (talk) 22:03, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Rereading the article I think it is quite fine as is. --LPfi (talk) 22:29, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

April 2020[edit]


Place: Tangier
Blurb: With a long and colorful history and a strategic location where the Mediterranean meets the open ocean, this unequivocally Maghrebi city has long served as an introduction to Africa for travellers. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Almost anytime, but spring or fall would be optimal
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 17:02, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
Comment: A few years ago a visit to the city inspired me to write up the article to guide status. For some reason I didn't quite finish the See section, but that's been taken care of now. Everything necessary should be in the article, but it might need an update closer to the time it's featured.[reply]

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Place: Thimphu
Blurb: Bhutan's pint-sized capital is a good introduction and gateway to the "World's Last Shangri-La". (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Thimphu#Climate says Mar-May, Sep-Oct
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 18:30, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
Comment: Another corner of the world that isn't featured on the Main Page that often. The capital of one of Asia's more OtBP countries was promoted to guide status last year and almost all listings did get coordinates back then (I just added the missing ones) so the article should be up to date. It's a quite small city, so I think the article already covers most of what a visitor needs to know, of course at it's a guide article, it should.[reply]

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  • Support Ypsilon (talk) 18:30, 16 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as DotM. Bhutan is a small country, but IMO not small enough to justify its capital being OtBP. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 00:12, 21 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I think Bhutan is one of those countries that are entirely off the beaten path. The number of visitors to the country is low, and the Bhutanese government deliberately keeps it that way (they even used to have a maximum quota for foreign visitors). Except for Indians, Bangladeshis and Maledivians, tourists can't travel to Bhutan just like that. Like (probably) only in North Korea, independent travel isn't allowed and visitors need to book a tour with a Bhutanese tour company for their whole stay in the country. The number of visitors in 2018 was 270,000 but only 70,000 were not "regional" (from nearby parts of India?) — compare that to Nepal's ~1 million visitors where almost 3 out of 4 came from further away than India and China. --Ypsilon (talk) 16:32, 21 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, looks good to me. I'd say go with OtBP. Bhutan is very much an off-the-beaten-path country, and the capital is not very big. —Granger (talk · contribs) 15:56, 21 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment This is in no way to oppose the nomination, but I did not add the coordinates based upon local knowledge, so I cannot always be 100% sure coordinates are in the right place. Just keep that in mind when you consider the article. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 20:48, 21 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as DotM It's a good article, but I don't think regulated tourism means it must be otbp. If Pyongyang mentioned above were good enough to nominate, it would certainly be DotM. There is no indication that tourists are not interested in visiting Bhutan, and having to instate limits suggests that the interest exceeds the number allowed to enter. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 06:25, 21 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    I would say Pyongyang should certainly be otbp, if it were nominated. It gets few international tourists and is an adventurous, unusual destination, not a major tourist spot. For international travelers, it is "off the beaten path" by any reasonable standard, more clearly than Thimphu I'd say. —Granger (talk · contribs) 12:56, 21 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It has more people than Madrid, Nairobi, and Buenos Aires and is well-known worldwide as a national capital (and of course makes the news fairly often for political reasons). It's also a dream destination for many people, even if they don't actually visit. I don't think travel stats alone should determine DotM/OtBP and indeed we've have some low-travel DotMs. With a few exceptions though, I think capital cities are usually deserving of DotM. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 11:20, 22 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I think that it could be either DOTM or OTBP - if we need to decide, it should be based on English speaking non-local visitor numbers. A measure of this is English language guide books to the city - are there many books on just Thimphu? I did not understand "Some clubs allow stag entry as well." in Drink - Alchohol - is this stag parties? AlasdairW (talk) 22:00, 22 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Along the Magnificent Mile[edit]

Place: Along the Magnificent Mile
Blurb: Let us take you on a tour through the heart of Chicago! (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Star (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Apr-Oct (from Bronzeville's nomination)
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 18:32, 1 October 2017 (UTC) and renominated by AndreCarrotflower (talk) 02:52, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
Comment: In 2020 it will be time again for our biannual visit to Chicago. I figured it would be good to dust off this Star-level itinerary that ϒpsilon had nominated a couple years ago, but was slushed to avoid being featured too close to Chicago/Bronzeville, then an OtBP candidate. Since the article hasn't been substantially edited in the intervening period, I also don't see any need to disregard the votes in the earlier nomination, though if Ypsi or Ikan would like to change their minds about the worthiness of the feature, they're of course welcome to do so.[reply]

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  • Support --ϒpsilon (talk) 18:32, 1 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. One question: With the exception of illumination and perhaps drinks at night, couldn't the itinerary be done in reverse? Should that be noted in the article? Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:15, 1 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, though if we're going to take a candidate that by next summer will have waited over a year to be featured and make it wait two more years in favor of a different nominee from the same city that's not of significantly higher quality, I'd prefer it to be for more compelling reasons than the above. Especially since we do still have an open OtBP slot next summer for the likes of Apia. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 22:46, 2 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
OK, so then it's probably best to impound this one in the Slush pile like we did with London Hampstead once. ϒpsilon (talk) 10:16, 3 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - a little before we run this, we should check that everything is still open. Also there are some prices in the article so they too need to be updated. Ypsilon (talk) 07:29, 12 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support because it is a star article. Will put the page on my watchlist in case star status is removed. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 19:36, 12 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Almost I was in Chicago 2 years ago and visited most of the sights, but I didn't follow the route turn by turn, as I had other commitments. I think that the route would work fine in reverse, with the exception of splashing in the fountains in Millennium Park, which is more something for the end of a walk. The article hasn't had any major updates for 10 years, and might be starting to show it's age - telling the reader to print out the district articles, and the sights are not markers or listings. The map is also 10 years old, and without any markers or geo there is no opportunity to see a dynamic map instead. AlasdairW (talk) 23:03, 12 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
If this article is not good enough for FTT, its star status needs to be reconsidered. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 23:08, 12 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I think the map is great and definitely wouldn't be improved by using a dynamic map! I also think the bolding makes it easy to read the itinerary, so that listings aren't really necessary. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:13, 13 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

March 2020[edit]

Ouro Preto[edit]

Place: Ouro Preto
Blurb: Seemingly frozen in time with its meticulously preserved colonial-era buildings, this historic old mining town is little known outside Brazil's borders, yet figures among its most popular getaway destinations. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Mar-Oct
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 19:05, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
Comment: Here's a nice counterweight to the heavy presence of Asian destinations on the schedule for the upcoming autumn and winter.[reply]

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  • Close. The article has a nice long "Understand" section and is replete with informative listings with explanatory blurbs, so the vast majority of what needs to be here is here. What's left is relatively simple: geo coordinates, some tinkering with addresses in blurbs (you see lots of ones like "Rua Brigadeiro Musqueira, no number", in which case there's no need to note the lack of a number; just giving the street name is sufficient), "Get in" and "Get around" should be padded out and/or reformatted a little bit (especially in the former section; bullet-point lists are not the way to go about it); brief section ledes should be added to tie the information together a bit.
  • Question. Given the blurb ("little known outside Brazil's borders"), why did you choose to nominate this for Dotm, rather than Otbp? This is the English Wikivoyage after all, and so Ouro Preto is outside most of of our target readership's radar.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 16:54, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I was just about to ask the same. Ypsilon (talk) 16:56, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Several reasons. One, I don't know that we ought to be circumscribing our "target audience" to native English speakers only. Many of the other language versions of Wikivoyage, including Portuguese, are very poorly developed, so it stands to reason that many speakers of other languages default to en: regardless because of the superiority of our coverage. The makeup of our roster of regular editors, among whom non-native English speakers are a large minority if not a majority, bears that out.
Two: even if we do assume a target audience of native English speakers, the fact remains that just because a place is off the path that's been beaten by said target audience doesn't mean it's off all beaten paths. Ouro Preto is one of the most popular domestic destinations among Brazilians themselves, and readers who are in search of the type of travel experience that would lead them to click on a feature titled "Off the Beaten Path" likely don't want to deal with the crowds and hassle of a major tourist town, regardless of whether those crowds are comprised of domestic or overseas tourists.
The third reason is a purely practical one: we're fully stocked with OtBPs through May 2020, but we still have a winter 2019-20 DotM slot open. (Before anyone says anything about York, let me say that despite ThunderingTyphoons' comments on its nomination, I'm a firm believer that November through March should be reserved fairly strictly for tropical and antipodean locales along with the odd ski resort or other winter destination. A large majority of our feature-ready articles are in the temperate latitudes of the Northern Hemisphere, and I think restricting those destinations to within the parameters of April through October is an important way to ensure geographic diversity among our Main Page features.)
-- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 18:41, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The reasons you give for Dotm are sound enough.
York can be featured any time of the year, so I'm not worried about that, but I have always been a bit puzzled by the rationale for the timing of features. Most people, upon reading about a featured destination, are not going to be immediately travelling there later the same month or a few weeks after it being featured, because most people don't have the money or time flexibility to do so. In most cases, where a featured destination causes someone to want to organise a trip to that place, there is going to be at least a three-month delay, and often that delay is going to be considerably longer: six months to a year. With that in mind, wouldn't it make more sense to feature northern destinations in northern winter in time for trips to be prepared for the following spring and summer? Equally, featuring southern/tropical destinations in northern summer would allow time for trips to be made in the southern summer.
The only rationale I can see for the current set-up is that featuring a bunch of warm-weather destinations during the northern winter makes people dream of planning their escape to somewhere sunny.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 20:03, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Addendum) But since we're not in the business of selling holidays, that rationale is shaky.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 17:33, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

An interesting idea. Though a fashion week-like setup, where the destination would be showed, say, 6-10 months before commonly going there would actually sound more like "next summer's holidays on early bird sale now", than our current practice. Ypsilon (talk) 18:47, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Needs some work – in addition to what Andre pointed out, I'd say at least Eat and Drink could use some more listings, luckily there seem to be some places in the Portuguese article that aren't listed here. --Ypsilon (talk) 14:57, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I've now fixed much of it, and actually IMO the bus services could be presented in bullet form. Support. --Ypsilon (talk) 21:54, 18 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Great Basin National Park[edit]

Place: Great Basin National Park
Blurb: Belying its name, this mountainous national park includes juniper forests, caves, a gorge, and the great Wheeler Peak, one of Nevada's highest. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Apr-Oct; particularly Apr-Jun or September
Nominated by: Selfie City (talk)
Comment: I think it could do with a little work that I can mostly likely do in expanding some sections, but at the same time not a lot more can be said. What's existing in the article is what is there, so I think in general this article is pretty complete and would definitely be appropriate for OtBP. I was originally going to do somewhere else but I think this one will work well, actually.

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  • Support as nominator. Selfie City (talk) 02:03, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Due to how many OtBP candidates are already waiting in the wings (and how many of those are U.S. destinations), there'll be no room for this one on the Main Page till 2020 at the earliest. Let's hold off on any additional OtBP nominees for awhile. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 02:35, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, sure. Selfie City (talk) 14:02, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Very close – some listings need coordinates and some of Understand's subsections could perhaps be expanded. --ϒpsilon (talk) 09:29, 5 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

French phrasebook[edit]

Place: French phrasebook
Blurb: Parlez-vous français? Nearly 300 million people do, on every inhabited continent on the globe, making it one of the most useful languages for the international traveller to know. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any, but no earlier than January 2020 (1 year after Indonesian phrasebook's Main Page stint)
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 21:37, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
Comment: It's been a while since we've featured a phrasebook article for a language with an extensive international reach. Let's remedy that.[reply]

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  • Not yet but very close, and I can easily take care of the needed work myself if there are no other takers. Namely, a few pseudo-pronunciations are missing, and after looking over the ones that do exist, I don't know about their accuracy overall. A few more pictures would be nice too. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 21:37, 21 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Almost, some phrases in French_phrasebook#Bars (perhaps elsewhere in the article too) still need pronunciation. And much more photos, as our featured phrasebooks usually have a photo for at least every second screen to make them look less black and white, but these should be easy to add. --Ypsilon (talk) 10:20, 1 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I concur with you two that not quite is the current outlook. It might help if someone who doesn't speak French would volunteer to read through and make sure that it all makes sense, particularly the early parts before the phrases.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 16:57, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    As someone who doesn't speak French but is familiar with the Romance languages and knows some linguistics, I went though the beginning of the article (up to the beginning of the phrase list). I made a few corrections but otherwise it looks good. However, the phrase list has no "Lodging" section. Shouldn't it have one, looking something like this? —Granger (talk · contribs) 02:34, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, although I have to wonder why we don't use 'Sleep' there, rather than 'Lodging'.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 06:30, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • To add my vote: not yet, and maybe not at all. As I noted above, the article doesn't cover phrases for lodging, which is a major omission. Do we have anyone fluent enough in French to write a section about that? —Granger (talk · contribs) 00:43, 21 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
ThunderingTyphoons and myself both are, and Nicolas1981 is a native speaker, though he doesn't come by nearly as often as he used to. Between the two (three?) of us, I'm sure we can handle it. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 03:28, 21 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Lodging is part of the Wikivoyage:Phrasebook article template so it definitely needs to be added, otherwise the article can't even have guide status. French is understood by many here (even myself, a little bit) so it shouldn't be a problem, though. --Ypsilon (talk) 06:29, 21 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Just to confirm that I'm willing to help out, and have already been improving the article since its nomination (as has Ypsilon).--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 08:07, 21 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I have now added a Lodging section, copied from the Russian phrasebook. The pseudo-phonetic pronunciations are not my forté, but I did my best.--ThunderingTyphoons! (